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Grigori
16-10-2010, 11:13
Ah! Ah! Death! Death! thou shalt long for death. Death is forbidden, o man, unto thee.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/index.htm
http://hermetic.com/crowley/index.html
http://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html

Other threads in this study group (http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1698733&postcount=7)

Grigori
18-10-2010, 15:21
So death is the crown of all, but it is forbidden? I guess I'm reading this as if death were a misplaced goal. Even if things are difficult so that a person would long for the peace of death, death cannot be the goal, the focus of the will should be. Maybe this reduces things to "you'll die when you've reached your goal" or even something akin to a conservative notion of only god having the right to choose to end a life, and other anti-euthanasia arguments. Though that would conflict with Liber Oz's right to choose your own death.

Always Wondering
19-10-2010, 02:49
Your thoughts remind me of Alice Walker's The Color Purple when Seleay claims such a philosophy for tolerating abuse.

This side last a lil while ms. sophia, heaven last always…

I've always loved Sophia's response.

Seleay you betta bash mister’s head open and think bout heaven later.

AW

Aeon418
19-10-2010, 05:13
So death is the crown of all, but it is forbidden?
Death is forbidden, o man, unto thee. It think the man in this verse may be a referrence to the pre-Adept, Man of Earth. His/her business is the building of the pyramid or raising of the phallus, depending on which symbol set you are using. At this early stage the climax of death would be a little..... premature. ;)

And which goddess is going to impressed by a Lover who goes off half cocked? :laugh:

Grigori
19-10-2010, 12:24
Your thoughts remind me of Alice Walker's The Color Purple when Seleay claims such a philosophy for tolerating abuse.

I like that AW, and it reminds me of something else also. Though yours is a more repectable pop culture reference than mine })

All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless.”.

Maybe a little bit of focus on what you're supposed to be doing. Or even don't get so caught up "the next life" that you forget about this one (or suffer a life of misery in the hopes that it will qualify you for a better one next time around).

His/her business is the building of the pyramid or raising of the phallus, depending on which symbol set you are using.

Thanks Aeon, I'd thought of the Man of Earth angle when I first read the line, but promptly forgot it! Could you elaborate on what the work of building the pyramid is? Is there a pyramid builder to do list?

Aeon418
19-10-2010, 20:06
Could you elaborate on what the work of building the pyramid is? Is there a pyramid builder to do list?
Eh?!!!! :confused: We've covered the building of the pyramid oodles of times, haven't we? (What a timely Yoda quote! :laugh:)

To recap: the pyramid represents you. It's a work under construction, with four sides representing the four elements. Your magical work with the four elements gradually builds the pyramid, until one day it will be ready for the fifth element. The capstone of Spirit.

The Pyramid is a Phallic symbol. The words Pyramis and Phallus both equal 831. (ALPh ;)) The building of the pyramid is equivalent to the raising of the phallus.
I've already pointed out several connections between it's symbolism and the Middle Pillar in previous study threads not so long ago. It is symbolic of the connecting of Heaven and Earth.
I am not I. I am but an hollow tube to bring down fire from Heaven.
We are all capable of "bringing down fire from heaven" (spirit), but our ego-selves constantly get in the way and subvert the process. (? :() An ego not in line with the Will is a limp dick. ? Lift up thyself !
It may be useful to go back and read Gunther's explanation of the myth of Osiris. Pay attention to where the missing Phallus goes and reflect on why the HGA is referred to as the Solar Phallic self.

Hadit and Nuit can't unite unless you build your Pyramid and lift thyself up. !!!!!!!
Or in other words, be a Devil. })

Aeon418
19-10-2010, 20:25
How to find the missing phallus of Osiris?

V.I.T.R.I.O.L. (Atu XIV Art)

The hidden stone is equivalent to the Benben stone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben

IHShVH

IHVH - four elements, the sides of the elemental pyramid.

Shin - the Benben capstone.

Completed pyramid = Phallus.

Grigori
19-10-2010, 20:32
Eh?!!!! :confused: We've covered the building of the pyramid oodles of times, haven't we? (What a timely Yoda quote! :laugh:)

Yeah sure, but there are pyramids all over the bloody place around here, I though it would be good to make sure I was at the right one :laugh:

Aeon418
19-10-2010, 20:43
Yeah sure, but there are pyramids all over the bloody place around here, I though it would be good to make sure I was at the right one :laugh:
But is the connection between the building of the Pyramid and the finding of the lost Phallus clear now?

They are both different symbols pointing to the same Great Work.

Always Wondering
21-10-2010, 04:36
I like that AW, and it reminds me of something else also. Though yours is a more repectable pop culture reference than mine })


I consider Yoda perfectly respectable. ;)

AW

Grigori
22-10-2010, 23:39
But is the connection between the building of the Pyramid and the finding of the lost Phallus clear now?

They are both different symbols pointing to the same Great Work.

Thanks Aeon, that is useful. By working with the 4 elements, does this imply specific magical work, or the 4 elemental grades, or both (or something else altogether)?

It's interesting to me also that we start with the masculine pyramid/phallus as an active expression, and begin a journey towards the city of pyramids, which seems more a description of a passive, feminine, tomb/womb.

Better than a city of phalluses I guess, though flights to cities which fit that description are well priced at the moment ;)

Aeon418
23-10-2010, 00:39
Thanks Aeon, that is useful. By working with the 4 elements, does this imply specific magical work, or the 4 elemental grades, or both (or something else altogether)?
It's both. The building of the pyramid is a repeating pattern from beginning to end. A good example is the Neophyte and the Adeptus Minor Without of A.'.A.'.. Both are busy building and perfecting their elemental pyramids. But the scale is different in each case. The Neophyte, in Malkuth, is working with the microcosmic elements of him/herself. In due time this pyramid will be capped by the Vision of Adonai. The Adeptus Minor Without has repeated the same pattern, but on a more macrocosmic scale by going through the elemental grades. His/her pyramid will be capped by the K&C of HGA.

The Master of the Temple is different though. The previous steps were about building pyramids that needed capping by Spirit. The Master actually is the Capstone of a perfected Temple of Initiation. (Tomb/Womb)
It's interesting to me also that we start with the masculine pyramid/phallus as an active expression, and begin a journey towards the city of pyramids, which seems more a description of a passive, feminine, tomb/womb.
The Brothers of A.'.A.'. (Third Order initiates) are Women. (Tomb/Womb)

The Aspirants to A.'.A.'. (Below the Abyss) are Men. (Building the Pyramid)
Liber LXV
5:51 Let not the failure and the pain turn aside the worshippers. The foundations of the pyramid were hewn in the living rock ere sunset; did the king weep at dawn that the crown of the pyramid was yet unquarried in the distant land?
The Tent is a similar symbol. Being an OTO initiate that should ring a few bells for you. A few tents were incorporated into the Thoth designs. Lon gives one away on his version of the Lovers. Yes, the Hermit in the Thoth Lovers card is doing a bloody good Tent impression. As is the Hierophant and the andrgyne on the Art card. And we must not forget the Devil, who's been know to make a few Tents in his time :laugh: And yes, that was a referrence to the Middle Pillar (Paths 32+25+13=70) disguised as a smutty joke. })

Now take a look at that classic photo of A.C. giving the sign of Amoun 7=4. ;)

Always Wondering
23-10-2010, 04:13
Better than a city of phalluses I guess, ;)

Oh boy. That got my attention. :laugh: I fear I will be thinking in terms of punctuation all day.

AW

by zero
23-10-2010, 08:39
First of all this is "deem not of change" all over again.



Then:
death is fourbidden:
"Death! Death! [...] death. Death"
You have to die to the four worlds.

As an aside, in my mind this is supported by the Japanese shi, meaning
four
death


Moreover by overlaying verboten the clock is turned back to forboden, which almost seems to be a form of forebode.
Like it was always meant to be.





Now it becomes even more bizarre and obscure, stuttering and floundering in the face of Death,
proving again what a weird word and letter shuffler I am.
And don't you think I "believe" in any of this, because I'm not such a nutcase :D




Now that we have four,
unto thee
is close enough to one to three (1 2 3):
(w)unto th(r)ee
w + r missing
in Sepher Sephirot whe have

123
War (our hidden wr)
Mem-Lamed-Chet-Mem-He מלחמה

Pleasure, delight
Ayin-Nun-Gimel ענג


a holy war - with 231 close at hand - on holy ground.
(231, as we all know, being the number of combinations of the 22 letters with each other, forming the universe;
according to Bran O. Hodapp Lamed-Alef-Resh-Shin-Yod means "There are 231" in Hebrew,
while the reverse Yod-Shin-Resh-Alef-Lamed ישראל is - of course - Israel)


ah <chicken scratch> Death! Death!
=> aDD
Divide add
=> (lat.) ad D
multiply
=> DDdD

There is a text block (cf. here) (http://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0031.html?num=42) forming a 3x3 square with an empty center:

ah <...> Death
death.__Death
The length of
Moving into the center of this block we have th of death being 12, especially if you learned writing your numbers like this (http://www.christiansholm.info/fileadmin/files/schulleben/bild7.jpg).

12, where is the 3?
Looking for help, the eyes turn upward, where the parents always used to be.
A mirrored 3 in the chicken-scratch-ah leads to a 3 in the word joyous

and understand
=> joyous is directly written under an and, stands under it

Joy in Greek is Chi-Alpha-Rho-Alpha χαρα
wich can be transformed to the Hebrew Aleph-Resh-Caph ארך, meaning
to last long
long
length


And of course you have your !!s again, up and down.

Aeon418
23-10-2010, 09:29
death is fourbidden:
"Death! Death! [...] death. Death"
You have to die to the four worlds.
I wonder if another interpretation of "o man" could be Ayin man? According to Liber Arcanorum the Empress "ever seeketh seventy to her four". Seventy is Ayin, which is also related to the Sephira Chesed via the NOX signs. (Sign of Amoun)

In the same way that death is the climax of life, the grade of 7=4 (Adeptus Exemptus/Chesed) mirrors this by being the end of the Phallic initiatory process. There's only one thing left to do after 7=4. Jump into the Abyss. Or, using the sexual metaphor, ejaculate.

by zero
25-10-2010, 09:06
I wonder if another interpretation of "o man" could be Ayin man?
This is a cheap joke, but it could as well be "0 / none" then.
And it would better fit the following 123 in the text ...