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Hemera
06-10-2011, 17:46
Four of Chalices:
Her red hair matches the one is Strenght and in the Ace of Pentacles but her pose and gown remind me of the Justice. She is holding a letter in her hand and the first letter in that letter could be a D ("Dear.."). There are letters in several cards: The Death, 2 of Wands, 9 of Wands, 7 of Chalices and a scroll in 10 of Pents.
It looks like Autumn. She has lovely dangling moon earrings and the four Chalices in front of her bear the same symbols as in the previous card. Two are with Pentagrams and two seem to have some other magical symbol. None of the Chalices is being overlooked like in the traditional RWS card

Four of Wands: A lovely and dangerous looking seductress is inviting the viewer towards the four poster bed. A wind is blowing and there are dark purple storm clouds behind the bed.The Great Dane matches the black & white floor. There is danger and an air of change in the air.

Four of Swords: The traditional RWS meaning of a peaceful resting period has been turned into a card of mourning and sorrow.The woman is trying to stop the bleeding of the stone Knight. There are three swords on the floor and the Knight is holding the fourth. None of the swords look like it has been used to stab him. The beautiful stone angel of love (Eros) is being soaked in his blood.

Four of Pentacles: He is handsome, well dressed, sure of himself and obviously very wealthy. His is looking speculatively at us. Do we measure up? Are we worth his interest and investment?

Aerin
08-10-2011, 03:20
I was looking at the Fours last night.

The way I saw the Four of Swords is that the woman has slit her wrists? or damaged them anyway and the blood is hers spilling over the knight, like a Romeo/Juliet situation where she can't bear to live without him.

I did wonder if the animal in the Four of Wands was a leopard, that woman is very creepy IMO.

Elendil
09-10-2011, 07:00
Images of the cards are here. ( http://i53.tinypic.com/2hd60i9.jpg)

Hemera
15-03-2012, 17:55
This was my card of the day yesterday and so I took a closer look at this card.

I looked at the horse in the beackground and noticed the reins are missing something. There´s just the mouthpiece and reins but there is nothing else, no headpiece (what is it called??) at all. Having reins like that on a horse wouldn´t work. They´d drop on to the ground..
So, one could say there is something missing from the picture. I wonder if that would work as one possible interpretation for this card.
I listed some possible interpretations in my notebook and this is what I have:

-Card of Earthy Power
-Blocking change or resistance to change
-Something missing from the picture
-Do you measure up? Are you worthy?

Anything else?

MaineGirl117
21-03-2012, 01:39
Hi Hemera!

What I noticed about this card is all the animals.

Horses:

Horses are a symbol of freedom - oftentimes without the proper restraints

The horse allowed people to explore and find freedom from the contraints of their own communities. This enabled them to travel and thus discover the multiplicity of life and all of it's powers. When we ride them, it raises us up above the mundane and renews our sense of power.

Horses were given powers of divination. More than one legend speaks of the clairvoyance of horses and their ability to recognize those involved in magic. They are symbols that can express the magical side of humans.

Represents movement and travel, or maybe it showed up to help you with movement.

When a horse shows up in your life, it may be time to examine aspects of travel and freedom within your life. Are you feeling constricted? Do you need to move on or allow others to move on? Is it time to assert your freedom and your power in new ways? Are you doing your part to assist ciilization within your own environment? Are others? Are you honoring what this civilization has given you?

Then there are the ravens, who are mystical animals connected to the other side and synchronicity, coincidence and events (but the man is not looking at any of them). They are messangers.

And what's up with the large treasure chest hidden in the grass by the horse??

MaineGirl117
25-03-2012, 03:18
Hemera mentioned in the card combinations thread that the 4 of cups looks a lot like Justice. I've actually experienced this card as a shadowcard to a celtic cross, and the message that came across was one of looking at all possibilities of a situation. This was a weigh, measure, evaluate card to determine the best course of action. Yes, I have also experienced the apathy and stagnation that can come across with this card too, but in relation to her looking like the Justice card, this interpretation seemed to suit too.

If you look at the LWB "An empty chalice can be filled. A full one can only be emptied" it came off to me in this particular reading as "What do you want to pour your energy/emotions into, and what do you want to dump out/leave behind that serves no purpose anymore."

Hemera
02-04-2012, 23:58
This is my card for today and the more I´m thinking about it the more I think the key word here is "Seduction".
I don´t mean the erotic although it can certainly be that,too. I´m thinking about weaving a story that draws other people in.
It´s about seducing an audience and inviting and drawing someone inside a story or a play. Playing a piece of music so seductively that the listeners forget all else. Watching a film with someone or admiring beautiful work of art in a museum? Being seduced by beauty and letting it draw you in.
This could possibly also hint to lying and cheating?

MaineGirl117
03-04-2012, 06:24
It took me a minute to get what you're saying Hemera. I pulled the 4/chalices out and what popped into my head was being 'drawn in'. Aha! Yes, now I can see 'Seduction', but then, would you say this 'theme' could run through all the fours??

4/chalices: Seduced by emotions or emotional responses - totally appropriate for stories & music

4/pentacles: Seduced by wealth, material possessions, being the 'master' like the man is to the horse

4/wands: Seduced by... well.... *seduced* })

4/swords: Secuded by misery.. ie. "Misery loves company" or the 'martyr' complex.. :(

They're ALL Drama Queens!!

Hemera
04-04-2012, 19:24
Yes, they are all Drama Queens :)

What I sense most in the 4/Wands is the feeling she is trying to draw us into the picture and make us follow her. She is weaving a story and inviting us inside that story. (And I got that card on the morning of our concert and I thought, okay, we need to weave a story with our music and make everyone follow us inside that music.)

I think the other fours are different in this respect. They are looking away or directly challenging us like the 4/Pentacles. He doesn´t ask us to follow inside the picture. He looks more like he wants to step out of it. The other fours are more focusing on their inner/immediate worlds and not so much interested in weaving their magic around us. They don´t really care about us that much.

MaineGirl117
21-05-2012, 20:55
This one was interesting, ... doesn't it look like everything is in it's rightful place??

She's not worried about what she's looking at. Both sets of cups are perfect pairs. On the flipside of this though, everything could be out of place! Perhaps they should have been arranged differently?

I say this because I noticed something at work last night that was out of place... it was odd so I began asking myself.. Is that suppose to be there? If not there, where should it go? Where did it come from? How did it get there?

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISORDER?!? :D (I should say, the card came up 'upside down' - not reversed, I don't read reversed.. heh)

So I guess confusion could come into play, and a little bit of OCD too perhaps? :angel:

La Force
22-06-2012, 10:52
Emperor and Temperance

order and moderation, stability and balance, self-control through intelligence and self-control of the mind, attainment of goals and management, father and mother, male influence and female influence, confidence and exuding confidence, power and harmony, wealth and accommodation, etc. these are just a few of the Major arcana four's meaning blended.

The Emperor - Raven in the background = intelligence
The Temperance - stone statue = balancing the emotions and the intelligence of the mind

Four of Swords

The Emperor has moved on he now holds the sword in his hand to represent that he used his intelligence in his waking life which was represent by the raven (Emperor) was his thoughts and memory (his sword). The angel (Temperance) on the side of his crypt represent that he used self-control of his mind, and he balanced and managed his emotions with logic, giving him power and harmony, in attaining goals to wealth, accommodation and stability with order to all those around him during his life. now he rests. Beside him is his daughter, who is mentally and emotionally drained, exhausted from the grief of his passing, which is symbolized by the blood of life draining from her wrists, she feels she can't go on, she needs to rest her thoughts of loss, rejuvenate and repose herself. replenish her life blood and balance her emotions and thoughts and not let them take hold of her. She is forgetting that rest is necessary and this stressful situation is not a part of a healthy lifestyle. let the time of healing process for the well-being of the body, the mind, and the imagination. Her body needs to recuperate and her muscles need time to repair after strenuous exertion. She needs sleep and to dream, this will aid in the process, to bring order to what seems chaos of her daily life. survivors of trauma often become disorientated, make poor decisions and become unable to complete simple and necessary tasks, eventually losing hope.

That's my little story

La Force

Prasomchai
25-08-2012, 13:26
This is my card for today and the more I´m thinking about it the more I think the key word here is "Seduction".
I don´t mean the erotic although it can certainly be that,too. I´m thinking about weaving a story that draws other people in.
It´s about seducing an audience and inviting and drawing someone inside a story or a play. Playing a piece of music so seductively that the listeners forget all else. Watching a film with someone or admiring beautiful work of art in a museum? Being seduced by beauty and letting it draw you in.
This could possibly also hint to lying and cheating?

Indeed, and the card can also fit the standard interpretation:

"This card implies that the foundation is finished and ready to be developed. It signifies the successful completion of a first stage or a first draft, first full rehearsal, first election to a
small but significant post. It also predicts that the querent will (or has) enjoyed this moment of completion, celebrated it.

Often this card is read as indicating marriage, this because marriage is seen as the “completion” of the first stage of a relationship. The couple cement the foundation they’ve laid down with a commitment ceremony.

There is a danger when this card comes up, however, of the querent feeling like they’ve finished the project when, in truth, they’ve only finished that first part. Many see marriage as the goal of a relationship rather than the completion of a stage. A reader might do well to remind the querent that while a celebration for having completed this first stage is well deserved, they need to also think of ways to re-energize themselves. There is more to do."

Next, onto the LWB:

Desire is fuelled by the unknown, not what is in full view.

I fully agree on the seduction comments, further, that this is done with subtlety. By maintaining an element of mystery, all things become more intoxicating! Maybe advice as to how to keep the initial excitement alive?

It could also refer, in the context of the standard meaning above, a pull towards to something mysterious, when the querent should be focusing on the work to be done in their core situation. In other words, this card shows the temptation that can lead us from the long-term path we have been traveling.

MaineGirl117
30-08-2012, 07:40
I agree with the above comments, however I feel it's important to relate it to the Emperor and his message. By maintaining honesty, thus being very truthful or "revealing" like the shear robe the woman is wearing, we can then "move the world by being ourselves" (like the Emperor suggests).

I have also come to the conclusion that this card suggests that everybody has "a checkered past" like the tiles on the floor. We are not all goodness or all evil. By acknowledging the past, both good and bad, we can then bring acceptance to who we are.

Winterchild
09-12-2012, 10:27
This is how I read this card today while doing a spread focused on what was happening in someones relationship. I have posted the other card interpretations I got in the relevant threads here. I read the cards completely intuitively based on what I saw.

The Four of Swords shows a woman clinging to a cold dead knight.... she has laid down her weapons after using one, not to hurt him, but to cut her own wrists. Her bloods drips down but he is unmoved. He grips the fourth sword... he still hasn't given up his need to defend, and he is afraid of being caught unawares... even in death.

Grizabella
15-12-2012, 13:44
And what's up with the large treasure chest hidden in the grass by the horse??

That's where the guy just got that huge handful of coins from. It's a chest full of gold coins, evidently.

MaineGirl117
18-12-2012, 06:29
That's where the guy just got that huge handful of coins from. It's a chest full of gold coins, evidently.

I can almost see him as a gentleman pirate... can you hear the Arrrrrgh?