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fairy_circus
17-04-2009, 20:42
Hello. I'm a new forum member and although I am very interested in astrology, I'm a little new at these things. So can you help me with my birth chart? From what I've read, scorpio and sagittarius are a little opposite to each other in some ways. How can that affect me?
http://forum.astro.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/birthchart_004.gif
Plus, it's not listed here, I guess; but I wonder how chiron, vesta, pallas...etc affects me. For example, my ceres is in sagittarius 12th house, my pallas is in scorpio 11th house, juno in capricorn 2nd, vesta in virgo 9th. Can you comment on at least a few of these positions? How important are the part of fortune, part of spirit and lilith? While choosing a profession, which quailities of me do I need to consider? I know I asked too much but I'm really curious :) Thank you by the way.

Elea
17-04-2009, 22:28
Hello, I am quite new to the forum myself, and not a professional astrologer. I just wanted to give you some hints as to this:
chiron, vesta, pallas...etc affects me. For example, my ceres is in sagittarius 12th house, my pallas is in scorpio 11th house, juno in capricorn 2nd, vesta in virgo 9th

Of all these kind of "minor" lights, the only one we can really say at least something about, is Chiron. Chiron is the picture of *the wounded healer*, going back to the old Greek myth ... read more about it here: http://www.ericfrancis.com/sagittarius/sagittarius04.html

The other 'planets' have not yet been researched properly enough by the professional astrologists, and basically there are just some theories, maybe hints which you could find by researching the myths behind them. --> google

As to your birth chart and how you want to make use of it, I'd therefore suggest you stick to the main themes shown in it, quite the classical way: Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars ... etc. as well as their positions in the signs and houses as well as their relation with each other. This alone gives you plenty of information and input, and will be helpful for you in your decision making.

When it comes to astrology and important life decisions, personally I really (though I've had to do with it over the past 30 years now) stick with the professionals in this field.

Saw you had your chart done by Astrodienst which is an excellent website and offers you plenty of free-of-charge interpretations. Look up what Robert Hand has to say about your chart as well as your upcoming transits, and also look up how Robert Pelletier would describe you as a person - all readily available for free on the astro.com website. I think that's really plenty to deal with and to ponder about to get started.

Wishing you all the best! :)

Maggiemay
17-04-2009, 22:30
Hi!

Scorpio and Sagittarius are adjacent to one another. Usually, adjacent signs don't have all that much in common but they are not 'harsh' with one another, so I wouldn't be too too concerned.

As for the Asteroids ( ceres, chiron and co.) some people give them consideration and some do not. (I'm one of those who do, but I am no leading expert either! LOL)

Asteroids are very small and so their impact, according to some, is close to zero. Have you read about the asteroids? In my opinion, reading about the Mythology behind these asteroids would be a great start. It helps understand their astrological interpretation better.

Although, before you go into the asteroids, you may want to start reading up on the North Nodes...

The fact that you are a Sagittarius ascendant gives you a special connection to Jupiter ( jupiter rules sagittarius) and so you probably have a positive attitude towards life. According to your chart, Jupiter is in your 9th house, which represents higher education and travels.

You have a busy 11th house ( sun/mar/pluto) - the 11th house is the house of friends (amongst other things) so I am guessing your friends mean a lot to you.

Here is for my little astrology 101 session!lol

Welcome to the forum.

Maggie :)

Maggiemay
17-04-2009, 22:30
double post.

willowfox
18-04-2009, 00:14
Plus, it's not listed here, I guess; but I wonder how chiron, vesta, pallas...etc affects me. For example, my ceres is in sagittarius 12th house, my pallas is in scorpio 11th house, juno in capricorn 2nd, vesta in virgo 9th. Can you comment on at least a few of these positions? How important are the part of fortune, part of spirit and lilith?

All these things that you have mentioned above are totally irrelevant, and should be avoided as they are of no importance in your chart and only cause confusion. Stick to the basics and then you can't go far wrong.

Minderwiz
18-04-2009, 01:25
Well that's rather a sweeping statement LOL

Actually, I'd go along with the principle - the less celestial bodies and points you deal with the better, at least as a beginner. Most of the objects that you mention have their adherents but to be honest, I've never found them particularly helpful.

Of the ones that you mention only the Part of Fortune and Part of Spirit can be traced back into Classical Astrology, the rest are modern add-ons, largely as a result of the telescope and a quaint belief that if it's out there it must have some importance, especially if astronomers say so.

So forget them until you REALLY understand the basics. Astrologers managed for thousands of years without them, and indeed the vast majority of Astrologers still do.

When you understand the basics then is the time to THINK about extending your knowledge but even then there are perhaps more useful bodies to consider, such as fixed stars.

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 06:12
First of all, thank you so much for your answers. I have read some books about astrology and learned some basics about how the planets' locations affect me but I hadn't come across with astreoids or anything like that, I searched the net but as you said there are mostly theories on how they affect us, that's why I was so curious about it. I don't have too many sources in my language about them so I'm trying to learn them in here, (I'm lucky I know English!)
Secondly; I'm well known for being childish, free-spirited, cheerful, very energetic and even a little crazy at school, but around my relatives and in the outside world(e.g. in some courses that I participate) they say I'm the most mature, quiet and odd person they had ever seen! They say I laugh too much at school but in some course I go, they ask why I am always sad. The thing that both sides agree is that I'm unbalanced and sometimes moody. I wondered if that was a result of me being a scorpio with an ascendant sagittarius...

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 06:20
Secondly; I'm well known for being childish, free-spirited, cheerful, very energetic and even a little crazy at school
Well, your moon is in Aquarius so that makes you a little free spirited, little crazy at school aaaaaand a GREAT friend!
They say I laugh too much at school

Mercury/jupiter contact...lol
The thing that both sides agree is that I'm unbalanced and sometimes moody. I wondered if that was a result of me being a scorpio with an ascendant sagittarius...
No. I would tend to think its a result of your sun/mars/pluto aspects to your moon.

But you are soooo much more than those little aspects I mentioned.

Just my 2 cents,

Maggie :)

ps: Thanks for sharing your chart. It provides great learning.

BigLuna
18-04-2009, 06:45
hey, fairy circus (love that name, btw)

You have a fascinating chart, and I think your description of yourself is quite accurate for your chart placements. You're young, so consideration of a career at this point is very mature.

You have a packed 11th house in Scorpio (Aquarius' natural home) with both rulers of Scorpio (Pluto and Mars) in a very tight conjunction with your Sun. You couldn't get more Scorpio unless you put them all into the 8th house. To make this even more interesting, your Moon is in Aquarius (back to the 11th house again).

Not only that, but Uranus (ruler of Aquarius) is in your first house, re-emphasizing a Uranian character. Can you see how this see-saw of Scorpio/Aquarius energy is working together?

Scorpio is very quiet, reserved, secretive. Aquarius is out there, bold, crazy (as you say), and can be quite funny.

You also have Saturn in Aquarius and Uranus in Capricorn. That's called a mutual reception. Those qualities are mirroring each other. Capricorn and Saturn are more reserved; Aquarius and Uranus are on the kooky side.

Saturn is also a co-ruler of Aquarius, so there's another Uranian impact.

Your North Node is in the first house (the house of "me") in Capricorn (reserved, mature) with the South Node in the 7th house (of partners) in Cancer (family, home). We are frequently drawn to our S. Node behavior in spite of our N. Node being the path of growth. I'll leave that to you to decipher because nobody knows our own behavior like ourselves.

The North and South Node are in a constant balancing act, just like the major configurations in your chart.

With Jupiter in your 9th house of higher education, I can see how you might laugh a lot at school. It needs to be fun. Jupiter is the ruler of your Sagittarian Ascendant and has a major impact on your chart. One of the things Jupiter rules is laughter. Do you mind telling which classes you laugh in, and which ones are the ones that you seem sad in?

All in all, your friends and you have described you quite well.

You did ask about career, though. What do you think you'd like to do?

May I ask what profession your parents were in? Saturn and the Moon are parental indicators, and they're both in the 2nd house (money) in Aquarius, which is connected to things like science, television, computers, electricity.

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 06:46
Well, your moon is in Aquarius so that makes you a little free spirited, little crazy at school aaaaaand a GREAT friend!

made sense to me, thanks.

BigLuna, before I started tarot, I would read much about my birth chart -I think it was my way of predicting about my future back then:D and the general mood was about artistic professions(or I remember so). I'm thinking of architecture right now. I think it's suitable for me, as it combines art and science and actually, all the things about the world! but I don't know, I want to improve myself in lots of ways I wonder how I can do that. And do you think I should consider a profession that I can get support from or work with my friends? And yes, my mother is a biology teacher:D

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 06:55
And do you think I should consider a profession that I can get support from or work with my friends? Before I started tarot, I would read much about my birth chart and the general mood was about artistic professions. I wonder what will work out for me.

GREAT question!!

Venus rules your 5th and 10th house and Venus is in your 9th house conjunct your M/C so right there, I'd be tempted to say that something fun and creative would be the 'Royal' way towards your career choice. Venus in Libra means that you deal quite well with partners in general.

Yet the Scorpio ''stuff'' in your chart could pull towards an entirely different direction.

Call me crazy but I would see you do great in dealing with the public ( moon in aquarius ruler of 8th house in 2nd house) , communications ( mercury ruler of 7th house) , and perhaps even psychology ( scorpio activity in the chart).

Ever considered teaching psychology?

I wonder what the others will answer to your question.

Best wishes

:) Maggie

DISCLAIMER : Unfortunately, I am far from being a pro in astrology...Please, keep it in mind when you read my post!! lol

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 07:04
I've never thought of psychology for my profession, but I sometimes think it would be a great way to improve myself to learn psychology more... I can use it in whatever job I do, as it's a wide subject. Maybe I can take a few classes:)

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 07:09
THAT'S IT!!!! Got an idea for you: How about you do *group training*? It could be anything! Especially if it involves : transformations ( Scorpio)

For example : Teaching aerobics or tai kwan do ( am I spelling this right?)

Tell me what you think!

Maggie :)

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 07:16
THAT'S IT!!!! Got an idea for you: How about you to group training? It could be anything! Especially if it involves : transformations ( Scorpio)

For example : Teaching aerobics or tai kwan do ( am I spelling this right?)

Tell me what you think!

Maggie :)
I dont know if you're spelling right, but I actually hate sports:D Okay, I actually hate group sports and enjoy things like walking, jogging...But I'm sure I can't be too good at aerobics or anything like that:). I've never tried but...I guess the thing that annoys me is that you have to follow some rules in such things and I think there shouldn't be boundaries in an individual sport-the reason I hate group sports is the rules, too-...I don't know, we should find something else

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 07:22
Shocks!!! I was completely wrong on that one!

It's true with an Aquarius moon you need TOTAL freedom, especially with the squares coming from scorpio...

Let me put my ''thinking cap'' on..... and double check your chart again.

PS: I notice that on your chart, Leo doesn't have a cusp... You might want to re-run your chart with the EQUAL method/style.

See you in a bit,


Maggie :)



I dont know if you're spelling right, but I actually hate sports:D Okay, I actually hate group sports and enjoy things like walking, jogging...But I'm sure I can't be too good at aerobics or anything like that:). I've never tried but...I guess the thing that annoys me is that you have to follow some rules in such things and I think there shouldn't be boundaries in these...I don't know, we should find something else

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 07:28
by equal style, what do you mean? are there some links for that?

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 07:35
When you go on Astrodienst and you are on the EXTENDED CHART SELECTION page.

You have the BIRTH DATA, then THE METHODS, and then the OPTIONS.

In the OPTIONS, you have : House System. If you scroll down, you will see EQUAL. Choose that one. and then you won't have a sign without a cusp. Then we'll know what house is ruled by your sun.

I actually learned this here, on the astrology forum. ( a week ago!!)

Maggie :)

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 07:40
I've been staring at your chart and what I'm thinking is that you would need a job that ''destroys'' and then ''rebuilds''.

I know...it sounds crazy!! ( I dont think you will mind too much with an Aquarius moon!! lol)

Hope that helps a little bit...

Maggie :)

BigLuna
18-04-2009, 07:48
You were told to look at artistic professions because Libra is on your Midheaven, and Venus (Libra's ruler) sits right at the top of your chart. Libra rules artistic things. This is a very strong placement.

You asked if I thought you should consider work that will support you, or work with your friends. You're having a sun/moon battle. Your moon in the 2nd house is concerned with income. Your sun in the 11th house is concerned with friendships. I'm sure you'll find a way to do both and satisfy both urges.

You're interested in architecture, which is an excellent combination of Libra (art) and Capricorn (construction). Capricorn is on the cusp of your 2nd house of income.

Of course, if you're anything like many of us, your interests may change as time passes.

I wouldn't begin to tell you what to pursue. I can point out potentials, but so what? That's a choice for only you to make. The best advice on which career to follow comes from the title of a book that I absolutely adore. It's called "Do What You Love, the Money will Follow" by Marsha Sinetar. You can read the book, but the title says it all. Notice that she didn't say, "A whole lot of money will follow." Follow your heart, be true to yourself, find a way to do what you love, and you will find what you are looking for and a way to be happy with the choices you make.

Thanks for telling me your mom is a biology teacher. Astrology is fun, huh?

Best of luck to you, Fairy Circus. What a wonderful name!

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 07:49
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If I made it right, this is it.

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 07:51
I've been staring at your chart and what I'm thinking is that you would need a job that ''destroys'' and then ''rebuilds''.

I know...it sounds crazy!! ( I dont think you will mind too much with an Aquarius moon!! lol)

Hope that helps a little bit...

Maggie :)

Yeah and I wanna be an architect or a designer. It doesn't destroy, but it definetely builds:D Maybe I'll work in some recycling factory:)

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 07:55
Thanks for telling me your mom is a biology teacher. Astrology is fun, huh?

Best of luck to you, Fairy Circus. What a wonderful name!
Yeah, she definitely jokes about me and my tarot cards and astrology books, as she doesn't even believe a bit in them:D
And thanks, actually this name is/or is going to be an album name, I just ran into it somewhere and loved it!

Maggiemay
18-04-2009, 07:57
Yes, that's it!

Sorry I couldn't help you any better for your career path...

Good luck

Maggie : )

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If I made it right, this is it.

fairy_circus
18-04-2009, 08:00
Yes, that's it!

Sorry I couldn't help you any better for your career path...

Good luck

Maggie : )
You helped so much already now, don't worry. Thanks for all your answers, they were such insightful and useful for me.

fairy_circus
19-04-2009, 02:57
and by the way, one more question; do you think that I'm gonna find success abroad? I'm going to consider that while I'm planning on my career.

Maggiemay
19-04-2009, 03:24
Actually, its interesting you should ask!

First of all, your chart is significantly different whether one pulls the EQUAL system or the regular PLACIDUS system. So, I don't know which chart you feel is the one that best ''suits'' you.

With the EQUAL system, you end up having pluto, sun and mercury in your 12th house which would make you a rather 'quiet' type. With the PLACIDUS system, you have much more of an 11th house activity and mercury in your 1st house.... so as you see, its a very different feel.

Now, I am mentioning this because depending on which system you are using, the ruler of the 9th house is different, 9TH house deals with 'international affairs' ( if I am not mistaken!) and I'd be very tempted to say that the 11th house does too!

If we go with the PLACIDUS system for you, then the ruler of the 9th house is MERCURY which is in your 1st house in Sagittarius + the planets in scorpio (11th house) and I would say that there could be something very ''international'' to your overall activities.

Travelling for work would be a great thing for you!!!

What do you say?

Maggie :)

fairy_circus
19-04-2009, 03:33
Hımm...I'm so new with this equal chart, but I guess I'll be the one to choose which one will be more right about me. but what confuses me is, I've seen lots of different methods of birth charts and so that would make like a hundred possible charts for a person? Or do changing methods depend on what you want to know about yourself?

Maggiemay
19-04-2009, 03:47
Well, yes! Its essentially what I have been told ( on this forum).

There is a zillion ways to take a ''snapshot'' of the sky at the time of birth.

Here is what Minderwiz told me last week:

(..)

There are lots of arguments about the 'Best' House system, I have found that these are largely futile. What matters is finding a House system that 'clicks' with you. Some Astrologers tend to use different House systems for different work, for example many Astrologers use Regiomontanus cusps because Lilly used them. However, it's probable that if Placidus House tables had been readily available, he would have switched to Placidus.

Don't get hung up on House sytems - try delineating charts using three or four systems and see how they REALLY differ, then settle on the system you like most.

If you want to read his and other people's comment then you might want to look at this thread:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=1799820#post1799820

Magz

fairy_circus
19-04-2009, 03:55
thanks maggie, I'll take a look at that; and do you think I should try my luck abroad someday?

Maggiemay
19-04-2009, 03:59
Call me crazy but I would say YES! Absolutely!

With Jupiter in the 9th house in virgo, I'd say that you may have to travel a lot but for work ( virgo is work).

You might become a consultant or an advisor! Or represent Turkey at the UN one day!

As far as careers go, some people are lucky to find their vocation right away and others have to struggle. I hope you find what you are meant to do easily!

Magz :)