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Althea Nokomis
04-08-2011, 04:01
There is one you tube video that I love to watch where a querent taped his reading. The reader uses the Morgan Greer deck, which is where I fell in love with that deck and it is now my favorite, but he also uses several stones along with his spread, which I also love, by the way. It is a 21card Celtic cross. I really would want to find out which stones he is using and what they represent. I researched crystals and stones, but only came up with some that are good for divination like jet, amethyst, aquamarine, azurite, quartz, moonstone, obsidian, opals and tiger's eye. Could someone take a look at the video and see if you can tell what he is using? It is under Tarot Reading part 1 and 2 by Svengali...thanks so much. That man is quite the showman by the way...

cardlady22
04-08-2011, 04:12
svengalie

I didn't turn on the sound, but the lighting doesn't make it very clear. The black (on top center) could be jet or obsidian. The red (atop other stack) could be a jasper or mahogany obsidian. My screen makes it look mottled.

RexMalaki
04-08-2011, 09:19
I agree with Cardlady on the stones, and the ones you researched should do quite well...add some Amber and Pyrite to keep the energy clean...

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQkkcKAbxR4

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX6oMFtA9qU&feature=relmfu

thanks for mentioning the video!

celticnoodle
04-08-2011, 09:31
I only saw one stone on the cards, and to me it looked like a jet crystal or perhaps even an onyx. I didn't see any others.

I do put crystals out on the table that I do my readings on. I have a set of raw amethysts that are put out, as amethyst is calming and meditative, putting me into the right mode for reading. it is also suppose to help with intuition and is known as a protective stone, especially during spiritual work.

I have a jet stone also for protection and an onyx which not only protective but also helps to keep you from feeling drained. A citrine to help me have a successful day while reading, and it also will remove negative energies and increase confidence. Moldavite, that I wear on a chain, to also increase my psychic abiltiies and enhance my tarot readings. It works well with the amethyst and citrine too, so I've read. though, I've found I cannot wear this stone for long, or it gives me terrible head aches.

Also a malachite stone that is really interesting looking. The malachite stone that I have is elongated and flat on one side. at the narrower end, it has a large black dot, that makes this stone look like a fish and the black dot, it's eye. The moment I saw this stone, i had to have it! malachite is also a protective stone and it brings success as well. It also absorbs negative energies.

So, I imagine the stone used in these videos is used as a protective stone during the reading. though, since I'm not sure what the stone is, this is only a guess on my part.

cool videos! thanks for sharing. :)

Althea Nokomis
04-08-2011, 10:16
Thanks guys for the great info. In the first video he has about 6 or 7 stones off to the side and uses several to place on top of the three piles of 10 cards. I was thinking maybe it is some kind of placeholder for the reader as well.

I use amethyst and clear quartz with my deck and keep them out when I am working with my cards but just love the manipulation he does with all of those stones. He could just be pure showman and that is part of a parlor act but I just love watching him and listening to his reading.

Celticnoodle that "fish" stone sounds awesome! Great find.

Rev_Vesta
04-08-2011, 11:35
Hi in using Crystals with tarot readings..... I tried mixing my RWS deck with my Crystal Divination kit using 12 crystals....

Amethyst-transfornation
Aventurine-Expansion
Gold Tigers eye- Protection
Rose quartz-Reconcillation
Clear quartz-Clarification
Blue Lace Agate-harmonization
Snowflake obsidian-Illumination
Hematite-Pre-ordination
Pearl Quartz-Purification
Unakite-Unification
Red Jasper-Manifestation
Citrine-Inspiration....

using them with the cards give another level to the reading....
These are just small tumbles......

This worked incredibly.......

have fun.....

Re his use of crystals with the cards seem to be holding down the centre ones only.......maybe they were to be used if windy.........

digi162
04-08-2011, 12:54
The blue stone he has sitting off to the side looks a lot like lapis lazuli to me.

GryffinSong
04-08-2011, 13:53
All I could focus on was the crappy condition of his cards. I know a lot of people like a deck to look used, but c'mon ... they looked like trash. Ok, ok, I know that sounds harsh, but it made it seem as if they weren't cared for. I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes of the reading. He bugs me, and his card condition bugs me.

As for stones, all I saw was the black one in the center and I have no clue why he used it. It didn't seem to add anything to the reading at all that I could see.

Yeah, I was underwhelmed.

Althea Nokomis
04-08-2011, 13:59
OMG...I just rewatched the first part again for the 100th time, maybe it is because the house is completely quiet while kids are sleeping, I don't know, but I heard something I never heard before. He just explained the type of reading he was going to do and asked the querent to think about his life issues while he shuffled...THEN...he took the first dark stone, gave it to the querent, and asked him to look into the stone and concentrate on the same issues. He then placed that stone on top of the first pile of 10 cards the querent chose. He then placed a second rock on the next pile of 10 cards.

Isn't that just like tarot...you pick up on things you never noticed before?!

Cool...

celticnoodle
04-08-2011, 16:47
All I could focus on was the crappy condition of his cards.

yeah, I noticed that too, but then in the comments after the first part, it was mentioned that there had just been a horrendous down pour and the cards had gotten wet. So, that is the reason why they looked that way.

Althea Nokomis, I didn't notice any other stones save the one dark one (I think black) on top of the center cards. I also didn't notice him having the client hold it or anything! I never saw much of anything being done with that gemstone other then to hold the cards in place. I'll have to go look at it again myself!

Althea Nokomis
04-08-2011, 21:05
I know, the condition of the cards still bothers me. The reader says it is damp in his little wagon but I know I would never let my deck get so abused looking. I don't know, there is just something about this reader that draws me in, card condition or not.

I watch it on full screen and that is when I notice all of the other stones he has with him.

I was thinking maybe he uses the first stone as some readers use a "Significator"....to focus on during the process and then he applies that focused stone to the first main 10 cards used in the spread...

I never liked the idea of taking a card from the deck to use as a Significator because it seems to me that you are then changing the odds of that card being drawn during the reading. I think I like the use of the stone as such, a tool to get the querent, and reader for that matter, to concentrate and stay focused on the question at hand. So far I have used a candle for that purpose but the stones intrigue me and I must research further.

Just thinking out loud here...

Althea Nokomis
05-08-2011, 13:31
Ok I love this description of Black Obsidian:


"Product Description
Obsidian is used as a grounding and centering stone. Hold in your hand to help bring your focus back to the real world. It is also often used in protective rituals. Obsidian has been used for centuries for scrying. Staring into the blackness can help empty ones mind and allow access to ones sixth sense."

I am guessing that is the first black stone he uses. I like that.

Ok, I know. Enough already. I will Stop obsessing and move on.

Bhavana
05-08-2011, 14:26
Very interesting...and those cards were amazing. Definitely some major water damage, but the cards were probably pretty old and beat up in the first place. You'd think someone who reads for a living would have a few extra decks around.

I have been to these types of readers before, especially when I was much younger and knew nothing about the cards. These readers all have a style, pizzazz, a game going - and typically, after a reading, they would tell me something like someone who was jealous of me had put a spell on me and that for the low low price of $200 they would be happy to burn some candles and do some other crap to remove the spell.

celticnoodle
06-08-2011, 00:16
oh yes, I also have come across tarot card readers who mentioned and wanted to sell me a 'potion' to help take away some curse, alleviate the jealousy of a person around me, light a candle in my name to bring those riches that were there for me, blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:

I knew right from the get go that this was a scam and I would never go back to those readers again. Unfortunately, I did have a friend who was scammed, even tho I tried to tell her that was all foolish and not to be sucked in by it. She was scammed out of a lot of money, before she came to me in tears as a result of it. I finally convinced her to stay away and to stop giving this woman money and not long afterwards, wasn't this woman arrested for just that! She had apparently scammed many people out of a lot of money---and arrested and sent to prison as a result.

However, years later.........I see she is now out of prison and back in the practice of divining. makes me wonder if she is still scamming too...............

Althea Nokomis
06-08-2011, 03:12
Rev Vesta, thanks a lot for the crystal info. I am now going to have to add a crystal divination kit to my repertoire!

What do you think of this selection of stones/crystals:

Moonstone:calming energy, strengthen intuition and psychic perception and I am a Scorpio which I read it corresponds with, plus I have a love for the moon

Black obsidian: grounding, centering scrying stone

Apatite: Product Description
These are lovely pieces of Tumbled Apatite, with vibrant blue color.* Metaphysically, Blue Apatite can help open up psychic gifts and connect the user to higher levels of spiritual guidance.* Use Tumbled Apatite to deepen and maintain focus in meditation.

Apatite enhances manifestation of ideas to reality and facilitates getting results, and has traditionally been associated with humanitarian efforts and teaching.* As a Third-Eye Chakra Crystal, Apatite can initiate or increase the development of psychic abilities, such as clairvoyance and clairaudience.* Meditation with an Apatite Crystal on the Third-Eye Chakra can open this chakra up to more subtle vibrations. * Apatite is also known for bringing clarity of mind and expansion of insights, and is especially helpful when diligent study is needed to uncover the truth.

Golden Yellow Apatite
Golden Apatite is a learning stone. Meditate with it to clarify your purpose in life, and assist in the strength to follow it. This is a fire element stone that is helpful in the starting of new adventures, overcoming fears and seeing a project through from its mental concept to physical manifestation. Solar Plexus Chakra stone.

Blue Apatite
Apatite is most often seen in blue, but also can be found in brown, pink, yellow, green (from Spain called asparagus stone) and a rare variety of violet.

Apatite is an inspirational stone. It develops psychic abilities and spiritual attunement. Use it to aid communication and self-expression.

Encourages extroversion
Dissolves alienation
Draw negativity from oneself
Stimulates creativity and intellect
Clears confusion

That sounds like a perfect stone to have on hand for readings.

Apache tear: amplifies magical power

Aquamarine:enhances psychic powers, calm and soothing

Azurite: increases psychic powers

Plus amethyst like you posted


I really like the post from another forum where someone went for a reading and was told to choose a stone from a dish that they could keep with them. That might be a good way for the querent to have a keepsake from their reading and keep them thinking about what was said??

Althea Nokomis
06-08-2011, 03:23
I completely forgot to mention a spell box I made not long ago to use when I work with my cards. I got the idea from one of Scott Cunningham's books. It contains many crystals that Celtic Noodle mentioned as well:

I followed his "recipe" for a psychic spell box. It contains the following:
Several herbs, such as lemon grass,cloves, nutmeg, and orange peel
These you infuse with your intention of being more open to your intuitive nature

Next there are amethyst, aquamarine, citrine and quartz crystals. Same thing...charge them with the intent of using them for divination,

A small bottle of pure spring water...I used water collected during a storm on the full moon at Midsummer

There are chants that you say to complete the box and a candle to burn to fully "charge" the box...when you open the box during a reading you say..."conscious mind is now blind...psychic mind is now mine"

It is a good way of getting in the mood and grounding before a reading.

Rev_Vesta
07-08-2011, 11:22
I believe any crystals you wish to add to your own kit is perfect......with Crystal Divination there is no right and wrong, only what works for you....... just as in working with Crystals and tarot.......in a reading..... it can make incredible depth within the reading...... have fun with it all.....

Kelly-Ann
08-08-2011, 13:59
All I could focus on was the crappy condition of his cards. I know a lot of people like a deck to look used, but c'mon ... they looked like trash. Ok, ok, I know that sounds harsh, but it made it seem as if they weren't cared for. I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes of the reading. He bugs me, and his card condition bugs me.

Haha! I laughed when the querent mentions that they're wet. Ugh, when you have damp cards it's time to part with a bit of cash for a new deck.

I've seen this reading before. I found it to be of quite poor quality. I liked the use of stones - that was a great touch, but the meanings are so generalised. There's nothing specific there at all.

Bhavana
09-08-2011, 02:35
Rev Vesta, thanks a lot for the crystal info. I am now going to have to add a crystal divination kit to my repertoire!

What do you think of this selection of stones/crystals:

Moonstone:calming energy, strengthen intuition and psychic perception and I am a Scorpio which I read it corresponds with, plus I have a love for the moon

Black obsidian: grounding, centering scrying stone

Apatite: Product Description
These are lovely pieces of Tumbled Apatite, with vibrant blue color.* Metaphysically, Blue Apatite can help open up psychic gifts and connect the user to higher levels of spiritual guidance.* Use Tumbled Apatite to deepen and maintain focus in meditation.

Apatite enhances manifestation of ideas to reality and facilitates getting results, and has traditionally been associated with humanitarian efforts and teaching.* As a Third-Eye Chakra Crystal, Apatite can initiate or increase the development of psychic abilities, such as clairvoyance and clairaudience.* Meditation with an Apatite Crystal on the Third-Eye Chakra can open this chakra up to more subtle vibrations. * Apatite is also known for bringing clarity of mind and expansion of insights, and is especially helpful when diligent study is needed to uncover the truth.

Golden Yellow Apatite
Golden Apatite is a learning stone. Meditate with it to clarify your purpose in life, and assist in the strength to follow it. This is a fire element stone that is helpful in the starting of new adventures, overcoming fears and seeing a project through from its mental concept to physical manifestation. Solar Plexus Chakra stone.

Blue Apatite
Apatite is most often seen in blue, but also can be found in brown, pink, yellow, green (from Spain called asparagus stone) and a rare variety of violet.

Apatite is an inspirational stone. It develops psychic abilities and spiritual attunement. Use it to aid communication and self-expression.

Encourages extroversion
Dissolves alienation
Draw negativity from oneself
Stimulates creativity and intellect
Clears confusion

That sounds like a perfect stone to have on hand for readings.

Apache tear: amplifies magical power

Aquamarine:enhances psychic powers, calm and soothing

Azurite: increases psychic powers

Plus amethyst like you posted


I really like the post from another forum where someone went for a reading and was told to choose a stone from a dish that they could keep with them. That might be a good way for the querent to have a keepsake from their reading and keep them thinking about what was said??

Sounds like a nice selection. I guess one could find a reason to keep every crystal type in existance for use with their decks...what I usually use with mine is amethyst, clear and rose quartz, citrine, maybe tigers eye or moonstone...and not all at the same time. Some people leave the stones with the decks when storing them, as if the decks have some magical powers that can be helped by the crystals - but I am of the belief that a deck of cards is just paper. However, after a reading, or if I feel it hasn't been done in a while, I will leave a deck with a nice quartz crystal on top of it for a while. It probably does nothing, but it makes me feel good, so what the heck.

Alta
15-08-2011, 05:12
So far I have just been using quartz points, but I also keep a lovely smokey quartz egg nearby.

Minotauro
16-08-2011, 12:16
weeeeeeeeeelll
I saw the videos
and I jave no idea why he used them
BUT!
Im working o a method of using crystals and stones for a spread
:'D
it is ...
HERE!
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=162770

I actually needed help and thought your thread was about whast I was looking for...