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Aerin
30-09-2011, 23:20
So, here they are: four enigmatic beauties in masks (well, Cups has a headress instead, interesting), and yes I still think they are the same as the lusty women in the Magician.

In every case, the masks and clothing/ accessories are related to the element and the suit symbol can be seen to the left. Even the backdrop seems suit related.

Wands: Staff held by a gloved hand; mask made of wood with twigs; salamander necklace (fire); she's inside a rich-looking house; colours are orangey/red.

Swords: Sword in a Stone; mask is butterflies and feathers (air); she's outside in the woods; purpley colours.

Pents/ coins: Coin being tossed by a ?man's hand; mask made of gold and emeralds; pearl necklace and rose; there's a pillar and a drape as a backdrop; yellow/ gold colours.

Cups: Cup gathering some of the rain and held in an elegant hand; not a mask but an elegant dolphin headdress; shell straps on the dress; you can't see more of the background than the rain and maybe? a grey sky; bluey/ green colours.

Anyway, those are the main features that jumped out.

Their hair and eyes are also different colours.

Do comment away!!

Elendil
01-10-2011, 02:37
The Four Aces are here. ( http://i52.tinypic.com/2hewkk9.jpg)

Elendil

Aerin
01-10-2011, 05:40
Thank you :)

Hemera
02-10-2011, 02:19
Iīm not a fan of these aces but maybe there is a reason behind it and a story that will unfold as we go along?
These women all look like they are trying to be Femme Fatales but not quite succeeding. They look almost a bit comical to me. Iīm wondering about the menīs hands. They seem to be giving orders to the women or keeping the women under a spell or something. The hand in the Cups looks like itīs floating in the air and doesnīt seem to be attached to a body at all.

Elendil
02-10-2011, 02:46
Iīm not a fan of these aces...

Me neither. I also think that they have an artistic 'dis-similarity' with the rest of the deck and the fact that they are effectively the same woman with different hair and eye colour and clothes makes me suspect a certain artistic laziness...

The MOST interesting thing about them is Aerin's discovery that they are likely the same women who feature on The Magician card. Would that be his hand which features on their cards do you think?

ETA: I wonder why is there no hand on the Ace of Swords? If each of the suit markers is a 'gift' it seems odd that a swordis offered only as a rather 'trite' sword-in-a-stone and 'bucks the trend'.

Aerin
02-10-2011, 03:39
I think they look very different women, especially the Cups lady.

I too wondered about the Swords.

Styx
17-02-2012, 09:04
I find the idea of the four aces being the four women behind the Magician interesting - but who would the fifth woman be ? You can make out a fifth one right behind the Magician. Would that be Ludy, at least in a metaphorical way ?

RunningWild
17-02-2012, 17:27
We discussed that in the Magician thread. :-)

Hemera
18-02-2012, 20:32
You can make out a fifth one right behind the Magician. Would that be Ludy, at least in a metaphorical way ?Yes, I think it could be Ludy. Or it could be "me".
I think it could also be seen as the Fifth Element (Spirit) which has been added to some tarot decks (like the Fifth Tarot).

MaineGirl117
19-02-2012, 11:31
I actually like the Aces!! Especially the Ace of Swords.

I see this card as saying that the Truth to present circumstances is buried in the past. If you're not willing to even attempt to pull the sword from the stone then you're going to go through life (or 'the dream/the myth') completely stumbling in the dark and never understand how to transform yourself into a better Self. The solution to our present problems can only be found by analyzing our thoughts (thought patterns, dreams, intuitions) in the past. We can therefore move confidently into the future - not living in the nightmare that we fear to face, but instead facing the reality of our situation and realizing that it is only a present 'nightmare' that will 'disappear upon awakening'. These last quotes are coming from the LWB toward the end of the suit. I see this as becoming conscious of our decisions, actions, words etc. I actually feel like the swords in this deck call us to correct our actions or reflect on how we've come to a particular situation. They are thoughtful 'pauses' which enable us to look backwards to the past and forwards into the future. When the Ace of this suit comes up for me, it says "What are you not seeing? What are you not willing to look at? What is hidden from view? What idea are you not fully actualizing or supressing?"

Hemera
20-02-2012, 02:11
Thank you MAineGirl117 :)
Oh, Iīm glad you like the Aces because I donīt and I donīt know what to think about them. The Ace pages in my notebook for this deck are almost empty apart from the usual and general Ace-stuff. I have not managed to cook up anything specifically unique for these Ludy Lescot Aces.
So Iīm quite impressed that you have managed to find so much to say about this one Ace and I canīt wait to read about the rest of them :P

Hemera
26-02-2012, 18:41
Ace of Wands is the Ace I probably like and understand the least.
The wooden mask is odd. It took me a long time to understand that itīs wooden probably because fire (wands) burns wood? But it always takes my mind to earth/Pentacles first. It also doesnīt look right on this lady who is wearing something that looks like a ball gown and the curtain behind her is silk. The wooden mask looks very much out of place here. The silk makes it look almost ugly. Sometimes Iīm reminded of some kind of a torture mask especially as the woman looks like she is sulking or depressed or disappointed.
The Wand cane has a strange head that reminds me of Walt Disneyīs Ducks!
So I guess I need help with this card. I need to see beyond the surface..Any ideas? MaineGirl117?

MaineGirl117
27-02-2012, 00:17
I'll do my best Hemera, though I'm still working on the Wands suit :)

Eyes, lips, heart. Ideas, words, emotions. Passion always rises from three paths."

You've made a comment here about her wooden mask and I would agree with you that it symbolizes the Wands suit and that fire needs something to burn. What's interesting is that it's not new wood, as we would typically see in other Ace of Wands cards with little leaves on it. This is old wood, dried by air and 'seasoned' so that when it burns, it burns bright and hot. None of us want 'green' wood if we're heating our homes, because it just smolders and struggles to burn, even if we open the flume and allow air to push through the stove.

You've also mentioned the cane, which is being held by a black glove where traditionally it is held by a white glove. What's the significance of that do you think?

I did find this one reference on a Freemason website which I think I'll explore a little more:

According to Alchemists, unless the elements first die, the Great Work of self transformation cannot take place. Amongst the symbolic processes in Alchemy we find the state of putrification, the symbolic color of which is black.

Freemasonry & Alchemy Website (http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/alchemy_freemasonry.html)

Could we also assume that the head of the cane is made out of gold? I think it is, and with the wands suit representing Alchemy, is this not the ultimate 'prize' we desire while working through the suit?? We see at the end of the suit the king with the lion, who can represent the Sun or Gold in living form. Perhaps the most valuable gold is not that which is tangible, but what is created when we can blend all elements of life (all other suits) to create gold 'within us' by manifesting it into intuition, integrity, courage. You see Daffy Duck in the wand head (I do too, but I think it's more artistic expression in regards to creating a walking stick) but look at the head of the wand from the other direction. I see a lion face, with his mane flowing back towards the right tip!! Here is a little more information on the Lion (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolic-meaning-of-lions.html). This is a solar symbol, and when we look at the Salamander, it is considered a lunar symbol. So here we see the combining of light/dark symbolism in this card

And the Salamanders (a lunar symbol), typically seen in this suit too. There are two of them, with their tales intertwined around her neck. I'll admit I had to look around for an explanation on the symbolism of the salamander, and I'm still trying to pull it all together in useful terms, but here is something I've found:

Animal symbolism of the salamander continues when we learn it is cold blooded. This is analogous of adaptability and adjusting to our environment. The salamander asks us to perceive the changes going on around us and adapt to our best ability rather than fight against the changes.

The salamander comes to those who are in need of change in their lives. The salamander evolutionary feat to observe, and as such, it asks us to evolve in our own lives.

Link to page here (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/animal-symbolism-salamander.html)

I found this an apt description not only because she seems to be investigating her surroundings, but because the next card (2/wands) has her reading, searching answers, looking for a path perhaps? Back to this card though, I think she's realizing that there is something lacking in her life, that something needs to change. Perhaps that's why she's unhappy. It can be a difficult process to start blending all the other elements (which is the 'job' of this suit) to actually create change in our lives.

So, we see here that she's not seduced by materialism, she's looking away from the gold tipped rod. Nor does she care much that her appearance seems to be a contradiction in terms. Silk with wood. She doesn't care that she stands out as an oddity? Perhaps she's more interested in following a true vision of self expression instead of conforming to the masses. In this respect, she's exercising her 'Judgement' in a sense that she wishes to be unique. I bring this up only because of the LWB interpretation of that card, and it's association with the same element: Fire

Do you recognise yourself among the crowd? Or have you forgotten what your beautiful face looks like? Being unique must not be more fearful than being anonymous."

With all this information, can I give you a definitve understanding of this card? Not really :) There's so much going on with the symbolism that I have much to still think about - but what I DO know is that there is something going on with this card than just a sad wallflower wearing a silly mask. At least this post is a good starting point!!

Hemera
27-02-2012, 04:11
What's interesting is that it's not new wood, as we would typically see in other Ace of Wands cards with little leaves on it. This is old wood, dried by air and 'seasoned' so that when it burns, it burns bright and hot. Hmm..And you might not want to burn really old wood. Old wood would be perfect material to make a good violin or cello from. An instrument of creativity. Fine antique furniture would also be made of old wood.

You've also mentioned the cane, which is being held by a black glove where traditionally it is held by a white glove. Ah, the traditional nigredo that Jung also talks about. He describes it as the dark phase, dark night of the soul during which the soul prepares for a new creative phase. Wands are creative, so the start may come when the black phase comes to an end and that is the Ace. Makes sense.

Could we also assume that the head of the cane is made out of gold? I think it is, and with the wands suit representing Alchemy, is this not the ultimate 'prize' we desire while working through the suit?? We see at the end of the suit the king with the lion, who can represent the Sun or Gold in living form. Perhaps the most valuable gold is not that which is tangible, but what is created when we can blend all elements of life (all other suits) to create gold 'within us' by manifesting it into intuition, integrity, courage. This would be the Jungian/Alchemical "citrinitatis" or the golden phase?

"...classical alchemical knowledge about the nigredo-albedo-rubedo-citrinitatis, the four stages of colour...Yellow-red would be the fulfillment of the alchemical work" (M-L-von Franz: Alchemy-An Introduction to the Symbolism and the Psychology, Inner City Books 1980).
Yes, succesful making of gold is the end result of alchemical work. And so the lion and sun are also symbols of this.


So, we see here that she's not seduced by materialism, she's looking away from the gold tipped rod. Nor does she care much that her appearance seems to be a contradiction in terms. Silk with wood. She doesn't care that she stands out as an oddity? Perhaps she's more interested in following a true vision of self expression instead of conforming to the masses.!Yes..this makes sense. This would be just what wands are about, individual, creative and even rebellious solutions. A Wands lady would be one who doesnīt care if she wears silk with wood whereas the Pentacles lady is wearing pearls and is much more traditional and conformist. Also the Swords lady has a traditional mask.

MaineGirl117
27-02-2012, 05:20
Found this internet sight on these three 'phases' of black-white-red link (http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%202.htm)

Interesting reading. Seems very applicable in regards to our discussions on Jung's philosophy and this deck's symbolism.

Hemera
27-02-2012, 06:42
Most interesting! Thank you for the link. The part about 'Coniunctio' is interesting in view of the World card. I think we discussed that briefly in World but I'm not sure. It's about how Hermaphrodite is different from the LL World which has evolved further from that.

MaineGirl117
02-03-2012, 13:48
I have a feeling that to understand this cups suit, we may have to delve a little bit into the myth of the Holy Grail.

Does anybody else think that this beauty may be showing a bit of age here? Just curious, not that she isn't lovely :) Out of all the Aces, she seems to be the only one who is actually looking at the item being held by the hand or of the suit.

No gloved hand here, and her cup doesn't appear to be over-flowing with water despite the downpour. Her headress does have two dolphins entwined, but did you notice that one is silver and the other is gold??

Also, dolphins are christian symbols of resurrection, but they also share this symbol with greek mythology with the dolphin being the bearer of souls to the Islands of the Blessed.

Dolphins are also a lunar AND solar symbol (repeating theme here from the Ace/Wands card!)

This is a key understanding because the dolphin meaning is connected with themes of duality. It has to do with the dolphin being both fish and mammal. It is both of the water, and an air breather. Ergo, dolphin symbolism talks to us about "being in two worlds at once." Indeed, the dolphin is a great conveyor of the concept of yin and yang.

Dolphin Symbolism Link (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/dolphin-meaning-dolphin-symbolism.html)

The other interesting tidbit about the dolphins is the greek work delphi ... is she, perhaps, considered to be an Oracle?

So what can we say of this Ace? Is she looking for everylasting life? Is she the keeper of these rejuvinating waters? Is she an oracle or would be initiate? Is she concerned with bringing the souls of the departed home? I'm not sure which way to take this Ace...she just doesn't imbue me with the typical love and promise you'd get from this suit.

MaineGirl117
02-03-2012, 14:13
So lastly we have the Ace of Pentacles:

"The heart must not be sold, but rather given. The body must not be bought, but seduced."

She looks very regal in her golden mask with studded gemstones, though I don't get the sense that she's looking at the very large golden coin with the all seeing eye on it. Rather, she's looking beyond the coin to the person who is flipping it before her? She doesn't look too impressed either.

What I find interesting is the purple/black rose in her hair:

Black (or Withered) Roses: love is gone or over; disaster; depression; death; problem discussions; emergency meetings

Could we have a woman scorned here? Or simply one who has just lost her lover? As you move through the pentacles suit, it's almost like that's the story it's telling with her wearing a veil in the 6/pent. But also, the roses change color as they fall in front of the tomb in the 9/pent. Would that mean she's coming to love again?

Moreover, why is her hair so red, when the rest of the images show a darker haired woman. Some symbolism her for the color or does she portray a harlot better by having red hair (artistically speaking of course :) )?

Hemera
02-03-2012, 22:47
Does anybody else think that this beauty may be showing a bit of age here? Just curious, not that she isn't lovely I always think she looks like a teenager who has got braces too big for her mouth and who is mirroring herself and trying to be veryī Femme Fataleī but not being very succesful at it :D
, but did you notice that one is silver and the other is gold?

Dolphins are also a lunar AND solar symbol (repeating theme here from the Ace/Wands card!) Thereīs the duality theme again! I never thought we could find that in so many cards! I didnīt notice that the other Dolphin is gold and the other one is silver. It does bring the Sun and Moon into the picture.

So what can we say of this Ace? Is she looking for everylasting life? Is she the keeper of these rejuvinating waters? Is she an oracle or would be initiate? Is she concerned with bringing the souls of the departed home? I'm not sure which way to take this Ace...she just doesn't imbue me with the typical love and promise you'd get from this suit.No, it doesnīt have much soap opera kind of love. But (whenever Iīm able to forget the teenager with oversized braces) she does have a lot of feeling and passion. So much so that itīs almost scary..

Hemera
02-03-2012, 23:04
I always find myself staring at her pearl choker. It is gorgeous and Iīm sure itīs very valuable. "Pearls bring out purity, honesty & integrity, plus feeling of beauty, dignity and calm. They both symbolize and stimulate femininity, feminine wisdom & charity"
http://therapeuticreiki.com/blog/power-of-pearl/
Her pearls are pink: "Pink pearls work especially well for the heart chakra, besides the solar plexus chakra."

This whole card reminds me of an excellent book: The Sacred Prostitute by the Jungian psychologist Nancy Qualls-Corbett (Inner City Books 1988). I think this quote from the book could be about our Sacred Priestess, the Ace of Pentacles:
" Whatever she undertakes, she does so with confidence, without regression, submissiveness or feeling of inferiority to a patriarchal system (which would mean returning to her fatherīs house). She neither has to compete with men nor adopt masculine qualities, that is, identify with the animus. The woman who has come to knowthe presence of the masculine power within is her own authority and stands constant to her feminine nature. She may not be able to change the patriarchal system which surrounds her, but, more importantly, she doesnīt allow the system to change her."

That she is not interested in the coin that is being flipped in front of her symbolises the fact that she is not allowing the system to change her. She is not doing anything for money.

MaineGirl117
03-03-2012, 01:08
I always find myself staring at her pearl choker. It is gorgeous and Iīm sure itīs very valuable. "Pearls bring out purity, honesty & integrity, plus feeling of beauty, dignity and calm. They both symbolize and stimulate femininity, feminine wisdom & charity"

http://therapeuticreiki.com/blog/power-of-pearl/

Her pearls are pink: "Pink pearls work especially well for the heart chakra, besides the solar plexus chakra."

Oh this is interesting! I hadn't even looked up the symbolism of the pearl, but it seems well placed here. I know the pearl necklace for the RWS Empress was symbolic of the 9 planets, but I couldn't see the association here. I wonder then, if the emeralds in her facemask have added significance here too.

This whole card reminds me of an excellent book: The Sacred Prostitute by the Jungian psychologist Nancy Qualls-Corbett (Inner City Books 1988). I think this quote from the book could be about our Sacred Priestess, the Ace of Pentacles:

" Whatever she undertakes, she does so with confidence, without regression, submissiveness or feeling of inferiority to a patriarchal system (which would mean returning to her fatherīs house). She neither has to compete with men nor adopt masculine qualities, that is, identify with the animus. The woman who has come to know the presence of the masculine power within is her own authority and stands constant to her feminine nature. She may not be able to change the patriarchal system which surrounds her, but, more importantly, she doesnīt allow the system to change her."

Oh Hemera!! This is a perfect description of our lady!

That she is not interested in the coin that is being flipped in front of her symbolises the fact that she is not allowing the system to change her. She is not doing anything for money.

The common phrase "money cannot buy happiness" comes to mind here. Without love, money is only a means to an end - and here she's saying you cannot buy love, the most valuable commodity on earth (I think :) )

This gives me a whole new way to look at this lady - strong, confident, in her own right independent, working in the confines of society, but not afraid to stand out or stand up for herself/her beliefs. Her loyalty cannot be bought for trinkets for they mean nothing to her. (isn't that funny that our suit for 'materialism' starts/ends with a lady not interested in tangible momentos??? What does that say about the rest of the suit???)

MaineGirl117
03-03-2012, 01:50
I always think she looks like a teenager who has got braces too big for her mouth and who is mirroring herself and trying to be veryī Femme Fataleī but not being very succesful at it :D

Thereīs the duality theme again! I never thought we could find that in so many cards! I didnīt notice that the other Dolphin is gold and the other one is silver. It does bring the Sun and Moon into the picture.

No, it doesnīt have much soap opera kind of love. But (whenever Iīm able to forget the teenager with oversized braces) she does have a lot of feeling and passion. So much so that itīs almost scary..

In the light of day I'm taking another look at her headband, and there's definitely another metal or two (the 7 beads on wires around her forehead) here that I hadn't noticed last night. Is that copper in the middle? In alchemy they talk of converting copper, lead, tin and iron into gold. Could those be the elements that make up her facemask, with the gold being the cup??

Also, the fact that all the shells and the dolphin are pointing towards 'salt'water, I did some checking and found that salt, water and sulphur are the three 'ingredients' to the great work. This would be a combination of the cups/wands suit which symbolizes transformation of elements (I may not be wording this well). Salt is also symbolic of the white phase we mentioned earlier under the Ace/wands comment. Here, the hand doesn't have a glove, but it does have a white cuff.

Also very interesting, have you looked at the water drops in this card? They don't look like they're falling, they look like they're rising !!! What's that all about?

Slightly off topic to this post, but I'll insert this here just to follow my thought process; could the red hair in the pentacles be an indicator of the 'red' phase??

Hemera
04-03-2012, 18:00
Also very interesting, have you looked at the water drops in this card? They don't look like they're falling, they look like they're rising !!! What's that all about? Yes, I noticed this earlier but then I forgot! Maybe it just shows that thereīs magical stuff going on? Things are not what they seem?

Slightly off topic to this post, but I'll insert this here just to follow my thought process; could the red hair in the pentacles be an indicator of the 'red' phase??Yes...I think in a way it is reading a bit too much on the card. But on the other hand I think we have already gone rather far into the murky waters of Alchemy with this whole deck and it just seems to fit so why not :D
Reading "rubedo" into the picture would mean the Pentacles would be the highest suit, wouldnīt it? It is usually the last one of the suits, so yes..why not?!
Swords would have to be the beginning, the "nigredo" what with the sbc (stabbed baby card) and the Sword in the stone. Pulling that sword from the stone would start off the Heroīs Journey. Yes, that fits. The Swords would lead to Wands (with the black "nigredo" glove in the Ace, handing over the staff?) and that would make the Wands either "albedo" or maybe "viriditas" (green)? Would that fit? So, where would the Cups go in this succession?
The Cauda Pavonis-phase (Peacockīs Tail) is actually blue-green in color just like the Cups!
(From your link above, post #15)

ETA: I just remembered that for a primarily Intuitive person (like us? :) ) the Pentacles, i.e. the Jungian "Sensate" function is often the last of the four functions that is owned and incorporated in life. So that would also fit to the picture that our Pentacles represent the highes suit that comes after all the others, wouldnīt it?

Hemera
04-03-2012, 20:09
Does anybody else think that this beauty may be showing a bit of age here? . Ah, now I see it! Her arms and neck..Yes. Well, old is wise-at least in theory :)

MaineGirl117
04-03-2012, 23:23
Yes, I noticed this earlier but then I forgot! Maybe it just shows that thereīs magical stuff going on? Things are not what they seem?

Yes...I think in a way it is reading a bit too much on the card. But on the other hand I think we have already gone rather far into the murky waters of Alchemy with this whole deck and it just seems to fit so why not :D
Reading "rubedo" into the picture would mean the Pentacles would be the highest suit, wouldnīt it? It is usually the last one of the suits, so yes..why not?!
Swords would have to be the beginning, the "nigredo" what with the sbc (stabbed baby card) and the Sword in the stone. Pulling that sword from the stone would start off the Heroīs Journey. Yes, that fits. The Swords would lead to Wands (with the black "nigredo" glove in the Ace, handing over the staff?) and that would make the Wands either "albedo" or maybe "viriditas" (green)? Would that fit? So, where would the Cups go in this succession?
The Cauda Pavonis-phase (Peacockīs Tail) is actually blue-green in color just like the Cups!
(From your link above, post #15)


I think the Swords suit would be the 'initiation' stage of The Great Work described here (http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%201.htm#1.The Great Work) : Essentially it is the state where you go into your unconscious as well as the collective unconscious and recognize all the supressed emotions and thoughts we've had including lust, murder, fear, hate etc.. only by recognizing them can we begin to 'purify' or 'rectify' them. This is also the initial stages represented by lead, hence all the grey tones??

Wands (Nigredo) would come next;
Cups (Albedo; which could include the Cauda Pavonis-phase (Peacockīs Tail))
Coins (Rubedo) with the element of gold being expressed

Now the question arises: would the Ace of Pentacles then be the last card of the series, as she is the only one who has the red hair and perhaps gone through the entire process??

ETA: I just remembered that for a primarily Intuitive person (like us? :) ) the Pentacles, i.e. the Jungian "Sensate" function is often the last of the four functions that is owned and incorporated in life. So that would also fit to the picture that our Pentacles represent the highes suit that comes after all the others, wouldnīt it?

I'll have to look into this a little bit more before responding, but I am inclined to agree with you here :)

Hemera
12-04-2012, 02:04
I got the Ace of Cups this morning as the card of the day. It only struck me at the Eye Doctorīs check up appointment that this was what the card was talking about! The Eye doctor (or nurse) kept dropping all kinds of liquids to my eyes and then the eye microscopes and other instruments were just like the metal headband in that card. I had such metal bands on my forehead on several occasions! (No pictures of dolphins there though. At least I think so :P ) Weird. I almost got goosebumps when I realized the similarity of my situation and that card this morning.


One thing that really puzzles me about this card is the water that seems to rise instead of falling down. I have not come up with any explanation yet.

MaineGirl117
14-04-2012, 09:56
Rain drops rising = HUMIDITY!!!! (or water vapor)

No seriously, I'm looking around the area where I applied for a job, and whenever I do a draw to describe the place, this card comes up.

Also, this particular place in the US has a lot of caves with crystal/rock formations - lots of moisture dripping down, but due to the increased levels of humidity in the area (closed cavern, hot southern state) it creates an endless cycle of moisture.

A-ha! :D

La Force
19-06-2012, 17:48
Rain drops rising = HUMIDITY!!!! (or water vapor)

No seriously, I'm looking around the area where I applied for a job, and whenever I do a draw to describe the place, this card comes up.

Also, this particular place in the US has a lot of caves with crystal/rock formations - lots of moisture dripping down, but due to the increased levels of humidity in the area (closed cavern, hot southern state) it creates an endless cycle of moisture.

A-ha! :D

I noticed this the first time I looked through the deck, at first I found it to be odd, pondered it for a bit, then this evening I thought I would read your posts about the aces to see if you had mentioned it or not. And you did.

My thoughts about the raindrops, makes me want to turn the ace Rx, then she would become the hanged man, then I thought hmmm the Moon card and the Sun card in the TDM decks, hmmm we may need to go hunting for rabbits in the TDM area, shhhh don't get caught. lol

the moon card (dew) that dogs are lapping it up, think the bible 40 days and 40nights in the dessert and they lived off mana that fell from the sky during the night, and in the morning they would eat it. I did some research on this and in today's sorta theroy well it's a take it or leave. it's called Monoatomic Gold you may want to do your own research on it. anyway I see this in the card, nothing more to say, it's all well said already.

My personal experience with Monoatomic gold, talk about opening up your third eye it goes wide open, wow talk about perception and awareness, you see thing like what his name in the Matrix movie when everything slows down, yet your moving fast, dodging bullets. lol I personally stopped taking it only because I had a really bad dream, I was being chased by some dude in a boat and I couldn't get away, I was like a rabbit running and hiding. lol so I ok that's enough. I really noticed that when I stopped taking, how dumb you actually are to your environment and clarity of things. what I am saying you will notice and I mean it when stop taking monoatomic gold. the difference is wild, and get this it's not drug. surprise, now isn't that mess up.

Prasomchai
23-10-2012, 17:38
For me this card reflects the matter of choice in affairs of the heart, of personal choice unaffected by external influences. In my readings it has related to one whose choices had been driven by family expectations, and another whose choices had an underlying socio-economic component. The card also suggests that the potential for such choice is powerful at that moment.

kaushalyaandfrank
22-07-2014, 13:48
I have a feeling that to understand this cups suit, we may have to delve a little bit into the myth of the Holy Grail.

Does anybody else think that this beauty may be showing a bit of age here? Just curious, not that she isn't lovely :) Out of all the Aces, she seems to be the only one who is actually looking at the item being held by the hand or of the suit.

No gloved hand here, and her cup doesn't appear to be over-flowing with water despite the downpour. Her headress does have two dolphins entwined, but did you notice that one is silver and the other is gold??

Also, dolphins are christian symbols of resurrection, but they also share this symbol with greek mythology with the dolphin being the bearer of souls to the Islands of the Blessed.

Dolphins are also a lunar AND solar symbol (repeating theme here from the Ace/Wands card!)



Dolphin Symbolism Link (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/dolphin-meaning-dolphin-symbolism.html)

The other interesting tidbit about the dolphins is the greek work delphi ... is she, perhaps, considered to be an Oracle?

So what can we say of this Ace? Is she looking for everylasting life? Is she the keeper of these rejuvinating waters? Is she an oracle or would be initiate? Is she concerned with bringing the souls of the departed home? I'm not sure which way to take this Ace...she just doesn't imbue me with the typical love and promise you'd get from this suit.

The water of life is all around us.

Looking at the other quotes in the suit, mostly concerning emotions and happiness, this quote may be a reminder to us that the spark of the emotions lies in our every experience. This may explain why the drops flow upwards, they are the 'water of life' and are everywhere if we can only see them. Then the card may be an indicator that the water of life is prevalent at this time.

kaushalyaandfrank
22-07-2014, 16:57
How would you read these cards if they came up as the advice card in a (generic) reading?
Noted that often the cards come with a direct meaning relating specifically to something in the situation, but if they don't...

AC
Learn to recognize the happiness and joy of life's every moment.

AW
Allow your passions to arise naturally and carry you forwards.

AS
Remember that the mind is the instrument that forges the future.

2P
In all worldly endeavors move with the heart; beware of superficiality, whether deliberate or otherwise.