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Lady Mary
12-06-2003, 08:03
If you just happen to run into a Magician type man, what can you possibly expect of such a relationship? What kind of woman would attract and fascinate him?
Sounds like a good question to do a reading on and post it on the 'your readings' section :O)
Personally speaking I would expect a silver tongue, and to be charmed off my feet. I may not expect for it to be total sincere though. Depends. Try a reading.
allibee
Like Allibee,
I think The Magician type would make you wonder what he wasn't telling you, what mysteries would he have, it could be enticing to try and learn his little secrets lol. The shadow side of the Magician/Magus is that he could be a know-it-all and take pleasure in deception.
But everybody has a negative side to them but I too suggest you do a reading and see what comes up. :)
I know a magician in real life.
He is drop dead gorgeous, he know all the right things to say - very fun to see girls and woman drewl all over the floor when they see him.
He lights the room when entering and makes everyone feel like they are the only one there and that he have the honor to be there with them.
Would he be a great husband, well - I think the woman able to live with a man like that, would have to be Empress her self.
He is very hard to figure out, to take seriously - a smoothtalker and a moonwalker.
Personally I don't think magicians would make great husbands, but then - maybe that says more of me than it does the magicians :P
Depends what you're looking for.
He'd make a great handy-man. Would never have to call in a plumber or an electrician again. Imagine all the money you'll save on bills.
Being an independent kind of guy, he'd probably leave you to be pretty independent yourself - so you wouldn't feel chained. But be warned: don't ask him to give up all his Saturday evenings to be with you. He'll want to go out and have fun with his friends.
He's got a nice sense of humour, and won't make mountains out of molehills.
If he matures nicely, he could be most pleasant to have around. If he doesn't mature, you may be stuck with a little kid for a husband.
temperlyne
12-06-2003, 09:42
hmm I'm a bit confused. What exactly would be the difference between a magician and a king of wands? The descriptions that were given could also point towards a king of wands in my opinion. Both are charismatic fot instance.
Hi,
The magician to me is a man who can do everthing, knows the tricks but needs to be the one doing them. Not the type to share the spotlite, his tools, or his knowledge...
If you were just dating, maybe thats ok, but could you live with a man like that?? OH NO.. I THINK I AM.....
One of the thing we have to remember, people are made up of all different parts, charactoristics. If his strongest card charactoristic is the magician and his underlying was the king of cups, then that's a little easier to handle. You would still have to be a very strong person to withstand some of the "I'll do it because I know how and you may get hurt"..believe it or not..that is verry close to what my hubby said when I told him I wanted to use the weed wacker....
NOW, combine the magician and the page of swords...and you get an arragant know it all, who THINKS he knows everything and is more likely to bring down the wrath of the Goddess instead of the Magickal energy he is seeking..
Always look beyond what the world sees. People are made of more than just one card...
Blessings,
CJ
divinerguy
12-06-2003, 10:57
Nope. The Magician is the guy with the $60 haircuts, a very smooth line, who promises to call, but never does.
Women love his approach, but he's as shallow as a Hollywood movie set, and he'll break your heart every single time.
His aspiration is not a long term relationship. Its a one night show, and then he hits the road. Sorry ladies.
Blue Override
12-06-2003, 11:05
Who wants to get married when she could party with the Magician?
All I'm sayin'. . .
Thirteen
12-06-2003, 15:02
Originally posted by Blue Override
Who wants to get married when she could party with the Magician?
All I'm sayin'. . .
LOL! Blue Override and Diviner Guy have it right, especially if your Magician is pure trickster. On the other hand, I'm married to a Magician--happily and successfully. If they're a little more conscientious, they can be faithful and even thoughtful.
The real question here, however, is not whether he'd be a good husband, but whether he's the kind of husband you want. To be his wife, you have to want/accept certain things:
1) You have to love seeing him in the spotlight--because that's where he'll be. Always. There's no stopping him from being the center of attention at parties. So you have a choice, be his partner in the spotlight (Queen of Wands), or be his partner behind the scenes helping him to secretly work the tricks (High Priestess).
On the plus side, when you're alone together, he'll always entertain you.
2) You have to love hearing him talk. He'll dominate the conversation. It's not that he won't let you talk, but you have to be happy being the back-up singer at dinners and gatherings.
On the plus side, he'll always win arguments for you. And convince people to do things for you--the Magician always gets star treatment at restaurants, always gets free drinks from bartenders.
3) You can't be threatened by his flirtations--and he is going to flirt. He'll charm, woo, and befriend other women. But I don't think the Magician is always the kind of guy Diviner Guy describes--he can be faithful if you're his real partner, the one he relies on. But he's still going to have women sighing over him, coming back stage to see him, and try to seduce him. Pointless to get worked up about it.
4) You have to like tricks, surprises, even chaos. This is not a man who's going to be home at 6:00 for dinner ever night, or even go to sleep when you do. He won't have a regular job, won't punch a time clock. He likes variety and surprises, not rigid order. There's no telling who or what he may bring home, what he's got planned. Life with the Magician is sometimes stressful, no question.
On the plus side, this is the man who WILL suprise you with a dozen roses or a trip to Paris--and its not even your birthday.
He is clever, he is magical--the most absurd, fortunate, synchronistic things happen to him. He's never dull--but do you want that? All the time? Most women don't--and as Blue Override points out are happier partying with him for a night then letting him go. But then, if he does ask you to marry him--how are you going to refuse?
in bed he should be quite fine for a husband.
At least that's how I fancy him. However, as I was never married to a "Maggician", I can't tell you for sure. All I know is that after years things can get boring in that department, and someone who's creative and lively might be able to handle it better.
Alex.
Originally posted by cjtarot
"I'll do it because I know how and you may get hurt"..believe it or not..that is verry close to what my hubby said when I told him I wanted to use the weed wacker....
Which of course from the smoothie Magician really translates as ... get off, that's my toy and only I get to play with it! LOL
A.
Too in love with himself.
HudsonGray
12-06-2003, 22:02
"What exactly would be the difference between a magician and a king of wands? The descriptions that were given could also point towards a king of wands in my opinion. Both are charismatic for instance."
I think the King of Wands is more on the me-me side, he'd expect to be entertained, not the one leading the entertainment at the party. The one who expects something to come to him. The Magician is the one who takes the challenge of going & getting it--smooth talker that he is. Both have charisma. They use it a little different. The Magician is more flamboyant too.
It's like my dad. Always trying to find a way to make money without having to work ... even if it means being disohnest. Starts out a business one day, fails the next ... then we got to move again, people in town are pissed at him... he owes everyone and pays no one.... Always comes up with great ideas, great plans, great immagination... Nothing gets done, people get hurt... A great entertainer (actually he was a stage Magician for several years) ...
Tells jokes like no one...
But his doings aren't no joke. Heavy duty, but in the end... he never got caught.
And, of course, he is an attorney as well.
Oh well.
Alex.
Originally posted by HudsonGray
"What exactly would be the difference between a magician and a king of wands?
what would a Magician knight of pents guy be like...can definatly see the magician side - he's loves being the center of attention, and has a way with words...but the knight of pents is throwing me...
Thirteen
12-06-2003, 23:05
Originally posted by XLCR
what would a Magician knight of pents guy be like...can definatly see the magician side - he's loves being the center of attention, and has a way with words...but the knight of pents is throwing me...
Okay, let's clarify:
Magician: Most important thing to remember about the magician is he LOVES to talk, loves to have ideas. Loves to charm and to trick. He wants applause. He's more politician than "King." Think King Claudius from Hamlet. He's patient, he's clever. He uses his brain and quick hands to trick people--he isn't going to pick up a sword and fight. He's going to talk someone else into killing his enemies for him--or resort to underhanded methods like poison.
King of Wands: Yes, he wants to be the center of attention too, and he has loads of charisma, but he wants to DO, not talk. When you think King of Wands, think Teddy Roosevelt--or getting back to Hamlet, Fortinbras. "CHARGE!!!!!" Impatient, hot tempered, and way too blunt to resort to trickery. You want something done right, you do it! You've got an enemy, you put on the armor and go out and you kill him on the battlefield! Peter the Great is another example of a King of Wands, building ships with his own hands and leading armies and such.
Knight of Pents: Wow. Completely different. Knight of Pents is humble, methodical, hard working. The salt of the Earth. This guy doesn't desire to be the center of attention--he wants to serve the kingdom, not rule it.
Indigo_lady
12-06-2003, 23:08
Some of us are masochist...
I always go for the Magician... I've gotten so good at it that I can spot them the minute I walk into a room full of new people
and I always end up heart broken
at least I've never told myself that I can change them
Thing is, they're witty, fun and mischevous.. and all those other things that Thirteen describe on her first post
and I like that
I love their imagination... although some people would disagree with me, it's a down to earth imagination (they're not out there dreaming about rivers of honey or saving the planet by making everyone vegetarian)... whether you like it or not, these boys when they are properly focused think *outside the box* and can be very successful at putting it into practice
that's sexy, and their arrogance is sexy (yess I'm totally sick...)
and how they stubbornly can pursue something is sexy too
I still have faith in them... they're all not necessarily conceited screw ups you know...
You need not be so negative about them (again, Thirteen's first post)
They can be amazingly selfish and too busy worshiping themeselves, but these boys are for me also the ones most capable of dealing and keeping up with modern gals...
(modern gals meaning independent, assertive, yet still sensitive and romantic women... u get the pic...)
Anyways.... in case you haven't noticed, I call them boys
Because that is what they will always be... :(
arghhhh I just had a scary thought Magician + Knight of Swords
Can't quite picture that.
Originally posted by Indigo_lady
arghhhh I just had a scary thought Magician + Knight of Swords
Lady Mary
13-06-2003, 09:17
A most unfortunate combination, to say the least. The Magician can make you laugh and feel comfortable, but Magician/Knight of Swords would hurt you and make you cry. And maybe he’d even enjoy seeing you in misery. He’d abuse his power whenever or wherever possible. Best advise is: RUN!
anjocoxo
13-06-2003, 11:22
Well, I have to admit that, having in mind everything thirteen said, the magician is exactly my kind of men.... I like surprises, I don't mind the stress, and I'm not bothered with his flirtation with other women.... that's because (and I have to admit) I exactly the same way... as I was reading the post, I felt someone was describing me!
Oh, well, people say the opposites are drawn together, maybe we wouldn't get along so well (image of an ex-boyfriend comes to my head... he was like that... didn't work... hummmmm)
Anjo
My boyfriend is my opposite, and we have been together for 5 years :D
Thirteen
13-06-2003, 14:49
Originally posted by anjocoxo I'm not bothered with his flirtation with other women.... that's because (and I have to admit) I exactly the same way... as I was reading the post, I felt someone was describing me!
Maybe that's because you're the Magician. I see no reason why the Magician should always be defined as male--especially as there's no equilivant female card (Queen of Wands is close, but there again, she's too fiery; not the cool charmer like our Magician).
Originially posted by Indigo Lady Anyways.... in case you haven't noticed, I call them boys
Because that is what they will always be...
You say that as if it's a bad thing ;) And, hey, yes, I know all about the Peter Pan syndrome and how obnoxious such sustained adolescence can be. And I certainly think men like Alex's father should NOT have childen, because, like self-centered little boys, they aren't responsible, and they don't think of anyone outside of themselves.
If the question is, how's the Magician as a dad?--ouch! Magician as husband is one thing, Magician as dad...the kids will love him and always have a playmate, but there's no relying on him as a provider or care-taker. Then again, perhaps I'm libeling the poor guy. He can be a sucessful and clever Doctor. Such a doctor would provide well for the kids--but likely not be around for them because he's always be attending dinners and parties in his honor.
On the other hand, I do prefer a youthful, playful, perpetually optimistic mate to the guys who are old before their time. The 30-somethings locked into joyless, cynical work routines because they see themselves as having responsibilities and being "the adult" (there's our Knight of Pents who can easily become a grumpy King of Pents). Once again, we come back to what kind of spouse is on the other side of that Magician. If the spouse is content to play "mom" and breadwinner, then the Magician is really no problem.
isthmus nekoi
13-06-2003, 17:11
Gee, I learned on Vertigo's Tarot, and the Magician there is a real geek type, so I've always carried that geek image w/me - the kind of person who can remember every little detail of whatever they are interested in, and this extreme curiousity/fascination. The guy in Vertigo's card is wearing very thick geek glasses and has an open book on his head - so I imagine any Magician flamboyance as geeks going out to roleplaying events (sorry for the stereotype). This in a way, is also a Peter Pan kinda thing perhaps.
Moongold
13-06-2003, 19:26
Well, I'm fascinated by this thread.
After all this time I see women projecting the same sorts of things on to the Magician as men do with Queen Swords and it opens the door a bit more on how to use the Courts.
It is partly about applying the qualities of Tarot characters to people but something a bit more profound than that too.
Like Isthmus, I hadn't seen the Magician in the same light. He's been more "magick" than "geek".
YOu mean Queen of Wands?
The Q of Swords ain't no trickster, she's just a woman who can think. And that is bothersome, I guess.
Alex.
Originally posted by Moongold
After all this time I see women projecting the same sorts of things on to the Magician as men do with Queen Swords and it opens the door a bit more on how to use the Courts.
Moongold
14-06-2003, 03:37
No Alex, I mean Queen Swords :)
There are more threads here about Queen Swords than any other character I reckon.
I don't see Queen Wands as a trickster but then I didn't see Magician as that either :D.
All about projections?
LittleWing
14-06-2003, 05:59
well what type of woman would be most suited to the magician??? - it would have to be someone who can see through his illusions and actions - knowing which were credible. a strong woman, confident and sure.
some one who put him on a pedistol, or saw him through rose coloured glasses may get swept up in the romance and charm - coming down to earth with a bump!!
but then would he be more suited to someone more submissive???
Thirteen
14-06-2003, 13:38
Originally posted by LittleWing
well what type of woman would be most suited to the magician???
As I mentioned, he needs either the Queen of Wands, or the High Priestess.
The Queen of Wands can share the stage with him; if they're at a party, she'll be her own center of attention and not feel neglected. She can match him in dinner conversation, and she can scare away any other woman who might try to hone in on her husband. And she'll make the Magician's ideas a reality--if she likes them, she's get to work on them and turn them into solid inventions.
The High Priestess is content to stay in the background and let her husband be the center of attention--she doesn't want to be seen. She's happy to work back stage to make his tricks come off flawlessly. And she loves listening to him. When he's off to parties, she's happy enough to remain at home with her books, and to hear all about the party from him when he returns. He is her window to the world. Also, the High Priestess is not going to be threatened by other women. She is the only one who can really understand and appreciate his ideas, and that keeps him coming back to her. And those ideas, which make such use of her knowledge, is what keeps her happy with him.
but then would he be more suited to someone more submissive?
Absolutely not! Neither would be any good for the other. If the woman isn't full of mystery and surprise, he'll wander away from her, again and again, or just take her for granted. She has to be strong enough to kick his *ss, and smart enough to stimulate his mind--and for the Magician to feel that HE stimulates her mind as well. He charms women by the score, that's easy. But only a woman clever enough to see though his tricks, while still being charmed by them, can be his true partner.
That's why the Queen of Swords is a no-go by the way. She'll see through his tricks easy enough--but she won't be charmed by them.
Moongold
Some think that's all there is to existance.
Sometimes I believe it, sometimes I don't.
Alex.
Originally posted by Moongold
All about projections?
Moongold
14-06-2003, 21:09
I had never thought of the Magician in the way this thread does but I see why people do. I just don't think of men in the same way :) My perspectives have been widened.
The Magician for me has always been a colleague of the High Priestess. I do see great connections and parallels between them, but also major differences. This more how I see him:
The Magician personifies the thinking One preceding the unborn idea, that unconscious instant between two conscious moments, that treasure trove of all that is visible and invisible. Around the Magician, a masculine centre, extends the feminine generative elements within which the creative can become differentiated; without differentiation the Eternal Being remains unmanifest.......
I suppose the trickster stuff comes in with the Magician's mastery of duality. The Magician confronts us with light and darkness, God and no-God, energy and form, spirit and body, intellect and emotions. I've always really admired these things about the Magician and forgot he was supposed to be masculine. :) I wonder whether men feel left out in discussions of the feminine archetype? This gender stuff is interesting.
But this thread is about potential husbands so I've digressed - my apologies.
Moongold
I think it's sometimes a good idea to differentiate between two ways of looking at the cards: as representing people and qualities of people, or as representing aspects of one's psyche.
Obviously both can match in description pretty close, even though the levels aree different. With this card, unfortunately, I have found the "psychological" approach to greatly differ from the "typological".
If I'm making sense here
Alex.
Lady Mary
15-06-2003, 04:33
I think the Queen of Swords could be the Magicians true mate. I see her as a very independent, clever and attractive (but surely not the common model type) woman. She’d know her man and her sharp mind would attract him. And he’s the sort of man who’d be able to break the ice and bring forward the sensuous woman in her. She can let him be the center of attraction, as she prefers knowledge to being on a stage. She wouldn’t be frightened by other women, as she’s way too smart for the usual jealousness. In my opinion they’re a most exciting and successful couple.
lunalafey
15-06-2003, 08:00
thread Q: "If you just happen to run into a Magician type man, what can you possibly expect of such a relationship? What kind of woman would attract and fascinate him?"
simply put, IMO, he is a 'make it or break it' kind of guy
my s/o has coyote medicine, the tickster....just last week (1st, new, Origins deck) he did 3- 3 card readings, each time the 3rd card was the Magician. This was NOT due to poor shuffling.
but even before this, I called him Magician because of the Coyote med & his self-sabotaging nature, BUT....he is a creator, no project is started & left undone.....they are always start to finish....
VARIOUS QUOTES:
I think the woman able to live with a man like that, would have to be Empress her self.
She's my Soul/Personality card
Depends what you're looking for.
He'd make a great handy-man. Would never have to call in a plumber or an electrician again. Imagine all the money you'll save on bills.
Being an independent kind of guy, he'd probably leave you to be pretty independent yourself
YES! it does depend on what you're looking for & who YOU are.
my guy fixes stuff & builds stuff. He's a Jack of all trades & master of none- except COOKING....who else in the Majors would be a chef?
Idependent....the above statement rings SO true, but I attribute this to both of us being Capricorn......
The Magician is the guy with the $60 haircuts
he is AWFUL!!!!- no hair cuts for him, but he's got champagne taste, even before looking at a price tag
here's where we got the biggest kick
I'm married to a Magician--happily and successfully. If they're a little more conscientious, they can be faithful and even thoughtful.
me too, sorta (no 'rings')
I'm feeling pretty happy with this one & I think this is it.
You have to love seeing him in the spotlight--because that's where he'll be. Always. There's no stopping him from being the center of attention at parties. So you have a choice, be his partner in the spotlight (Queen of Wands), or be his partner behind the scenes helping him to secretly work the tricks (High Priestess).
His goal, make a movie (has a few written, but they are not 'quite right' for production yet) & take Hollywood by suprise (this was one of his Q's for the 3 card reading, magician in future position)
Many see me as the QoW, but I also have that Lunar aspect about me. He says he wants to put me behind the camera, says I have a good eye for it....together we have started a screenplay of a mysterious genere.
On the plus side, when you're alone together, he'll always entertain you.......You have to love hearing him talk. He'll dominate the conversation.
he never shuts-up!!!....I have to glare at him when he interupts, he listens VERY well after that
this is hitting the nail on the head
the Magician always gets star treatment at restaurants, always gets free drinks from bartenders.
male & female bartenders both give him freebies. Packed, reservations full resturaunt? wander in, sit at the bar, get a free drink & before they are 1/2 way finished, there's a table for two.
You can't be threatened by his flirtations--and he is going to flirt. He'll charm, woo, and befriend other women. But I don't think the Magician is always the kind of guy Diviner Guy describes--he can be faithful if you're his real partner, the one he relies on. But he's still going to have women sighing over him, coming back stage to see him, and try to seduce him. Pointless to get worked up about it.
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She can let him be the center of attraction, as she prefers knowledge to being on a stage. She wouldn’t be frightened by other women, as she’s way too smart for the usual jealousness. In my opinion they’re a most exciting and successful couple.
Again, ya' have to be the right partner. It's not his fault that he's a people magnet. I trust him fully! He is comitted to me as well.
To add to the nature of the magician in a relationship, sticky issues are communicated right away because he can't hold it in. This is wonderful
I think the Queen of Swords could be the Magicians true mate. I see her as a very independent, clever and attractive (but surely not the common model type) woman. She’d know her man and her sharp mind would attract him. And he’s the sort of man who’d be able to break the ice and bring forward the sensuous woman in her......SO true! I noticed him, but it was he who made the first move. He took a long time (weeks), he was unsure about a bartender (me), but when he did get me to talk with him, it was all over!
the most absurd, fortunate, synchronistic things happen to him.
sounds like how we met & the events leading up to it! On a fool-like whim, added to his nomadic ways (his soul/per is chariot) He happened to land here in my humble part of the world. He had prayed for 'me' (I wished for him right around the same time).....he asked that 'it to be made obvious' I blew the poor boys mind!!!! the 'signs' where so big.....LOL...I still giggle at the memory of him circle-pacing, trying to absorb what he had just found & experienced.
Perhaps it depends on the size of the wand...
Thirteen
15-06-2003, 13:24
Originally posted by Lady Mary
I think the Queen of Swords could be the Magicians true mate. I see her as a very independent, clever and attractive... her sharp mind would attract him. And he?s the sort of man who?d be able to break the ice and bring forward the sensuous woman in her.
I have two reasons for thinking the Queen of Swords wouldn't work with the Magician:
(1) She's independent and clever--and not amused. How many Magicians do you know who are going to like having a wife who analyes and critiques every trick--instead of clapping their hands and smiling? If the Magician shows off a trick to the Queen of Swords, she'll say, as he does it, "Okay, now you've now put that coin up your sleeve and you're trying to make me look over there. I'm sure that'll amaze a lot of stupid people. Can we just stop this? I've better things to do."
And how long is she going to put up with his hot air ideas? She's going to poke holes in every one. "That's nice dear, here's what's wrong with it/Here's why it won't work." If he doesn't get tired of her, SHE will surely get tired of him. She's NOT a woman who likes little boys--epecially when they should be acting like reasonable adult men. That's why the Queen of Wands works instead--she likes the warm air breathing on her, keeping her flames going.
2) The Queen of Swords is going to get awfully tired--and very angry at him dominating the conversation. SHE likes to talk. She has all these theories and ideas--and their SOLID, based on science and reason. How long is she going to put up with this guy's "charm" upstaging her, stealing the conversation from her, undercutting what she has to say--likely even getting people to laugh at her when she want to be taken seriously?
isthmus nekoi
15-06-2003, 15:37
Hm... queen of swords won't be entertained by the magician for very long, unless she is repressing her swordsy nature. I can't see them happily married for the long term. I can see them doing the crossword together - they'd finish it in a snap and use pens.
Moongold - the Vertigo magician is a geek w/an obsession w/the divine. He doesn't bother to fetishize the d&d world and skips right to the hard core ^_~ V's Magician is heavily linked to the Hermit and the Hanged Man.
darwinia
15-06-2003, 16:41
Originally posted by Thirteen
That's why the Queen of Swords is a no-go by the way. She'll see through his tricks easy enough--but she won't be charmed by them.
Priceless, I give you a gold sword, this is SO exactly right.
Been there, been there.
J. Q of S
Thirteen
15-06-2003, 18:08
Originally posted by isthmus nekoi Hm... queen of swords won't be entertained by the magician for very long, unless she is repressing her swordsy nature. I can't see them happily married for the long term. I can see them doing the crossword together - they'd finish it in a snap and use pens.
LOL! Too right! I think the thing we have to remember is that we're talking about is a "Good Husband," a life partner. Remember, the Magician is always in the spotlight--and how can that be good for the Queen of Swords? Q/S is a woman with her own career to consider. Imagine an important talk she's giving--husband in the audience to support her? Nope. Magician is out entertaining friends. Imagine a dinner in her honor. Husband hogs the conversation, entertaining everyone, and suddenly it's his dinner--not hers! Imagine her introducing him to her respected and important collegues--and him saying, "Dr. Einstein! I've got this great idea for this invention, and if you'd just put your name to it, I know it'd sell...."
She'd die of embarassment. The Queen of Swords might be brainy enough for the Magician, but she's much too adult. She'll always be asking him why he isn't doing something serious with his talent, and he'll always be telling her to lighten up.
darwinia
15-06-2003, 18:25
Originally posted by Thirteen
The Queen of Swords might be brainy enough for the Magician, but she's much too adult. She'll always be asking him why he isn't doing something serious with his talent, and he'll always be telling her to lighten up.
I hate to comment superfluously, but this is priceless too. It was EXACTLY my experience with a Magician. Spot on, we would have strangled each other had we continued on the path.
Lighten up isn't in my vocabulary. ;-0))
Thirteen
15-06-2003, 18:28
Originally posted by freesiaskye
I hate to comment superfluously, but this is priceless too. It was EXACTLY my experience with a Magician. Spot on, we would have strangled each other had we continued on the path.
Lighten up isn't in my vocabulary. ;-0))
I take it this makes you a regal Queen of Swords?
Macavity
15-06-2003, 18:41
Originally posted by Lady Mary What kind of woman would attract and fascinate him?Based on one couple I know and the GD schema, maybe a Princess of Disks would fit the bill? I do know (were I female) HE would irritate the heck outta me, but somehow it works for them. She gets him ready each morning (sic), pushes him out the door and... then does her own thing! She probably organises payment of all the bills too? :P
Macavity
darwinia
15-06-2003, 18:47
Originally posted by Thirteen
I take it this makes you a regal Queen of Swords?
Indeed. There is a positive side to the archetype though.
This Magician thread is quite interesting. I only met one and we were just friends but talk about competition. The battle of the big egos or something.
I think as a friend he would probably be steadfast and interesting to hang around with now and then, but as a husband I really can't imagine it. I'm sure it does happen but it must be quite a strange mix to get right.
To work with--magic!! To live with--666 Strangulation Avenue.
Thirteen
16-06-2003, 00:47
Originally posted by Macavity Based on one couple I know and the GD schema, maybe a Princess of Disks would fit the bill? I do know (were I female) HE would irritate the heck outta me, but somehow it works for them. She gets him ready each morning (sic), pushes him out the door and... then does her own thing! She probably organises payment of all the bills too? :P
I keep jumping into this conversation--but only because it's such a good one!
I was thinking about the question of Disks, and yeah, maybe a Princess of Disks, because, as you say, she'd earn the money. But never a Queen of Disks ;) She's be like a nagging mother to our Magician. "Why can't you get a real job? There's an opening at my uncle's business....With your talent, you could be making so much money!"
Lady Mary
16-06-2003, 05:20
The Magician is No 1 in Tarot. In the RW deck he has all the tools to his disposition and the infinity sign over his head; one hand points to heaven, one to earth. To me this card or the person who is a Magician is IMO more than only a trickster or a cheap small-time crook with only hot air ideas. He is a man with great potential and he can be a very successful businessman. He doesn’t necessarily have to be someone who is always wasting his talents. He isn’t dull and boring and he has unusual and extraordinary ideas. So why shouldn’t he be able to turn them into reality. And why should the Queen of Swords always find a hair in the soup and criticize him? And why should he always spoil her dinner parties? I picture both of them way too smart to do such things (in a fate-like manner). They know what they have of each other. They won’t stick together all the time because they know how important it is to lead an own independent life – and both are very independent personalities. But when they’re together it can/will be a very intense relationship with deep love.
I agree with Lady Mary here. I think there has been a lot of sterotyping in this thread about the Magician (as well as the Queen of Swords).
The Bateleur, or if you prefer, the Magician, is quite a marvellous fellow. I get the impression many people only tend to see him with his "reversed" meanings.
As long as he learns to assume his responsibilities, which he is perfectly capable of doing, I think all could be well in the best of worlds with him as a partner.
And I certainly don't agree with the take that he could not be a good father. Any Tarot character can be a good father - it depends what one considers a good father to be, I suppose........
And a good husband also depends on what one considers to make a good husband.
Alex.
Lady Mary
16-06-2003, 07:37
He/she makes you smile and sing and laugh and dance. (Look into a mirror – and you’ll see it in your face!)
He/she’s capable of bringing forward the best in you.
He/she’s by your side when you need him/her.
But he/she’ll let you enough space and freedom to grow and develop an own life.
"A good husband is a good slave to me and my (our, or just a detail?) offspring!"
Alex.
Lady Mary
16-06-2003, 08:26
My god, how terribly boring to have a slave as a husband. I know some people seem to think that way. But isn’t it much easier (and in the long-run even cheaper) to just call the next plumber when your toilet needs to be fixed, or order a pizza from the pizza-shop across the street, when you’re in the mood for fast food? But when it comes to love I want a man, not because he’s a good worker, handy man, slave, provider, etc. (well, nice by-products maybe), but because he is the man I love and respect.
... the one who is my "Romeo, my wonder boy, my super champ, who takes me to the milky way on a holiday, ..." - even "when it's not my birthday".
darwinia
16-06-2003, 09:50
Originally posted by Diana
I think there has been a lot of sterotyping in this thread about the Magician (as well as the Queen of Swords).
Much of it done jokingly, but I guess if you don't get the joke.....
My reference to 666 was a private joke related to my friend's real name and nothing more.
Inflexible archetypes are senseless but it's interesting to note similarities to people's personalities and the archetype. It's also interesting when others uncannily pinpoint the outcome of putting two archetypes together.
Individuals being the unique sprites that they are, I would think reason would overcome the need to rigidly label a person as an archetype.
For some, speculation can be an amusing exercise in creativity though. Do you ever notice that if you say "Hermes" it sounds like someone wheezing with laughter?
Indigo_lady
16-06-2003, 10:14
Originally posted by Diana
I agree with Lady Mary here. I think there has been a lot of sterotyping in this thread about the Magician (as well as the Queen of Swords).
The Bateleur, or if you prefer, the Magician, is quite a marvellous fellow. I get the impression many people only tend to see him with his "reversed" meanings.
I agree with you both ...
as my mum used to tell me when I was small, don't worry they're just jelaous because you're having more fun ;) hhehehee
now another question, which if you guys consider interesting enough might start off another thread.
Since according to most of you the Magician is such a No-No (I disagree), which Major Arcana character would make the best husband then?????
See, if you ask me I would ask who is going to be the wife?
But since there are some traits that you guys consider basic in the ideal husband, who out of the Major Arcana would make the cut?????????
Originally posted by freesiaskye
Much of it done jokingly, but I guess if you don't get the joke.....
My reference to 666 was a private joke related to my friend's real name and nothing more.
I didn't even see your reference to 666.
The humour in this thread was quite visible to me. Possibly I missed out on some of the more hilarious jokes because some of the posts I read more quickly than others. But I will go back and read them all carefully.
firemaiden
16-06-2003, 12:54
See now, we are going to have to start a new thread, entitled, "If not the Magician, then who?"
And see, I would nominate the Knight of Cups. :) But he would have to be a Knight of Cups capable of also being a Magician, to start with, and then maybe a few dozen other Tarot Cards along the way :)
Oh.. and some want slaves for husbands. Hmmm, well I guess it would be nice to have a slave who is also a master })
isthmus nekoi
16-06-2003, 13:22
Originally posted by firemaiden
Oh.. and some want slaves for husbands. Hmmm, well I guess it would be nice to have a slave who is also a master
THe Devil.
Give me the Lightbringer anyday ^_~
LittleWing
16-06-2003, 15:29
ok ...... i have started a thread, inspired on this one .....
which king would you marry??
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15148
Thirteen
16-06-2003, 20:41
Originally posted by Lady Mary So why shouldn?t he be able to turn them into reality. And why should the Queen of Swords always find a hair in the soup and criticize him? And why should he always spoil her dinner parties? I picture both of them way too smart to do such things (in a fate-like manner). They know what they have of each other.
You're certainly free to disagree and feel otherwise--but please don't misunderstand. Smarts has nothing to do with it. The smartest people in the world can ruin a marriage. We're talking personality. We're also talking about a good marriage. The Q/S is, by nature, fairly cool in personality. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be the Queen of Swords. That's what these cards are all about. Not sterotypes but Archtypes. And the Q/S archtype is that of the cool, focused, dignified, super intelligent, very adult and very in control woman. Can she love? Certainly. But she's going to show it in HER own way--if you could "melt" her, or make her show her love demonstratively she would not be who she is. Just as the Magician is who he is--playful and wild, brilliant, charming.
Speaking of which, you say the Magician "doesn?t necessarily have to be someone who is always wasting his talents." I'm sorry, did I say that? You will remember, I'm married to a Magician. And that is the LAST thing I would ever say. My husband is one of the smartest, most creative men I know, and I'd never, for an instant, say he was wasting his talents.
But I know women who would and have said it. Women who don't understand why he isn't using his intelligence in a more focused and reliable manner--like working in a lab, or at a 9-to-5 business, etc. A lot of these women are Queen of Sword types. They enjoy my husband's company just fine, have great discussions with him, match wits with him. But he's NOT WHAT THEY WANT IN A HUSBAND. The one question I always get asked by these women--"Is he like that all the time?" And they shake their heads. "That would drive me crazy."
Because he's never quiet or still--and I don't mean talking, I mean personality. He's a LOUD personality. He's out and about, he's surrounded by others, he's coming up with a million ideas--and he doesn't always follow through with one idea before he's onto a new one. The Queen of Swords wants and needs a man of focus. He can do his own thing, certainly. But she wants that "point" at the end. Don't get me wrong, the Magician DOES have a point, always. But it's not always evident, nor will it remain the same as he develops it--and that could drive the Queen of Swords crazy.
Also, the Queen of Swords isn't one who likes to play. That's just not her. Nothing wrong with it. She's dignified. She's adult--and she wants her mate to be the same. The Magician is playful, and he's going to be hurt if his wife won't play with him--not all the time, but a LOT.
If the Queen of Swords can't give him that, can't give him a LOT of attention, a LOT of her time, a LOT of play, then she's not a good wife for him. And if he creates a lot of chaos in her life, keeping her from her focus and dignity, then he's not a good husband for her. Simple as that. Doesn't mean they can't be friends, can't like or even love each other. But as so many divorced couples will tell you, love, however intense, isn't always enough. You have to be able to give the other person what they need. If they feel they can only get things done, are only themselves, their REAL selves when they're not with you...then you don't really have a very good relationship, do you?
But you seem to really identify with the Queen of Swords--do you really feel that she's you're alter ego? And are you happily married to a Magician?
OH NO
The magician is always busy full with excuses.....
lousy husband [I know believe me]
Celtic_Dragon
22-06-2003, 01:02
I honestly don't know how a magician can be all that bad. I was raised by one and I'm about to marry another. My father is a slight smooth talker, fun at parties, and does ocasionaly steal the spotlight and definately a mr. fix-it. We love tossing jokes back and forth, hair, height, age, weight you name it we'll insult it. So I guess that puts a little magician in me then huh? Well, anyways...my fiance' has that new quick easy money idea in his head just about every day, that and his talents are just the jack-of-all-trades kind also. Oh and if spontanitiy was an album he'd be going platinum. Flowers because I'm sad, flowers b/c I'm happy, b/c I'm sick, b/c I got a new job, just b/c....love letters b/c we broke up, letters b/c we're back together, letters because it's our anniversary....
Oh and as to what kind of person that could deal with it, moon. I'd have to be crazy to be raised by a magician & want to marry one :D. and for the most part it's been wonderful, just as long as a certain in-law stays out of it. What card would best describe a helpless, needy person who just has to be in control??
Red Emma
24-06-2003, 11:49
Fascinating thread, however... I'm really surprised by the prevailing concept of the guy/gal. So I thought to bump up the thread in preparation for posting an entirely different outlook.
I'm not sure the magician would make a good spouse...s/he'd be too busy going about her work -- straightening out the Universe.
Goddess Bless,
Red Emma
mahimaisme
08-04-2006, 07:15
hello.
if the magician representing a woman, what kind of husband would she need?!
hoping for interesting insight,
mahima.
mahimaisme
08-04-2006, 07:20
OMG!
i'm starting to LOVE the magician!!!
hello.
if the magician representing a woman, what kind of husband would she need?!
hoping for interesting insight,
mahima.
Um ... none:)
I have the Magician as my soul card - and I made a lousy wife, three times over. I was the who ended the marriages ...
Changeable, always on the move - even when staying oin one place, not remotely domestic, eccentric, easily bored with routine .... presumably one can apply these characteristics somewhat for Magician husband material - with the odd gender variation. Oh, and did I mention 'odd'??? :D
mythos:)
Would you want to be married to Jack Kennedy?
You love him or hate him depending on what he's done to you lately. If he's paying attention to you, he'll have you swooning, but he leaves a trail of devastation and broken hearts. He's a charming scoundrel. If you don't mind the mistresses... just look at what a life Jackie O. had, sound good?