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lord_ewin
22-04-2012, 03:46
I was at another Forum and they raised an interesting question: what of the occult in Lenormand..? Do you even believe in bad juju, or curses and blessings? Can someone be under the influence of a hex? Would it show up in the cards if they were??
In my experience, I haven't see much in terms of that appearing in the cards... Has anyone?
I was at another Forum and they raised an interesting question: what of the occult in Lenormand..? Do you even believe in bad juju, or curses and blessings? Can someone be under the influence of a hex? Would it show up in the cards if they were??
In my experience, I haven't see much in terms of that appearing in the cards... Has anyone?
Apparently lenormand is used that way in parts of south America .
I personally am spiritual so am not in favour of spells etc,because I think it's about trying to control others, but I do think you can only succumb to speeds, juju, curses or blessings if you allow it to take you over.
We were at a tarot social event recently and this guy came over and intruded,his main issue he wanted to talk about was why his friends tarot business had failed, because his ex put a curse on him.....
Now the fact the women told the man she put a curse on him speaks volumes doesn't it...lol
When I first started tarot seriously, I was out with a friend from ghana and during the conversation I realised that another friend had told me I would get flu in 6months time. At the time I had just recovered from it and was telling my friend about it when I suddenly remembered the reading from a friend, mentioning that I must tell her good her predictions was, I had forgotten all aout the reading. My friend out with me said " if it was me I would have thought she had put juju on me and made me I'll".
This saddened me, because an educated women I thought was a bit more open minded came out with it, she was serious too.
Anyways! I personally think the person has to allow it to happen, they must allow it to influence them, it's a bit like bullying, bullies pick on people they know they can, they pick on something they perceive as a weakness and they exploit it. Most of us have been bullied at some point in our lives and it's not till be get out of the situation, we can see how it started and how we allowed it to manifest. I am not blaming the victims by the way.
I think you could see a person under control with cards like the whip and the tower
I was at another Forum and they raised an interesting question: what of the occult in Lenormand..? Do you even believe in bad juju, or curses and blessings? Can someone be under the influence of a hex? Would it show up in the cards if they were??
In my experience, I haven't see much in terms of that appearing in the cards... Has anyone?
I was raised to believe in curses etc.
I've never seen one in the cards though, as I think they are rare. I would suspect to see the Mountain involved. It is the card of enemies, and close to a person card (especially with the High Tower too) the individual genuinely has cause for concern.
Apparently lenormand is used that way in parts of south America.
Yes, Mario dos Ventos' book The Game of Destiny: Fortune Telling with Lenormand Cards contains information on that subject.
Curses exist. Magic exists. Negative energy flows around just like positive does. I haven't had this with Lenormand but I had scary experiences with Tarot and that's when I stopped reading it. I put all my decks in salt, in a box, and took them away. It wasn't fun at all. I had opened doors I didn't know how to deal with. Now I know better and keep my fences in order.
I had scary experiences with Tarot and that's when I stopped reading it. I put all my decks in salt, in a box, and took them away. It wasn't fun at all. I had opened doors I didn't know how to deal with. Now I know better and keep my fences in order.
Could you please elaborate? What was scary about tarot? What doors did you open and how do you keep your fences in order?
Yes, Mario dos Ventos' book The Game of Destiny: Fortune Telling with Lenormand Cards contains information on that subject.
yes i had it, i quite liked it
Curses exist. Magic exists. Negative energy flows around just like positive does. I haven't had this with Lenormand but I had scary experiences with Tarot and that's when I stopped reading it. I put all my decks in salt, in a box, and took them away. It wasn't fun at all. I had opened doors I didn't know how to deal with. Now I know better and keep my fences in order.
I didnt say that negativity doesnt exist i just said to be affected you have to be vulnerable. I once had a witch try and make me ill becuase a guy was paying me attention at a party, and she wanted the guy. it wasnt nice for my friend sitting next to me, but lucky i was protected enough it didnt hit me. so if your not vulnerable you wont be affected, or if your well protected you will be okay.
i was raised to beleive in stuff like that, i had a few scary energy attacks when i was younger too, and i was very lucky, but i was vulnerable by being young and sensitive.
its your choice to beleive curses exist or magic does, i personally dont beleive it, but negative energy i do beleive in
Cerulean
22-04-2012, 08:36
and it seems while her 'biography' of Empress Josephine was her own fictions, I am impressed the Madamoiselle LeNormand writing style as translated was just as cheerfully lavish with awe at Empress Josephine's 'natural' gifts. I bought and read it for the hopes of reading more about cartomancy and curiousity if LeNormand was a magician of sorts...
I was curious as I read Dummett, Decker and DePaulis' History of the Occult Tarot and they describe Madame LeNormand using tools more as a 'sorceress' would--and in reading the "occultish" parts of Madamoiselle LeNormand's biography of Empress Josephine, I find face-reading, palmistry and perhaps a sentence or two of the Madamoiselle LeNormand's predictive skills. It didn't seem the French LeNormand did anything related to be able to change fate--at least what I recall in the translation I read, it seemed to have read with the footnotes of her predictive skills. She seemed to angling for the idea that she could 'read' what fate had in store.
I did not get the sense the original Madam LeNormand knew about hexing, spells...perhaps I didn't read it right.
The pictures in the 19th century French, English and American and some German cartomancy, children's games, cards that I've seen in Encyclopedias and auction collections seem more about young love, romantic parlour games, plays, courtly and fashionable genres..
In contrast, with modern or twentieth century practices...I was excited though to read that there are 'LeNormand'-named pamphlets and spreads using Hombre cards in South America--
http://books.google.com/books/about/Fate_Fortune_Mysticism_in_the_Peruvian_A.html?id=p yF3PMIRs8QC
Hope you can preview the book and read a little more about it. It's not actually the LeNormand cards, though, just this book talks about the pamphlets and spreads are 'attributed' to Madam LeNormand's cartomancy.
Cerulean
I was at another Forum and they raised an interesting question: what of the occult in Lenormand..? Do you even believe in bad juju, or curses and blessings? Can someone be under the influence of a hex? Would it show up in the cards if they were??
In my experience, I haven't see much in terms of that appearing in the cards... Has anyone?
lord_ewin
23-04-2012, 03:27
Thank you all for your answers. I will look fo that book that you recommended Astraea. :)
Ronia, I would also like to know more about your experience! I had something similar happen with Ouija, and I haven't touched a board since 1994!
I'd like to hear about your experience Ronia. I have a tarot deck that I've only used occasionally and haven't touched in years because of a bad experience. It really seems to hate me.
I know someone who had some horrible experiences with the Oracle de Triade, and it did seem that the deck hated her. I have to admit I tend to have to psych myself up for that deck and never use it professionally.
I will look fo that book that you recommended Astraea.
It's an interesting book, not quite the text I had been hoping for at the time of its publication (2007) - but I re-read it last year and found much of value in it. Dos Ventos encourages readers to skip the sections on spiritual practice if that is not what they're looking for. Overall, it's a useful addition to the Lenormand reader's library - though pricey, at over $30 USD.
It's an interesting book, not quite the text I had been hoping for at the time of its publication (2007) - but I re-read it last year and found much of value in it. Dos Ventos encourages readers to skip the sections on spiritual practice if that is not what they're looking for. Overall, it's a useful addition to the Lenormand reader's library - though pricey, at over $30 USD.
I think there were some quite cheap copies on AbeBooks. Someone left a comment on my blog about it.
Mario was/is a great Lenormand reader, he was meant to know his stuff and people who had readings with him found them very detailed and accurate. But I just found the book very much a let down.
Edited to say - he seems to have gone very quiet of late, does anyone know what happened to him/where he is? He was meant to be publishing another Lenormand book in 2009.
For me, it was the Cosmic Tarot. I really like the images in the deck, but it doesn't like me. I've been meaning to get another RW inspired deck to replace it, but none of the others have ever really appealed to me.
I thought I'd like that text, but found all the celebrities faces a little uncomfortable. I can't quite describe it - but it just didn't work. So I gave it away.
I think there were some quite cheap copies on AbeBooks. Someone left a comment on my blog about it...But I just found the book very much a let down.
Yes, that was my take on it, too. When I read it again, I noticed things about it that had escaped me before. I think it's useful as a cross-reference (especially for combinations), though certainly not essential. I have not heard anything about dos Ventos since The Game of Destiny appeared, and did not realize that he'd been planning another book.
Sorry guys, I'm not willing to go back to this. It's all energy, yes. To keep your fence in order, just stay strong and positive but choose your favorite style to defend yourself when necessary. :)