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Pretty well known event. It might help to think more of a person. Ready, set, go!
celticnoodle
09-04-2009, 09:28
Pretty well known event. It might help to think more of a person. Ready, set, go!
Okay, let me give it a whirl. I love the games, but not very good with History Mystery! but at least I'll try. :) using my Gilded.
two cards turned over in the first position-
emperor rx, covered by the 10 swords rx, 9 swords rx, queen of wands rx
wow. all 4 of them are reversed. odd. the emperor rx gives me the feeling that this event had a male that was central to it. because he is rx I would think that he is someone who is losing or is out of control. now, because he is also covered by the 10 of swords rx, can it be that our emperor is/was a ruler and either a ruthless one himself who is literally out of control, or one who seems to have lost sight of what is good for the people he is suppose to rule. I see the 10 of swords rx a possible attack on the emperor rx or maybe him thrown from his rule. the 9 of swords rx shows that he possibly was cruel in his position, or it can indicate that he received cruel treatment which was the attack seen in the 10 of swords rx. the queen of wands rx can be the person who led/initiated the attack against the emperor--or received terrible treatment from him most herself. I cannot quite feel if she was more domineering then he and he a weakling, or if he was more domineering but really did her wrong big time! however, i lean towards her being more domineering. not to be trusted. out for herself.
i do feel like this has to do with royalty.
temperance, queen of swords, knight of cups rx
yes, well again a strong set of court cards here making feel definately that this is royalty event. the temperance card makes me think the queen or woman involved is trying to 'balance' things out, but yet, I still feel like she is tipping the scales more to in her own favor. :D the queen of swords is looking right at the temperance, which also shows a woman in it, and that woman is also looking at our queen of swords. This queen can be ruthless. she may be a stronger leader then the king--but at what cost? the knight of cups rx can be more royal people in this mix, and if so, I'd see him as the young man who may be helping the queen, but mainly because of their relationship. is he her son? at any rate, the knight rx doesn't truly think for himself, and is probably easily led--and so is by the queen.
If this is not about a queen, but perhaps another group--it's because someoen is wanting to be at the head role and overthrow the current ruler.
I'm not sure what the event is yet.
thanks for the game. :)
Heya!
Thanks for playing. Just a quick note to apologise for the delay. Your reading's very warm, but I'm really sorry I can't elaborate until tomorrow (huge deadline=all nighter for moi, lol). Definitely has something to do with royalty, though! ;)
celticnoodle
09-04-2009, 22:46
thank you, and I can wait till tomorrow. it'll give me more time to think of royal events that it may be! :)
Sorry for the delay; thanks for the patience!
Okay, let me give it a whirl. I love the games, but not very good with History Mystery! but at least I'll try. :) using my Gilded.
two cards turned over in the first position-
emperor rx, covered by the 10 swords rx, 9 swords rx, queen of wands rx
wow. all 4 of them are reversed. odd. the emperor rx gives me the feeling that this event had a male that was central to it. because he is rx I would think that he is someone who is losing or is out of control. now, because he is also covered by the 10 of swords rx, can it be that our emperor is/was a ruler and either a ruthless one himself who is literally out of control, or one who seems to have lost sight of what is good for the people he is suppose to rule.
When thinking of the event, male may not necessarily be the first gender to pop up in your head (ok, that sounds strange, lol). But in fact, males were very central to the event too. There was a male that was losing, and there was a lot of ruthlessness. As with politics, little was actually done truly for the good of the people.
Interesting! So much of what you say can be be interpreted to fit different players in the story!
I see the 10 of swords rx a possible attack on the emperor rx or maybe him thrown from his rule. the 9 of swords rx shows that he possibly was cruel in his position, or it can indicate that he received cruel treatment which was the attack seen in the 10 of swords rx.
There was a strong man who was cruel—perhaps not directly, but he definitely placed his interests above the rest. There was also a male "emperor" (though he wasn't really like one) who well, didn't exactly have the best life ever <-----though this is likely my personal bias, lol.
the queen of wands rx can be the person who led/initiated the attack against the emperor--or received terrible treatment from him most herself. I cannot quite feel if she was more domineering then he and he a weakling, or if he was more domineering but really did her wrong big time! however, i lean towards her being more domineering. not to be trusted. out for herself.
There was definitely a Queen of Wands; let's call her the absolute QoW since she definitely fit the criteria. However, there was also a relative QoW who was stronger compared to her husband.
i do feel like this has to do with royalty.
Yes!
temperance, queen of swords, knight of cups rx
yes, well again a strong set of court cards here making feel definately that this is royalty event. the temperance card makes me think the queen or woman involved is trying to 'balance' things out, but yet, I still feel like she is tipping the scales more to in her own favor. :D the queen of swords is looking right at the temperance, which also shows a woman in it, and that woman is also looking at our queen of swords. This queen can be ruthless. she may be a stronger leader then the king--but at what cost? the knight of cups rx can be more royal people in this mix, and if so, I'd see him as the young man who may be helping the queen, but mainly because of their relationship. is he her son? at any rate, the knight rx doesn't truly think for himself, and is probably easily led--and so is by the queen.
If this is not about a queen, but perhaps another group--it's because someoen is wanting to be at the head role and overthrow the current ruler.
It is about a "queen", but there is another group besides her that plays a strong role. And yes, that group does want to take the head role. About the current ruler, yes, but figuratively. What people thought of as "ruler" at that time might be a bit different from present day connotations.
Way to go! What's pretty cool is that you seem to have sussed out very well all the conflicting interests/energies related to the event, but not the central figure. I can't say too much without revealing the event though, a very accurate reading! :thumbsup:
celticnoodle
10-04-2009, 10:43
thank you for the feedback, yvresse. i have a few ideas that i need to investigate first to be sure it fits, but i'll check them out and come back to make my guess. hopefully someone else will also try and add to the possible find!
saturninebird
16-04-2009, 19:51
This game needs some reviving...:)
I'll give it a shot, with the Transformational Tarot
CENTRAL FIGURE: Queen of Wands, The Sun
The queen of wands! I suppose she's actually a queen. And the Sun seems to be her king. The sun-king seems a bit proud and is turned away from the queen. The queen is doing a lot of work, a bit of a witch about her.
THE EVENT: Introspection(Hermit), 6 wands, 9 wands
There seems to be a reclaiming of some sorts. Another queen is riding back. But she seems to be not of her own will. There is some shame and secrecy, but it marked the beginning of another stage.
BACKGROUND: The Tower, 5 wands
Perhaps this is a minor conflict within a larger devastation. There is a feeling that this happened in a fiery and passionate country, which gives me the idea of southern europe, though I might seem a bit stereotypical on this.
CONSEQUENCES: Prince of Cups, 2 coins
I think this event only affected the major players. A slight change of position. Possibly a psychological effect on the people involved. They are pretty narcissistic. The general public isn't involved.
celticnoodle
16-04-2009, 23:43
forgot to post the first of my 'guesses'. I think this is all about Richard II of England.
This game needs some reviving...:)
I'll give it a shot, with the Transformational Tarot
We need new blood too! Should we kidnap some players? ;)
CENTRAL FIGURE: Queen of Wands, The Sun
The queen of wands! I suppose she's actually a queen. And the Sun seems to be her king. The sun-king seems a bit proud and is turned away from the queen. The queen is doing a lot of work, a bit of a witch about her.
There was a Queen of Wands, but she was not the central figure. She did do a lot of work, though. Not sure about the sun...she and the central character did know each other in childhood. Also, she was no witch.
THE EVENT: Introspection(Hermit), 6 wands, 9 wands
There seems to be a reclaiming of some sorts. Another queen is riding back. But she seems to be not of her own will. There is some shame and secrecy, but it marked the beginning of another stage.
Yes! "Reclaiming" is the exact word. One queen was basically coerced and manipulated, but she was not the one riding back. I'd say that the shame and secrecy marked both the beginning and the end of the central event.
BACKGROUND: The Tower, 5 wands
Perhaps this is a minor conflict within a larger devastation.
There is a feeling that this happened in a fiery and passionate country, which gives me the idea of southern europe, though I might seem a bit stereotypical on this.
Yup! The times were turbulent in one aspect, and this was relatively minor...didn't really have many huge/direct consequences anyway.
The country's not particularly fiery (or even very sunny, for that matter...hehe if I remember correctly, I saw at least one "visit this region" ad boasting a high average of "sunshine days" ;)). But, there was a lot of passion involved in those times, oh yes, and fiery too ;). The Tower is very apt (and literal), as is the idea of conflict in the 5oW.
CONSEQUENCES: Prince of Cups, 2 coins
I think this event only affected the major players. A slight change of position. Possibly a psychological effect on the people involved. They are pretty narcissistic. The general public isn't involved.
"A slight change of position" is a very interesting way to describe the event.
The effect was more than psychological, since it led to the absolute physical deaths in many cases. By and large, only the major players were involved. The role of the general public was not great, but did channel the direction of events.
forgot to post the first of my 'guesses'. I think this is all about Richard II of England.
Sorry, wrong person but right country!
celticnoodle
18-04-2009, 11:53
could this be about Richard III and the killing of the two young princes, Edward & Richard in the Tower of London?
Nope, sorry; this happens later on.
DellArtista
28-04-2009, 12:51
Hmm, originally reading through I was thinking what Celticnoodle guessed with Richard III.... but I'll give it a belated go here! ;)
WHO -- 7 of Swords
WHAT -- 8 of Wands
WHERE/WHEN -- 4 of Wands
The 7 of Swords as the who makes me think that one of the central characters is very deceitful, rather treacherous... perhaps they themselves are liars or there's plenty of gossip & lies surrounding them. I also wonder if there was one person or one group who stood out in the middle of it all as being pure or 'knowing the score' while the chaos, confusion & betrayals were happening around them.
The 8 of Wands for what makes me think of lots of quick decisions & fast actions, perhaps some made quite impulsively. Something done for passion perhaps -- maybe paired together with the 7 of Swords as a pairing to showcase some kind of 'crime of passion'? I'm also thinking the card has a scattered energy here, and again with the 7 of Swords, both of them might be talking about having a lot of irons in the fire, so to speak...?
The 4 of Wands for where/when I'm not too clear on... since it seems to be showing a cultivation time, I'm wondering if this event was during the Renaissance period, or in the years right before or after that period.
CLARIFICATION CARDS:
Queen of Disks * Queen of Cups * Ace of Cups
OK, These clarification cards seem to be quite a literal representation of one of the guesses I had going, so I'll just roll with it.... even if I'm way off! ;)
I feel like the 2 Queen cards showing up are almost like two people fighting for attentions or power, fighting to be heard. Perhaps fighting for the attentions of someone represented by the 7 of Swords. & The Ace of Cups here seems to center things toward having relationships between people be at the center of the situation...
The 7 of Swords card really has me thinking of Henry the 8th, and then the 2 Queens showing up...
Is this event during Henry the 8th's reign? Is it something like the beheading of Anne Boleyn?
celticnoodle
29-04-2009, 01:35
not the war of the roses, is it?
Sorry for the late reply! I had kinda forgotten about this thread...
To sum up what's been "concluded" so far (to refresh my memories, lol):
It's in England, involving royalty, specifically queens.
Hmm, originally reading through I was thinking what Celticnoodle guessed with Richard III.... but I'll give it a belated go here! ;)
WHO -- 7 of Swords
WHAT -- 8 of Wands
WHERE/WHEN -- 4 of Wands
The 7 of Swords as the who makes me think that one of the central characters is very deceitful, rather treacherous... perhaps they themselves are liars or there's plenty of gossip & lies surrounding them. I also wonder if there was one person or one group who stood out in the middle of it all as being pure or 'knowing the score' while the chaos, confusion & betrayals were happening around them.
There was a lot of deceit going on, but the central character was not; naivety caused her downfall. She was definitely pure, but she definitely did not know the score. I'm not sure that anyone truly knew the score, though in hindsight it was clear that it would end rather quickly.
It's a good card for the central figure though, because from the public view, it was as if the central character had "stolen" what was not rightfully her's. That might have made her appear deceitful to the crowd...I'm not sure what the exact public sentiment on her was, since she was up to that point, not really well known. Well, if royals were the celebs back then, she was definitely a nobody. Until the event. And even then, definitely an unpopular celeb. She's quite a "romantic heroine" in our times though.
The 8 of Wands for what makes me think of lots of quick decisions & fast actions, perhaps some made quite impulsively. Something done for passion perhaps -- maybe paired together with the 7 of Swords as a pairing to showcase some kind of 'crime of passion'? I'm also thinking the card has a scattered energy here, and again with the 7 of Swords, both of them might be talking about having a lot of irons in the fire, so to speak...?
It wasn't a crime of passion. The central character might have made some on-the-spot decisions, showing strength that may have surprised the people around her. There was enough planning behind-the-scenes—but not by her. She was the one being manipulated above all else.
I'd say that the 8 of Wands really points to the speed of the event—over before you knew it. She was unprepared for the whole fiasco. Near the end of it, she might have really felt that everyone was going against her. If I were in her position, I would have felt like a whole bunch of pointy sticks were being thrown right at me!
The 4 of Wands for where/when I'm not too clear on... since it seems to be showing a cultivation time, I'm wondering if this event was during the Renaissance period, or in the years right before or after that period.
Hmm, depends on which part of Europe you're talking about. Checked the Wiki, and officially, the renaissance of England starts shortly after this period. Which deck were you using, DellArtista? If it's RWS-based, the celebratory connotations of the image would fit, describing the background event/timing ;)
CLARIFICATION CARDS:
Queen of Disks * Queen of Cups * Ace of Cups
OK, These clarification cards seem to be quite a literal representation of one of the guesses I had going, so I'll just roll with it.... even if I'm way off! ;)
I feel like the 2 Queen cards showing up are almost like two people fighting for attentions or power, fighting to be heard. Perhaps fighting for the attentions of someone represented by the 7 of Swords. & The Ace of Cups here seems to center things toward having relationships between people be at the center of the situation...
Yes! Two queens "fighting" for not someone, but something, the thing being stolen in the 7oS. Though one queen was not so much fighting as being made to do so. The Ace of Cups is interesting; you mention relationships, and it is definitely about relationships, but in the lineage/bloodline sense rather than emotions. However, the two queens, contrary to popular belief, did get along quite well. I think I can place the Queen of Cups...probably most likely to be the central figure (though personally, I see her more as a Page, because she really was a naïve girl), but not so much the Queen of Pentacles.
The 7 of Swords card really has me thinking of Henry the 8th, and then the 2 Queens showing up...
Is this event during Henry the 8th's reign? Is it something like the beheading of Anne Boleyn?
Close! It's a bit after Anne Boleyn, but meh, all in the same family-ish! Well done!
not the war of the roses, is it?
Nope, but the family was the outcome of the war.
Thanks for your patience!
celticnoodle
03-05-2009, 10:55
could you be referring to the Hundred Year's War?
could you be referring to the Hundred Year's War?
Nope, sorry. Pretty much a domestic-level affair in England. The timespan was very, very short. I think one of the earlier posts, way back before my absence might have mentioned that it was an affair involving a small number of people.
saturninebird
03-05-2009, 20:13
So this is after Anne Boleyn and before the English renaissance...
It's a short period of time to examine... but there's just so many important women in those few years...
I wonder if this concerns Lady Jane Grey?
Or perhaps a childhood event of Elizabeth the 1st?
Yup! Lady Jane Grey it is! Congrats, saturninebird!
ETA: Looked back to what I had jotted down: it was the "reign of Lady Jane Grey".