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Cerulean
25-03-2003, 22:39
The art by Luigi Scapini for Del Negro, a Santeria-based deck. From what I understand, the belief systems have links to more naturalistic island or even African cultures and also a blend of Catholic saint structures. The writing sources, at least by the egroup that I logged into, seemed to favor this deck.

I'm posting links to be added later:

www.Tarotgarden.com

http://www.tarotgarden.com/database/dbsearchengine.php?search_type=blob&pageenter=0

www.alidastore.com
http://www.alidastore.com/

www.trigomo.com
http://www.trigono.com/Tarocchi/tarot_lukumi.htm

Tarotgarden had a few in stock in the U.S. In Europe, Alidastore.com has them....Trigomo can be slightly more expensive for some.

People who are fans of art or a bit of the background behind the New Orleans Voodoo Tarot or Tarot of the Orishas might find this an interesting take. Forgive my message if I am suggesting a deck that doesn't work with your belief system.

Strange2
26-03-2003, 13:00
Thanks for notice on this new deck. It captured my fancy (like many decks do ;) ), so I placed an order for it through Alida.

I enjoy Luigi Scapini's art on the Medieval Scapini deck, and from the card scans on Tarot Garden, the artwork on the Tarot Lukumi deck looks very expressive. Interesting Ace of Cups (As de Copas) card!

Faerie Lin
26-03-2003, 13:52
Heard of this deck before but never really LOOKED at it, and I like it! Thanks for calling it to my attention.

I'm actually kind of surprised I like it. I had to trade away my Scapini deck, it was really starting to irritate me (the way some of the people were depicted, but I may just be a nitpicker) and this deck erases the thoughts I had about the artists.

Well another deck I want...

zorya
26-03-2003, 13:53
thanks mari!
this deck is so compelling, very emotive. i enjoy not only scapini's skill as an artist but his ability to include humor with respect.

Cerulean
27-03-2003, 21:47
Quite vibrant and dancing, I like it. Still touching base with it...I think it reminds me of energetic paintings. I am still enamored by Scapini's Romeo and Juliet as a favorite for it's variety and theme--I think of Lukumi as very much a summertime tarot...perhaps while looking forward to beautiful island cabana hours...

In the egroup that I spoke about before, the Tarot of the Orishas and Lukumi were said to be only somewhat similar, but only small aspects of the belief system were touched upon. I realize many won't like the 77 Orisha cards, but I think they do a good card a day pick.

New Orleans Voodoo tarot were actually a theme tarot more along the American city culture...I still admire the strength of the art in all these decks.

Mari H.

Strange2
27-03-2003, 21:57
Originally posted by Mari_Hoshizaki
In the egroup that I spoke about before, the Tarot of the Orishas and Lukumi were said to be only somewhat similar, but only small aspects of the belief system were touched upon.

Mari H.

Mari,

Can you post a link to this egroup you mentioned, either here or via a PM. I'm interested in learning more about the Orishas and Lukumi. Thanks!

falconwing
25-05-2003, 08:22
Hi fellow-addicts ;),
the Lukumi Tarot is one of my recent purchases....I know there has been a thread on this deck before, anyhow I would like to revive the topic...(*please-bear-with-me)

I have been interested in Afro-Carribean studies for almost two decades now, so this deck was a "must-have" for me.

For those, who are not into these traditions...the Lukumi-Tarot tries to combine the traditional Tarot-symbols and meanings with Cuban Santeria, including some Vodoun, Ifá and Palo influences.

As I read in the "old" thread some of you also have the deck....have you started working with it? How are your experiences?

My first impression is, that this deck is almost as powerful as the New Orleans vodou Tarot....like it has already been mentioned by others, the art is very expressive, very intense...well, some pics are definetely not for the faint-hearted...(some pics showing sacrificed animals, blood still dropping...lots of struggles...turned-around human skulls serving as "cups" and so on :))

One drawback however IMHO are the comments which go with the deck...ahem...in fact...they are almost only descriptions on which Orisha, Loa or Saint is depicted on the card and very little info on the background (there wouldn't be enough space for that anyhow)...but what is lacking completely are some divinatory hints...or maybe I still havn't found them? At least in the english section I did not find any.

What do you guys think about this deck?

Falconwing

jmd
26-05-2003, 03:40
For those interested, two earlier threads which mention this deck are:Lukumi Tarot (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12616)

New Orleans Voodoo Tarot (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12564)As I neither have the decks nor sense I have the background to comment positively on them, I'll leave that to others ;)

Cerulean
26-05-2003, 15:43
The only comment that I can make so far is there is one yahoo study group where the moderator is very careful and helpful in answering questions. She suggests that if you look at Santeria (Tarot of Orishas) and the Lukimi tarot, there might be a closer feel than in trying to equate it with the New Orleans Voodoo Tarot. She seems to like the Lukimi tarot and sometimes posts about the cards.
Her take on the Santeria card deck is that it really is not like the Lukimi tarot. However I admit that I would have to study these beautiful and almost Caribbean style cultures before I can say anything beyond how lovely the artwork is on both decks. If you pm me, I can give you the name of the yahoogroup.
I don't understand a third of the associations, but I admire the artwork. I did mention both decks once to a friend of my sister--she is from Nicaragua--that I found such cultural insights interesting. She also said the cultural appreciation is wonderful, but she didn't associate Santeria with tarot cards. She enjoys tarot cards, but she thought the Visconti Gold was the right fit for herself and her mother and she didn't mix those associations at all.

Voodoo_Shaman
03-08-2003, 17:59
Eleggua ( El Loco 0 The Fool )

Eleggua, is one of the youngest and one of the most important Orishas in the Lukumi pantheon. It is Eleggua whom all followers of the Orishas call first before any other Orisha; he is the linguist of the Orishas, the messenger as well as the Lord who holds all the keys to open every doorway in the Universe.

Ancient Pataki tell the tale of how God “Olodumare” was very ill, to the point where his children the ancient Irunmole and their children the Orishas, where worried that Olodumare would face death. One by one the Ancient Irunmole and the Orisha went out into the cosmos hoping to find a medicine that would cure Olodumare of his strange illness. But sadly each Orisha failed in doing so.

It was the youngest amongst them, Eleggua who said he would find the medicine that would heel Olodumare. Each of the Orisha laughed. “If we the most ancient of Irunmole and the Ancient of Orishas can not find a medicine to heel Olodumare, surely, Eleggua who is so young will not find it.” They said.

But soon Eleggua did come back with an Ebbo of sacred Ewe “herbs” that he had prepared, and made into an Omiero, ‘Sacred Elixir.” Soon Olodumare was feeling good as new, as Eleggua’s Omiero did heel him of the mysterious
disease that could have taken his life. Olodumare was grateful, and declared that Eleggua would not be viewed as the youngest of Orishas any longer. From that day forward he became the Eldest, and all offering to any Orisha was to be made to Eleggua first. Eleggua was also given the knowledge over every language in the Cosmos, he was also given the keys to open the doors to every door and realm in the Universe.

Eleggua is the Fool of the Major Arcana, he is the
Divine messenger, Lord of the Crossroads. The Yoruba Deity who opens and closes the paths of prosperity. Eleggua is known by various other names. In Yorubaland he is known as Esu, in Brazil he is Eshu. In Cuba he is also known as Elegbara, and the Ancient Rites of Kongo, he is known as Lucero Mundo. In Haitian Voudou he is known as Papa Legba. He is also synchronized with The Holy Child of Atocha. Eleggua’s sacred colors are red, and black, his favorite number are 3, and 21. This card is in
dedication of Master Manuel C.

Description of Card

Eleggua balances as if in a dance, on the cliff in total folly, unnoticed of
the dangers before him. To the bottom of the cliff is an alligator ready
for the feast, while behind Eleggua, is a large rat, pouncing for the
attack. “The street rat, is Elegguas totem, the rat lives in the streets,
and feeds of human garbage. This is why garbage is also sacred to Eleggua.
The aligator and the rat are symbolic to Eleggua as the ultimate trickster,
and symbolizes that a careless attitude in life, is sure to sooner or later
get you into trouble. Over his right shoulder is Eleggua’s staff, the
garabatto, and dangling from it is a bottle of Eleggua’s favorite drinks,
rum or gin. On his other hand he holds his cigar, which is one of his
staple offerings. Over his left shoulder is his open weaved straw satchel
bag, and from it tumble it contents. The contents of the satchel are a
symbol of the treasures of life, true happiness, being neglected and
loosed. Corn cornels, three coins, and fours cowrie shells is the pattern of
Alafia, indicating unforeseen blessings.

Prayer to Eleggua

Cool Fresh Water, refreshes the Spirit of my Head.
Cool Fresh Water, refreshes the home.
Cool Fresh Water, refreshes the Road.
Cool Fresh Water, refreshes Eshu Laroye.
Three times I knock on the floor efore you.
Great Father Eleggua, Lord of the crossroads.
Open the doors of prosperity, give me peace of mind,
give me health, and protect me from those that wish me harm.
Keep the Spirit of Death, at bay.
Keep the Spirit of Loss at bay.
Keep the Spirit of Ill Fate, at bay.
Keep the Spirit of Sorrow, at bay.
Keep the Spirit of Hate, at bay.
I entrust in your divine influence.
May you bless me in the name of the holy Trinity.
Olorun, Olofin, and Olodumare.
Iboru, May my prayers be heard.
Iroye, May my sacrifice be excepted.
Iboshishe. May my Prayers manifest.
Modopue baba Eleggua.

Meanings

Upright = Moving through life without a care in the world. Acting
careless, and not being responsible. Individual is not considering the
seriousness of the situation he/she is or will be facing in the near future.
Depending on cards that surround it, it could mean new opportunities, pay
attention or they can pass you by.

Backwards = Doors closing, loosing opportunities, careless behavior will
get you in trouble. Danger up ahead, accidents, because of carelessness.
lack of diesoline, immaturity, and negligence

Voodoo_Shaman
03-08-2003, 18:07
I have heard both decks being compared. But we must
understand that Voodoo and Lukumi are not the same spiritual paths. Although I love the New Orleans Voodoo, it really is not strictly “New Orleans” because Santeria is not from New Orleans. But besides that the Lukumi Tarot is the first all Orisha, tarot dedicated completely to Santeria and the Orishas, one should not compare these decks because they are two completely different styles of decks.

If there is to be a comparison, then do so with the Lukumi Tarot and the Tarot of the Orishas. And to be honest I think the Tarot of the Orishas, was a big disappointment. Fairies, and Knombes have little to do with Orisha spirituality.

The Lukumi Tarot by Luigi Scapini and Tata Emanuele Coltro Guidi, is a beautiful deck, but the booklet that comes with it is honestly helpless. Reason being, most of the cards have to do with certain Patikis, and the Patiki are not really, as well as ceremonies, and rituals practicced in Santeria and Lukumi that is not discussed much.

Voodoo Shaman

Voodoo_Shaman
03-08-2003, 18:20
Ngangulero ( El Brujo 1. The High Priest )


Although the Ngangulero is not a follower of the Lukumi tradition, he is a follower of the magico-spiritual path known in Cuba as Palo. But Palo and Lukumi walk hand in hand, in the fact that all who know or Follow Lukumi, know and respect the rites of Palo. In fact many initiates of Lukumi also receive initiation into Palo. Palo has its origins in what is now known as the Republic of Congo. It came to the Americas via the Diaspora of the
1700 and 1800. There are many branches of Palo thought the Americas. In Haiti it is known as Vodou Petro, in South America it is known either as Umbanda or Macumba. Palo in Cuba has four various branches. There is Palo Kimbisa, Palo Briyumba, and the more popular Palo Monte and Palo Mayombe.

The elders of Palo are known by various names, Ngangulero, Paleros, or Tata for the Male priests and Yaya for the female priestesses. In modern times the Paleros are one of the most powerful practitioners in the Esoteric Occult Arts of Necromancy. The Palero’s mane source of power is the “Prenda” also known as the “Nganga”, a cauldron filled with various branches, “Palos” animal carcasses, human remains, as well as other secretive ingredients. The Nganga is a mini universe, and within it
resides a powerful Spiritual force that has an agreement and a sacred union with the Palero. The Palero offers the Spirit of the Nganga blood offerings in return the Spirit helps the Palero. The various rites and ceremonies of the Secret Societies of Palo, can only be ltaight by an experienced Elder Palero, and initiates and the sacred objects of can only be received from an Elder.

God Olodumare is known by the name Zambia, the spiritual forces are collectively known as the Mpungos or the Nkisis. The Nikisis are similar to the Orishas, in that they are Spiritual Forces of the Cosmos, in fact many followers of Palo believe that the Nkisi are roads to the Orishas and use the name Nkisis and Orisha interchangeably. There are to many Nkisis to be placed in this small section but the most widely venerated are.

Names

Congo - Yoruba - Spanish -- English Translatio

Zarabanda -- Oggun ------------ - -------------

Tata Nkuyu --Eshu Elegba -- Lucero Mundo --Light Bringer

Kengue -- Obatala -- Tiembla Tierra -- Earth Shaker

Nsasi -- Chango -- Siete Rayos -- Seven Rays

Kalunga -- Yemaya -- Madre De Agua -- Mother of Water

Mpungu -- Ochun -- Mama Chola -- Mother Chola

Kubayende -- Babalu Aye -- Pata En Llaga --Legs of Scores

Centella Ndoki --Oya Iyansa -- --------------- ---------------

Barufinda -- Osanyin -- ----------- -------------------


Traditional Prayer to the Nikisi

Good Evening, to you most Holy Spirits of Nikisi.
Beloved Guardian Children and higher Archie of the
Kingdom of Papa Zambi.
Defend me, and all that I hold dear to my heat.
Oh Great ________ , (Use the name of the Nikisi you are praying to.) do not allow that any diabolical, malice, evil intention, or harm that my enemies may have in store for me; come my way. Oh great Spirit return it to it’s sender.
Protect and defend me great Spirits, while I am awake as when I am sleeping, while I am in my house as when I am on the street.
Good Evening, to you most Holy Spirits of Nikisi.
Good Evening Lucero Mundo.
Good Evening Zarabanda.
Good Evening Tiembla Tierra.
Good Evening Siete Rayos.
Good Evening Madre De Agua.
Good Evening Mama Chola.
Good Evening Pata En Llaga.
Good Evening Centella Ndoki.
Good Evening to all my Ancestors
Good Evening to my Dead.
Good Evening to the Spirit of my Prenda Nganga.


Ire O!! To all the children of the Orishas
Voodoo Shaman

Cerulean
03-08-2003, 20:00
You have so much depth in your information! Also, I noticed a very beautiful way of writing, reminds me of poetry or sung words.
I've only kept the few descriptions written from the yahoo newsgroup, where the originator is incredibly kind and posted in-depth interwoven words with the first few cards.
I'll recommend this tarot if I come across my sister's friends looking for cultural tarot--some of her friends from Central America are interested in different cultures with tarot systems.
I hope you get to write a text on the book--definitely needed for people as myself, who admire this, but am uncertain what to do with the beautiful cards.
Take care,
Mari H.

contrascarpe
12-10-2004, 13:46
Reviving this old thread ....

With so many decks in my collections (and so many more I have avoided at all costs), I was a little surprised to see this deck recently. I purchased it because I like the work of Luigi Scapini.

When I went through the cards, I was immediately struck by the beauty (as well as some of the disturbing images). There are some decks I now look at, with a fresh mind, and immediately connect with as a reading deck. This is one of them. I had a mild interest in Santeria about twenty years ago (as a field of study, not practice), so this opens up a new world for me.

I hope to do some readings with it in the near future.

Dan

sungoddess
22-10-2004, 16:19
I have been interested in Tarot now for about half of my lifetime. I got my first deck when I was about sixteen, a standard Rider Waite deck, but felt no connection with it and gave it away to one of my oldest friends.

Later, more specifically, in the last year, my interest in Tarot has grown even more.

I'm been growing with the Orisha spiritual tradition, but not Lukumi, in the tradition of Trinidad & Tobago. For the record, 'Shango/Spirutal Baptists' are mostly Christian, and there is another more grounded in the Yoruba system tradition alive in Trinidad that is simply called Orisha.

My interest in Tarot was piqued again when I read about the Tarot of The Orishas. For more than a year now I've been trying to acquire a deck without success. In Trinidad, it simply cannot be found, although I did get a copy of the book eventually after much deliberation.

I went so far as to order it from two book stores and a local botanica, all three turned up nothing.

In that time I had gone on to read more about the Tarot of the Orishas, and am gathering that it is a general disappointment withing the Orisha community, because it uses symbolism not in keeping with that generally accepted within the community, as well as being strongly pulled towards a Candoumble variety of the ancient Yoruba tradition.

Within the last three months, I have left Trinidad to live in England, and I am now here, surviving the onset of the coldest weather I've ever experienced, and in this place there hardly seems to be much Orisha community to draw on or connect with.

Again I renewed my search for the Tarot of The Orishas, and again only having much success even finding the deck book combination on line, and for sums I could hardly afford.

So in the last several weeks, I've come to understand maybe there is a reason why I could not find this deck, and now cannot afford it.

So as I began to look for information on the Tarot of the Orishas, I came across information about the Tarot Lukumi.

It was like a PING went off in my head. My mind zoned in like a radar and I have been combing the net for information on it, of which there is precious little, two reviews and a few threads in this forum.

The few pictures I have seen online have only whetted my appetite for the deck, and despite a lack of a companion book to go along with it, I believe this is the deck for me.

I have a few other decks. The hideous Marseilles deck which I absolutely could not read at all, and felt leaden and dead in my hand.

A Rider-Waite/Marseilles clone, that has been redrawn and is a talking deck. I've used this in readings for myself and other people, and I get very accurate, very helpful information from them. I really like this deck alot because it's simple and uses many primary colours and bold lines, making it easy to read.

I have some African divination cards that again, I don't really feel any connection with. They are black and white and the art is simplistic as to look like cartoon cut outs and they do not resemble any know tarot system I've seen and the book was simplistic as well. I've never even read with them.

Then there is the Bosch deck I acquired shortly before I left Trinidad. Every few days during the three months prior to my leaving the island, I went into the store and stared at the box, and wanted, wanted, wanted to get it.

I do not know why, but I was strongly pulled to this deck. Maybe it's because my mother had a book with Bosch's paintings when I was child, and I would sit poring over the pages, intensely curious about the weird creatures Bosch painted.

I told the TT$150 out of my travel money fund, and bought this deck, and it is as beautifully weird as I expected, but it's not the deck I read the most with.

The Tarot Lukumi, and my reaction to it, seems to be similar to my feeling prior to getting the Bosch deck. It is an intense feeling like I must have this deck, and I suspect only Orisa knows why.

So, I ordered the deck from Alidastore, and it was shipped to me today, expected in England next week.

I am very excited. I am very eager to see if this deck with speak to me, will work with me and my world view.

I'd like to thank those who've kept this thread going, because it has been an interesting read so far.

I would like to find out which of those yahoo online discussion groups, mentioned the Tarot Lukumi. I'm a member of a number Orisa/Santeria groups on Yahoo, and I've been searching through them without any mention of Tarot Lukumi turning up.

Also, one of the links to the older Tarot Lukumi discussion, leads back to this one, and I am a little confused.

So I just wanted to add my two cents or two hundred, to the discussion.

When I get the deck I will post some more on it.

Also, I <a href="http://sungoddess.journalspace.com/">wrote in my blog</a> about the experience of searching for both the Tarot of The Orishas, and the Tarot Lukumi, most recently as a few days ago. Anonymous users can post, so feel free to do so.

Blessings and Good Things,
Big Mami

sungoddess
22-10-2004, 17:47
I'm very curious to know which egroup it was that the Tarot Lukumi got good reviews in.

I've just ordered this deck, and am looking for more information on it.

Blessings and Good Things.

zorya
22-10-2004, 17:54
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/lukumi/review.shtml

sungoddess
26-10-2004, 06:29
Thanks for the link... I've read those reviews maybe a dozen times... they're both very informative and good.

I was interested though in the egroup recommendation. Egroup seems to me to be the former egroups.com, now Yahoo! Groups... I'm a member of a number of groups there focussed on the Orisas and the Ifa/Santeria/Lukumi/Palo Mayombe/Candoumble traditions and can find no mention of this deck.

So I was hoping the person who got the reommendation might be able to inform me on which group them got the information from.

Blessings and Good Things.

sungoddess
29-10-2004, 09:26
I got my Tarot Lukumi deck today... and it is very beautiful.

As reported, the booklet is so useless as to be stunning! It's written in barely lucid English and rife with spelling errors and bad grammar.

That said, the deck if fortunately close enough to other decks in structure, that you can follow what is happening and I know a number of the patakis being referenced so I believe I'll be able to get the gist of it fairly quickly.

However, this deck BEGS, positively BEGS for a larger book to be developed.

I'm already beginning to make my own notes on this deck, and typing up my own ideas and impressions... maybe one day I'll make it into a book, who know?

For the moment, I am quite pleased with this deck. It's beautifully illustrated, but truly not a deck I'd reccommend for a beginner with no experience with the Orishas.

Tuluum
11-02-2005, 10:48
I got my Tarot Lukumi deck today... and it is very beautiful.


Hi SunGoddess! :) We seem destined to keep running into each other :D

sungoddess
11-02-2005, 10:57
We congregate in all the same places! LOL!

Little Hare
29-12-2008, 04:06
I have just come across this tarot on another website. Does anyone here use this deck for readings? If so how do you find the deck?

Cheers

Little Hare

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