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carcinya
22-06-2010, 16:21
What could the 10 of Swords (clarified by 5 of Pentacles) mean as somebody's thoughts about you?

My first instinct is to say, "Feeling sad and desperate because of a perceived rejection", with an element of overreaction.

Curious to know how you guys would interpret this combo... :)

nisaba
22-06-2010, 17:02
I;'d be disengaging from them. Either they are very likely to suffer as a consequence of contact with me no matter how careful I am, or everyone is very likely to suffer, including me. Not a situation I wish to engage with.

Of course, at some stage, most of us have fallen into the trap of thinking that there's something appealing about suffering: we might feel as if hypochondriacs or broken-hearted people garner more positive feedback from those around them than happy people. If you are passing through such a phase, this combination of cards might indicate a situation that you are not ready to leave behind, if you feel it makes the other person appealing or might make you appealing.

carcinya
22-06-2010, 17:09
Thanks for your insight. :)

The situation (and surrounding cards) is a bit more complex than the initial question might let on, but I don't know if I can elaborate in this part of the forum? I'll edit out my post if it's a problem.

Let's just say those are the only two negative cards in the reading, and the readings I have done previously (including that person's feelings for me, not thoughts about me) were all very balanced and positive. I'm fairly certain those cards are referring about the fact that he thinks I'm unavailable (I'm not) and is certain I don't return his feelings (he's wrong). But I wanted to expand on the possible meanings, so thanks a lot Nisaba. :):)

thorhammer
22-06-2010, 19:55
You're right - if you wanted to give (and get) more information, the place for that would be in Your Readings. And you're more than welcome to post your reading in there; who knows, it might give you a really good insight into the reading.

To address your OP (and I'm assuming you're using a RWS-based deck) . . . I think you're definitely on the right track, particularly with the "overreaction" part of it. There's an element of drama-queen-ness, of desperation and attention-seeking to this pairing. There is a sense that the only course of action is to cut ties but also a strong unwillingness to do so.

\m/ Kat

Sade
22-06-2010, 23:02
I dont know the history but perhaps you have really hurt them

PAMUYA
22-06-2010, 23:37
another thought: they feel that you like to play the victum role...

pasara
23-06-2010, 00:25
I don't really understand how people are getting the over reaction drama queen part. Could you please elaborate?

To me the card speak rejection. The door has been shut on them.

carcinya
23-06-2010, 00:48
Sade: I have never hurt them as far as I know! The very thought makes my heart clench. He might be hurting *himself*, though, by thinking he doesn't have a chance with me (when he totally does!!!).

pasara: It's a common interpretation of the 10 of Swords. Yes, you're hurting but come on -- ten swords? One would have been enough! 10 is definitely overkill.

In my experience, difficult exterior events are usually heralded by the Tower, Death and the 3 of Swords. The ten of swords tends to come up in my readings as self-pity, feeling the victim, despair that is not always warranted, etc...

As for the 5 of Pentacles, in the Druidcraft this card shows a sad woman hiding her face against a tree. The meaning is rejection -- hence my initial interpretation of the 10 of Swords/5 of Pentacles combo.

pasara
23-06-2010, 01:06
pasara: It's a common interpretation of the 10 of Swords. Yes, you're hurting but come on -- ten swords? One would have been enough! 10 is definitely overkill.

In my experience, difficult exterior events are usually heralded by the Tower, Death and the 3 of Swords. The ten of swords tends to come up in my readings as self-pity, feeling the victim, despair that is not always warranted, etc...

Hm. Interesting. I have never interpreted it that way, unless other cards point there. To me the 10 means over, no question about it, no possibility of resuscitation so stop trying or thinking you can get around it. Done. Finished. Finito. Similar to Death, but without the clearing the way aspect, has to do with the day to day or specific experience, as opposed to the more overarching energy that the major would indicate. To me it is not about pity etc, it is about facing the reality of the situation. I would see some of the court cards pointing to the drama queen idea, or cards like the 5 of cups, or even the 8 or 9 of Swords, but the 10 of Swords, no. Not saying you are wrong, if these are what the cards say to you, that is what matters, I just would not read them as such.

Eddie
23-06-2010, 01:19
What could the 10 of Swords (clarified by 5 of Pentacles) mean as somebody's thoughts about you?

My first instinct is to say, "Feeling sad and desperate because of a perceived rejection", with an element of overreaction.

Curious to know how you guys would interpret this combo... :)

Although sometimes we pose a specific question to the cards, they do sometimes bring in other elements that might be contributing to the situation we have asked about, complicates things I know. This is the very reason why we need to ask questions, during readings and why, when we read about another, who is not present, can sometimes reveal more questions than answers.

If there is no history between you that could be connected to the suffering of the ten, then this guy has really been through the wars and this may have nothing to do with you.

Its unfair to assume that there is an element of drama queen about him. Anyone who has come out of a 10 of swords situation, would tell you that it was tough!! Whether anyone else agrees, is neither here nor there, its all relative to the person concerned and their suffering should never be dismissed. This ten is bringing the situation to a close. For him, it couldn't get any worse, however with the 5 as a clarifier, sadly its not going to get any better, any time soon. For me, this ten is reflecting how a painful and difficult situation has come to a head.

This is why this card can sometimes turn up with regards to bereavements and loss, an echoe with the five, don't you think?

He is finding it difficult to let go of this hurt, despite the sword element of this card, it does have very deep emotional consequences for the person concerned. For this reason he finds it difficult to show you any feelings of openness, where upon a friendship or relationship could possibly flourish. The five is an indication of how "out in the cold and hurting" he is feeling, for what ever reason.

Why do you think, he thinks you are unavailable? Are you giving off mixed vibes? Is this why the five is clarifying the ten, I wonder. Maybe its time to be totally open with him and make it clear, one way or the other of your interest or lack off and then follow it up with the appropriate action. Walk away or pursue.

PAMUYA
23-06-2010, 08:06
I don't really understand how people are getting the over reaction drama queen part. Could you please elaborate?

To me the card speak rejection. The door has been shut on them.

There he is lying there with 10 swords in his back. “OUCH” over kill to say the least. Is this how we reacted to our problems? Or is this how we feel; “My life is Over!”or “ No one has ever suffered so much as me!” This card is drama...

carcinya
23-06-2010, 09:20
Eddie: I never said he was a drama queen, I said in this particular instance he *might* possibly be overreacting a little bit IF the 10 of Swords is at all connected to me. If it's referring to a painful past event in his life, a 10 of swords situation, I wouldn't judge: I should know how painful it is. This card was my emotional state for two months, and only now am I feeling better. So I am not making light of his (possible) suffering, I'm just saying that if it's related to me, it's unnecessary. :) I suspect he had a bad breakup a while ago, so maybe the 10 here reflects that... and his fear of being involved again. Maybe he is *afraid* an involvement between us might turn into another 10 of swords situation. That makes a lot of sense to me from I know of him and other readings I have done.

As for sending mixed signals, I don't believe I am. I know exactly what I want, and I'm doing my best to get us there; however, some people at work mentioned behind my back that I maybe had a boyfriend (my bastard ex). As a matter of fact, he's the one giving off mixed signals -- understandable if he's afraid. :)

Thanks for the in-depth input, that was extremely insightful!

leelee
23-06-2010, 10:19
Past experience for myself - 10 swords/5 pentacles - it was over, it was dead. No coming back from here. The rejection style was hard and painful almost nasty.

Eddie
23-06-2010, 19:46
Eddie: I never said he was a drama queen, I said in this particular instance he *might* possibly be overreacting a little bit IF the 10 of Swords is at all connected to me. If it's referring to a painful past event in his life, a 10 of swords situation, I wouldn't judge: I should know how painful it is. This card was my emotional state for two months, and only now am I feeling better. So I am not making light of his (possible) suffering, I'm just saying that if it's related to me, it's unnecessary. :) I suspect he had a bad breakup a while ago, so maybe the 10 here reflects that... and his fear of being involved again. Maybe he is *afraid* an involvement between us might turn into another 10 of swords situation. That makes a lot of sense to me from I know of him and other readings I have done.

As for sending mixed signals, I don't believe I am. I know exactly what I want, and I'm doing my best to get us there; however, some people at work mentioned behind my back that I maybe had a boyfriend (my bastard ex). As a matter of fact, he's the one giving off mixed signals -- understandable if he's afraid. :)

Thanks for the in-depth input, that was extremely insightful!


From what you say, its clear, this ten connects to his past. With regards to the "drama queen" quote, it was directed at those who chose to jump to conclusions, without really reading the cards, which really surprised me!. Imagine if you had gone to a BMS fair, just for arguments sake and the reader told you these very words, you could have been someone who could have acted on these words and then went on to put as many miles between you as humanly possible. Could have had the potential of spoiling your chances. Like i said earlier, you ask questions to determine and eliminate. This way, you send a querent away with the correct advice. Not asking or pointing out and in my opinion, jumping to conclusions, is dangerous.

Only to find later that this guy had been really hurt and wounded from a previous relationship and was finding it difficult to leave that behind. With these experiences its difficult to like yourself let alone anyone else!!

Interesting, you mention your ex and speak of him in such a way, it makes me wonder, as you say, if he is afraid and these cards could very well connect to that sort of a scenario. Especially if he is aware of the set boyfriend and they have or could have some sort of a contact.

Remember these are thoughts to him not feelings, your original quote mentions his thoughts and not his feelings toward you, just a thought!!....lol

Eddie

Ana's Song
23-06-2010, 20:42
10 is the completion of a cycle, swords are the communication/thoughts suit, so maybe he is done thinking about things, he's thought about it to death, and intends to move on from there? Now whether that means move on to declaring some interest in you, or move on as in giving up altogether, is another kettle of fish...

carcinya
24-06-2010, 00:56
Wow this thread is becoming fascinating. :heart:


From what you say, its clear, this ten connects to his past. With regards to the "drama queen" quote, it was directed at those who chose to jump to conclusions, without really reading the cards, which really surprised me!. Imagine if you had gone to a BMS fair, just for arguments sake and the reader told you these very words, you could have been someone who could have acted on these words and then went on to put as many miles between you as humanly possible. Could have had the potential of spoiling your chances. Like i said earlier, you ask questions to determine and eliminate. This way, you send a querent away with the correct advice. Not asking or pointing out and in my opinion, jumping to conclusions, is dangerous.

Only to find later that this guy had been really hurt and wounded from a previous relationship and was finding it difficult to leave that behind. With these experiences its difficult to like yourself let alone anyone else!!

This is the explanation I'm leaning toward. I hadn't even *thought* of it at first, but then you guys mentioned it, and out of the blue one of my friend did a reading and asked me if by any chance my crush had had his heart broken recently. Hmmm.

Interesting, you mention your ex and speak of him in such a way, it makes me wonder, as you say, if he is afraid and these cards could very well connect to that sort of a scenario. Especially if he is aware of the set boyfriend and they have or could have some sort of a contact.

Well, my ex did quite a number on me, some of which I learned only yesterday, so there's a part of me that's a bit bitter, yes. I've never badmouthed the guy publicly though; if I have nothing nice to say about someone, I'd rather stay silent. :) And there's no way those two could ever have been in contact -- widely different social circles.

But maybe he thinks I'm not over my ex? That could induce 10 of swords thinking...

SunChariot
24-06-2010, 01:30
What could the 10 of Swords (clarified by 5 of Pentacles) mean as somebody's thoughts about you?

My first instinct is to say, "Feeling sad and desperate because of a perceived rejection", with an element of overreaction.

Curious to know how you guys would interpret this combo... :)

What the question about someone's thoughts about you or about their feelings about you? In the question you said about their thoughts, in the thread's title you said it was about their feelings?

My answer is that Swords are already about someone's feelings. The 10's are...the greatest/largest amount of what the suit talks about you. So the answer is not so much about WHAT they are thinking but it is telling you they are thinking about you A LOT, you are almost always on their mind. There thoughts keep returning to you.

The 5 of Pents...well my way of reading is a bit unique but here goes anyway. I refer the number back to the Major Arcana of the same number and add in the suit. So 5 of Pents: 5 = the Heirophant + life goals and the work done to necessary to acheive them.

Hierophant=traditions passed down over generations, socially acceptable things, even sometimes legalities such as marriage.

Put that all together and it says that he is working on setting some goals in his mind for what he wants you two to be. These will fall into roles that are somewhat traditional (or sometimes the card could say that he wants to break with tradition) and potentially it could be saying that he is thinking about the idea of marriage with you.

Whatever it is , he's there thinking A LOT about it.

That is what those cards would mean to me. But then of course the card images give me most of my meanings and would flesh the answer out.

Babs

carcinya
24-06-2010, 02:02
You guys really are amazing. :heart:

What the question about someone's thoughts about you or about their feelings about you? In the question you said about their thoughts, in the thread's title you said it was about their feelings?

Yes, it was definitely thoughts. Feelings I did in another spread (posted in Your readings), and they were very positive. I edited the title of my post to correct my mistake, but it doesn't seem to show on the thread list. Sorry about that... :(

My answer is that Swords are already about someone's feelings. The 10's are...the greatest/largest amount of what the suit talks about you. So the answer is not so much about WHAT they are thinking but it is telling you they are thinking about you A LOT, you are almost always on their mind. There thoughts keep returning to you.

The 5 of Pents...well my way of reading is a bit unique but here goes anyway. I refer the number back to the Major Arcana of the same number and add in the suit. So 5 of Pents: 5 = the Heirophant + life goals and the work done to necessary to acheive them.

Hierophant=traditions passed down over generations, socially acceptable things, even sometimes legalities such as marriage.

Put that all together and it says that he is working on setting some goals in his mind for what he wants you two to be. These will fall into roles that are somewhat traditional (or sometimes the card could say that he wants to break with tradition) and potentially it could be saying that he is thinking about the idea of marriage with you.

Whatever it is , he's there thinking A LOT about it.

Wow. You're quite amazing, you know that? I'd never have thought to look at cards that way! But I like the way you refine the meaning of the cards to their core elements. That's definitely something I'll keep in mind. :heart:

About the 10 of Swords, would you refer it to the Wheel of Fortune as well? In that regard it could be his mind "churning with thoughts", or "thoughts running around in circle", or "circling an idea"... :)

Anyway, my thoughts keep returning to him as well even though I don't dare entertain thoughts of marriage yet. I wouldn't mind if he were thinking it though... :D

EDIT: Just thought about something. I'm currently in the process of finding a job in order to stay in Japan. Could it be he's waiting to find out if I'm staying for good before making a move, and turning the different possibilities around in his mind?

Okay this is getting complicated. :D

SunChariot
24-06-2010, 03:44
About the 10 of Swords, would you refer it to the Wheel of Fortune as well? In that regard it could be his mind "churning with thoughts", or "thoughts running around in circle", or "circling an idea"... :)

Anyway, my thoughts keep returning to him as well even though I don't dare entertain thoughts of marriage yet. I wouldn't mind if he were thinking it though... :D

EDIT: Just thought about something. I'm currently in the process of finding a job in order to stay in Japan. Could it be he's waiting to find out if I'm staying for good before making a move, and turning the different possibilities around in his mind?

Okay this is getting complicated. :D

You could certainly use the 10's to refer back to the Wheel if you want. You're always free to take what someone else does and then alter it to work in the best way for you.

Essentially if you wanted to do that and it gave you the meaning above in a reading you're free to go with that. To me the Wheel saying that life/fate will unexptectedly send you something totally out of the blue that you had not at all planned on. So to me thought the 10 of Swords would say that something had happened between you (most likely in the recent past) that he had not at all planned for or expected and now he is thinking it out, trying to process it, trying to make sense of it....

It all depends on which reading method you choose to use before you start. Also on how you see the cards. Of course your interpretation of the Wheel if fine also. Whichever methods and meanings you choose the answers will come in that format.

:heart:
Babs

whatsername
24-06-2010, 05:45
There he is lying there with 10 swords in his back. “OUCH” over kill to say the least. Is this how we reacted to our problems? Or is this how we feel; “My life is Over!”or “ No one has ever suffered so much as me!” This card is drama...

Over kill. My thoughts exactly. I'm hoping that since it's a 10 that it's the end of the road that things might be looking up but drama queens hardly ever grow out of that stage...

patienceislove
24-06-2010, 05:56
i do not like this card! lol

as feelings, its like they are done, finished, by asking you are beating a dead horse bc to them their feelings are dead.

sorry! this card isnt a happy one!

omnislashed
24-06-2010, 13:20
But maybe he thinks I'm not over my ex? That could induce 10 of swords thinking..
For what it's worth, I had the Ten of Swords surface for this precise reason before (which was later confirmed by the person who I read about). Their belief wasn't actually true, but we're talking about assumptions and feelings, not necessarily fact.

The Ten of Swords is the clearest "NO" in the deck for me (although I'm obviously not insinuating that you've asked a yes-or-no question), so how I essentially interpret this is divided between two options:

(1) The person in question isn't mentally considering the situation being asked about; the dilemma is off their radar-scope. This could mean a variety of things -- the common interpretation is that the person isn't reflecting on you (general you), but I generally interpret this to mean that the individual is almost oblivious to the problem. For example, when I once inquired, "Why does this person have a problem with me?", the Ten of Swords was produced ... But it was later confirmed that, well, this person didn't have a problem with me at all. They had no comprehension that anything was amiss; in fact, they had been trying to reach me.

(2) The situation harbors extreme psychological baggage. It's true, almost to the point of overkill. In Crowley's deck, the Ten/Swords is the natural conclusion to the Nine of Swords ... those obsessive anxieties were never resolved, leading to a one-way trip to the Ten of Swords. It can be helpful to factor in the energies of the preceding card, particularly if the preceding card had surfaced in spreads before.

I wouldn't always take it to the ultimate extreme, however; it doesn't necessarily mean the person is having a mental breakdown. But it does (I think) suggest that, whenever the person does consider the scenario, their perception is very all-or-nothing. The contemplative energy of the Swords suit is maximized.

There's my take.