seeking "how to tell a scam artist" site without racist stereotyping

theora

so I'm working on my site and considering putting up a link to a site on how to tell a scam artist, but so far I have been unable to find one that does not perpetuate racist stereotypes.

this is sad, and I refuse to perpetuate racism on my site. as we all ought to know by now, there are good people and bad people of all types, and physical appearance and ethnicity are not a useful way to tell if someone is honest. if anything, these sites make it easier for blond people to pull scams!

does anyone know of a good site? or, is it better not to link to anything negative, and just be positive and talk about what I do?
 

nisaba

theora said:
so I'm working on my site and considering putting up a link to a site on how to tell a scam artist, but so far I have been unable to find one that does not perpetuate racist stereotypes.
<surprised> How so? I've seen scammers of all sizes, colours, shapes and creeds. I've also known good, even *great* people of all shapes, sizes, colours and creeds.

What race do these people think are likely to be scammers? Are the rest of us all automatically honest?
 

gregory

I'd write your own guidelines on how to spot one....

(nisaba - ALL the sites I have seen assume that scammers are "gypsies".....!)
 

nisaba

Many of the scammers I have met were middle-aged white men in Armani suits and expensive, understated cars earning six figures.

I wouldn't go claiming no one else is!
 

Grizabella

I wouldn't even put up a link. Just let it be. Be the best reader you know how to be and lead by example.
 

Logiatrix

Per gregory's suggestion, I think you'd do better to write something up yourself. Focus on the mechanics of various scams and how to avoid them. Then you can stress that scammers come in all races, genders, ages, shapes or sizes.

Racism is an issue, yes. But it's also important for people to know that they can't just make assumptions about which readers "look" honest. A lot of people don't realize that it's not appearances that indicate a scam artist, it's actually certain techniques and language (i.e., implications of doom). There are several posts around here telling tales of hole-in-the-wall shops with oddball readers who give honest readings. Likewise, the slick, charismatic scammer with the upscale office around the corner is regularly pushing $500 candles on their unsuspecting clients. The "look" of a reader is never an accurate sign of honesty.

EDITED to add: For the record, I'm an oddball reader who reads in a hole-in-the-wall shop.:grin:
 

theora

thanks everyone for your thoughtful comments.

yes, every site I have seen warns of "gypsy psychic scams" - as if white folks (etc) won't lie cheat or steal! sheesh!

even if I didn't have that smidge of eastern European Rom blood, I'd never in a million years link to racist stuff like that.

I'm going to take the advice of just folding it in with my "FAQ" or "about my readings" page and keep it brief and focused on the positive. someone pointed me to a blog entry by our own Marcia959 where she touches on this issue as a part of her review of SF-BATS '09. she talks about hearing Joseph Ernest Martin briefly address this point in his talk and I really think he nailed it.

here's a link to the posting:
http://marciamccordtarotreader.blogspot.com/2009/11/bats-trip-report-october-3-4-2009-san.html

I hope this is ok to post, I am still rather unclear on site policy around posting links. is it ok if it isn't to one's own site? if I shouldn't have included it here, please accept my apology in advance and feel free to remove it.

thanks again, this forum has been SO helpful as I launch my nascent reading biz!
 

Pagan X

I've seen a major spectrum of scam artists myself:

*The classic Gypsy crime family doing palm and/or tarot reading and curse removal

*The psychic, usually but not always, middle-class WASP, who offers to find lost children, pets, solve crimes, or perform healing

*The well-dressed in Rolex watches and Armani suits South African, Israeli, New Yorker, New Jersey, Brazilian, German etc. investment broker/inventor/agent looking for millions of dollars and promising millions in returns

*The "UFO engineer" who will show teenage girls the blueprints in his apartment

*The card handling magican who has cheated casinos

*The inventor of concealed computers for cheating casinos

*Any number of computer hackers, crackers, virus writers, etc.

*Shoplifters, drug dealers, tax cheats, skimming cashiers in restaurants and at gas stations, fences, addicts, contractors doing skim on repairs and equipment, shortchange artists, gigalos, dishonest auto repair shops, insurance scammers...

*Men and women who live off their lovers

I can probably come up with more. I guess I get around. Anyway, they tend to have certain traits in common:

*Secretive. That is, they don't like answering your questions, and will often respond with anger and accusations to your questions, very often going right to "You don't trust me?"

*Chatty. They love to talk. They will talk your ear off. Conversations don't end until they decide the conversation has ended.

*Flattering. They make a lot of eye contact with the mark, tell the mark that he or she is somehow special, intelligent, more understanding than other people, unique, spiritually gifted, sensitive, has a destiny.

*Very little about them on the Web.

*Avoid being recorded. They avoid providing documents, avoid signing anything, avoid being photographed. The name on the apartment, business, mail box, car registration etc. is usually somebody else.

*In love with the cell phone. Constantly making calls in and out.

*Mindful of appearences. The have tans, manicures, nice clothes, spiffy shoes, fancy car.

*Keep strange hours. Fail to keep appointments; you spend an unusual amount of time waiting for a call back, waiting for the office to open. They also will expect the mark to drop everything for a meeting, a call, an emergency errand of some sort.

*Borrow money. In return, they don't always pay the money back, but will substitute something else--take you out to dinner, give a cheap gift, provide sexual favors or the promise of sexual favors.

*Blame other people for failures. Always have a story why they're late and in a hurry to tell you what it is.

*Have an insane/drug addicted/disabled/somehow tragic family member that you probably never meet but for whom they supposedly lavish care and support.

*Have an insane/drug addicted/disabled/somehow tragic ex from whom they are hiding.

*Change cars frequently.

*Exagerrate their level of education, amount of travel, and the people they know.

I could come up with more...the first thing you will notice is the flattery, followed by the hostile response to questions.

X
 

nisaba

Pagan X said:
*Have an insane/drug addicted/disabled/somehow tragic family member that you probably never meet but for whom they supposedly lavish care and support.
<cackle> At this point I started to get worried, until I remembered that mine is dead.

Pagan X said:
*Have an insane/drug addicted/disabled/somehow tragic ex from whom they are hiding.
<smile> And I'm equally pleased to report that you don't have to hide from dead people. So I suppose, by that list of characteristics, if I ever was a scammer, I am no longer. (I'll still talk your head off, though)
 

theora

Pagan X said:
I've seen a major spectrum of scam artists myself:

*snippity*

I could come up with more...the first thing you will notice is the flattery, followed by the hostile response to questions.

X

um, wow. yeah ok so the world is full of scammers of various stripes. how about those people who call up old folks and get them to give their SS#s over the phone for identity theft?! or the ones that send fake government forms that say you own back taxes and if you pay RIGHT AWAY you wont get a penalty? a 42 year old friend of mine fell for that one not long ago!

ANYway, all that stuff is way OT here. I am talking about verbiage for my (LEGIT, TYVM) tarot reading web site. I was dismayed to see so much racist content about Gypsy scammers when as we all agree, no one has the market cornered on fake psychic stuff! there's no benefit to that, and in fact is makes it that much easier for Susie Nordic to rip people off since she doesn't LOOK like a Gypsy. I find it incredibly offensive, unnecessary, and just plain sad.