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As many of you know, i have an interest in astrology. using the mystical i have found the links to astrology very useful in its interpretation, so i have decided to open this thread as a discussion thread.
I will later today type up the associations on the mystical cards, and start by adding anything further i can from my own experience, and i invite others to join in. i will also add associations from other type of cards.
I welcome discussion of if you have found that you cant associate the card with the sign or house etc, or if you disagree with the linkage...all is welcome!
if you do not think that astrology can be used with lenormand, then i am afraid this thread wont be for you.
1-Rider-Mercury
2-Clover- Sagittarius
3-Ship-9th house
4-house- 4th house
5-tree-virgo
6-cloud-neptune
7-snake- Scorpio
8-coffin- 8th house
9- flowers-Jupiter
10-scythe- Chiron
11- whip- Lilith
12-owls-uranus
13-child-5th house
14-fox-Pluto
15-bear- 1st house
16- stars Aquarius /Ceres
17-stork-aries
18-dog-11th house
19-tower-saturn
20-garden-10th house
21-mountain- Capricorn
22-paths- Libra
23-mice-2nd house
24-heart- 7th
25-ring-taurus
26-book- Pisces
27-letter- 3rd house
28-man-mars
29-lady-venus
30-lily -moon (need to check what type)
31-sun-leo
32- moon-cancer
33- key-sun
34-fish -Gemini
35-anchor-6th house
36-cross-12th house
37-ancestors- Lilith
Planets
1-Rider-Mercury (done)
6-cloud-neptune
9- flowers-Jupiter
10-scythe- Chiron
11- whip- new moon (will confirm)
12-owls-uranus
14-fox-Pluto
19-tower-saturn
28-man-mars
29-lady-venus
30-lily -moon (need to check what type)
31-sun-leo
32- moon-cancer
33- key-sun
Signs
17-Stork-Aries
25-Ring-Taurus
34-Fish -Gemini
32- Moon-cancer
31-Sun-Leo
5-tree-virgo
22-Paths- Libra
7-Snake- Scorpio
2-Clover- Sagittarius
21-mountain- Capricorn
16- Stars- Aquarius
26-book- Pisces
Houses
15-bear- 1st house
23-mice-2nd house
27-letter- 3rd house
4-house- 4th house
13-child-5th house
24-heart- 7th house
8-coffin- 8th house
3-Ship-9th house
20-garden-10th house
18-dog-11th house
36-cross-12th house
By Halil
Astrology and Lenormand per Steinbach
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1. Rider - ruler is Mercury (communication); astrological sign is Aquarius (air)
2. Clover - ruler is Jupiter (good fortune); astrological sign is Sagittarius (fire)
3. Ship - ruler is Jupiter (travel); astrological sign is Aries (fire)
4. House - ruler is Moon (family); astrological sign is Taurus (earth)
5. Tree - rulers are the Sun (life force) and the South Lunar Nodes (Karma)
6. Clouds - rulers are Neptune (illusions) and Mercury (intellect); associated with all air signs (Aquarius, Gemini and Libra); sometimes it's connected to the double signs (Pisces and Libra); most often the clouds bring the influence of Gemini into the reading
7. Snake - rulers are Mars (aggression) and Uranus (unpredictability); represents Cancer and Scorpio (both water)
8. Coffin - ruler is Pluto (transformation); astrological sign is Leo (fire)
9. Bouquet - ruler is Venus (beauty); astrological sign is Virgo (earth)
10. Scythe - ruler is Mars (action); astrological sign is Libra (air)
11. Whip - rulers are Mars (sex) and Pluto (deviance); astrological sign is Scorpio (water)
12. Birds - ruler is Mercury (communication); astrological signs are Sagittarius (fire) and Capricorn (earth)
13. Child - ruler is the Moon (childhood)
14. Fox - ruler is Neptune (delusions)
15. Bear - ruler is Jupiter (protection); astrological sign is Taurus (earth)
16. Stars - ruler is Jupiter (good fortune; astrological sign is Aquarius (air)
17. Storks - rulers are Jupiter (travel) and Uranus (changes)
18. Dog - ruler is Venus (love)
19. Tower - ruler is Saturn (austerity); astrological sign is Capricorn (earth)
20. Garden - ruler is Venus (harmony); astrological signs are Libra (air) and Sagittarius (fire)
21. Mountain - ruler is Saturn (isolation); astrological sign is Capricorn (earth)
22. Crossroad - ruler is Uranus (opportunity); astrological sign is Libra (air)
23. Mice - rulers are Saturn (austerity) and Uranus (changes)
24. Heart - ruler is Venus (love)
25. Ring - ruler is Venus (harmony); astrological sign is Taurus (earth)
26. Book - ruler is Saturn (teacher) and Mercury (communication); astrological sign is Virgo (earth)
27. Letter - ruler is Mercury (communication)
28. Man - ruler is Sun (masculine symbol)
29. Woman - ruler is Moon (feminine)
30. Lily - ruler is Saturn (wisdom); astrological sign is Capricorn (earth)
31. Sun - ruler is Sun (success); connected to all fire signs (Aries, Leo and Sagittarius)
32. Moon - ruler is Moon (emotions); pairs with all water signs (Pisces, Cancer and Scorpio)
33. Key - rulers are Uranus (unexpected) and the North Lunar Nodes (destiny and dharma)
34. Fish - rulers are Jupiter (expansion) and Neptune (ocean); astrological sign is Pisces (water)
35. Anchor - rulers are Saturn (stability) and Neptune (ocean)
36. Cross - rulers are Pluto (transformations) and Neptune (perceptions)
By Andybc
Mystical Lenormand - Regula Elizabeth Fiechter
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In her book, Regula Fiechter gives the correspondences as follows:
Cavalier Mercury
Cloverleaf Sagittarius
Ship Ninth House
House Fourth House
Tree Virgo
Clouds Neptune
Snake Scorpio
Coffin Eighth House
Bouquet Jupiter
Scythe Chiron
Rod Lilith
Birds Uranus
Child Fifth House
Fox Pluto
Bear First House
Stars Aquarius
Storks Aries
Dog Eleventh House
High Tower - Saturn
Park Tenth House
Mountain Capricorn
Road Libra
Mice Second House
Heart Seventh House
Ring Taurus
Book Pisces
Letter Third House
Man Mars
Woman Venus
Lilies Moon
Sun Leo
Moon Cancer
Key Sun
Fish Gemini
Anchor Seventh House
Cross Twelfth House
Great and very interesting, Red! You know, I think Garden will be Venus too. But Venus as a ruler of Taurus, seems to me Libra is more refined and the Garden can sometimes be crazy time and really enjoying life to the fullest like an Earth sign would. ;)
lord_ewin
18-04-2012, 23:12
I'm going to have some serious studying to follow any of this!! :) hopefully you'll be able to give us lesser Astrology neophants some tips..! :D
Great and very interesting, Red! You know, I think Garden will be Venus too. But Venus as a ruler of Taurus, seems to me Libra is more refined and the Garden can sometimes be crazy time and really enjoying life to the fullest like an Earth sign would. ;)
Yes i have some similar questions, why are some the sign and not the planet? why are some the houses....
i think there is alot of potential scope thats not restricted to the cards and whats printed in the corner.
A friend mentioned dark moon lilith being on the ancestor card, which is interesting. ceres being in the star card as the constellation.
i will expand this a bit later so we can look at all alternatives, will also try and find some other astrology links, i know there has been a thread here before on timing that mentions astrology in
I'm going to have some serious studying to follow any of this!! :) hopefully you'll be able to give us lesser Astrology neophants some tips..! :D
I will put down what information i find out, and then my thoughts, but am sure there will be some fab discussion around this that open my eyes too.
Also will try and bring in mythology too as thats important in astrology, and might make sense with some of the cards.
i will also put up pictures of the cards also so we can see the differences, i have a blue owl pack at home
Not great with astrology but I was thinking that
Garden could be Mercury because of the communication in social settings
Whip could be Mars because of aggression
but the Fox I don't know maybe Neptune for something or someone who is
direct but not in the direct spotlight.
Thanks for the thread
Just a ramble! :D
Not great with astrology but I was thinking that
Garden could be Mercury because of the communication in social settings
Whip could be Mars because of aggression
but the Fox I don't know maybe Neptune for something or someone who is
direct but not in the direct spotlight.
Thanks for the thread
Just a ramble! :D
welcome, and thanks for rambling!
when i get more time i will expand whats there already and then we can start perhaps planet by planet?
So folks, card by card or planet by planet?
rachelcat
19-04-2012, 01:02
When looking at the Mystical deck, I always assumed the artist or whoever got the signs for Gemini and Pisces mixed up:
Gemini = Book
Pisces = Fish
seems to make more sense . . .
Thanks for adding all this red! It's fascinating and I can't wait to learn it.
When looking at the Mystical deck, I always assumed the artist or whoever got the signs for Gemini and Pisces mixed up:
Gemini = Book
Pisces = Fish
seems to make more sense . . .
I did initially, but after i started delving into astrology i realised a few things...
gemini often learns things for the sake of learning, it doesnt often apply and discern it well enough, it simply collects data, but not always drawing a conclusion or using it for something. it also can never shut up, it spews data out all the time, so the idea of a secret and a gemini...well lets just say 'never going to happen' unless they have some other planets to serve them.
the book i fiind more about secret knowledge, knowledge that cant always be just found in a book. but anyways will post on that more
I've got Regula's book somewhere. I can find it out and post the associations she gives?
I've got Regula's book somewhere. I can find it out and post the associations she gives?
That would be fab, i want to have any ones that we can:)
In her book, Regula Fiechter gives the correspondences as follows:
Cavalier Mercury
Cloverleaf Sagittarius
Ship Ninth House
House Fourth House
Tree Virgo
Clouds Neptune
Snake Scorpio
Coffin Eighth House
Bouquet Jupiter
Scythe Chiron
Rod Lilith
Birds Uranus
Child Fifth House
Fox Pluto
Bear First House
Stars Aquarius
Storks Aries
Dog Eleventh House
High Tower - Saturn
Park Tenth House
Mountain Capricorn
Road Libra
Mice Second House
Heart Seventh House
Ring Taurus
Book Pisces
Letter Third House
Man Mars
Woman Venus
Lilies Moon
Sun Leo
Moon Cancer
Key Sun
Fish Gemini
Anchor Seventh House
Cross Twelfth House
Hope this helps Red.
thats fab andy! will see if i can start a comparison list, but first i might start the conversation with mercury....
So the first question is, does mercury from an astrological point of view work with the 1st card? and then, we can ask what else we can assign to it (i am not looking for agreement, but lively discussion):
Mercury is the son of Jupiter/Zeus (king of the gods), his name is linked to the name for merchant and trading, he is god of trade, thieves, and travel. Often is known as the messenger god, associated with methods of information collecting, processing and distributing. Mercury the planet is one of the fastest moving planets moving through each sign in about 23 days.
Mercury usually represents young people, or people you deal with data gathering. It also links to transportation and things like email, its because its about speed and information, so an email is sending information in a speedy way.
Now we have all heard people say I wouldnt do that, mercury is rx, this planet is the one thats retrograde the most , it also so it spends an awful lot of its time going backwards and redoing things that he had only just done
.for example it started retrograding on 24th Jan 2012, finished 4th april, and enters back into retrograde July 14th until august 7th, then again on November 6th to November 26th 2012.
Now retrograde in the most simplistic terms is that the planets appear to be going backwards, and so it travels backwards through signs it has only just come out of, often it forces you to redo things you have done, or rethink. Whilst its doing this, other things can often get backed up, or messages doing get sent, miscommunication is ripe during this time. But the periods of retrograde are shorter then other planets, so they impact less
Mercury rules both Gemini and Virgo. the glyph. symbolises mind, over divine spirit, and matter, to me this is saying that its less physical , more mental
So now we know that he is fast, not always reliable or accurate, privileged as son of the ruler of gods, enthusiastic, friendly, intelligent, can bring people or ideas together
so anything more we can add about mercury...
lord_ewin
19-04-2012, 02:25
You know what, Red? I think you hit on the Rider's definition simply by pointing out all the astrology linked to Mercury.
So, communication, quick movement; a small sense of erratic behaviour with the retrogrades (how youth starts one thing and abandons it too quickly, onky to realize, crap... I need to do that still), someone young and / or sporty, etc, etc.
You know what, Red? I think you hit on the Rider's definition simply by pointing out all the astrology linked to Mercury.
So, communication, quick movement; a small sense of erratic behaviour with the retrogrades (how youth starts one thing and abandons it too quickly, onky to realize, crap... I need to do that still), someone young and / or sporty, etc, etc.
i think the rider is a really easy one, compared to his dad jupiter who is god of wine and wisdom....now thats a combo thats going to be interesting, he also is a serial womaniser...but anyways...lol
Hmmm...this is jumping ahead, but your description of Jupiter reminds me of the lily.
yeah there might be something in it, but for now lets see with mercury
I have Steinbach's book and she applies planets to some of the cards. She uses Mercury for the rider and the letter.
thats interesting, thats a start of the discussion right there, there is always a confusion to between the signs and the planets.
so how do you feel the letter works with mercury in an astrological sense?
I find the letter personally a bit more reliable, it is what it says on the tin, its a message, communication. i am not sure i could see the letter as mental processes though, but on the mystical is delivered by a dove which is a symbol of peace and love, so there is a messenger of sorts.
lord_ewin
19-04-2012, 03:00
so how do you feel the letter works with mercury in an astrological sense?
I'd say it links into messages and how mercury is a messenger for the gods... But...
i think i agree with the letter being a better tie to something more specific. it could even lean towards gemini, or 3rd house stuff?
i also think the letter is a bit more trustworthy for me. also mercury is the messenger but not the message, because its funny that usually i find the rider turn up to say its a person or 'its on its way' rather then there is a message. to me the rider brings me something or someone
I think that's a great way to describe the difference. The rider is so often someone coming into your life, and that hits on mercury completely. Whether it's a person or a message, it's something come to you. It's all about movement, which is a large part of mercury, especially when you look at how mercury retrogrades affect everything from communication to travel.
The letter is more documents and written materials. It can be a message received, but it could also be signing a loan agreement for a new house. It's much more narrow than the rider. Gemini can be pretty indecisive and up in the air (my mother's a gemini and drives me nuts sometimes), and I'm not sure how indecisive the letter is. Maybe the 3rd house is more applicable.
but also aries could be for the rider too...
that popped into my head when we are talking about the rider as a person who bets bored easily etc, and usually they are bright...
I think aries is more stubborn, while the rider is fickle and flighty.
Does aries cover communication or news? To the best of my knowledge, I can't recall that it does. However, you're far more the expert.
I can type post Steinbach's astrology correspondence for the cards.
i dont think he covers enough of the criteria, so unless the message is about war i thiink we can count him out!
i would love the steinbachs ones if you could, i also have a book at home somewhere will very traditional meanings in, will try and find it and type those up tomorrow or something
thank you very much halil, mcuh appriciated!!
now already this is interesting, steinbach has aquarious as linked to rider, now i cant really see that, only the technology part of it, but is that just me?
Air is thinking and communication, but saturn and uranus as the rulers? also aqurious was known as the water bearer..
in mythology uranus was cronus (saturns) father, cronus castrated him evectively dethroned him, cronus was castratred by zeus/jupiter , all of these were rulers of the gods, all replaced each other...
food for thought
Very inspiring thread!
The glyph on the fox card is Pluto in the Mystical Lenormand according to mthe companion book by Fiechter. The garden is the 10th house. Whip is supposedly Lilith (though the glyph isn't really right).
I have a table somewhere comparing Fiechter's correspondences with Treppner and Leiding. Will see if I can locate it.
Very inspiring thread!
The glyph on the fox card is Pluto in the Mystical Lenormand according to mthe companion book by Fiechter. The garden is the 10th house. Whip is supposedly Lilith (though the glyph isn't really right).
I have a table somewhere comparing Fiechter's correspondences with Treppner and Leiding. Will see if I can locate it.
That makes perfect sense, it must be an old version but it's been bugging me as on mine it has a different meaning to how many read the fox, and Pluto makes sense, I think of narcissis, falling in love within himself and Pluto makes sense.
Garden also makes sense, Lilith also makes sense with whip....you have solved a big q for me
Any information is very valuable
Well I had a very rider day, it was my card for today, in my gt in the house of the cloud ruled by Neptune...
Today I found through online sources (I.e. here) an answer that has been bugging me for ages, and it brought new insight which is very mercury, it didn't bring me the message directly, but it led me to it.
Thank you to all of you adding more comments and typing information up, it's fab!
By the way have some fun ideas when we get past the initial astrology convos in how we can create our birth charts and transits using the cards, so utilising knowledge we already have to learn more about astrology in action.
Will be back to this after the new moon , need to work on that and will then start on other planets.
New moon in mystical would be lily for moon, and ring for taurus
Beautiful thread!
As I am novice in both, I will just read and learn.
Thank you, Red, for taking card by card and discuss it with astrology. For me, it helps to figure out both, one mirroring the other.
Beautiful thread!
As I am novice in both, I will just read and learn.
Thank you, Red, for taking card by card and discuss it with astrology. For me, it helps to figure out both, one mirroring the other.
Your welcome to join in, don't ever think what you say is wrong, it's an open discussion.
Neptune/Poseidon , rules Pisces
-God of water and the sea (this includes anything in it, or what rides on it)
-Brother of Jupiter and Pluto, Neptune became god of the seas when he helped his brothers depose Saturn
-He was constantly trying to grab land for himself
-When angered, he caused earthquakes and storms at sea
-He put his throne at the bottom of the sea
-When Cires hid from her suitors by changing herself into a horse, he changed himself into a horse and mated with her
-He owned a herd of white horses, he introduced horse racing
-He fell in love with Medusa and seduced her in Minervas temple, Minervas was angered by this and turned Medusa into a monster
You can also see that Neptune wasnt content with what he was given, and he tried to take what wasnt his, which was land. So he wanted the sea and also the land , a little bit greedy! Also he changed into a horse to get what he wanted (Cires), he also liked to be hidden, he put his throne where noone else could see or get him.
It can transcend and escape boundaries, its aim is to merge,to dissolve, to be at one very much as the sea is all one. The sea ebbs and flows outside of its control, as the tides are controlled by the moon.
Keywords: Loss, confusion, the world dissolving, boundaries disappearing. Lost at sea, ethereal, blissful, dreamy, confused\unclear, romantic, self deceptive, subtle, rhythm, , a repository, escapism, empathy, illusion, deception, magic, the collective unconscious, transformation
Person it can represent: Grandmother, the wise old women, the victim or the martyr. Visionary or spiritual.
Moves 1 to 2 degrees each year, takes 165 years to travel through chart . Its the 8th and furthest from the sun. its an outer planet, so its generational.
So now we can see, unlike mercury this planet is a slow moving one, it doesnt travel far through your chart in your lifetime, its more of a generational planet that sets the tone for a period of time, people born in the next 14 years will have Neptune in its home sign of Pisces. So already you can see it can be very influential but on a subtle, even unconscious level. The affects are not immediately seen, you might not see the affects of this Pisces transit until the people born in the next 14 years become able to vote etc, so until they come of age.
So its slow in some ways as it travels slowly, but its very changeable, in the same way the sea can change in a blink of an eye. Its also not completely in control by itself, some I can see it being linked to unforseen circumstances. Also the sea is the only element that can change into three different versions of itself (ice, steam, liquid)
So current candidates are:
Clouds
Cross
Fish
Anchor
Fox
Neptune is a bit of a toughy.
I do think the fish apply since it involves the water and pisces. Travel over water is slow, and the fish could represent that. However, I don't see the fish as a card representing changeability. That would be more the clouds, maybe with some elements of the whip thrown in.
yes i can see pisces just about, i cant see anchor or cross really.fish to me are always fish, they live in the sea but they are not the sea. its an interesting question, i can even see fox in the wily part of the neptune card, but the symbolology of the fox doesnt fit as they are also very cunning and focused.
Great thread Red I just went through all the posts. I would love it if you guys with more astrological knowledge will dissect each one of them [pretty please] because I really have problems understanding the associations they give. e.g I have no idea how Bear is Aries for Iris Treppner or how its the 1st house :/
Besides that Rider has always been Mercury for me. its speedy, fast, communication, messages.
About Neptune, its Pisces, Fish I can agree
but for Anchor, my Anchor is more like capricornish, someone who stays, whose stable and determined, and slow [slow slow makes me low] Saturn-like. BTW the first list you posted from Mystical, its missing 35-Anchor .
Clouds can be Neptune influenced. They do not let us think logically. I am not good with not being able to think logically. Can Moon be Neptune too? Its illusions, dreams and soul life?
Just thinking
Great thread Red I just went through all the posts. I would love it if you guys with more astrological knowledge will dissect each one of them [pretty please] because I really have problems understanding the associations they give. e.g I have no idea how Bear is Aries for Iris Treppner or how its the 1st house :/
Besides that Rider has always been Mercury for me. its speedy, fast, communication, messages.
About Neptune, its Pisces, Fish I can agree
but for Anchor, my Anchor is more like capricornish, someone who stays, whose stable and determined, and slow [slow slow makes me low] Saturn-like. BTW the first list you posted from Mystical, its missing 35-Anchor .
Clouds can be Neptune influenced. They do not let us think logically. I am not good with not being able to think logically. Can Moon be Neptune too? Its illusions, dreams and soul life?
Just thinking
Yes I am going to go through them all. Hopefully a few a week depending on time.
I agree on the anchor, now the moon is a good candidate as that controls the tides...
The Moon has one more strong connection with Neptune - the fame and the glamour. Neptune is the planet of Hollywood, the red carpets, the spotlights. Stars, regardless actors, musicians, painters or else, have strong neptune in their charts. And the Lenormand Moon is the glamour ruler as well. :)
Clouds are too fast, in my opinion. They move by air, quick, even if we don't see it that way from our window.
MoiraKarin
24-04-2012, 05:39
Is there incidently a thread here where i can learn more about astrology preferably to understand the lenormand better, and one which is not too scientific for a non native of the english tongue ??
I am much interested in astrology as well.
Is there incidently a thread here where i can learn more about astrology preferably to understand the lenormand better, and one which is not too scientific for a non native of the english tongue ??
I am much interested in astrology as well.
There is an astrology section of the forum, but what's helping me the most are some books that red recommended to me on astrology. In terms of English, Llewellyn's Complete Book of Astrology might be a good place to start. It breaks everything down simply, so you shouldn't have too many problems with it. You might want to ask red if she has any better ideas.
There is an astrology section of the forum, but what's helping me the most are some books that red recommended to me on astrology. In terms of English, Llewellyn's Complete Book of Astrology might be a good place to start. It breaks everything down simply, so you shouldn't have too many problems with it. You might want to ask red if she has any better ideas.
hope your getting on well with the book Halil!
There are many good website, but i would try searching in your native language as you might find lots of information online, or amazon has different language books too. if i come accross will let you know!
The Moon has one more strong connection with Neptune - the fame and the glamour. Neptune is the planet of Hollywood, the red carpets, the spotlights. Stars, regardless actors, musicians, painters or else, have strong neptune in their charts. And the Lenormand Moon is the glamour ruler as well. :)
Clouds are too fast, in my opinion. They move by air, quick, even if we don't see it that way from our window.
It just popped in my head when I was analysing Neptune, why Moon has to be cancer or Moon, why not Neptune, which explains the lenormand meanings of Moon better.
It just popped in my head when I was analysing Neptune, why Moon has to be cancer or Moon, why not Neptune, which explains the lenormand meanings of Moon better.
thats why we have this thread so we can discuss it, these are all meanings others have given the cards, so now we are working out if they make sense so us, so all discussion welcome
Hi red
the list you gave for mystical one is missing 35-Anchor.
I assume its 6th house, for work.
In my opinon, Anchor can not be a 6th house card. 6th house is the servants' house, our everyday job, we may not even like it but it pays the bills and brings the food on the table. To me this is the Fox. Anchor is about stable long-term career, our hopes for growth and to me it's the MC, the 10th house. :) Even Saturn for he's the one who gives the long-term rewards and also requires patience to achieve big goals.
hope your getting on well with the book Halil!
They're helping immensely! Thanks for suggesting them!
Hi red
the list you gave for mystical one is missing 35-Anchor.
I assume its 6th house, for work.
Oops yes it's 6th house, will add that.
I am currently going through the planets, then it will be the signs then the houses as it seems to make sense to me
In my opinon, Anchor can not be a 6th house card. 6th house is the servants' house, our everyday job, we may not even like it but it pays the bills and brings the food on the table. To me this is the Fox. Anchor is about stable long-term career, our hopes for growth and to me it's the MC, the 10th house. :) Even Saturn for he's the one who gives the long-term rewards and also requires patience to achieve big goals.
I can see it as the 6th mainly because the anchor is what stabilises you and keeps you there, so your kids can for instance be an anchor because you have to look after them, it's the daily grind, it keeps you standing still.
Anyways we are not on the anchor yet, will be interesting when we get to houses.
Nice but kids are 5th house issue. Or Leo. Or both. :)
As a newcomer to Lenormand, I am enjoying this thread very much. I have been comparing the correspondences between different Lenormand decks, and finding some similarities and some differences that are very interesting.
I have the Mystical Lenormand, which has already been mentioned. In today's mail I received the Astrological Lenormand (by Hildegard Leiding-Heinz). Here are the correspondences she gives:
1. Rider Mercury
2. Clover Sagittarius
3. Ship 9th house
4. House 4th house
5. Tree Saturn
6. Clouds Neptune
7. Snake Cancer
8. Coffin Pluto
9. Flowers Jupiter
10. Scythe 8th house
11. Whip North Node
12. Owls Uranus
13. Child Leo
14. Fox Scorpio
15. Bear 1st house
16. Stars 12th house
17. Storks 3rd house
18. Dog Aquarius
19. Tower 10th house
20. Garden 11th house
21. Mountain Aries
22. Crossroads Libra
23. Mice Virgo
24. Heart 5th house
25. Ring 7th house
26. Book Pisces
27. Letter Gemini
28. Man Mars
29. Lady Venus
30. Lily 6th house
31. Sun Sun
32. Moon Moon
33. Key Taurus
34. Fish 2nd house
35. Anchor Capricorn
36. Cross Dark Moon Lilith
Eventually, I hope to incorporate astrology in my Lenormand readings. I am enjoying my study of the cards so far!!
What do you experienced readers think of these? How many of you do use astrology in your readings?
Here are the astrological meanings given in the Treppner course, which seem to vary quite a bit from others listed in this thread.
1. Rider 3rd house: your own representation
2. Clover Jupiter: luck and expansion
3. Ship 9th house: understanding, tolerance and expansion
4. House 2nd house: security
5. Tree Chiron: planet of the healing arts, analysis & thriftiness/modesty
6. Clouds Neptune: esotericism & nebulousness
7. Snake Scorpio
8. Coffin 11th house: transformation
9. Flowers Libra
10. Scythe Uranus: unrest and transformation
11. Whip 1st house: accomplishing things
12. Owls Venus: planet of connections and contracts
13. Child Cancer
14. Fox Sagittarius
15. Bear Aries
16. Stars Pisces
17. Storks Aquarius
18. Dog 4th house: your own feelings
19. Tower Saturn: self-control and diligence
20. Garden 7th house: meetings
21. Mountain Capricorn
22. Crossroads Gemini
23. Mice Virgo
24. Heart Leo
25. Ring 8th house: looking for connections
26. Book 12th house: intuition and subconscious
27. Letter Mercury: planet of communication
28. Man Mars: masculine energy and getting things done
29. Lady Venus: connections and contracts
30. Lily 5th house: house of experience
31. Sun Sun: true self
32. Moon Moon
33. Key Pluto: stability and power
34. Fish Taurus
35. Anchor 6th house: work and analysis
36. Cross 10th house: boundaries and the state
Comments??
thank you asher, i will add these to the front screen so we can discuss these all together, its nice to see a variety of meaning and cards etc
Nice but kids are 5th house issue. Or Leo. Or both. :)
That's a very flat statement , even astrology isnt that black and white....hence why the debate is here.
When we have finished with all the sign/planets/houses we can build our Solar returns, and natal charts from lenormand cards....can you imagine a lunar return using cards?;)
That's a very flat statement , even astrology isnt that black and white....hence why the debate is here.
When we have finished with all the sign/planets/houses we can build our Solar returns, and natal charts from lenormand cards....can you imagine a lunar return using cards?;)
I did a solar Return on my B'day and I have kept it safely and there are many similarities I have found between my zodiac solar return chart and the lenormand one. The only problem I face is that some planets are not represented by those cards which I think they do and I don't have enough knowledge to make my own list. This is why I'm very much excited about this topic and discussion.
so are we done with Neptune for Clouds,Moon and Fish?
That's a very flat statement , even astrology isnt that black and white....hence why the debate is here.
When we have finished with all the sign/planets/houses we can build our Solar returns, and natal charts from lenormand cards....can you imagine a lunar return using cards?;)
Ive really enjoyed reading this thread Red, and everyone else.
I havent commented as the astrology I know is traditional. It is something I find fascinating though.
I agree with Ronia , your children are the fifth house, and the fifth youth is the significator for your first born, then the seventh, ninth etc. as derived third (siblings) for the second, third born and so on. But the role your children will play is the fifth house and its ruler.
I dont see a link to Leo, as the mundane houses have no natural link to the celestial ones apart from whoever is on the cusp in a chart.
Red have you thought about getting the Belline or Tarot dEtyne? I think you would like it.
Ive really enjoyed reading this thread Red, and everyone else.
I havent commented as the astrology I know is traditional. It is something I find fascinating though.
I agree with Ronia , your children are the fifth house, and the fifth youth is the significator for your first born, then the seventh, ninth etc. as derived third (siblings) for the second, third born and so on. But the role your children will play is the fifth house and its ruler.
I dont see a link to Leo, as the mundane houses have no natural link to the celestial ones apart from whoever is on the cusp in a chart.
Red have you thought about getting the Belline or Tarot dEtyne? I think you would like it.
I havent andy, will look those up...thanks for suggesting them!
please feel to comment, always want to hear from all schools, new and traditional