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JDisTheBest
09-11-2011, 18:15
I'm not an expert on astrology or anything so I'm asking this question.

There was this kid that was was born a long time ago and he had his chart read when he was young and he had a predominance of mars in his chart so it was predicted that he would be a great general when he grew up and what do you know, he was.

Casanova had a dominance of moon and Venus in his and he is remembered as one of the most famous lovers in history.

I have 5 aspects with my sun and 4 with my moon and they are my dominant planets. What would that mean?




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Saturness
09-11-2011, 21:01
First, I'd not really know is aspects alone make a planet 'dominant'.

I think it depends on the planet's dignities inside a chart - whether it is well-placed or not. If it is in a dignified house, or in one of the cardinal ones like I, IV, VII and X, if it's in domicile, if it's in its own triplicity and decan etc.

I believe the aspects can reinforce certain facets of the planet and help to manifest more positive or negative characteristics. But alone don't they don't make a planet stronger. UNLESS, I'd say, if it's in a major aspect with the Sun, the Moon and the ASC - then I think that could make a planet have a stronger presence in the chart.

So I think you'd have to find out which planet is more 'well placed' in your chart overall, before determining which one is really dominant.

I am no astrology expert, so I hope others will chime in too. :) I am sure they can give you a more definite answer!

JDisTheBest
09-11-2011, 21:36
First, I'd not really know is aspects alone make a planet 'dominant'.

I think it depends on the planet's dignities inside a chart - whether it is well-placed or not. If it is in a dignified house, or in one of the cardinal ones like I, IV, VII and X, if it's in domicile, if it's in its own triplicity and decan etc.

I believe the aspects can reinforce certain facets of the planet and help to manifest more positive or negative characteristics. But alone don't they don't make a planet stronger. UNLESS, I'd say, if it's in a major aspect with the Sun, the Moon and the ASC - then I think that could make a planet have a stronger presence in the chart.

So I think you'd have to find out which planet is more 'well placed' in your chart overall, before determining which one is really dominant.

I am no astrology expert, so I hope others will chime in too. :) I am sure they can give you a more definite answer!

K. Makes sense. I was curious as to what that would mean. Having sun and moon showing up that much. And if you count my sun trine moon then they are even at 5 for the number of times they show up.

Thanks for your answer tho. I looked some of what you said up after I posted this, it makes sense what you said :p

Saturness
09-11-2011, 22:13
K. Makes sense. I was curious as to what that would mean. Having sun and moon showing up that much. And if you count my sun trine moon then they are even at 5 for the number of times they show up.

Thanks for your answer tho. I looked some of what you said up after I posted this, it makes sense what you said :p

I wasn't saying that you were wrong...I am sure all this must have a significance as well. :)

I just cannot tell you exactly what it is, because I lack experience, and because I think we would need to look at your entire chart in order to know what these highly influential Moon and Sun would mean for you. Each chart presents a different 'context' for the planets to manifest.

Perhaps you could post a picture of your chart here? Or a link to it?

There are many good astrologers here in the forum, I suggest you wait for their answers. I am sure they can help you much more than I! :)

dadsnook2000
09-11-2011, 22:25
The natal chart 1) describes one's character, health and birth environment in general terms, and 2) as potential areas and lines of development. In itself, it doesn't define the future. Other forms of charts and astrological practice do that. The what, why, when of opportunities for change and how one deals with those opportunities is not, strictly speaking, in the natal chart.

Now, some will say that (for example) Saturn at the MC points to a fall from power or the ruination of one's public status. If true, then when, why, how? That statement is not a prediction, is not overly useful in helping the subject.

Dave

Minderwiz
10-11-2011, 06:32
'Dominant' is a vague term - most of us know it has something to do with being strong (actually it means 'master' or 'owner') but you will find lots of different methods of calling a planet 'dominant' spread throughout the history of Astrology. 'The Arabs actually used the word 'Almuten' meaning 'Winner' to describe dominant planets and had a whole series of tests for being an 'Almuten'.

Now I prefer to use the words 'strong' or 'strength' and this depends on a whole series of factors, including certain aspects. Marina has mentioned the concepts of dignity and accidental dignity - the first depends on sign placement the latter depends on chart position, phase relation to the Sun and aspects.

Aspects can either increase or decrease strength - thus some modern Astrologers may take an opposition from Neptune or Pluto as reducing strength, others will take squares and oppositions as weakening and sextiles and trines as strengthening. However some Astrologers seem to feel that the more connections a planet has the more it will influence our behaviour.

I take partile sextiles and trines from Venus and Jupiter as strengthening and partile squares and oppositions from Mars and Saturn as weakening. However, aspects on their own do not determine strength. Dave uses the example of Saturn on the MC and says some Astrologers might use that as a sign of a fall from power and a loss of public status. If the MC was in Aquarius and Saturn was direct and otherwise not impeded, this could actually be a very good sign for future status and career - if you take advantage of the opportunities that come your way.

I agree with Dave's point about natal charts not containing 'predictions' to an extent. The natal chart has some 'general' level of prediction, Indeed it's implicit in Dave's answer - if you know someone's character you can make some predictions about how they will behave in certain situations. However such predictions are general and as Dave says, to put forward a good prediction you would need to use some derived charts. Many traditional Astrologers believed that the natal chart contains a prediction about the length of a person's life. They may have been right at the time but modern medicine means that many life threatening condition can be averted, so this is something that I'd not be willing to try!

You can use the natal chart to advise or counsel, about career or marriage, you can even derive some information about a possible marriage partner but as Dave says if the opportunities don't present themselves or we fail to take advantages of them when they do, then the 'natal potential' will not be realised. Reading a natal chart is just the beginning - what matters is using the natal chart and derived charts to review the possible options coming up during a future period of time.

JDisTheBest
10-11-2011, 10:16
Makes sense. I'll have to look more into astrology and see what all this stuff means. I'll post a picture of my chart tho so if someone wants to help they can.


'Dominant' is a vague term - most of us know it has something to do with being strong (actually it means 'master' or 'owner') but you will find lots of different methods of calling a planet 'dominant' spread throughout the history of Astrology. 'The Arabs actually used the word 'Almuten' meaning 'Winner' to describe dominant planets and had a whole series of tests for being an 'Almuten'.

Now I prefer to use the words 'strong' or 'strength' and this depends on a whole series of factors, including certain aspects. Marina has mentioned the concepts of dignity and accidental dignity - the first depends on sign placement the latter depends on chart position, phase relation to the Sun and aspects.

Aspects can either increase or decrease strength - thus some modern Astrologers may take an opposition from Neptune or Pluto as reducing strength, others will take squares and oppositions as weakening and sextiles and trines as strengthening. However some Astrologers seem to feel that the more connections a planet has the more it will influence our behaviour.

I take partile sextiles and trines from Venus and Jupiter as strengthening and partile squares and oppositions from Mars and Saturn as weakening. However, aspects on their own do not determine strength. Dave uses the example of Saturn on the MC and says some Astrologers might use that as a sign of a fall from power and a loss of public status. If the MC was in Aquarius and Saturn was direct and otherwise not impeded, this could actually be a very good sign for future status and career - if you take advantage of the opportunities that come your way.

I agree with Dave's point about natal charts not containing 'predictions' to an extent. The natal chart has some 'general' level of prediction, Indeed it's implicit in Dave's answer - if you know someone's character you can make some predictions about how they will behave in certain situations. However such predictions are general and as Dave says, to put forward a good prediction you would need to use some derived charts. Many traditional Astrologers believed that the natal chart contains a prediction about the length of a person's life. They may have been right at the time but modern medicine means that many life threatening condition can be averted, so this is something that I'd not be willing to try!

You can use the natal chart to advise or counsel, about career or marriage, you can even derive some information about a possible marriage partner but as Dave says if the opportunities don't present themselves or we fail to take advantages of them when they do, then the 'natal potential' will not be realised. Reading a natal chart is just the beginning - what matters is using the natal chart and derived charts to review the possible options coming up during a future period of time.

JDisTheBest
10-11-2011, 10:20
Here's my chart.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=2mjfileSlVnIa-u1320834420

ihcoyc
11-11-2011, 02:44
I'd say Mercury is your strongest planet. Mercury rules your Ascendant. He's in Virgo, which he also rules. Mercury is in his own term. The rising degree of the Ascendant is in a term of Mercury.

Minderwiz
11-11-2011, 03:51
I'd say Mercury is your strongest planet. Mercury rules your Ascendant. He's in Virgo, which he also rules. Mercury is in his own term. The rising degree of the Ascendant is in a term of Mercury.

Yes, Mercury has the most essential dignity of any planet, is placed in the fifth, a succeedent house. Mercury also comes out as Almuten of the Chart on Ibn Ezra's calculation. The only contenders are Venus, also in the fifth but in Libra and Saturn in Aquarius in the tenth. The main drawback to Mercury is he is entering combustion but there's so much essential dignity and also Mercury is very fast. Mercury also aspects the Ascendant. Venus is slow and Saturn is retrograde. Finally Mercury aspects the Ascendant and it's always a good sign if the Ascendant ruler aspects the Ascendant.

Looking at the printout on Astro.com, the list of aspects shown includes quintiles and bi-quintiles, quincunxes and the sesquiquadrate, in other words they've probably set the program to include all aspects, whether they are major or minor. They've also included Chiron in the list of aspected planets and points - so with 13 planets and points to aspect and any aspect accepted no matter how low it's significance, it's not surprising that you've got lots of contacts.

As a beginner, you're best ignoring the minor aspects, I'd also say ignore Chiron, you can always add it in later if you really feel a need.

Skogsnerte
13-12-2011, 06:59
Hi everyone! :-)

I would also like to ask you to take a look at my natal chart to see if you can maybe figure out which planet is my dominant/strongest planet. I also thought it mostly had something do to with the aspects so I thought my dom. planet was Neptune since it has 6 aspects. Since I might be wrong it would be great if you could just take a look and share your views. :-)
This is the link to my chart:

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3;btyp=w2gw;cid=2mjfileSlVnIa-u1320834420&nhor=5

Thanx in advance!

JDisTheBest
13-12-2011, 07:57
Hi everyone! :-)

I would also like to ask you to take a look at my natal chart to see if you can maybe figure out which planet is my dominant/strongest planet. I also thought it mostly had something do to with the aspects so I thought my dom. planet was Neptune since it has 6 aspects. Since I might be wrong it would be great if you could just take a look and share your views. :-)
This is the link to my chart:

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3;btyp=w2gw;cid=2mjfileSlVnIa-u1320834420&nhor=5

Thanx in advance!

I'm pretty sure it's the ruling planet of the acendant sign most often. So Jupiter? Though I'm no expert v_v

Saturness
13-12-2011, 10:18
Hi everyone! :-)

I would also like to ask you to take a look at my natal chart to see if you can maybe figure out which planet is my dominant/strongest planet. I also thought it mostly had something do to with the aspects so I thought my dom. planet was Neptune since it has 6 aspects. Since I might be wrong it would be great if you could just take a look and share your views. :-)
This is the link to my chart:

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3;btyp=w2gw;cid=2mjfileSlVnIa-u1320834420&nhor=5

Thanx in advance!

Hi!

I am not expert in Astrology and I do not know the complex calculations used to determine the Almuten of a chart. So my ideas here are based on my own observations.

At first, the Sun seem to be the planet with more essential dignities in the chart. It's exalted in Aries, it's in an angular house (4th House) and it is in its own Decan. However, it happens to be Squaring three planets, including Saturn, which could lessen its strength a bit.

Saturn could also be strong, as it is in the 1st House and in its Domicile. Still, I think I'd go for the Sun.

Hopefully someone else will chime in and give you a more definite opinion. :)

ihcoyc
13-12-2011, 14:47
I'm pretty sure it's the ruling planet of the acendant sign most often. So Jupiter? Though I'm no expert v_v

Jupiter looked fairly strong in that chart: he's the ruler of the rising sign and decan, and in the fifth house. But he has nothing else going for him there in Taurus.

The Sun is exalted in Aries and in his own decan as well. This may be an option.

Minderwiz
14-12-2011, 06:30
This is a difficult chart in which to assess a dominant planet. Firstly because there are two planets n their domicile, and two in exaltation. The second reason is that as stated earlier in the thread, there's no agreed method of assessing the answer.

On Ibn Ezra's calculation, Jupiter is the Almuten of the chart even though its Peregrine (see earlier in the thread for more details on this calculation).

If we simply take essential and accidental dignity Saturn just about shades it from Mars but then the Sun has no accidental dignities or debilities, apart from house placement, (though it creates them in other planets). Saturn and Sun are in angular houses but out of sign, Mars in esaltation in the succedant second house is nearly as well placed.

Lastly the Moon is triplicity ruler, the most elevated planet and is the only planet in Hayz (Nocturnal planet, nocturnally placed in a nocturnal chart),

The last issue really is how important is it? I don't use Ibn Ezra and if I had to choose, I'd probably go for Saturn, but I would not be over confident on that. A better stance might be to say no planet predominates, as the above discussion shows. What we have are several strong planets and therefore something of a balancing act.

Saturness
14-12-2011, 09:22
This is a difficult chart in which to assess a dominant planet. Firstly because there are two planets n their domicile, and two in exaltation. The second reason is that as stated earlier in the thread, there's no agreed method of assessing the answer.

On Ibn Ezra's calculation, Jupiter is the Almuten of the chart even though its Peregrine (see earlier in the thread for more details on this calculation).

If we simply take essential and accidental dignity Saturn just about shades it from Mars but then the Sun has no accidental dignities or debilities, apart from house placement, (though it creates them in other planets). Saturn and Sun are in angular houses but out of sign, Mars in esaltation in the succedant second house is nearly as well placed.

Lastly the Moon is triplicity ruler, the most elevated planet and is the only planet in Hayz (Nocturnal planet, nocturnally placed in a nocturnal chart),

Wow, there are so many factors that can be taken into consideration I think some of my brain cells just committed group suicide. They weren't up to the challenge. :P
I am going to write this down, there are many things to study... I didn't think about diurnal/nocturnal planets or the fact the Moon was elevated... thank you, Minderwiz!

The last issue really is how important is it? I don't use Ibn Ezra and if I had to choose, I'd probably go for Saturn, but I would not be over confident on that. A better stance might be to say no planet predominates, as the above discussion shows. What we have are several strong planets and therefore something of a balancing act.

Hum... really, what is the importance of a dominating planet? LOL! I don't really know. If I recall well, in my chart it is Mars, but if you ask me what it does... I have no idea. Does it influence my personality, giving a 'martial' overlay to everything? Does it make the planet less malefic (I wish, lol! :laugh:)? Does it make me a psychopath/Hitler/Patton in disguise? I don't know.

I believe that it's good that no planets dominates, as you said, it indicates a balance between different aspects of life.

Minderwiz
14-12-2011, 22:45
The best approach I find is not to look for a predominating planet!!! :)

I only bother with looking for the Lord of the Geniture and then mainly for its input into the Temperament assessment, though I might we'll up its prominence over 'normal when looking at it's rulership, house position and aspects. And that would be a minor increase not a major upgrade :)

If there's one planet that predominates, it will emerge during you reading - you will keep coming back to it, or it will feature very strongly in temoerament, manners and mind for example it's in the Ascendant, is the sole significator of manners and aspects Moon and Mercury and rules the MC and aspects the MC or planets in the tenth.

The thread is about predominating planets but that's not a term that has clear meaning and not a term I've come across in traditional texts, though clearly the idea of planetary strength is there. The nearest is Ibn Ezra's Almuten of the Chart, which has a more specialised role. I se nothing wrong withrecognising that in some charts there is no predominting planet - indeed such charts are frequently encountered.