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LovelyMissAries
03-12-2009, 10:51
I have a moon in Taurus and my friend has a moon in Sagittarius... I was wondering if there's any kind of common ground these two moon signs can find, what their differences are, and also how to respond to the needs of a Sagittarius moon during conflict (whether that be heated or them just needing cheering up, etc.)

One thing I've figured out is that with my Taurus moon, it causes me to dwell on everything (not everything, but whatever I'm feeling I suppose). I think the difference between the Sag moon and Taurus moon is that Sag moons recover quicker, no?

214red
03-12-2009, 21:13
hi starlight
am notan expert, but one sign is not enough to work out how to work with this person, the moon is they way they deal with emotions. to investigate conflict and confilct resolution you need to look at a number of different signs, including mars.

for instance i see alot of chiron in aries people who are passive agressive, but they will have other things in their chart to indicate this also, and the reasons why.

Bernice
03-12-2009, 21:29
I agree 214red. The Moons' aspects are a crucial factor in how it functions in a person.


Bee :)

Minderwiz
03-12-2009, 21:48
I agree with both the above. All that can be said about the Moon placements is that the Moon is exalted in Taurus, whereas in Sagittarius it only has dignity by face in the last ten degrees. The Taurus placement is probably stronger but house placement, aspects to benefics or malefics and relationship to the Sun (as well as other things) are going to play very significant roles.

I'd also want to look at (in order) Venus, Mars, Mercury, Saturn, Sun, and Jupiter to see how they function in the chart, whether they aspect the Moon or not (especially Venus as the Moon's ruler).

LovelyMissAries
04-12-2009, 01:45
Ok, I'll put both our charts in here:

HIS:
Ascendant in Capricorn - 6.21 degrees

Sun in Leo - 11.59 degrees

Moon in Sagittarius - 8.56 degrees

Mercury in Cancer - 26.27 degrees

Mars in Leo - 18.37 degrees

Venus in Leo - 6.57 degrees

Jupiter in Aries - 29.22

Saturn in Sagittarius - 14.42 degrees (in retrogade)

Uranus in Sagittarius - 23.02 degrees (in retrogade)

Neptune in Capricorn - 5.43 degrees (in retrogade)

Pluto in Scorpio - 7.15 degrees

Lilith in Cancer - 28.24 degrees

Asc Node in Aries - 3.36 degrees



ME:

Ascendant in Gemini - 23.46 degrees

Sun in Aries - 17.52 degrees

Moon in Taurus - 9.55 degrees (If there's a smaller number here, like so, does that mean the characteristics of this sign in this placement are less pronounced?)

Mercury in Aries - 21.16 degrees

Venus in Aries - 18.33 degrees

Mars in Gemini - 16.45 degrees

Jupiter in Gemini - 4.44 degrees

Saturn in Capricorn - 13.44 degrees

Uranus in Capricorn - 5.20 degrees

Neptune in Capricorn - 12.23 degrees

Pluto in Scorpio - 14.31 degrees (in retrogade... not quite sure what that means but if it's pluto, it can't be great...)

Lilith in Libra - 6.34 degrees

Asc Node in Pisces - 4.11 degrees

Minderwiz
04-12-2009, 05:31
I know this might sound daft but I work better on 'pictures' than simple text, so I'd find it easier if you post your (plural) natal details - time, date, place, especially as you don't list any house cusps apart from the Ascendant.

He was born in Summer, approximately just under 2 hours before Sunset, whereas you were born early Spring sometime before Noon - my guess is that you have a tenth or eleventh house Sun, depending on latitude and he has a seventh or eighth house Sun again depending on latitude. Looking at temperament a quick rough calculation has him well balanced between all four humours, with Melancholy being slightly stronger than the other three. You appear to be a 60/40 split between sanguine and melacholy. So there's parts of his temperament that you don't quite understand (or at least empathise with). Your strong sanguine element is probably going to see you both through conflicts without too much strife, especially as he has a good sanguine component.

Both of you seem to have eleventh or twelfth house Moons, the natal details will pin that down. His Moon is also in an applying conjunction with Saturn, so the already essentially debilitated Moon is in bad aspect with a malefic. His Moon may not function particularly well and it certainly can't compete with his strong Sun. For both of you the Moon is above the horion in a day chart, which is not a strong placement - yours being in exaltation is more able to cope with that.

LovelyMissAries
04-12-2009, 06:03
I know this might sound daft but I work better on 'pictures' than simple text, so I'd find it easier if you post your (plural) natal details - time, date, place, especially as you don't list any house cusps apart from the Ascendant.

He was born in Summer, approximately just under 2 hours before Sunset, whereas you were born early Spring sometime before Noon - my guess is that you have a tenth or eleventh house Sun, depending on latitude and he has a seventh or eighth house Sun again depending on latitude. Looking at temperament a quick rough calculation has him well balanced between all four humours, with Melancholy being slightly stronger than the other three. You appear to be a 60/40 split between sanguine and melacholy. So there's parts of his temperament that you don't quite understand (or at least empathise with). Your strong sanguine element is probably going to see you both through conflicts without too much strife, especially as he has a good sanguine component.

Both of you seem to have eleventh or twelfth house Moons, the natal details will pin that down. His Moon is also in an applying conjunction with Saturn, so the already essentially debilitated Moon is in bad aspect with a malefic. His Moon may not function particularly well and it certainly can't compete with his strong Sun. For both of you the Moon is above the horion in a day chart, which is not a strong placement - yours being in exaltation is more able to cope with that.


Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Minderwiz, you and I have GOT to start PMing. You sound like you know EXACTLY what you're talking about when it comes to astrology and I would LOVE to learn from you (My friend MaggieMae said she learned about astrology from you as well)

My natal details:

April 7th, 1989
Henderson, Nevada
9:56 A.M (most of the charts I have done have given me a Gemini rising but MaggieMae said it was Aquarius, so I'm confused)

His natal details:

August 4th, 1987
Charleston, South Carolina
6:00 P.M.


I'm so looking forward to dissecting this and learning about the aspects and such!

Minderwiz
04-12-2009, 19:21
Thanks for the data - I'll take a look at the charts when I get some time later today.

How is Maggie ?? Not heard from her for some time and miss her cheery personality (and incessant posts LOL).

Be warned though, I don't practice modern Astrology - my approach is very traditional. I've come to the conclusion that modern Astrology has become so overwhelmed by the 'Sun Sign' approach that even an expert practioner, like Dave (Dadsnook2000), is constantly having to battle to overcome the prevailing view that all can be explained by your Sun sign.

LovelyMissAries
04-12-2009, 21:39
Thanks for the data - I'll take a look at the charts when I get some time later today.

How is Maggie ?? Not heard from her for some time and miss her cheery personality (and incessant posts LOL).

She's good! Just working on school and whatnot like the rest of us. :)

Be warned though, I don't practice modern Astrology - my approach is very traditional. I've come to the conclusion that modern Astrology has become so overwhelmed by the 'Sun Sign' approach that even an expert practioner, like Dave (Dadsnook2000), is constantly having to battle to overcome the prevailing view that all can be explained by your Sun sign.

Haha, I'm the one with the Taurus moon... I LOOOOVE tradition!!

Minderwiz
05-12-2009, 08:29
OK, it's been a busy day, so I've not done an awful lot - but I can confirm your Ascendant is Gemini. I'm not sure how Maggie arrived as Aquarius - I tried common errors such as entering the time wrongly by 12 hours - substituting PM for AM is regularly done. Nor is it a daylight saving error,that might put the sign wrong by a sign but not four signs!

I haven't double checked the temperament calculation I made from the original data but I'm fairly sure it's correct.

LovelyMissAries
05-12-2009, 08:51
OK, it's been a busy day, so I've not done an awful lot - but I can confirm your Ascendant is Gemini. I'm not sure how Maggie arrived as Aquarius - I tried common errors such as entering the time wrongly by 12 hours - substituting PM for AM is regularly done. Nor is it a daylight saving error,that might put the sign wrong by a sign but not four signs!

I haven't double checked the temperament calculation I made from the original data but I'm fairly sure it's correct.

Well, I'm trying to remember the contents of the message and I'm not sure if she found my ascendant in Aquarius in my individual natal chart, or a composite one of mine and my friends.

About the temperament calculation... I don't quite understand it as I've never heard or read about melancholy/sanguine stuff. But if I could paraphrase it for a moment... you're saying I'm basically a happier and more optimistic person than he is?

Minderwiz
05-12-2009, 23:13
The 4 humours correspond (but are not identical) to the 4 elements.

Melancholy is the 'Earthy' side, serious, grounded, the analytical, planning, structured side of people's temperament. It's what makes you think before acting, what makes you evaluate consequences and what gives you weight or gravitas. However taken to extremes, it becomes unwilling to think outside the box, being hidebound by structures and self imposed rules and regulations - being unable to act because the plan is never quite right and consequent negative thought or depression.

Both of you have above average levels, he more than you but neither to any real extreme.

Choler is similar to Fire, it's what makes you act, in modern parlance it's the driving force. It gives you agression (ideally the get up and go) but in excess it is just agression and being argumentative. Without the plans from melancholy, Choler becomes action for the sake of it, without goals or purpose. He has more of this than he does Melancholy and indeed on recalculation from the chart's I've set up, he has nothing else by one calculation and in both these are his dominant humours.

Sanguine is similar to Air, it's what enables you to be social, have good people skills, enjoy chatting and other communications with others - it gives you a desire to have fun in abundance. Take to extreme, it results in someone who has no substance and is all froth, so to speak. Melacholy adds the weight and Choler the ability to act decisively. In your case you are mainly Sanguine, with a large chunk of Melacholy and just a small dash of the last humour, Phlegm.

Phlegm, is similar to Water, A tendency to fit in with others, to take the 'shape' of the people you socialise with. There's not drive, but there is a fluidity of thought - phlegmatics, don't get ruffled and can think outside the box. Taken to extremes, they too are inactive and something of the 'cold fish' it's also hard to pin them down.

This sort of description would fit well with a modern approach based on elements, which quite a lot of Astrologers use (and indeed is a good approach) it's main difference lies in the way it's calculated. Moderns, use the signs of all planets and the ASC and MC. Traditionally the focus is on Ascendant, Moon and Sun, together with their rulers and almutens and something called the Lord or Lady of the Geniture - the strongest planet.

Taking the two of you:

He is Choleric/Melancholic - at his best he can be a good planner and translate plans into effective action to achieve objectives. He's quick witted, can think on his feet and quite witty. He wants to win though, and will find it difficult to play just for fun. He can be a bit impulsive, though his preferred mode is to think before he acts. He's not a great socialiser, fun for the sake of it is alright in small amounts but must never detract from the plan and he'll be impatient if you want fun, while he wants to 'do' something. He's probably the more 'serious' of the two (though you have a 'serious' side too).

You are Sanguine/Melancholic - you're the more sociable of the two - when he's sociable it's more likely to be because he wants something out of it, not simply for the sake of it. He's the leader, but you are the more diplomatic of the two and may smooth over feathers if he ruffles them - including your own. You've got good social skills, though you may not be the heart and soul of the party, unless you really know the people. You're good at creating rapport and putting people at their ease - however you have your own melancholic side and this can lead to you putting on a brave face - laughing on the outside, crying on the inside. You're also a planner but somehow he is more able to put plans (even yours) into action, you sort of get distracted or need to think things through again.

Melancholy is significant for both of you and it's what brings you together and enables you to appreciate each other - it's a strong point of contact a shared nature. What is more, whilst it may not set the world on fire it can be incredibly long lasting - it's a great base for a relationship.

Conflicts - he's naturally willing to argue and dispute (well more than you) You both have essentially strong Suns, yours in exaltation, his in rulership but yours is better placed in the chart.

Also your Mars is essentially stronger than his, indeed his Mars is combust trined by Saturn, and peregrine, so it misfires, so to speak. Both of you have Mars in weak parts of the chart - yours in the twelfth, his in the eighth - so again you will need to modify the temperament readings accordingly. So you might end up arguing about 'silly things'

LovelyMissAries
07-12-2009, 16:51
Melancholy is the 'Earthy' side, serious, grounded, the analytical, planning, structured side of people's temperament. It's what makes you think before acting, what makes you evaluate consequences and what gives you weight or gravitas. However taken to extremes, it becomes unwilling to think outside the box, being hidebound by structures and self imposed rules and regulations - being unable to act because the plan is never quite right and consequent negative thought or depression.

Both of you have above average levels, he more than you but neither to any real extreme.

YES! It makes sense he has more Melancholy than me (in fact, your whole Melancholy description sounds like us) as he used to be suicidal, and I have suffered from depression most of my life.

Choler is similar to Fire, it's what makes you act, in modern parlance it's the driving force. It gives you agression (ideally the get up and go) but in excess it is just agression and being argumentative. Without the plans from melancholy, Choler becomes action for the sake of it, without goals or purpose. He has more of this than he does Melancholy and indeed on recalculation from the chart's I've set up, he has nothing else by one calculation and in both these are his dominant humours.

Very true indeed, could you perhaps explain to me about his Mercury in Cancer? I feel like because of the heavy degree that's in, that it affects a lot of his "Leo"-ness. I don't understand him sometimes and his actions often times contradict what he says to a degree.

Sanguine is similar to Air, it's what enables you to be social, have good people skills, enjoy chatting and other communications with others - it gives you a desire to have fun in abundance. Take to extreme, it results in someone who has no substance and is all froth, so to speak. Melancholy adds the weight and Choler the ability to act decisively. In your case you are mainly Sanguine, with a large chunk of Melacholy and just a small dash of the last humour, Phlegm.

Yes, I do seem to be the more approachable of us two like you described. I feel like I understand how to get along with people better than he does.

Phlegm, is similar to Water, A tendency to fit in with others, to take the 'shape' of the people you socialise with. There's not drive, but there is a fluidity of thought - phlegmatics, don't get ruffled and can think outside the box. Taken to extremes, they too are inactive and something of the 'cold fish' it's also hard to pin them down.

I feel like he has LOOOOOOTS of that!


Taking the two of you:

He is Choleric/Melancholic - at his best he can be a good planner and translate plans into effective action to achieve objectives. He's quick witted, can think on his feet and quite witty. He wants to win though, and will find it difficult to play just for fun. He can be a bit impulsive, though his preferred mode is to think before he acts. He's not a great socialiser, fun for the sake of it is alright in small amounts but must never detract from the plan and he'll be impatient if you want fun, while he wants to 'do' something. He's probably the more 'serious' of the two (though you have a 'serious' side too).

Yes, that's very true. He is SO incredibly good humored, and competitive. We bring it out in each other just by being ourselves. He doesn't socialize but he does love to indulge. He is definitely impulsive... in the sense that he doesn't think about how other people will be affected/impacted by his decisions. I suppose serious is a better word for it, I call him uptight. :D

You are Sanguine/Melancholic - you're the more sociable of the two - when he's sociable it's more likely to be because he wants something out of it, not simply for the sake of it. He's the leader, but you are the more diplomatic of the two and may smooth over feathers if he ruffles them - including your own. You've got good social skills, though you may not be the heart and soul of the party, unless you really know the people. You're good at creating rapport and putting people at their ease - however you have your own melancholic side and this can lead to you putting on a brave face - laughing on the outside, crying on the inside. You're also a planner but somehow he is more able to put plans (even yours) into action, you sort of get distracted or need to think things through again.

YES! And when he's sociable because he wants something out of it, I feel like that's manipulative and deceiving! About the ruffled feathers thing, SO true that I'd swear it on a stack of bibles!!! I'm kind of a planner in the sense I'll start something but I have a hard time following through. He does help me with that.


Maggie said something about our friendship being karmic, but I want to understand what makes that karmic and how it's karmic... She spoke about it being to the extent of us not being able to even BE friends because of some unstoppable force but I can't imagine my life without him in it somehow (not like "OH I'm so in love with him!" but really, I couldn't.) And I was also wondering if his Sagittarius moon shares the same attraction for my Aries sun as my sun does for his moon?


I'm so grateful you went through and explained the four elements Minderwiz! I hope you're not tired of my questions yet. :)

Melancholy is significant for both of you and it's what brings you together and enables you to appreciate each other - it's a strong point of contact a shared nature. What is more, whilst it may not set the world on fire it can be incredibly long lasting - it's a great base for a relationship.

Conflicts - he's naturally willing to argue and dispute (well more than you) You both have essentially strong Suns, yours in exaltation, his in rulership but yours is better placed in the chart.

Also your Mars is essentially stronger than his, indeed his Mars is combust trined by Saturn, and peregrine, so it misfires, so to speak. Both of you have Mars in weak parts of the chart - yours in the twelfth, his in the eighth - so again you will need to modify the temperament readings accordingly. So you might end up arguing about 'silly things'[/QUOTE]

Minderwiz
08-12-2009, 04:51
What I gave you is a rought sketch - keepint to the absolute simplicity from a traditional view. There are, of course, more layers that can be added. The next stage in a classical reading would be to look at 'manners' - what we would probably label 'character' as seen by others. I think his lack of action at times is due to melancholy overcoming his drive. Phlegmatics are far more adaptable to circumstances and the environment.

On his Mercury, he's got good imagination, possibly too good in that he may be prone to a fantasy view of life. This might show up in his relationship with you or indeed in any sort of partnership he enters. Incidentally fantsies don't have to be of the 'fairy tale' or Walter Mitty sort. It's a possible avoidance of reality, perhaps in periods of emotional stress. Although his Mercury is reasonably strong, it's ruled by his Moon and reason may give way to the less rational view. This isn't a typical 'Leo' expression, as a modern Astrologer would define it. He's a quick learner but may well be inconsistent (his Mercury is fast) but will be able to give good reasons for any change in his views or intentions (from his point of view).

Karma is an Eastern, specifically Hindu concept and to treat it properly from and Astrological perspective, really requires a very good knowledge and practice of Vedic Astrology. I don't have that expertise so I'm reluctant to make judgements in that area. I know quite a few modern Astrologers who try to incorporate this into a wester tropical practice, but I've never been convinced by anything that I've read from that perspective.