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Maggiemay
26-03-2009, 01:38
Neptune is yet another planet that gives me grief when it's time to comprehend the impact of its aspects.

As was discussed in another thread, being able to make the most of any hard aspects is key.

A friend of mine ( actually I could think of 3 friends) happen to have a square aspect of (Neptune on her moon & sun). The other two friends respectively have (neptune square sun + moon) & (Neptune square sun+saturn+mercury + venus...ouch!)

From what I understand, this hard aspect from Neptune will tend to give a inferiority complex to whomever has it in their chart.

The inferiority complex would, supposedly, stem from a sense of abandonment of some sort. Yet my friends have not been abandonned by their parents, at least not in a physical sense...perhaps however in an emotional kind of way.

What are your perceptions of neptune's hard aspect?

Maggie :)

Ps: For myself, I have my 9th house's Neptune square my pisces ascendant. I have never been able to quite grasp the meaning of it. Is there something nebulous about the way I come across to others? Something unreal or untrue? Something deceitful? Perhaps... (Thank God, I also have a tight sextile from sun/jupiter to my ascendant! lol)

Cactus
27-03-2009, 09:27
Hi!! I'm glad someone else is interested in Neptune. I've got Nep opposite my Sun (however it is trine my Moon).

I know sometimes a square and opposite, depending on planets involved, can be a tad similar in effect. I'm not sure if a Nep opp. Sun would give similar tendencies as Nep. square Sun.

But anyway, I can say that I have a slight inferiority complex. I think it stems with definite abandonment issues suffered during grammar school. It definitely was not my family. In grammar school, for many years the kids just didn't like me. A few outright made fun of me and over the years others decided to either join them or just to ignore me.

I spent lunches alone, nobody talked to me, nobody picked me in gym class, no boys danced with me at dances...it was really terrible!

But I'm better now! :) I better be - I'm 40 years old! Now that I'm older and have been into astrology, I understand so much more about myself and why things happened. I think you're right in that it is the way we act that affects others. Now I hate to think that I caused these kids to hate me because there are things in others as well (it takes two!) that affect feelings about a person.

I have realized that those kids might have been put off by - like you said, NEBULOUS or unreal aspects they got from me. Perhaps I was too spacey and in my own world for them. I think they were put off because I knew things about them or stared at them as if I were drawing information from them. Now I did not know then that I was doing that. Looking back I realize that's what was happening (cause I'm examining how I relate to people now and I caught myself doing that.) and they were probably a bit freaked out and decided I was weird. They might have felt uncomfortable around me and decided to take back their power by making me feel small and themselves feel big.

I try not to over-analyze this. But as you can see, I really relate to your questions about Neptune. I think it plays a huge role in the way we come across to others. Even when we don't mean to be deceitful, I think sometimes people PERCEIVE it as deceitful - or secretive. I always was VERY private and so I think I acted secretive when I actually had nothing "secret" to hide - it was just how I was. Those kids may have interpreted my staring at them (because I was just daydreamy and wouldn't realize I was staring and thinking) as being intrusive! I never would think of myself as intrusive! But now that I understand better, I can see how kids could come to that conclusion.

Is this making sense? :)

That Neptune is a bugger. It is one of the most aspected planets in my chart, so I have a LOT of Neptune (and 12th house stuff )going on, as well as Moon in Pisces. I have to watch myself with other people. I constantly have my perception of people clouded and nebulous because of Neptune and really have to work hard to clear out the cobwebs of what I would LIKE reality to be with what is actually true information coming to me. For instance, I have to stop assuming that ALL people I meet are good just because I want everything to be peachy with no ill will or awkward confrontations. Instead I have to just let my intuition tell me about people and if they are truly nice or if they have some negative vibes coming from them.

So to answer your question, I think I agree with you on your interpretation of Neptune's hard aspects.

Maggiemay
27-03-2009, 11:53
Hi Cactus,

From what I read, the sun opp Neptune, tends to suggest a strong tendency towards idealism. It might be that your aspirations are soooo high that you end up being discouraged when you don't live up to it... Hence, the little 'inferiority'' feelings.

In the square aspects though, I reckon there seems to be more of an ongoing battle of 'real versus unreal'... No respite there.

Your post is making a whole lot of sense to me... Remember, I'm pisces ascendant with a neptune square!

Best wishes,

Maggie :)

Cactus
28-03-2009, 10:09
Hi Cactus,

From what I read, the sun opp Neptune, tends to suggest a strong tendency towards idealism. It might be that your aspirations are soooo high that you end up being discouraged when you don't live up to it... Hence, the little 'inferiority'' feelings.


Now why did it take me several long paragraphs when all I needed to say was what you said above? :) That's exactly what I meant - my aspirations are very high - I want to see the absolute best in everyone and everything. Not that I like everyone I meet, but...

But that's exactly why it seems that I get the wool pulled over my eyes - because I've projected the best qualities onto people who don't deserve them and when they act "out of character" according to MY ideals, it seems they are treating me strangely and then I feel very disappointed with people. I'm trying to get out of that habit!

Maggiemay
28-03-2009, 10:33
I'm trying to get out of that habit!

You are a total crack up! :)

I saw this mini-documentary on TV last night about 2-3 couples who went on vacation together to Mexico.

One of their planned activity was to sail on one of those huge boats during one afternoon.

Anyways...to make a long story short, the boat turned over and they all ended up in the water. On top of that, It was a very windy day and the sea was extremely restless. (they later found out they had been the only boat out on the sea in that region...because of the bad weather) - And that's the GOOD news...

The BAD news being that the waves hit them and pulled them downward in the waters. The waves kept coming at intervals of 5 minutes each from all sides. That lasted for an hour and half..

They truly believed they were going to die... (had started telling each others how they loved one another...how they had had a good run in this life...ect...)

Anyways, thank G-d, a tourist on the beach saw them with his binoculars! (It would have been impossible to otherwise b/c of the waves)

So at the end, they did survive...and then they went on TV to talk about it.

To me, that story illustrates a little bit what a neptune square on the luminaries feels like.... (another example perhaps being the Tsunami.)

Best wishes,

Maggie :)

SpaceCadet
04-04-2009, 10:27
Oh I love Neptune. I relate well, as my sun is exactly trine my Neptune. Harmonious aspects should bring out the more positive traits so harsh aspects would highlight the darker side of Neptune. So that makes sense they would be prone to heavy states depression. Maybe harsh aspects would give a feeling of separateness? Scary and complicated planet but I love it!

franniee
04-04-2009, 10:36
I have neptune in opposition of my ascendant - conjoined my desc.... in my 6th house...... I can't take any meds - I get adverse reactions to them all! Narcotics make me hyper and my heart races! Any and all of them!

I pick up strays..... or as my friend says I am a freak magnet! It is true! I get overburdoed by people;s problems and that is tough on me! I am highly empathic and it kills me at times! I have to find a distance but sometimes it is hard for me to manage.

I love writing and art and music! I am visual. I am also highly logical but that is a very different section of my chart. :D

Anyway I can be fooled by people.... I can see them for who they are but I give them a chance and I get messed up!!! As I have aged I have gotten better at figuring things out. :)

Maggiemay
04-04-2009, 10:49
It's interesting you should mention your affection for Neptune. The fact that your sun is in trine with neptune must be ''out of this world''!! lol
There will be something ' magical' about your spouse.

As far as the squares are concerned...well you said it! Rough aspect right there.

Neptune could be sooo deceptive though. Eg: Here is a link of a close up of neptune. Would you ever be able to tell that this 'peaceful' looking planet has the most VIOLENT storms of all the planets?

http://jmm45.free.fr/planetes/neptune/pia00058.jpg

Maggie :)

ps: If it was up to me, I would live in space...with the stars..

Maggiemay
04-04-2009, 10:51
Hey franniee,

Just wondering : do you have psychic abilities?

Maggie :)

franniee
04-04-2009, 11:11
Hey franniee,

Just wondering : do you have psychic abilities?

Maggie :)

:laugh: LOL uh .... yup! :D I am also highly empathic to the point where I will got sucked into a person's emotions! Not fun!

But I always attributed my "sucked in" factor to my conjunction of my moon, merc and mars.... but I guess it really is neptune.... - it is within 2 degrees of my desc! So it is a true conjunction.....

Cactus
04-04-2009, 23:57
Hey franniee,

Just wondering : do you have psychic abilities?

Maggie :)

Do you think that Neptune has something to do with psychic abilities? I do and I've read many articles stating as such. I'm not sure what aspects of Neptune would give the most powerful abilities or if it is measured by how many planets are aspected by Neptune. If that makes sense!

My chart has Neptune aspected by almost every planet. My abilities are a bit of each clair and definitely extremely empathic (like Franniee). It seems that I'm getting more clairvoyant, however. How much of all this Neptune has to do with, I'm not sure. I've only read articles.

Maggiemay
05-04-2009, 00:31
Do you think that Neptune has something to do with psychic abilities?

Well, most of my readings support the idea that Neptune is related to psychic abilities ( b/c Neptune is a 'high' vibration type of energy and dissolves borders).

I am sooo intrigued by this, that I actually, looked at charts of known Mediums and psychic to see what is going on... I could not tell you that I saw a pattern as such.

James Van Praagh for instance has nice Neptune aspects and his Neptune is in Scorpio...but then again, I can't tell if he really is a psychic or just a con-artist. I mean, I have no way of telling...

That being said, these are the aspects that would make (me) think of mediumnistic abilities :

- Sun or Moon or Mercury in pisces
- Strong Neptune aspects
- Pisces in the 3rd house ( communication)
- Neptune in the 3rd house
- Neptune in the 12th house (?)
- Mercury in strong aspect with Neptune...
- Key aspects on the luminaries or mercury with Uranus and Neptune...

I wish I just knew...

Maggie :)

franniee
05-04-2009, 01:28
It's not just aspects and placement of neptune Merc and the moon aspects also infer psychic abilities.

Cactus
07-04-2009, 10:17
Yes, Franniee, you're right - and both of you mentioned Merc.

I remember reading that though Mercury in Pisces is in it's detriment? or fall? I forget...anyway, that it makes for mediumistic tendencies. I'd say probably because the way you communicate or receive information (Merc) is in a Pisces/Neptunian way (open, receptive, calm, spiritual moreso than grounded and physical...)

My husband's Merc is in Pisces and although he can't say he's a medium, he has admitted that he senses spirits. But he's very modest about it and also he is not as intrigued with astrology and psychic aspects as I am!

My Moon is in Pisces and my Mercury is in Gemini and I've been told that that could make me psychic but overwhelmed by receiving too much psychic info. OR it could just make me good at communicating what psychic stuff I encounter! Because my chart is loaded with Gemini (Sun, Asc, Merc & Mars)!

My Neptune aspects and Moon aspects must be strong for me to even sense any psychic abilities in myself! :)

Maggiemay
07-04-2009, 10:35
I wouldn't be surprised if Mercury in pisces was both in fall & in detriment! lol

Edgar Cayce had pretty much everything in pisces and the Moon in Taurus ( if my memory is good) and apparently he was able to learn thru osmoses.

So for example, he would put a book (which ever book) under his pillow at night, and the next morning he knew the whole book...by osmoses.

The pisces energy is absolutely phenomenal, I find.

So, Cactus, are you going to put a book under your pillow tonight? LOL

Maggie :)

Minderwiz
07-04-2009, 19:11
Maggie put her finger on it with one of her comments on James Van Praagh, there's no way of knowing (for sure). There's lots of debate over psychic abilities and whether they exist and can be measured. Like many on the forum, I believe they do exist, indeed my wife gives me living proof of that, and to a limited extent I feell I have them too.

Within a natal (or other chart) there's no agreed signatures. Neptune would be an obvious candidate, given the psychological view of the planet but how it would identify as such is anybody's guess and fundamentally unprovable. There's also the mild issue of whether psychic abilities are genetic or learned, in which case the natal chart may be of limited, or no use.

We can dismiss Neptune's sign, as it is in each sign on average for around 15 years - we can't say that ALL the people born during that 15 years will be psychic and NO ONE will be born psychic for another 160 years.

Neptune's house placement would be something to consider but we would need to decide on which house reflected psychic abilities. The link with the twelfth is a very modern view, and is perhaps a reflection of attempts to give the twelfth a better image. The house of spirituality is the ninth, which is also the house of long distance communication and travel. It is the house of unusual or non-routine communication. So I'd favour that but, I repeat, there's no way of testing this.

Aspects to Neptune are the next possibility, I'd look at very tight conjunctions, or trines to Sun, Moon or Mercury, or possibly the Ascendant or MC.

However, all of that presumes that Neptune is involved somewhere, rather than Uranus (the unusual) or Jupiter (ruler of religions and spirituality), or, of course, the Sun and Moon.

Most Astrological explanations are constructed to suit a particular view of the psychic, and until we have an accepted recognition and definition of what 'psychic' is we will be left speculating.

Sophie
07-04-2009, 22:04
I tend to view Neptune as a fuzzy, confusing influence over a large group of people and over events, rather than an individual influence. I am a triple Pisces (Sun, Mercury, Saturn) - quadruple if you count Chiron - but consider the ruler of Pisces to be Jupiter. And indeed I am more of a Jupiterian person. My moon is in Sagittarius - another Jupiterian sign.

As for its supposed psychic influence - well, being confusing, I don't think Neptune would be very useful if you want to get clear messages! Clairvoyance and the other clairs (I practice 3 of them) need discipline and clarity, quiet and the ability to expand the mind beyond the limits of the immediate environment. For my money, Jupiter fulfills that role admirably; and the 9th house sounds about right too, although I might choose the 12th house when picking up psychic information about hidden enemies. It could also be the house where delusions about psychic matters are shown (paranoia, etc.).

Another important element in looking for influences is to see what the ruler of your Ascendant is up to, since that shows how you articulate yourself in the world, including any psychic abilities you might use. I have Gemini rising - its ruler is Mercury...and my Mercury is in Pisces. It is NOT comfortable there (in detriment and fall), but it is given the ability to communicate beyond the visible world. Although its placement in the 11th house means it can get pretty crowded in my head :D

Maggiemay
07-04-2009, 22:33
Well, I don't know what to think any more!! lol

I have Neptune in my 9th house (sagit.) coupled by a pisces asc. And the both of them squaring one another.

Now, as far as mediumship is concerned, I am clueless most of the time! I wouldn't even claim being remotely intuitive!

Why shouldn't we consider the 8th house for psychic aptitudes?

On the other hand, my mars in cancer gives premonitions and ''weird feelings'' when something is about to happen... but then again, apart from becoming nervous, I usually have no clue what's about to go down...

so, here is for my little story!! lol

Maggie :)

Sophie
07-04-2009, 22:36
What's your Jupiter up to? (ruler of your Ascendant)


8th house - maybe for communication with the dead? I wouldn't really see that house for psychic matters in general but this type of mediumship might fit.

Maggiemay
07-04-2009, 22:52
Good question!

My jupiter is in the 2nd house....in Taurus... ( now I understand why I am not intuitive for the life of me!)

Maggie :)

Maggiemay
08-04-2009, 05:55
Thank you Minderwiz for you post. As usual, it was very enlightening.

Maggie :)

Minderwiz
08-04-2009, 06:45
I also take Jupiter as the ruler of Pisces - indeed I always use traditional rulers and tend to treat the outer planets in the same way that I would treat the fixed stars. That is they have no personal significance unless they are in very close aspect to a personal planet.

As far as Western Astrology is concerned, I'm in a minority, but remember the majority of Astrologers in the world just don't use the outers.

Maggiemay
08-04-2009, 09:21
I also take Jupiter as the ruler of Pisces - indeed I always use traditional rulers and tend to treat the outer planets in the same way that I would treat the fixed stars. (...) As far as Western Astrology is concerned, I'm in a minority, but remember the majority of Astrologers in the world just don't use the outers.


but...but...There won't be any planets left after that!!

LOL Maggie :)

BigLuna
08-04-2009, 12:09
I can't get the quotes to work. What's the secret?

Regarding James Van Praagh: definitely charlatan.

Let's not forget that mixed in with all Neptune's beautiful qualities -- some of the best in the zodiac -- there is also deception.

Maggiemay
08-04-2009, 12:25
I can't get the quotes to work. What's the secret?

I don't know exactly where you're lost so,
I am assuming that you noticed that each post, on the botton right, as an option called : quote.
Once you click on that, its all a matter of using the brackets.
The sign for the beginning of a quote is ex: (QUOTE=BigLuna]
The sign for the end quote is: /QUOTE]

Usually, the bracket containing the name of the person you are quoting goes first whereas the end quote, goes at the end of the quote. (which goes without saying!)

Very important: don't forget the surrounding : [---]
I had to alter them on this post so I could show you.

After that, its all 'cut' & 'paste'

Regarding James Van Praagh: definitely charlatan. wouldn't be suprised...lol

Let's not forget that mixed in with all Neptune's beautiful qualities -- some of the best in the zodiac -- there is also deception.
Yeah, good reminder.
Neptune is treacherous.

Maggie:)

BigLuna
09-04-2009, 04:06
Thanks for the quote tip, Maggie. I thought that was what I was doing, but I kept getting quotes from somewhere else in the thread. I'll keep at it. It's extremely Neptunian to me. :)

Maggiemay
09-04-2009, 04:30
Thanks for the quote tip, Maggie. I thought that was what I was doing, but I kept getting quotes from somewhere else in the thread. I'll keep at it. It's extremely Neptunian to me. :)

No problem. You don't want to know how long it took 'yours truly' to figure out how the quotes work.lol....(raising eyebrows & shaking head & smirking)
But then again, I sometimes could be too conceited to ask for help which is obviously a problem you do not have! Cheers!

Maggie :)

Maggiemay
14-04-2009, 03:23
This post is for posterity :

I finally made up my mind, in my eyes anything to do with psychic abilities belongs to the realm of Uranus.

Maggie :)