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punkangelgcm437
13-07-2003, 04:39
Have yall heard about the new planet NASA discovered? I was watching the news (I know..amazing. They had something interesting that wasnt depressing)...and they showed that they found it waaaay out there somewhere. They said that the planet is in Scorpio is being held in place by 2 stars...and one of them was a white dwarf. I don't remember the stars' names' but I know they said that.

Anybody else have any more info??

Yay it's in Scorpio! Another one of my fave signs LOL.

~Much Love~
~Sarah~

isthmus nekoi
13-07-2003, 04:43
No, I haven't heard of it yet... Sometimes I wish these ppl would stop finding more asteroids and planets - I already have too many to deal with now lol!!

p.s. It's a fave sign of mine, too :)

Minderwiz
13-07-2003, 05:46
I don't think you need to worry about having to incorporate it into your system Isthmus. :)

The planet exists but it is not part of our Solar system. It orbits a star 5600 light years away and has absolutely no Astrological significance.

Yes it is in the constellation of Scorpius but this is NOT the zodiac sign of Scorpio, whether you use the Western Tropical Zodiac or even the Eastern Sidereal zodiac. There is a great difference between the Zodiac of Astrology - 12 equal signs of 30 degrees each - and the observable 'constellations, which are neither the same size, nor are continuous (they often overlap).

Incidentally from our point of veiw it will remain in the constellation of Scorpius - it will not fulfill the basic requirements of a planet - the ability to 'wander'

DarkElectric
13-07-2003, 06:29
No, it's trapped now. It is important to scientists, though, because chronologically, it's one of the oldest ones ever discovered, if not THE oldest.
It was apparently dragged from it's orbit, and is now stuck between stars.

However, it's discovery is causing a stir among cosmologists. This strongly suggests that there may have been an Earth like planet, (or more than one) possibly cabable of sustaining some kind of life, in the initial solar system this poor, wandering gas giant was once part of.

bluestar
13-07-2003, 11:17
well this sort of thing tickles me... I am interested in the fixed stars (and trying to begin integrating them into my understanding of my/others natal charts......which I am finding fascinating...!)

In my generallll understanding, new discoveries point to energies which are ready to be brought into consciousness?

And it does get my interest that if it did break off from another potentially life sustaining system and to get stuck in our sign of the underworld!

I will have to listen to some news, but if anyone knows which stars it is stuck to I would love to find out!

punkangelgcm437
13-07-2003, 14:07
Bluestar...
I read on NASAs website that it's somewhere around M4 (I have no idea what that is...but it might mean something to you).

***Warning Strong Opinons Below***

Ah-ha yes...I remember...it doesnt move...meaning probably not a big thing for astrologers. The only way I could see it being important is if it was aspected with another planet in someones' chart. I guess it's more valuable to scientists...trying to figure out how our universe happened. Why cant they study something you can find the anwser to...like AIDS or Cancer (disease not sign lol)...I mean...dude. No-one knows how our universe formed and I think I'd rather cure some deadly disease than spend my life lookin at therorys that will never be solved. Psh...if I only I had some sort of leadership power...

**Note to everyone...sorry if I offended anyone...and hopefully I wont get my a$$ kicked for doggin on those people.**

~Much Love~
~Sarah~

HudsonGray
13-07-2003, 15:08
Last I'd heard, astronomers were able to find & verify at least 65 gas giant planets so far, based on how the sun wobbled & actions of gas clouds nearby mostly, though they do have images of some of them. This was about 2 years ago, so I'm sure there's been more added to it.

Not sure if I'd read that in Discovery magasine or National Geographic or Smithsonian, but it was a reputable magazine.

I found this dated July 11th --- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030711/ap_on_sc/ancient_planet_5

bluestar
14-07-2003, 06:17
Thanks so much for the info and the link.
...and I'll keep you posted if it leads me to a cure for world hunger and disease! lol! I feel as passionately about the excessive attention given to sport in the news.

truthsayer
14-07-2003, 06:58
punkangel(sarah), you didn't bother me but i thought i would share my opinions why more people aren't into medical research.

i suppose the reason that some people choose to study the stars instead disease goes back to personal interests--we are free to choose whatever occupation that truly interests us. there have also been discoveries from studying space that have helped other areas of science. (can't think of one at the moment but i know there are some! LOL)

if the government assigned careers instead of individuals choosing, i suppose we could have more researchers in medicine but there'd be some vocationally frustrated people who'd rather be studying the stars. medical science is a very demanding career choice and requires a level of personal commitment that not everyone is capable of doing.

i have a vocational aptitude that i could succeed in nursing but my aptitude in the arts is the highest. so i tried nursing and hated it! then i went into the arts. i love it but compared to nursing, the arts is a useless career. i would be very unhappy being a nurse even though i would be doing something more purposeful to humanity. i'm happy that i have the freedom to choose the career right for me. life is good. :)

moderator, sorry if this is slightly off topic. it's fine if you need to move or delete it.

bluestar
14-07-2003, 07:13
I dare say that there would probably be info on medical research connected to space research on the nasa site, if you click on the link given by HudsonGrey above! I was there just before and there was articles on bones, bacteria, viruses... perhaps something to suggest their work includes things relevant at ground level too!
Btw there was an interesting article on the "definition" of life there...sorry to stray from the topic!

Moongold
14-07-2003, 07:16
It's a really interesting discussion in the context of astrology as a map of our lives and the choices we make. A way of understanding everything and using our talents and opportunities to the max.

Space science has impacted on medicine in profound ways. Some of the technological discoveries have influenced surgical and medical eqipment, for example. There are probably others that I can't think of right now :)

And art and literature are really important to people who are ill as well - for pleasure, learning and therapy.

And isn't interesting that two of the most optimistic cards in tarot are the Sun and the Star.

punkangelgcm437
14-07-2003, 08:37
I am totally sorry for the the somewhat offensive thing I said.

I understand that it all is on personal preference...but I just think it's sad we can find out we have a 13 billion yr old planet out there but we can't cure aids yet. So many more people care about AIDS than our universes' formation.

Personally myself, if I had to choose...I'd wanna help the world cure diseases that are killing people every day. And so many of them are innocent victums.

But medicine does involve some serious commitment to helping people...and altho I care about the world and wanna help as many people as I can...I dont think doing stuff involving blood is my cup of tea (I hate seein people bleed...freaks me out).

I suppose my opinons aren't gonna change anything...since I can't make people wanna do medical sciences. And I probably dont have any room to talk since I wanna do something artist-like when I grow up too.

Sorry for such a controversal post...but I was always outspoken.

~Much Love~
~Sarah~

isthmus nekoi
14-07-2003, 10:34
Oh punkangel, we know you didn't write that to offend anyone ^_^ If I recall, you have Mars in Virgo? THis is a good placement for *taking action* towards helping others.

truthsayer
14-07-2003, 11:18
punkangel, i wasn't offended. i just wanted to offer a different way of looking at things. indeed it is frustrating that more isn't done to resolve human problems. i worked in human services for 12 years. i worked hard to help my clients but it was only one me against hundreds of them. there's loads of human suffering out there. more than i can humanly bear. i had to change vocations.

but you are new to the world's problems. have you thought about what you can do to make a difference? it sounds like you have the passion and compassion to go into medicine or some similar field. best wishes and blessings to you. so many worlds for you to discover out there.(((((((((punkangel)))))))

punkangelgcm437
14-07-2003, 12:27
Isthmus...I indeed have Mars in Virgo. I also have Mars squaring my Rising/Ascendant (sag). I'm glad none of yall are offended...sometimes I get so passionate and caught up in what I say I forget that I might hurt someones' feelings. ::huggles Isthmus::

Well..as for now...I think taking care of my dad is enough on my plate. When he gets feelin better...we'll tackle the world.

::huggles Truth:: I honestly dont know what I wanna do in life...since I'm so young and junk. I never thought of medicine as my field (the whole blood thing...plus u gotta be super-smart). And Truth, I think if you read more of my posts. you'll see that I have a passion for everything. I'm either totally in it or totally out. I dont really know where that comes from...I guess I'll attribute it to all the fire I have (I'm prettymuch have fire, half air, with alil water and earth in me).

But one of my goals is...if I ever get lots of money...is that I wanna donate some of it to a AIDS foundation so they can cure it. That's part of the reason why I wanna get rich...so I can share it. I actually made a list of all the things I wanna do in life. I think everyone should try it.

~Much Love To Yall~
~Sarah~
**Edited to hug**

Minderwiz
14-07-2003, 18:38
Punkangel - I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments - at a human being level finding a cure for Aids is far more important than finding a wandering gas giant - your post was a fair comment.

Astrologically this planet is unimportant indeed irrelevant. Firstly because Astrology is geo-centric and based on the ideas of spheres around the Earth - the Moon, Mercury, Venus, through to Saturn all have their spheres - beyond Saturn is the Spheres of the Zodiac and the fixed stars and beyond that the sphere of the divine.

Arguably Astrology works through light - The Sun and Moon are the luminaries, the other planets in turn reflect light. When there ability to reflect is low then they are weak. The Sun and Moon are weak when eclipsed, planets are weak when they are combust (within 8 degrees or so of the Sun). Therefore what sheds little or no light is insignificant.

Also this planet does not move from an Earth perspective (at least in anything like a reasonable human time frame). It will alwaysapprear to be in the same direction it is now because of the huge separation in distance. If it were a very bright star then it might have Astrological significance - Astrologers use certain fixed stars (though I believe they are all in the plane of the zodiac). Instead it is a curiosity of science but it is not a curiosity of Astrology.

Minderwiz
14-07-2003, 18:38
Punkangel - I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments - at a human being level finding a cure for Aids is far more important than finding a wandering gas giant - your post was a fair comment.

Astrologically this planet is unimportant indeed irrelevant. Firstly because Astrology is geo-centric and based on the ideas of spheres around the Earth - the Moon, Mercury, Venus, through to Saturn all have their spheres - beyond Saturn is the Spheres of the Zodiac and the fixed stars and beyond that the sphere of the divine.

Arguably Astrology works through light - The Sun and Moon are the luminaries, the other planets in turn reflect light. When there ability to reflect is low then they are weak. The Sun and Moon are weak when eclipsed, planets are weak when they are combust (within 8 degrees or so of the Sun). Therefore what sheds little or no light is insignificant.

Also this planet does not move from an Earth perspective (at least in anything like a reasonable human time frame). It will alwaysapprear to be in the same direction it is now because of the huge separation in distance. If it were a very bright star then it might have Astrological significance - Astrologers use certain fixed stars (though I believe they are all in the plane of the zodiac). Instead it is a curiosity of science but it is not a curiosity of Astrology. :)

HudsonGray
15-07-2003, 05:27
I don't get upset about where research is going--remember each person doing the research is following their strongest interests. If that's astronomy where you want to chart dark matter & see across half the galaxy to find just how many planets you CAN see, that's great. If your forte` is robotics, that can have you trying to design artificial intelligence based on insect learning, or help for the handicapped, or whatever, it's not wasted time. If it's in the medical field, you follow where the strongest feel for research leads you.

The trick is to get more people interested in the medical field so they can focus on the needs there, but I'd not cut down any findings in alternative fields--look at what NASA has started that ended up in the average Joe's hands--we benefited in the last 30 years from teflon, pens that write while upside down, power tools with magnetic tips, ultra thin flexible metal type survivor blankets, etc. There's a certain amount of trickle down that often ends up in totally different uses from what it was intended.

Research, yes. Focus--encourage your kids to enter fields where they can be the most benefit for health, if that's where you want to see improvements. But embrace the other discoveries too, you never know where they'll side track to.

bluestar
20-07-2003, 18:11
I looked up M4 and found this from:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/a480502
M4 - Located near the star Antares in Scorpio, this globular cluster shines at magnitude 5.6. In very dark skies it can be visible to the naked eye. One of the nearest globular clusters, it is another fine target for binoculars or a small telescope.
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So it seems this planet got pulled in nearish to the heart of the Scorpion (Antares).
The effect of the discovery seems to be very Scorpio!
I find it interesting with the apparent scientific stir this discovery has caused, that it is transforming commonly held theories re. what are the qualities of systems which may sustain earth - like life, and how old are things really etc.
If anyone is interested in looking up the chart of this stuck -planets' sighting, I am interested in any comments you may have!