Elven
This thread was prompted by missys 'Blushing Fool' thread - where the question of 'describing a decks' age came up.
Description matters
Decks seem to be described using categories such as AGE - TIME - CONDITION - COLLECTABLE.
After looking over some threads and online discussions - Ebay being one of them - there seems as if there is a wide variable of definitions and usage given to these categories both from seller, and from buyer - many 'terms' are used interchangably through out the categories.
The terms below are not set in stone, but I was trying to get some order of Time & Age, and some Tarot deck adjective selling definitions.
For example:
Vintage:
In Australia, a car is defined as vintage as of being 25 years old + (this is for tax evaluation purposes), though others use the word 'classic' to desribe a vehicle this age. On the other hand though, some people consider vintage as being about 40 years old. Across the world there seems not set definition.
The word Vintage is used in the Wine Industry - describing the year or season from the time of the harvest of the grapes until they reach the bottle - so this age definition describes the production stage - therefore it is 'THE VINTAGE' - for example 'Vintage 89' - it includes the Year of the season in which is was made. If this was a Deck it would possibly mean the Year in which it was printing and packaged.
So the question is:
How do you classify the 'description' of a deck when it comes to defining it's age, condition etc? Are some of the words you use appropriate or does your definition differ from others ...?
Here are some thoughts of mine.
Please add what you think too.
Cheers
Elven x
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TIME TERMS:
ANTIQUE: 100 years/+ old
Antique RWS
CIRCA: Approximate; Around, At, In.
Usually, but not always, defined within a decade of time - 1940, 1950, 1960.
The deck is Circa 1942
The book is was written in 1912 and published circa 1920.
VINATGE: Year of construction: A period of origin or manufacture.
The cards are Vintage 75.
Vintage 1954
CLASSIC: serves as a standard reference of excellence (can denote time of manufacturing standards), Historically memorable. This word can also be considered as a 'collectable' description.
A classic deck
AGE TERMS
Ambiguous Age classifications can be:
RETRO: Meaning: Back or (Looking Back), Retrospective. Nostalgic, Old Fashioned.
Retro does not prescribe to a specfic time, but usually defines an era or a type - like a social era: Mod, Flapper, Steampunk, War ... revival of something from the past.
for example: Recent release of a new version of an older product from a certain era - eg: 2010 Lava Lamp taken from a Lava Lamp design from the 1970's.
VINTAGE RETRO: A nostalgic item representing an 'era' which is over 25 years old.
RECENT: Having lately come into production or availability
MOST RECENT: Immediate, Last or Latest Production of item.
PRE-ORDER: In production/manufacturing stage yet to be released to the commercial market
CONDITION:
Describes the Article and its components - sometimes collectively or/and individually. Some can also describe AGE:
Brand New: New direct from Manufacturer.
New: Item Condition as good as from Manufacturer - sealed in protective packaging or outer casing.
As New: Purchased, protective packaging removed, possibly opened or checked, as condition from manufacturer.
Second Hand: has been used by item has been used by original purchaser.
Used: has been used - possibly has had more than one owner.
Pre-Loved: good/used (with the accentuation that it has been looked after)
Aged: deterioration from new condition due to time and storage.
Artificial Aging: Original item condition has been deliberately modified to look older or more deteriorated than it actually is.
Bumped: scruffing and/or indentation of item - usually relates to corners.
Worn: repeditive strain injury - shows area of stress on item (noticeable)
Bent: Stressed area on item with marked curveture
Crease: permanent noticeable stress/damage to item area
Banana: Permanent Curviture of item or part of
COLLECTABLES:
Collectables are classified into a sector: Tarot is classified along with other emphemera - books, greeting cards and paper.
Collectables and collections describe a few things:
Availability, Desireability, Accessability, History, Reputation of Artist or Manufacturer, Perceived worth and value to the collector, quality of the item - such as degree of craftmanship, materials used, manufacturing process - all these (and more) are variable and at the discretion of the collector.
SOME WORDS USED IN COLLECTABLE TERMS
RARE: Can relate to the Item an/or its availability on the market.
OUT OF PRINT: OOP: Currrently not in production.
HARD TO FIND: Measure of Availability (subjective)
LIMITED EDITION (Ltd ed): reflects the number of Items produced and/or above 'standard' quality / special in some way eg: 'Commemorative'
1st - 2nd - 3rd: relates to order of print run, or edition of the product
ORIGINAL: validates of the products authenticity, can mean being handmade or 'the first' or 'one-off' or 'the initial product'.
AUTHENTIC: The Real Thing - verifiable, certified, original. Exactly as claimed
REPRODUCTION: Reproduced - copy of the original, exact or close imitation of the original.
COMPLETE: All initial items and/or components are present as originally produced.
INCOMPLETE: Some item/s or component/s missing from the Originally produced 'Kit' 'Series' 'Volume' 'Set'.
UNIQUE: Item is the only one, being without 'like' or 'equal'.
CLASSIC: serves as a standard reference of excellence, historically memorable.
TRADITIONAL: An inherited, classical, or establish product. Continuity of item production.
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If there's anymore you'd like to add or discuss - feel free, the bar is open
Description matters
Decks seem to be described using categories such as AGE - TIME - CONDITION - COLLECTABLE.
After looking over some threads and online discussions - Ebay being one of them - there seems as if there is a wide variable of definitions and usage given to these categories both from seller, and from buyer - many 'terms' are used interchangably through out the categories.
The terms below are not set in stone, but I was trying to get some order of Time & Age, and some Tarot deck adjective selling definitions.
For example:
Vintage:
In Australia, a car is defined as vintage as of being 25 years old + (this is for tax evaluation purposes), though others use the word 'classic' to desribe a vehicle this age. On the other hand though, some people consider vintage as being about 40 years old. Across the world there seems not set definition.
The word Vintage is used in the Wine Industry - describing the year or season from the time of the harvest of the grapes until they reach the bottle - so this age definition describes the production stage - therefore it is 'THE VINTAGE' - for example 'Vintage 89' - it includes the Year of the season in which is was made. If this was a Deck it would possibly mean the Year in which it was printing and packaged.
So the question is:
How do you classify the 'description' of a deck when it comes to defining it's age, condition etc? Are some of the words you use appropriate or does your definition differ from others ...?
Here are some thoughts of mine.
Please add what you think too.
Cheers
Elven x
_____________________
TIME TERMS:
ANTIQUE: 100 years/+ old
Antique RWS
CIRCA: Approximate; Around, At, In.
Usually, but not always, defined within a decade of time - 1940, 1950, 1960.
The deck is Circa 1942
The book is was written in 1912 and published circa 1920.
VINATGE: Year of construction: A period of origin or manufacture.
The cards are Vintage 75.
Vintage 1954
CLASSIC: serves as a standard reference of excellence (can denote time of manufacturing standards), Historically memorable. This word can also be considered as a 'collectable' description.
A classic deck
AGE TERMS
Ambiguous Age classifications can be:
RETRO: Meaning: Back or (Looking Back), Retrospective. Nostalgic, Old Fashioned.
Retro does not prescribe to a specfic time, but usually defines an era or a type - like a social era: Mod, Flapper, Steampunk, War ... revival of something from the past.
for example: Recent release of a new version of an older product from a certain era - eg: 2010 Lava Lamp taken from a Lava Lamp design from the 1970's.
VINTAGE RETRO: A nostalgic item representing an 'era' which is over 25 years old.
RECENT: Having lately come into production or availability
MOST RECENT: Immediate, Last or Latest Production of item.
PRE-ORDER: In production/manufacturing stage yet to be released to the commercial market
CONDITION:
Describes the Article and its components - sometimes collectively or/and individually. Some can also describe AGE:
Brand New: New direct from Manufacturer.
New: Item Condition as good as from Manufacturer - sealed in protective packaging or outer casing.
As New: Purchased, protective packaging removed, possibly opened or checked, as condition from manufacturer.
Second Hand: has been used by item has been used by original purchaser.
Used: has been used - possibly has had more than one owner.
Pre-Loved: good/used (with the accentuation that it has been looked after)
Aged: deterioration from new condition due to time and storage.
Artificial Aging: Original item condition has been deliberately modified to look older or more deteriorated than it actually is.
Bumped: scruffing and/or indentation of item - usually relates to corners.
Worn: repeditive strain injury - shows area of stress on item (noticeable)
Bent: Stressed area on item with marked curveture
Crease: permanent noticeable stress/damage to item area
Banana: Permanent Curviture of item or part of
COLLECTABLES:
Collectables are classified into a sector: Tarot is classified along with other emphemera - books, greeting cards and paper.
Collectables and collections describe a few things:
Availability, Desireability, Accessability, History, Reputation of Artist or Manufacturer, Perceived worth and value to the collector, quality of the item - such as degree of craftmanship, materials used, manufacturing process - all these (and more) are variable and at the discretion of the collector.
SOME WORDS USED IN COLLECTABLE TERMS
RARE: Can relate to the Item an/or its availability on the market.
OUT OF PRINT: OOP: Currrently not in production.
HARD TO FIND: Measure of Availability (subjective)
LIMITED EDITION (Ltd ed): reflects the number of Items produced and/or above 'standard' quality / special in some way eg: 'Commemorative'
1st - 2nd - 3rd: relates to order of print run, or edition of the product
ORIGINAL: validates of the products authenticity, can mean being handmade or 'the first' or 'one-off' or 'the initial product'.
AUTHENTIC: The Real Thing - verifiable, certified, original. Exactly as claimed
REPRODUCTION: Reproduced - copy of the original, exact or close imitation of the original.
COMPLETE: All initial items and/or components are present as originally produced.
INCOMPLETE: Some item/s or component/s missing from the Originally produced 'Kit' 'Series' 'Volume' 'Set'.
UNIQUE: Item is the only one, being without 'like' or 'equal'.
CLASSIC: serves as a standard reference of excellence, historically memorable.
TRADITIONAL: An inherited, classical, or establish product. Continuity of item production.
______________
If there's anymore you'd like to add or discuss - feel free, the bar is open