Circle For Unorthodox Readers

[LadyZelda]

This is a restricted thread; to participate you need to first ask me through a PM.

This circle is meant for “Unorthodox Readers” who do not go “by the book”, “The Open Minded”, “Free Range Readers” not limited to the “feedlot” of traditions; we are the “Free Spirits”, who can’t abide in a box.

If you are a traditionalist or lean toward that side, or if you feel more comfortable well surrounded by the walls of traditions; please, follow this link:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=175185

Lord Ewin started a thread that will be perfect for your needs; you will benefit from it and will feel at ease there.

Moreover, before you register by PM me, you need to know that debates are not allowed in this circle; "only courteous and peaceful discussions done with respect for each other’s views about the Lenormand Oracle cards." Any comment that is about a fellow reader, about “The” way of reading cards (even if it’s about the Lenormand Oracle), about the benefits and/or rightness of the traditional way versus the unorthodox way, etc… "is not allowed to be posted on this thread."

If you have something to say besides giving the meaning of the cards/combinations/or sharing a spread you know about; you will need to do so via PM. And if you have any question regarding the way this circle operates, you will also have to PM me, Thanks :D

Any infraction will be reported to our Moderators. It is not my style to put down “dos and don’ts”, but the experience of starting 2 threads taught me that I cannot start this one any differently.

Our circle meets in this lounge, enjoying a friendly atmosphere, with “a cup of coffee/tea and some cookies”;) to share what we discovered about the meaning of the cards from our personal study; taking full advantage of the exquisite art that the Oracle offers; knowing that “A picture is worth a 1000 words”:) This is the place to let your Intuition free to do the talking!...:D

The goal of this circle is to go over the entire deck, card by card; looking also at card combinations, and dive into diverse spreads beyond the traditional ones; with our own personal creation added on the top of that!;)

We do not have a specific deck with which we all study. Each reader just uses the one of their choice. If you don’t really know which one to pick; you might want to choose the one which art speaks the most to you (at least this is the way I do); especially, as we are not going by “the book”.

I will make “announcements” on this thread to let all members of this circle know about our schedule and the topic of each session.

Thanks for stopping by and if you are interested in being a member of this circle, please remember that registration and/or questions and/or comments are done by PM me. Thanks again, Peace:D

Lady Zelda

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[celticnoodle]

Thank you, Lady Zelda for starting this thread, and as you requested of me, I will copy and paste my previous thoughts on the first card, the rider. I am using the Mystical Lenormand Oracle Cards for this thread.

Rider. The man in this picture seems to be in somewhat of a hurry to get someplace, and I generally see anyone on a horse galloping away as a card of travel. it can also be a message to be delivered. the rider is dressed in armor but I don't see any weapon, so I do not get the feeling of going to battle.

He also seems to be a bit oblivious of the danger, as there is a snake there on the ground who even seems posed to strike at him. Riding a unicorn in my deck, (using the Mystical Lenormand btw), I'd say that this card bodes good will over all. I also recall how the unicorn can have spiritual meanings so perhaps this card is speaking of messages that are spiritual in some sense? Or a trip somewhere that would be spiritually related even.

Perhaps I should just leave it at a good message and/or a trip somewhere pleasant. The snake at the bottom of the card however does worry me, so it may be that the news to be delivered and the trip is somewhat unplanned, and or the messenger is unsure how it will be recieved.

[Empath111]

Thanks LZ for organizing this! Looking forward to it:) Here's what I wrote up too in the other thread about The Rider
My view of the Rider:
Well, "folly" comes to mind, but then I see that snake in their path...but no one (horse or rider) seems to notice the snake. the snake also looks like it's hissing at them. But they are on their merry way.

Health: Nothing serious because it was caught quick. Otherwise could have been worse. (looking at that snake)

Financial: On your way to getting better.

Love: new, fresh - maybe like a crush. Nothing serious yet. Fun and light. Exciting but in a giddy (versus sexual) way.

Career: moving along steadily. Keep on your toes..don't want to get bit by that snake. Even though you could crush him It could hold you back some. OR - don't get caught up in "doing what it takes" to climb that ladder. Stay true to yourself and get it by effort and you will be successful.

General meaning: Movement. Folly. Light. Keep on alert as you go your merry way for small setbacks. new beginnings. fresh and easy-going.

[LadyZelda]

Thanks Celticnoodle & Empath for your insights on The Rider. You both made very good points!:)

I agree with the idea of the snake reminding us about caution without being allarmed and the Unicorn reminding of a new/info/trip related to the spiritual like a spiritual retreat, info on a spiritual journey, or seminar, etc....these are interesting details shown in the Mystical Lenormand and not in other decks. Which led me to get my Mystical out and look at both the Carta Mundi and The Mystical;) Thank you both for the inspiration :D

So now here is what I've got from my study of The Rider:

General meaning:

Getting news about a certain matter, movement, going places, someone that is not close by pay a visit, news from afar, advancement, new horizons, changes, going further with a project. Leaving our comfort zone to adventure toward the unknown. News, info about a current project. Sense of fast action, quickness of events.

The carta mundi:

The rider seems to look around admiring the landscape, he left “the world” behind (there is a castle in the back) going on an “adventurous” path. He is riding in a peaceful manner. For me this gives the message that while we are on “our way” toward a certain goal, whether it is about increasing our knowledge, “climbing the ladder” regarding our career or our life in general, whatever we are trying to accomplished, we should enjoy ourselves while doing so. Being determined doesn’t mean we can’t have pleasure at the same time. This card is about news and communication and the attitude of the Rider seem to say “observe, pay attention, to the context of this news, or situation.”

The Mystical Lenormand:

Shows a variety of landscape, mountain, green valley, and a snake kind of disturbing the peace of this green valley as it is ready to bite. All this reminds me that nothing in life is black or white. A rose is pretty and a pleasure to behold but also has thorns so we have to know how to handle it if we don’t want to get hurt, that we should be prepared for whatever comes out (green valley, mountain or snake).

Nonetheless, as the main meaning of the card is positive; I believe that it is the cards combination that will determine if we deal with a mountain, valley or snake and also if we are the herald or the recipient.

The mountain: resistance, the message will not be well received or will be seen as an obstacle, could cause a communication blockage with the recipient

The green valley: acceptance, the news/info/message will be welcome and positively received and will bear fruits.

The snake ready to bite: negative reactions or negative results from the message, such as causing pain, strife and division, turning into gossips, or the truth of this message being twisted into lies, or would be taken as an offense creating a desire to retaliate.

The symbol of Mercury (right upper corner) speaks of: intellect, communication and understanding and the symbol of this planet advises us to use our head, to do not jump into conclusions but to analyze and understand that news/info/message/journey. Or that we will get a better understanding of the situation, or a news/info/message will clarify a situation.

The helmet that the rider wears also adds on to this idea “to keep watch over thoughts and mind concerning that news/info/message/journey; to think everything through. To think about the big picture, to think on a higher level not to get stuck with a too much down to earth, can’t see further than my nose attitude, (his helmet has wings)

The rider looks focused and peaceful. This is the attitude we should have. It tells us to keep our composure, to hold on to our peace, to do not dread nor fear, to be confident, whatever the nature of this news/info/message/journey.

The unicorn tells us to draw into our inner power and that whatever it is we have what it takes to turn the table on our favor. Magic is there if we only believe. Also that we hold the reins, just like this rider does; we are in charge, it is a call for action, to make things happen. A time when what we have planned is now taking place, a project went from thoughts/idea to action, practice.

Much more than the Carta Mundi or GDR, the Mystical pictures the sense of “speed”, “quickness”, that is linked to this card as the timing is supposed to be within 2 days, fast. The Unicorn galloping, the cape of the rider flying, as well as the wings on the helmet also speak of speed. Whatever it is will come very quickly. It gives also a sense of importance, urgency, whatever it is needs to be done.


Health:

News/info about health state. Receiving news/info about a treatment from another country or that will come from someone that is not from the medical staff that one is dealing with. Taking charge of a health problem; advice not to fear or dread whatever health problem, to open communication about what is going on. Quick recovery.

Financial:

News about financial project, application, and investment Improvement, things start to be more active. Taking charge of finances going further, being ready to move around, to go get the money where it is. Money coming quickly.

Love:

New encounter, romantic partner, evolution, quickly fall in love, adventurous relationship, going forward, taking action. Advice to be aware of ups and downs, news/info about a lover, or a lover that is not from one's close circle, someone not living close by.

Career:

News/info about a job, getting a message about a job application. Going further, news about advancement, things are progressing, job that includes going from place to place, a traveling salesman, outdoor job, job with animals. Whatever it is comes fast.

[annie27]

This is a restricted thread; to participate you need to first ask me through a PM.

This circle is meant for “Unorthodox Readers” who do not go “by the book”, “The Open Minded”, “Free Range Readers” not limited to the “feedlot” of traditions; we are the “Free Spirits”, who can’t abide in a box.

If you are a traditionalist or lean toward that side, or if you feel more comfortable well surrounded by the walls of traditions; please, follow this link:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=175185

Lord Ewin started a thread that will be perfect for your needs; you will benefit from it and will feel at ease there.

Moreover, before you register by PM me, you need to know that debates are not allowed in this circle; "only courteous and peaceful discussions done with respect for each other’s views about the Lenormand Oracle cards." Any comment that is about a fellow reader, about “The” way of reading cards (even if it’s about the Lenormand Oracle), about the benefits and/or rightness of the traditional way versus the unorthodox way, etc… "is not allowed to be posted on this thread."

If you have something to say besides giving the meaning of the cards/combinations/or sharing a spread you know about; you will need to do so via PM. And if you have any question regarding the way this circle operates, you will also have to PM me, Thanks :D

Any infraction will be reported to our Moderators. It is not my style to put down “dos and don’ts”, but the experience of starting 2 threads taught me that I cannot start this one any differently.

Our circle meets in this lounge, enjoying a friendly atmosphere, with “a cup of coffee/tea and some cookies”;) to share what we discovered about the meaning of the cards from our personal study; taking full advantage of the exquisite art that the Oracle offers; knowing that “A picture is worth a 1000 words”:) This is the place to let your Intuition free to do the talking!...:D

The goal of this circle is to go over the entire deck, card by card; looking also at card combinations, and dive into diverse spreads beyond the traditional ones; with our own personal creation added on the top of that!;)

We do not have a specific deck with which we all study. Each reader just uses the one of their choice. If you don’t really know which one to pick; you might want to choose the one which art speaks the most to you (at least this is the way I do); especially, as we are not going by “the book”.

I will make “announcements” on this thread to let all members of this circle know about our schedule and the topic of each session.

Thanks for stopping by and if you are interested in being a member of this circle, please remember that registration and/or questions and/or comments are done by PM me. Thanks again, Peace:D

Lady Zelda

I would like to participate. Please direct as how to do so. Thanks

[LadyZelda]

For our next session we'll be studying the Rider's combination with all the other cards.

You can post the fruits of your personal study anytime, starting Saturday 5th and we'll discuss about it during the following days.

[Empath111]

For our next session we'll be studying the Rider's combination with all the other cards.

You can post the fruits of your personal study anytime, starting Saturday 5th and we'll discuss about it during the following days.

Hi LZ!
I have a question. So we are posting all of the combos for the next study? Just making sure :)
ETA: In other words..my next post should include the Rider combined with each card?

[LadyZelda]

Hi LZ!
I have a question. So we are posting all of the combos for the next study? Just making sure :)
ETA: In other words..my next post should include the Rider combined with each card?

Yep!;) you do Rider/Clover, Rider/Ship, Rider/House, etc...till the last card of the deck.

Do only the meaning "Rider with" like Rider/Clover but don't study "Clover/Rider" as this will be done when we study The Clover...

Give as many possibilities as you can come up with knowing that one possibility won't cover all the possible meanings for all readings. That is why, in the end, I have found books and courses kind of useless for the combinations. Combinations do not narrow down to "1 set of meaning fits it all", it has to be customized with the subject of your reading (this being true especially when you do not do a "general" reading; by "general" I mean the readings you do without a particular question, or theme in mind).

For example, recently I've done a reading that had nothing to do with "love". One of the combinations was:

Key + Heart So inavitably books and courses were aiming at "a love situation" and were giving:

"soul mate, spiritual love, karmic relationship"

The other source said:

"New/old love will definitely appear"

Therefore, that was completely inaccurate for my reading as my inquiry had nothing to do with love...

That is why, we can't rely on a "typical" meaning, we have to work with our own reading. Thus, we probably won't be able to post an "exhaustive" list of "all" the possibilities for "all" the readings that we would do; but we will have as many as we can discover ;)

Happy study :)

[Empath111]

Yep!;) you do Rider/Clover, Rider/Ship, Rider/House, etc...till the last card of the deck.

Do only the meaning "Rider with" like Rider/Clover but don't study "Clover/Rider" as this will be done when we study The Clover...

Give as many possibilities as you can come up with knowing that one possibility won't cover all the possible meanings for all readings. That is why, in the end, I have found books and courses kind of useless for the combinations. Combinations do not narrow down to "1 set of meaning fits it all", it has to be customized with the subject of your reading (this being true especially when you do not do a "general" reading; by "general" I mean the readings you do without a particular question, or theme in mind).

For example, recently I've done a reading that had nothing to do with "love". One of the combinations was:

Key + Heart So inavitably books and courses were aiming at "a love situation" and were giving:

"soul mate, spiritual love, karmic relationship"

The other source said:

"New/old love will definitely appear"

Therefore, that was completely inaccurate for my reading as my inquiry had nothing to do with love...

That is why, we can't rely on a "typical" meaning, we have to work with our own reading. Thus, we probably won't be able to post an "exhaustive" list of "all" the possibilities for "all" the readings that we would do; but we will have as many as we can discover ;)

Happy study :)

Gotcha;) And thank you for the examples too!

[LadyZelda]

Empath, before you post your combinations, please read the PM I sent you about it.

For all other members, please, do not post about the combinations right now, wait until I place a final announcement about it.

Thanks! :D

[celticnoodle]

Just returned from our vacation and looking at a ton of laundry to do tomorrow. we still do not have our new washer and dryer, so I'll be hanging out at the laundry mat all day tomorrow, I think. :rolleyes: but, glad to have read this, so I won't start till you post more. I'm eager to get onto it though! :D

[LadyZelda]

Good to have you back Celticnoodle!;) Please, read the PM I sent you explaining the changes in our study :D

For this session, we will post our interpretation of:

-The Clover

and

- The Ship

Everyone can do so, all the way to Friday as next Saturday we will move on to the next card or cards (if we see that we can study 2 cards per week ;) )

[Empath111]

Good to have you back Celticnoodle!;) Please, read the PM I sent you explaining the changes in our study :D


For this session, we will post our interpretation of:

-The Clover

and

- The Ship

Everyone can do so, all the way to Friday as next Saturday we will move on to the next card or cards (if we see that we can study 2 cards per week ;) )

Perfect!! :)

[celticnoodle]

Will do and excited about getting back into this! :)

[LadyZelda]

Here is my interpretation of the Clover using the Mystical Lenormand.

2- The Clover

Interpretation of symbolisms:

Right upper corner, we have an arrow symbol. Possibly the planetary symbol of “Mars” even if the circle isn’t clearly shown; if it would be so, then it gives a detail about having a quick mind to “seize” lucky opportunities, being energetic being a "go getter".

Possibly, astrological sign of The Sagittarius: This symbol invites us to be optimistic and hopeful, anything linked to luck requires a positive, optimistic mind to carry through, be adventurous ready to jump in the water, in other words if luck passes by, seize it, act on it, buy that lottery ticket, act fast because it won’t wait on you!

The arrow in general represents:
Speed, aiming for a target, getting what you want as long as you quickly act and shoot your arrow right on target.

The 4 leaf Clover:
This is a well-known good luck charm, fulfillment of wishes… these clovers are dancing and seem very happy. Happiness is linked to this strike of luck. They invite us to rejoice at the opportunity, at luck that is at our door. There are 3 of clover plants showing prosperity, increase.
And the fact that they are in full bloom also indicates that whatever we have started will prosper, things are ripe for the taking, and behind the clovers is radiance, so it is like all has been set up for good fortune, the energy of the universe has been set in motion to give us success. Magic is in the air!
The fact that they are “red clovers” (as opposed to the white clovers) indicates vitality, being active, energetic and also the red clover in itself is a very nutritious plant, as a forage it is very satisfying to livestock. Which symbolically would mean that we would be very satisfied with the end results, whatever happens will bring contentment.

The 2 ladybugs:
They are symbol of luck, and love. 2 of them talks about unity telling us also to cooperate with the universe as luck knocks at our door, if we want to get the benefits from it. Ladybugs are believed to be messengers between the physical realm and spiritual realm. When you are “lucky” to have one land on you, it is the sign that you are invited to express your desires, wishes, request to the “universe” or any deity you worship. Thus, you are supposed to tell all about it to the Ladybug which will carry this message for you; and you are also assured to have your request answered, or to see your desire or wish come true.
The Ladybug also speaks of “seizing” the moment, because it won’t stay on you all day long! You are supposed to act quickly before it flies away.

General meaning:

Luck in any area, doors are opening wide, success, positive turn of a situation, things are blooming, progressing in the right direction, prosperity, opportunity, sudden turn of the wheel for the better, improvement, gambling, winning if one participate in any gambling, drawing, or game. This card has a symbol of speed attached to it, thus it invite to “seize” the opportunity, to step in as soon as the door of luck opens because it will not remain like that.

Health:
A turn for the better, good health. Herbal remedies are suggested.

Financial:
Lucky gain, sudden outpouring of money, lucky investment, prosperity

Love:
Finding a partner when not expecting it, being at the right time at the right place to meet someone, a relationship gets another chance. Now is the time to declare your flame, don't miss the opportunity!...

Career:
Unexpected opportunity, luck with a job application, promotion granted, get the job you dreamed of and that seemed inaccessible

Spiritually:
Time to contact the spiritual realm, you will be heard. Good connection with the spiritual realm. Happy spiritual endeavors, opportunity to bloom spiritually.

Timing:
Quick.

(It is said: sudden and unexpected within 4 days, or that the number 2 can indicate 2 days, 2 weeks, etc…)

The 6 of Diamond in the Carta Mundi:
Speaks of gifts, rewards, financial gain. The suit of Diamond is linked to finance and material things.

Question:
Does any of you know for sure if the arrow symbol in the right upper corner is about the planetary or astrological symbol or just an arrow??? ;)

[celticnoodle]

Good to have you back Celticnoodle!;) Please, read the PM I sent you explaining the changes in our study :D


For this session, we will post our interpretation of:

-The Clover

and

- The Ship

Everyone can do so, all the way to Friday as next Saturday we will move on to the next card or cards (if we see that we can study 2 cards per week ;) )

Okay, the Clover and The Ship--

First The Clover:

Overall, this card leaves me feeling happy and content. The clover flower in my Lenromand deck, (The Mystical Lenormand) seems to be dancing with two other clover flowers that are carried by two lady bugs. the whole scene just feels good.

Now, I realize I didn't do this interpretation with all these factors in the first card--so will do so from now on.

Health: Good health, and perhaps because the flowers seem to be rejoicing in a sort of dance, perhaps it could even mean a return to good health. I couldn't help but to see a part of what LZ posted on this and it is invading my thoughts, so I will put down also that it could indicate herbal remedies being used. I'd especially think this now that I read it by LZ, because I also know that clover is an herb that can be used for many ailments.

Financial: Since the clover is also thought of as a good luck symbol, and especially if it is a 4 leaf clover, which in my card the main clover is a 4 leaf clover, I'd say there is a strong possibility of financial gain here in this card. some luck coming the clients way.

Love: As card for love, I feel again it would be indicative of happiness and content in love--any love relationship--not just a man/woman love relationship, but among any relationship. It also seems to indicate a parental relationship, as the main clover flower is large and the two smaller clover flowers are on either side of the large one, which gives an idea of mother/child or father/child relationship to me. This could further my thoughts of a feeling of protection and guidance, and especially with the two lady bugs holding the smaller clover flowers. Perhaps it may even mean spiritual guidance under the direction of a parent or another?

Career: a guidance counselor or counselor of any type perhaps. A spirit guide/spiritual guidance person, such as a priest or shaman or other spiritually led guide. A director of sorts who directs in such a way that it is always pleasant. Also something to do with theatre or dance--as these clover flowers seem to be dancing or could be giving a performance.

Spiritually: Again, as I mentioned above under the heading of love--This could further my thoughts of a feeling of protection and guidance, and especially with the two lady bugs holding the smaller clover flowers. Perhaps it may even mean spiritual guidance under the direction of a parent or another? Also, lady bugs are symbolic of the Blessed Mother, in fact they were apparently given the name "Lady Bug" in honor of the BM. So, I would have to consider this as well in the reading if this card appeared. Maybe it could even mean motherly love and guidance?

Timing: I have to fall back on the fact of going with the number '2' here on the card would lead me to say timing would be a '2'. This could be 2 days, 2weeks, 2 months, or 2yrs. Though because it is also a very green colored card, this makes me feel like the season would be spring. Though I also keep thinking the 2nd month of the year--February.



Question:
Does any of you know for sure if the arrow symbol in the right upper corner is about the planetary or astrological symbol or just an arrow???

Yes, these are the planetary & astrological symbols for each of the cards. the arrow on the clover card is assigned to the planet Mars, which shows passion. here is a site that I found that has the glyphs that are on some of the cards covered. I'm not sure what to think of the symbols that are on the other cards, such as the ship. The ship card has the symbol IX in the upper right hand corner--but not sure what it should symbolize, unless you just go with the number symbolism on this?

http://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/symbols-and-glyphs-of-astrology/

I didn't even think of this before and it may be wise to do so, of course. perhaps this website I mentioned above will help us further--or perhaps someone knows of a better site?

Now for the ship:

Over all the ship naturally conjures up feelings of travel--and especially travel abroad for me, as the sails are quite full and no site of land in this card. A whale swims close by the ship, giving feeling of this being on the ocean sailing. I know whales are symbolic of compassion and spiritualism. they are also symbolic of a creative person. The water in this card speaks of emotions, and because the whale is a large creature, perhaps it can also speak of the need to deal with some emotional baggage that is needed to be dealt with? Overall, this picture, (and the whale in it) seems to be a happy card, so it may be the emotions needing to be dealt with have a happy feeling tied to it? it looks almost like the whale is smiling, so it could indicate that the client has dealt with something emotional or perhaps has finally found a way to do so, since the whale is swimming in tune w/the ship? full speed ahead! that is the general meaning if tied to an emotional issue.

If we are to incorporate the number 9 as written in the corner, then indeed, it could suggest that we have found the answer, as the number nine is symbolic of completeness and attainment of goals. So, for this card, we can assume that if it is dealing with an emotional issue, the client has found a way to understand and move on in life that is beneficial for them.

Health: this card would suggest moving from a hard emotional time to a better future--possibly with some exercising/(think water and swimming/exercising? & fresh air?).

Financial: due to the whale and the nine symbol, I'd say that with some creativity from the client, things will be moving in the direction of a better and more secure future. Possibly requiring some traveling/relocation for the client as well.

Love: As far as love goes, I don't necessarily see this as a couples coming together card, but perhaps it is speaking of a good long relationship. as I mentioned before, it shows attainment--so perhaps it would speak of the current relationship one is in will be a long happy one? however, I do not believe whales mate for life, so this throws the card out of sync a bit with that, doesn't it? something more to explore I think.

Career: one that would involve a lot of traveling or perhaps something involving ships and/or fishing.

Spiritually: a very spiritual card this one--with the water, the ship and the whale. We all associate water with emotions and spiritualism too--water is essential for life after all and thought of as a great spiritual cleanser. whales are also symbolic of life and death--so I could see this as a spiritual breakthrough with the spiritual side of things for a client if this card popped up. ships can be seen as exploring ones emotions, if you dream of ships, so I would have to consider this as well.

Timing: perhaps assigning it to the 9th month (September?) or 9 days, 9weeks, 9mos. Even perhaps a time astrologically speaking of a water sign--Pisces (feb), end of June/July for Cancer, and end of October-Nov for Scorpio.


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okay, well after posting my thoughts on both cards, I went back to read LZs and see you only did the clover. Perhaps you are still going to do the ship as well and just didn't get the time yet? your PM to me does state two cards each week--so I'll be patient and hope I didn't jump the gun! :)

[LadyZelda]

okay, well after posting my thoughts on both cards, I went back to read LZs and see you only did the clover. Perhaps you are still going to do the ship as well and just didn't get the time yet? your PM to me does state two cards each week--so I'll be patient and hope I didn't jump the gun! :)

You did just fine! :D I had only done the Clover and had to study the Ship but got caught up with unexpected things...
But I'm now ready to copy/paste my study on the Ship so here we go!;)

3- The Ship

Interpretation of symbolisms:

Right upper corner, this time we have 9 as it is written as a Roman numeral, I believe it must be to make a difference with just a number and to emphasize its symbolism. So far the artist has placed on this corner the planetary symbol of Mercury with the Rider, possibly the one of Mars (unless it would be for the sign of the Sagittarius) on the Clover. If this is a pattern, then this has to be related to either planet or astrology signs and in that case, I’ll say this is one of the astrological houses, thus the 9th House. And it does make sense as the 9th house is following the theme of The Ship. The 9th house is related to far away travels, higher ideals, can be physical or spiritual, etc…

This ship is accompanied by a whale: The whale speaks of a spiritual journey, embracing the unknown, relates to unconscious mind, deep spiritual connection, deeper awareness, calm…Therefore, this Ship is not just about an actual physical trip, it can be about a spiritual journey. The weather is clement, the whale adds to the sense of calmness. Also the whale as come up to get back oxygen thus to breathe deeply, it swims in among the waves so it tells me to keep my peace even when things don’t go very smooth in my life journey.

The Cross on the sail: This speaks of ascension, spiritual navigation (for deeper knowledge, to re-center ourselves) – cyclical navigation: the 4 seasons of life as we travel through them, spiritual connection, rising (vertical arm of the cross) and setting of consciousness (horizontal arm of the cross), transition, balance.

Flags: red: life, actions, energy, enthusiasm – blue: peace, healing, inspiration – green: growth, youth, adventure – white lines on the sails: cleansing, enlightenment, purity, peace. Thus, the flags give us clues about which direction are we going, what is the purpose of this journey.

The winds are favorable and blowing nicely on the sails, so no matter what this is a positive card and the right winds are blowing.

General meaning:

This picture gives a sense of peace, of adventure, tells us that we are “on our way”, that we are sailing to new horizons. We might discover something, meet new people, modify our present course of action, our current life. It speaks of changes, of going further, relocating. It speaks also of freedom, of dreams, and goals, imaginations. People coming into our life or leaving it. Foreign contacts. Can speak of our life journey in general, of a spiritual journey, or a typical trip, other cards of course will really determine the nature of that journey. Can also speak of vacations, of contact with distant relationship, people living far away from us, something, or someone coming to us or leaving us.

Also that life is not just a “calm sea” as the sea is very calm by the horizon but is wavy in the foreground of the picture where the whale swims. Our journeys will be made of diverse cycles, calm or tumultuous we must keep sailing towards our destination, our goal. This card has some of the same themes as the Rider. For the Rider also there was a hint that on his journey he would encounter many different things but that he remained peaceful through it all.

Now, personally I will interpret the direction toward which the ship is sailing when combining with other cards. That is probably not doing it “by the book” but this is my way…and I believe that if I set up that symbolism, the oracle will respond to it and the right cards will fall on the left and right of the Ship to convey the right message (just like for the Rider). Thus, I would interpret a card on the left of the Ship as the direction to which one goes, and on the right as something one leaves.

Health:

Going away for a treatment, time to take a break go in vacation and resource ourselves, need for a change of course of action, need to go away from cities and go out where the air is pure, need to free our minds, water therapy, remedies or diet related to the ocean.

Financial:

Moving further ahead, making investment in new areas, money transaction with other countries, money coming to us from a distant source, using money for travel purposes.

Love:

Changes in our love life, leaving a present relationship or vice versa, moving ahead in a relationship, meeting someone on a trip, having a relationship with someone living far away from us, moving away from loved ones, or toward them (if they live far away and the ship point to the right card), keeping distance in a relationship or time for a couple to take a break and favor their intimacy with a “second honeymoon”, going on a cruise with a mate.

Career:

Having a traveling job, a career involving travel like pilots, flight attendants, working on a boat, The Navy, travelling agent, doing business with people that are not close by, internet sales, business travel, leaving an actual job for something different.

Spiritually:

Sailing to new horizon, going further, spiritual awareness, exploring new level of spirituality, changing the course of our spiritual life and/or beliefs, choosing to get out of the "religious box", turning to foreign, different spirituality, going on a retreat...

Timing:

The ship gives an idea of longer timing. Moreover, a ship like the one on the card took about 1 month to travel cross Atlantic and a steam boat like the France, Queen Mary, etc…took about 5 days. So, I would interpret that things will take some time.

Now, it is time for me to read what you discovered ;)

[celticnoodle]

3- The Ship

Interpretation of symbolisms:

Right upper corner, this time we have 9 as it is written as a Roman numeral, I believe it must be to make a difference with just a number and to emphasize its symbolism. So far the artist has placed on this corner the planetary symbol of Mercury with the Rider, possibly the one of Mars (unless it would be for the sign of the Sagittarius) on the Clover. If this is a pattern, then this has to be related to either planet or astrology signs and in that case, I’ll say this is one of the astrological houses, thus the 9th House. And it does make sense as the 9th house is following the theme of The Ship. The 9th house is related to far away travels, higher ideals, can be physical or spiritual, etc…

ah! see, I don't know much at all about astrology or the charts, (I leave this to my sister, who is really into all that stuff! perhaps I should buy her a Lenormand deck! :P) So, I learned something big already--from your first paragraph here. :D thank you!


This ship is accompanied by a whale: The whale speaks of a spiritual journey, embracing the unknown, relates to unconscious mind, deep spiritual connection, deeper awareness, calm…Therefore, this Ship is not just about an actual physical trip, it can be about a spiritual journey. The weather is clement, the whale adds to the sense of calmness. Also the whale as come up to get back oxygen thus to breathe deeply, it swims in among the waves so it tells me to keep my peace even when things don’t go very smooth in my life journey.

The Cross on the sail: This speaks of ascension, spiritual navigation (for deeper knowledge, to re-center ourselves) – cyclical navigation: the 4 seasons of life as we travel through them, spiritual connection, rising (vertical arm of the cross) and setting of consciousness (horizontal arm of the cross), transition, balance.

Flags: red: life, actions, energy, enthusiasm – blue: peace, healing, inspiration – green: growth, youth, adventure – white lines on the sails: cleansing, enlightenment, purity, peace. Thus, the flags give us clues about which direction are we going, what is the purpose of this journey.

The winds are favorable and blowing nicely on the sails, so no matter what this is a positive card and the right winds are blowing.

General meaning:

This picture gives a sense of peace, of adventure, tells us that we are “on our way”, that we are sailing to new horizons. We might discover something, meet new people, modify our present course of action, our current life. It speaks of changes, of going further, relocating. It speaks also of freedom, of dreams, and goals, imaginations. People coming into our life or leaving it. Foreign contacts. Can speak of our life journey in general, of a spiritual journey, or a typical trip, other cards of course will really determine the nature of that journey. Can also speak of vacations, of contact with distant relationship, people living far away from us, something, or someone coming to us or leaving us.

Also that life is not just a “calm sea” as the sea is very calm by the horizon but is wavy in the foreground of the picture where the whale swims. Our journeys will be made of diverse cycles, calm or tumultuous we must keep sailing towards our destination, our goal. This card has some of the same themes as the Rider. For the Rider also there was a hint that on his journey he would encounter many different things but that he remained peaceful through it all.

Now, personally I will interpret the direction toward which the ship is sailing when combining with other cards. That is probably not doing it “by the book” but this is my way…and I believe that if I set up that symbolism, the oracle will respond to it and the right cards will fall on the left and right of the Ship to convey the right message (just like for the Rider). Thus, I would interpret a card on the left of the Ship as the direction to which one goes, and on the right as something one leaves.

I fully agree! and, yes, as the ship is facing the left, I'd say it is traveling in that direction, so I'd do the same thing. Generally, I look at the left as something in the past, and the right as something in the future, but in this case, I think I'd do it as you stated here too.


Health:

Going away for a treatment, time to take a break go in vacation and resource ourselves, need for a change of course of action, need to go away from cities and go out where the air is pure, need to free our minds, water therapy, remedies or diet related to the ocean.

Financial:

Moving further ahead, making investment in new areas, money transaction with other countries, money coming to us from a distant source, using money for travel purposes.

Love:

Changes in our love life, leaving a present relationship or vice versa, moving ahead in a relationship, meeting someone on a trip, having a relationship with someone living far away from us, moving away from loved ones, or toward them (if they live far away and the ship point to the right card), keeping distance in a relationship or time for a couple to take a break and favor their intimacy with a “second honeymoon”, going on a cruise with a mate.

Career:

Having a traveling job, a career involving travel like pilots, flight attendants, working on a boat, The Navy, travelling agent, doing business with people that are not close by, internet sales, business travel, leaving an actual job for something different.

Spiritually:

Sailing to new horizon, going further, spiritual awareness, exploring new level of spirituality, changing the course of our spiritual life and/or beliefs, choosing to get out of the "religious box", turning to foreign, different spirituality, going on a retreat...

Timing:

The ship gives an idea of longer timing. Moreover, a ship like the one on the card took about 1 month to travel cross Atlantic and a steam boat like the France, Queen Mary, etc…took about 5 days. So, I would interpret that things will take some time.

Now, it is time for me to read what you discovered ;)

very interesting! Now, looking forward to Empaths thoughts on the cards too.

[LadyZelda]

Once you are done studying and are ready to post; if you are not the first one posting and find out that another member who posted already interpreted the cards about the same way you did....Please, do not refrain from posting your study! It is still beneficial for the others to read it, even the parts that are similar.
We are bound to discover similar things, and that just means that we are "on the same page" spiritually, that the Oracle just speaks the same way to us. It is actually very interesting when this happens!

Also, don't worry about not reading the posts before posting yours, which is what I do... You might miss a question but it's Ok, as you will see it nonetheless once you post. If you wrote a question that your study brought up and see no response to it right away; keep in mind that it is not that I ignored it but because I'd rather wait to read your study until I have finished mine....I think it is the best way for me to give it a good shot on my own;)
The same is true for the question I added when I posted my interpretation of the Clover. It is only now, that I have completed my study for this session that I was able to see that Celticnoodle had answered it!

Anyhow, that is what I wanted to say for now. I still have to read carefully what you posted as so far I've just browsed through it...but I need to go back to my daily tasks for a while:( so, I'll do that later on:)

Thanks for your participation :D

[LadyZelda]

First The Clover: Overall, this card leaves me feeling happy and content....the whole scene just feels good.

Yeah, me too! :D

Love:...the main clover flower is large and the two smaller clover flowers are on either side of the large one, which gives an idea of mother/child or father/child relationship to me. This could further my thoughts of a feeling of protection and guidance, and especially with the two lady bugs holding the smaller clover flowers. Perhaps it may even mean spiritual guidance under the direction of a parent or another?

Good point! I will say to link that to the main theme of The Clover (as this loving/nurturing/guiding relationship can be the main theme of another card), that it would then be that all the relationships and guidance would come “at the appointed time”, like an unexpected thing, like when “luck” knocks at your door. Can be a blooded relationship as well as a “mother, father, big brother/sister” impersonated in a stranger who acts as such…and one could say “I’m lucky to have met, or have such friend”, that person made the difference…

Career: a guidance counselor or counselor of any type perhaps. A spirit guide/spiritual guidance person, such as a priest or shaman or other spiritually led guide. A director of sorts who directs in such a way that it is always pleasant. Also something to do with theatre or dance--as these clover flowers seem to be dancing or could be giving a performance.?

Same here I will say that all works together to enable the querent to find/cross path with a guide/counselor/mentor just at the right time, right when it was needed and because of such person everything turns for the best for the querent, a door opens, same as "luck is at the door" and a position turns up in the theatre/dancing area, etc…

Spiritually:... Also, lady bugs are symbolic of the Blessed Mother, in fact they were apparently given the name "Lady Bug" in honor of the BM. So, I would have to consider this as well in the reading if this card appeared. Maybe it could even mean motherly love and guidance?

This is cool!!! I didn’t know that! The Blessed Mother does have many names like also “Stella Maris” the Star of the Sea, or Kuan Yin for the Chinese people…

So like for the others I believe that what you said is possible while keeping the theme of the Clover which is “luck”.
I believe that because there are enough cards in the Oracle to cover many subjects, and because each card has a “main theme” when we interpret the card in diverse topic such as “health, love, etc…” it would be preferable to always keep the “main theme” of the card in mind while adapting it with the additional details that the art gives as well as the topic. But that is my opinion and this is in no way an “absolute” ;)



Timing: I have to fall back on the fact of going with the number '2' here on the card would lead me to say timing would be a '2'. This could be 2 days, 2weeks, 2 months, or 2yrs. Though because it is also a very green colored card, this makes me feel like the season would be spring. Though I also keep thinking the 2nd month of the year--February.

Yeah, that is one possible way, I guess we will really know as we keep practicing with the oracle. I have seen many people struggle with getting the timing accurate. I have found other ways to time with the Oracle like the kind of spread you use, or the position of the card. Moreover, I believe that the future is always in movement, and timing can keep on changing with every decision, action, step we take…by a mistake we can delay a “future event” or we can make it come faster….I guess we’ll have to experiment! ;)



Yes, these are the planetary & astrological symbols for each of the cards. I'm not sure what to think of the symbols that are on the other cards, such as the ship. The ship card has the symbol IX in the upper right hand corner--but not sure what it should symbolize, unless you just go with the number symbolism on this?

Thanks! :) We then definitely have a planetary/astro pattern with this symbols in the right corner...
Personally, I don't think that the numbers in the upper right corner would be to interpret as just number. I wish the LWB would have let us know what the artist meant for all the symbols placed in the upper right corner...but then, again it is fun to go on that quest and find out on our own...

Thanks for the link that was a good site! here are some more:

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology_houses.php
http://www.starwolfastrology.com/AstrologicalLibrary/AstrologicalHouses.html


Now for the ship:...it looks almost like the whale is smiling, so it could indicate that the client has dealt with something emotional or perhaps has finally found a way to do so, since the whale is swimming in tune w/the ship? full speed ahead! that is the general meaning if tied to an emotional issue.

Good point! Yeah, emotions are involved with the need to go. Often time a trip is advised to people who are depressed, who just got divorced, or widowed…

Love:... but perhaps it is speaking of a good long relationship....so perhaps it would speak of the current relationship one is in will be a long happy one? however, I do not believe whales mate for life, so this throws the card out of sync a bit with that, doesn't it?

I think so too! the Ship does have a sense of length of time. And the card is for me positive, by itself of course, then combinations can make the tide turn...For the whales mating or not for life, well, some say that the Killer Whale mates for life. Still, on the picture it looks more like a humpback whale...but who knows. Personally, I would not let the detail of the whale "love" life influence my interpretation as it is not the main theme. The Ring for example seems to speak more about lifelong commitments (at least it does so far...didn't study on it yet;) ) So, I will say for the Ship, the main theme is about "travel, going places, etc...", so if I would think that the reading suggests a travel and a romantic encounter during that trip, or that a couple is taking a romantic trip, I would not touch in either case the length of the relationship and let other cards give me that detail. Thus, the "whale" symbolism would not be a problem as whether they mate for life or not.


Spiritually: ...whales are also symbolic of life and death--so I could see this as a spiritual breakthrough with the spiritual side of things for a client if this card popped up. ships can be seen as exploring ones emotions, if you dream of ships, so I would have to consider this as well.

Good point!

Very interesting study, thanks for sharing! :D

[Empath111]

(Copied from first post in the old thread..added some more)
mystical
again, trying to not look too much at others and try on my own..then check what others get
well, pretty evident as I look at the 4 leafs and the lady bugs it is a lucky card!
The ladybugs -one playing a violin and the other some sort of horn. happiness, easy-going. go-with the flow sort of energy with that.
The faces in the flowers are a bit strange to me so I am having a hard time with that. two on the side look happy and the middle one...hmm..maybe open to hearing anything? They sort of look like they are dancing to the music...They now look to me like they are swaying in the wind perhaps. Flexibility. able to adapt. This also goes with my "go with the flow" feeling above.

I also will ad something I've learned here before. You try to feel the "energy" of the card. Used to do this face down before flipping it over. pretty cool. so I'll try it out:
OK, when I did this I felt very uplifted. My energy went up into my chest towards my throat. Thinking of chakras. I smiled too. So it is a happy card I feel. One that should lift up other cards. I also wonder with the throat chakra if it helps to open that up- certainly a happy heart. Maybe being able to express joy or happiness..let's say perhaps in a relationship you could so good you want to say it aloud. That might go along with the expression of dancing. So pleased you find ways to express it. The 'rays" coming from the tallest clover/face make it seem like it is beaming.

finances: good luck - lucky break in which something sort of just happened. Didn't have to work very hard for it. Add: A surprise that brings a surge of excitement. So maybe like I have heard- a lottery win. Or maybe like a holiday bonus. Or a bigger raise than expected.

Career: something good that happens, not huge. But maybe a nice surprise? Again..a surprise, but i am changing my tune to something that is unexpectedly bigger. You are told something good about your work. Given praise or a compliment.


Love: Easy-breezy something positive. A certain look or glance someone may give you that makes you feel all warm inside. A surprise that makes you feel a little giddy. A nice flow or union with someone..conversation just flows..is easy. Surprisingly easy and positive. Nothing huge, just small stuff that makes you smile. No big commitments. The feeling I had was almost fluttering - joyful. So now I am thinking maybe like a crush- and you find out your crush likes you back. Or a person of interest (crush sounds so young- but remember that feeling?). Someone expresses their feelings in one way or another.

Health: Good fortune.. good bill of health if asked if something is wrong. Or if sickness is known, gentle recovery..slow but not much pain..it will just improve without much intervention. Unexpected good news. You were afraid you may have something wrong but then you find out you are healthy. the breast biopsy came back negative for example..relief and joy.

Timing: Quick. Days. Maybe 3-4 days.

OK, off to read what you guys wrote! Will do the ship as soon as I can :)

[Empath111]

I love what you wriote! i didn't peek at yours or CN's before I wrote mine. I am happily surprised I hit quite a few points you did!
Here is my interpretation of the Clover using the Mystical Lenormand.

2- The Clover

Interpretation of symbolisms:

Right upper corner, we have an arrow symbol. Possibly the planetary symbol of “Mars” even if the circle isn’t clearly shown; if it would be so, then it gives a detail about having a quick mind to “seize” lucky opportunities, being energetic being a "go getter".

Possibly, astrological sign of The Sagittarius: This symbol invites us to be optimistic and hopeful, anything linked to luck requires a positive, optimistic mind to carry through, be adventurous ready to jump in the water, in other words if luck passes by, seize it, act on it, buy that lottery ticket, act fast because it won’t wait on you!

The arrow in general represents:
Speed, aiming for a target, getting what you want as long as you quickly act and shoot your arrow right on target.
I don't know the signs. But i saw the arrow and didn't mention it. i really like your interpretation because the quickness and optimistic attitudes were my themes too. I like the term "optimistic".

The 4 leaf Clover:
This is a well-known good luck charm, fulfillment of wishes… these clovers are dancing and seem very happy. Happiness is linked to this strike of luck. They invite us to rejoice at the opportunity, at luck that is at our door. There are 3 of clover plants showing prosperity, increase.
And the fact that they are in full bloom also indicates that whatever we have started will prosper, things are ripe for the taking, and behind the clovers is radiance, so it is like all has been set up for good fortune, the energy of the universe has been set in motion to give us success. Magic is in the air!
The fact that they are “red clovers” (as opposed to the white clovers) indicates vitality, being active, energetic and also the red clover in itself is a very nutritious plant, as a forage it is very satisfying to livestock. Which symbolically would mean that we would be very satisfied with the end results, whatever happens will bring contentment.
Magic, proper..great words! I felt that "magical" feeling but could not describe as you did- great word. I didn't even think of the colors- love that you did and your interpretation.

The 2 ladybugs:
They are symbol of luck, and love. 2 of them talks about unity telling us also to cooperate with the universe as luck knocks at our door, if we want to get the benefits from it. Ladybugs are believed to be messengers between the physical realm and spiritual realm. When you are “lucky” to have one land on you, it is the sign that you are invited to express your desires, wishes, request to the “universe” or any deity you worship. Thus, you are supposed to tell all about it to the Ladybug which will carry this message for you; and you are also assured to have your request answered, or to see your desire or wish come true.
The Ladybug also speaks of “seizing” the moment, because it won’t stay on you all day long! You are supposed to act quickly before it flies away.I didn't mention the ladybugs much- I know they are important but an oversight. Just mentioned them playing the instruments. I love the "seize the moment" pick-up. I had NO idea they were messengers from the physical-->spiritual realm- thank you for that! Desires/wishes- again, great feelings I sensed - but you came up with the words! message carrier- never thought of it!


General meaning:

Luck in any area, doors are opening wide, success, positive turn of a situation, things are blooming, progressing in the right direction, prosperity, opportunity, sudden turn of the wheel for the better, improvement, gambling, winning if one participate in any gambling, drawing, or game. This card has a symbol of speed attached to it, thus it invite to “seize” the opportunity, to step in as soon as the door of luck opens because it will not remain like that.
I like this- I have similar stuff :)

Health:
A turn for the better, good health. Herbal remedies are suggested.
Herbal remedies. cool. never thought of it!

Financial:
Lucky gain, sudden outpouring of money, lucky investment, prosperity
similar stuff for me too

Love:
Finding a partner when not expecting it, being at the right time at the right place to meet someone, a relationship gets another chance. Now is the time to declare your flame, don't miss the opportunity!...
Love not missing the opportunity- great pick-up!

Career:
Unexpected opportunity, luck with a job application, promotion granted, get the job you dreamed of and that seemed inaccessible
Wow- ours are VERY similar!

Spiritually:
Time to contact the spiritual realm, you will be heard. Good connection with the spiritual realm. Happy spiritual endeavors, opportunity to bloom spiritually.
I missed covering this topic. Very good interpretations. Love the "opportunity to bloom spiritually"

Timing:
Quick.

(It is said: sudden and unexpected within 4 days, or that the number 2 can indicate 2 days, 2 weeks, etc…)
ahh- I said 3-4 days:) Glad we are close- I said quick too! How did I miss adding the number 2? haha

The 6 of Diamond in the Carta Mundi:
Speaks of gifts, rewards, financial gain. The suit of Diamond is linked to finance and material things.

Question:
Does any of you know for sure if the arrow symbol in the right upper corner is about the planetary or astrological symbol or just an arrow??? ;)
let me get my handy-dandy book.
Steinbach: "The ruler of the cover is Jupiter (good fortune). The Astrological sign is Sagittarius-fire element-(November 21st-December21st). The clover's month is February (second month of the year)."

*I only looked up Steinbach's interpretation. Might be different with the old school. i can look that up too.

[Empath111]

Okay, the Clover and The Ship--

First The Clover:

Overall, this card leaves me feeling happy and content. The clover flower in my Lenromand deck, (The Mystical Lenormand) seems to be dancing with two other clover flowers that are carried by two lady bugs. the whole scene just feels good.

Now, I realize I didn't do this interpretation with all these factors in the first card--so will do so from now on.I had the same feeling:)


Health: Good health, and perhaps because the flowers seem to be rejoicing in a sort of dance, perhaps it could even mean a return to good health. I couldn't help but to see a part of what LZ posted on this and it is invading my thoughts, so I will put down also that it could indicate herbal remedies being used. I'd especially think this now that I read it by LZ, because I also know that clover is an herb that can be used for many ailments.

rejoicing is a great word! I like how you linked the clover to herb. the flowers also remind me of some sort of herb I can't put my finger on....
I missed the whole herb piece.

Financial: Since the clover is also thought of as a good luck symbol, and especially if it is a 4 leaf clover, which in my card the main clover is a 4 leaf clover, I'd say there is a strong possibility of financial gain here in this card. some luck coming the clients way.

:) i agree

Love: As card for love, I feel again it would be indicative of happiness and content in love--any love relationship--not just a man/woman love relationship, but among any relationship. It also seems to indicate a parental relationship, as the main clover flower is large and the two smaller clover flowers are on either side of the large one, which gives an idea of mother/child or father/child relationship to me. This could further my thoughts of a feeling of protection and guidance, and especially with the two lady bugs holding the smaller clover flowers. Perhaps it may even mean spiritual guidance under the direction of a parent or another?
I love the parental relationship- one larger (parent) 2 smaller. great pick-up! Protection and guidance - another thing I didn't think of. great pick ups!

Career: a guidance counselor or counselor of any type perhaps. A spirit guide/spiritual guidance person, such as a priest or shaman or other spiritually led guide. A director of sorts who directs in such a way that it is always pleasant. Also something to do with theatre or dance--as these clover flowers seem to be dancing or could be giving a performance.
Never thought of a guide or counselor. Is that because one is larger than the two? (flowers). Great pick up again. Theater or dance is perfect!

Spiritually: Again, as I mentioned above under the heading of love--This could further my thoughts of a feeling of protection and guidance, and especially with the two lady bugs holding the smaller clover flowers. Perhaps it may even mean spiritual guidance under the direction of a parent or another? Also, lady bugs are symbolic of the Blessed Mother, in fact they were apparently given the name "Lady Bug" in honor of the BM. So, I would have to consider this as well in the reading if this card appeared. Maybe it could even mean motherly love and guidance?
Spiritual guidance - again, missed that. Not to muddy the waters, but almost like the Hierophant? I did NOT know the ladybugs are a sign of the Blessed Mother (now recall you wrote this in last post) and I love this! Again, motherly love is perfect. It also brings in your thought of protection! :)

Timing: I have to fall back on the fact of going with the number '2' here on the card would lead me to say timing would be a '2'. This could be 2 days, 2weeks, 2 months, or 2yrs. Though because it is also a very green colored card, this makes me feel like the season would be spring. Though I also keep thinking the 2nd month of the year--February.
I really missd the "2" here. Duh on my part. LOL! I agree with Spring!! Early spring for some reason...


Yes, these are the planetary & astrological symbols for each of the cards. the arrow on the clover card is assigned to the planet Mars, which shows passion. here is a site that I found that has the glyphs that are on some of the cards covered. I'm not sure what to think of the symbols that are on the other cards, such as the ship. The ship card has the symbol IX in the upper right hand corner--but not sure what it should symbolize, unless you just go with the number symbolism on this?

http://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/symbols-and-glyphs-of-astrology/

I didn't even think of this before and it may be wise to do so, of course. perhaps this website I mentioned above will help us further--or perhaps someone knows of a better site?


So i think I gave different info from my Steinback book, so I am glad you found this.
I loved reading both your and LZ's interpretations. This is a great learning experience for me:)
I will comment on the ship after I study it. Trying not to peek! :D

[LadyZelda]

....They now look to me like they are swaying in the wind perhaps. Flexibility. able to adapt. This also goes with my "go with the flow" feeling above.

Good point! Flexibility, yeah, precisely! That is why some people have "luck" passing by them, but they miss it! Why? because they are so rigid with their thinking, with what they want, and how they are going to reach their goal, so rigid with their expectations how it is going to unfold what is it going to be...Their mind is made up, there is no room for anything different...But like you said, flexibility, being able to adapt, this is part of "seizing luck" as it passes by us and be ready to be unexpectedly happy with the results!;)

...My energy went up into my chest towards my throat. Thinking of chakras. I smiled too. So it is a happy card I feel. One that should lift up other cards. I also wonder with the throat chakra if it helps to open that up- certainly a happy heart. Maybe being able to express joy or happiness...

Very interesting! Yeah, I do believe this card is a "happy card" and can "lift up other cards", for just a spark of luck can turn a situation around, it is like the rainbow appearing during the storm...sunshine is coming through! I did think of Chakras as I read...and I think that when one experiences "luck", "an opportunity", a "turn of the wheel for the better", it can help to boost confidence, and therefore help with expressing oneself... Because it is a positive time, loaded with positive energy, this is enough to give wings to the caterpillar...


finances:....Didn't have to work very hard for it...bigger raise than expected.

Good point! That is what it is all about, good things happen, suddenly, a turn of the wheel...we just have to be ready to receive!

[Empath111]

Good point! Flexibility, yeah, precisely! That is why some people have "luck" passing by them, but they miss it! Why? because they are so rigid with their thinking, with what they want, and how they are going to reach their goal, so rigid with their expectations how it is going to unfold what is it going to be...Their mind is made up, there is no room for anything different...But like you said, flexibility, being able to adapt, this is part of "seizing luck" as it passes by us and be ready to be unexpectedly happy with the results!;)



Very interesting! Yeah, I do believe this card is a "happy card" and can "lift up other cards", for just a spark of luck can turn a situation around, it is like the rainbow appearing during the storm...sunshine is coming through! I did think of Chakras as I read...and I think that when one experiences "luck", "an opportunity", a "turn of the wheel for the better", it can help to boost confidence, and therefore help with expressing oneself... Because it is a positive time, loaded with positive energy, this is enough to give wings to the caterpillar...




Good point! That is what it is all about, good things happen, suddenly, a turn of the wheel...we just have to be ready to receive!

Thanks for your feedback! You connected some dots for me! Having fun with this. :)

[celticnoodle]

I also will ad something I've learned here before. You try to feel the "energy" of the card. Used to do this face down before flipping it over. pretty cool. so I'll try it out:
OK, when I did this I felt very uplifted. My energy went up into my chest towards my throat. Thinking of chakras. I smiled too. So it is a happy card I feel. One that should lift up other cards. I also wonder with the throat chakra if it helps to open that up- certainly a happy heart. Maybe being able to express joy or happiness..let's say perhaps in a relationship you could so good you want to say it aloud. That might go along with the expression of dancing. So pleased you find ways to express it. The 'rays" coming from the tallest clover/face make it seem like it is beaming.interesting thing to incorporate into figuring out the card. thanks for the idea. I'll try to remember to do this next time with the next two cards.

[celticnoodle]

Never thought of a guide or counselor. Is that because one is larger than the two? (flowers). Great pick up again. Theater or dance is perfect! yep. exactly-because of the size of the one clover.


Spiritual guidance - again, missed that. Not to muddy the waters, but almost like the Hierophant? I did NOT know the ladybugs are a sign of the Blessed Mother (now recall you wrote this in last post) and I love this! Again, motherly love is perfect. It also brings in your thought of protection! :)Yes, exactly. seeing lady bugs makes me automatically think of the BM and thus motherly love and protection.


So i think I gave different info from my Steinback book, so I am glad you found this.
I loved reading both your and LZ's interpretations. This is a great learning experience for me:)
I will comment on the ship after I study it. Trying not to peek! :Dthank you. I'm enjoying learning the cards this way too and reading everyone's thoughts. Now, you mention you are using the Mystical Lenormand, which is what I'm using too, but mine is by Regula Elizabeth Fiechter. My lady bugs were not playing any instruments--just carrying the smaller two clovers.

Looking forward to seeing what you get for the ship too. :D

[Empath111]

interesting thing to incorporate into figuring out the card. thanks for the idea. I'll try to remember to do this next time with the next two cards.

I got it from here when I was in the beginner's circle of readers. You know, we'd be matched up with someone. The person leading the read suggested we pull the cards and keep them face down. Then place your hand on top of each one and just write down ANYTHING you felt.

I was amazed at how I'd feel a pit in my stomach with say..the 10 of swords. or the 7 of cups maybe a swirl in my head. Then I'd get ungrounded from it. It was really a fascinating idea she had. I haven't done it in a while!

[LadyZelda]

Steinbach: "....The Astrological sign is Sagittarius-fire element..."

Yeah, I found out also that it actually is the Sagittarius! Even if the little "cross mark" that is usely on the symbol of the Sagittarius is not clearly made, it is visibly just an artistic variation of it with that little "loop" the artist drew...and for Mars, it is a bigger stretch of the symbol as normally the circle is supposed to be at the base of the arrow....

But what made up my mind about this being the symbol of the Sagittarius is that yesterday, after posting and reading CN's interpretation I got so curious about all the symbols on the upper right corner of the cards that I went ahead and looked through the entire deck!

Well, if I had done that first I would not have posted 2 possibilities for the symbol on the Clover card!!! duh....on me!

And guess what??? In the end it is clear and simple! Just look at The Gentlemen card....and...yep! here we have "a clean, accurate, beyond the shadow of a doubt" symbol of the planet "Mars"! so, now there is no more wondering, on the Clover it can only be the symbol of "the Sagittarius" because the artist would not have put the same symbol twice!;)
S. Steinback was right on target!

[LadyZelda]

I got it from here when I was in the beginner's circle of readers. You know, we'd be matched up with someone. The person leading the read suggested we pull the cards and keep them face down. Then place your hand on top of each one and just write down ANYTHING you felt.

I was amazed at how I'd feel a pit in my stomach with say..the 10 of swords. or the 7 of cups maybe a swirl in my head. Then I'd get ungrounded from it. It was really a fascinating idea she had. I haven't done it in a while!

Yep, this is great! I have never thought of doing that for the study of the cards, but I will!;)

I only do that when I draw cards. I have them face down of course but I also close my eyes to exclude completely my physical senses, and I pass my hand over the cards and draw the one for which I feel the strongest energy...But this is really a great idea to sense the energy of the card for study purposes. I'm not surprised that you felt uneasy when sensing the 10 of Swords!

I'm glad you mentioned it! Thanks!:D

[LadyZelda]

I'm glad to announce that we have now another "room" where we can post any reading we have done on our own and for which we would like to have the input of the other members of our circle! :D

Here is the direct link:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=3145719#post3145719

Hope this will be a great benefit to all;)

[Empath111]

I'm glad to announce that we have now another "room" where we can post any reading we have done on our own and for which we would like to have the input of the other members of our circle! :D

Here is the direct link:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=3145719#post3145719

Hope this will be a great benefit to all;)

great! Thank you!

[LadyZelda]

great! Thank you! You're quite welcome! :D

....The ladybugs -one playing a violin and the other some sort of horn. happiness, easy-going. go-with the flow sort of energy with that...

I looked again at that card because of what you said and yeah, that is a great detail! The playing of the intruments before the Clover has actually 2 meanings...I was telling my best friend about the fact that I had missed the Lady Bugs/instruments detail and she said, (and you should have seen her, t'was like an epiphany! Especially, when you know that she has not studied the cards, and she doesn't own the Mystical)

"It's like the music is making them grow!".

This is so true and right on target! It is known that plant reacts to music and actually would grow...Therefore, it is totally linked to the message of The Clover in the area of increase, success coming our way, whatever "seed" we planted, luck is here to make them "grow", to make everything happen! I will say, the luck of the 4 leaf clover is like when we put some "miracle grow" on our plants!

....They sort of look like they are dancing to the music...

....The clover flower in my Lenromand deck, (The Mystical Lenormand) seems to be dancing with two other clover flowers that are carried by two lady bugs...

I thought about that again and this is really great! Here what came to my mind:
How do you feel when suddenly you have a stike of luck? Don't you feel like dancing a little jig?;) Luck does have that effect upon us, doesn't it! So I believe that card pictures a "joyful celebration of luck"!


....The faces in the flowers are a bit strange to me so I am having a hard time with that. two on the side look happy and the middle one...hmm..maybe open to hearing anything? ...

You intrigued me, so I looked at the Clover scan that I have on my PC, and I did magnify their faces. Actually they are all smilling and it is some very big smiles! And the "Mother" Clover has a big smile that pinches the eyes! Like that smilie! :D

Thank you so much Empath & CN for your input :D (I wish there was a "hug" smilie, 'cause that is what I would have put here!) Studying the Oracle with you is a real blessing!

And to talk about my friend, she said she is thinking about joining AT to participate in our study!!!! She has ordered the Mystical Lenormand because like us, she thinks that "a picture is worth a 1000 words!"...;)

[Empath111]

You're quite welcome! :D



I looked again at that card because of what you said and yeah, that is a great detail! The playing of the intruments before the Clover has actually 2 meanings...I was telling my best friend about the fact that I had missed the Lady Bugs/instruments detail and she said, (and you should have seen her, t'was like an epiphany! Especially, when you know that she has not studied the cards, and she doesn't own the Mystical)

"It's like the music is making them grow!".

This is so true and right on target! It is known that plant reacts to music and actually would grow...Therefore, it is totally linked to the message of The Clover in the area of increase, success coming our way, whatever "seed" we planted, luck is here to make them "grow", to make everything happen! I will say, the luck of the 4 leaf clover is like when we put some "miracle grow" on our plants!





I thought about that again and this is really great! Here what came to my mind:
How do you feel when suddenly you have a stike of luck? Don't you feel like dancing a little jig?;) Luck does have that effect upon us, doesn't it! So I believe that card pictures a "joyful celebration of luck"!




You intrigued me, so I looked at the Clover scan that I have on my PC, and I did magnify their faces. Actually they are all smilling and it is some very big smiles! And the "Mother" Clover has a big smile that pinches the eyes! Like that smilie! :D

Thank you so much Empath & CN for your input :D (I wish there was a "hug" smilie, 'cause that is what I would have put here!) Studying the Oracle with you is a real blessing!

And to talk about my friend, she said she is thinking about joining AT to participate in our study!!!! She has ordered the Mystical Lenormand because like us, she thinks that "a picture is worth a 1000 words!"...;)

VERY cool- and I am glad to know mother flower is happy! Love the music making them grow! I hope your friend joins too :)

Looking at the ship. For some reason having trouble with it...

[LadyZelda]

Starting tomorrow Saturday 12th till Friday 18th you can post your study on the:

- House (4)
- Tree (5)

Have a good time with these 2 cards! :D

[Empath111]

THE SHIP
mystical

I am having sort of a hard time with the ship. i thought something looked funny about the wind/sails...so i asked someone who knows about this stuff. The wind is going in one direction..you can see by the waves and the flags it is going to the right. However, if you look at the sails they look like the wind is going to the left. hmm..is this intentional or a mistake on the artist's part?? LOL I am going to read it like it was intentional :)

The next thing he pickd up on was the whale is much smaller than it should be. Not sure what that means! LOL I see the mermaid at the head of the boat and the person in the front. Turbulent waters, windy day but lovely blue skies.
"Windfall" came to mind also
Not sure what IX is for.
travel, of course is a big factor here. LOL

So, overall I think of turbulence and contradictions. I think of navigating your way through things..searching for the right coarse of action despite having some confusing information that may not be clear. I think of the turbulence and the blue sky as there's a light at the end of the tunnel. That whale seems to be happily going along - unphased by the waves..keeping company with the boat. Instead of being scary he looks friendly. more contradictions.

Sensing the card (my hand covering) i had a very "heady" feeling..like a true swirling and a funny little feeling in my stomach. Likely sea sickness! It was not a relaxing feel at all- quite confused and disoriented.


finances:: windfall. or back and forth changes. Up and down (stock market). Tough times..but then could have a windfall. contradictions again...

Career: Fighting upstream for something you want. getting a break and then having a set-back. Pushing your way to the top.

Love: Push-pull-push-pull. Should I stay or should I go now? Turbulent emotions..rocky waters...then smooth sailing. contradictions. a time of uncertainty- too much going on through the mind to think straight and just *feel*. Leaving a lover..departures. Or coming and going. Making it through rocky waters (see the whale?_ - sticking by through thick and thin, but it isn't the easiest of rides.

Health: I didn't feel very good when i sensed that card! LOL I felt dizzy and likely would lead to stomach sickness. So I would say under the weather. Nothing serious, but just feeling sort of lousy.

Spiritually: A time when you feel you are moving along and trying to get to where you think you should go..but then you are set back. Fighting the tide sort of thing.

Timing: This is one of those strange feelings. I recall reading "nisaba's" method of timing. When she pulled a major it meant there was no set time- it would reveal itself in the future. I get that feeling here..there is a high likelihood the timings will change due to unforeseen factors. But I see that 3 and that IX so I will say 3 months (90 days)


OK, i am sorry I was behind on this one! I hope something i wrote matches others! LOL

[Empath111]

wow, mine is quite different from yours, CN and LZ! LOL I read through yours and lovd what you picked up! I'll comment in detail later. But I am really loving this study..and it looks like I'm going to be the tardy one;) Don't let me hold you up..keep going :)

[Empath111]

Once you are done studying and are ready to post; if you are not the first one posting and find out that another member who posted already interpreted the cards about the same way you did....Please, do not refrain from posting your study! It is still beneficial for the others to read it, even the parts that are similar.
We are bound to discover similar things, and that just means that we are "on the same page" spiritually, that the Oracle just speaks the same way to us. It is actually very interesting when this happens!

Also, don't worry about not reading the posts before posting yours, which is what I do... You might miss a question but it's Ok, as you will see it nonetheless once you post. If you wrote a question that your study brought up and see no response to it right away; keep in mind that it is not that I ignored it but because I'd rather wait to read your study until I have finished mine....I think it is the best way for me to give it a good shot on my own;)
The same is true for the question I added when I posted my interpretation of the Clover. It is only now, that I have completed my study for this session that I was able to see that Celticnoodle had answered it!

Anyhow, that is what I wanted to say for now. I still have to read carefully what you posted as so far I've just browsed through it...but I need to go back to my daily tasks for a while:( so, I'll do that later on:)

Thanks for your participation :D
So just seeing this now since I keep trying to not peek back before I post;) I know it's not a rule..but want to give it a shot on my own too. :D

[Empath111]

Now for the ship:

Over all the ship naturally conjures up feelings of travel--and especially travel abroad for me, as the sails are quite full and no site of land in this card. A whale swims close by the ship, giving feeling of this being on the ocean sailing. I know whales are symbolic of compassion and spiritualism. they are also symbolic of a creative person. The water in this card speaks of emotions, and because the whale is a large creature, perhaps it can also speak of the need to deal with some emotional baggage that is needed to be dealt with? Overall, this picture, (and the whale in it) seems to be a happy card, so it may be the emotions needing to be dealt with have a happy feeling tied to it? it looks almost like the whale is smiling, so it could indicate that the client has dealt with something emotional or perhaps has finally found a way to do so, since the whale is swimming in tune w/the ship? full speed ahead! that is the general meaning if tied to an emotional issue.
Yes, i read up last night- travel abroad was big. I did not know the symbolism of whales! Great about the water/emotions. i tially missed all of that. Great CN! I agree - the whale looks happy:)

If we are to incorporate the number 9 as written in the corner, then indeed, it could suggest that we have found the answer, as the number nine is symbolic of completeness and attainment of goals. So, for this card, we can assume that if it is dealing with an emotional issue, the client has found a way to understand and move on in life that is beneficial for them.
True about the 9!


Health: this card would suggest moving from a hard emotional time to a better future--possibly with some exercising/(think water and swimming/exercising? & fresh air?).
water/swimming/fresh air- great pick up!

Financial: due to the whale and the nine symbol, I'd say that with some creativity from the client, things will be moving in the direction of a better and more secure future. Possibly requiring some traveling/relocation for the client as well.
traveling/relocating..great..I love reading what you are finding!


Love: As far as love goes, I don't necessarily see this as a couples coming together card, but perhaps it is speaking of a good long relationship. as I mentioned before, it shows attainment--so perhaps it would speak of the current relationship one is in will be a long happy one? however, I do not believe whales mate for life, so this throws the card out of sync a bit with that, doesn't it? something more to explore I think.
I was more in line with the whales not a mate for life (although I did not know that!) - but in the whole tune of contradictions. and the only reasons I felt this way was the sails show the winds going one way and the flags another. and the water looks rough but the whale is smiling and the sky is blue. So that's what I thought that might explain something like this. But just my interpretation..likely not in many of the books...


Career: one that would involve a lot of traveling or perhaps something involving ships and/or fishing.
True!

Spiritually: a very spiritual card this one--with the water, the ship and the whale. We all associate water with emotions and spiritualism too--water is essential for life after all and thought of as a great spiritual cleanser. whales are also symbolic of life and death--so I could see this as a spiritual breakthrough with the spiritual side of things for a client if this card popped up. ships can be seen as exploring ones emotions, if you dream of ships, so I would have to consider this as well.
Missed the whole water/whale...great info to know!

Timing: perhaps assigning it to the 9th month (September?) or 9 days, 9weeks, 9mos. Even perhaps a time astrologically speaking of a water sign--Pisces (feb), end of June/July for Cancer, and end of October-Nov for Scorpio.
Very good, very good info for me. I read also in 3's after I wrote my stuff.
Loved reading your interpretations celtic Noodle!! Learned a lot.
Will respond to LZ's later :)

[LadyZelda]

THE SHIP
mysticalI am having sort of a hard time with the ship. i thought something looked funny about the wind/sails...so i asked someone who knows about this stuff. The wind is going in one direction..you can see by the waves and the flags it is going to the right. However, if you look at the sails they look like the wind is going to the left. hmm..is this intentional or a mistake on the artist's part?? LOL I am going to read it like it was intentional :)

Possibly this emphasizes the card’s aspect regarding “changes” also keep on going toward our goal no matter the winds of opposition, keep moving on.

The next thing he pickd up on was the whale is much smaller than it should be. Not sure what that means! LOL I see the mermaid at the head of the boat and the person in the front. Turbulent waters, windy day but lovely blue skies.
"Windfall" came to mind also

I think it is not really a matter of meaning and more likely a matter of art. Like those icons which have not much realistic proportions. I think that the artist wants to tell us that the whale is an added on detail, while the ship is the main theme. "Windfall" yep, that makes sense!

Not sure what IX is for.travel, of course is a big factor here. LOL

This is definitely the 9th astrological house as this is visibly the theme of the deck to have astrological and planetary symbols.

So, overall I think of turbulence and contradictions. I think of navigating your way through things..searching for the right coarse of action despite having some confusing information that may not be clear. I think of the turbulence and the blue sky as there's a light at the end of the tunnel. That whale seems to be happily going along - unphased by the waves..keeping company with the boat. Instead of being scary he looks friendly. more contradictions.

Sensing the card (my hand covering) i had a very "heady" feeling..like a true swirling and a funny little feeling in my stomach. Likely sea sickness! It was not a relaxing feel at all- quite confused and disoriented.

Interesting! This make me think of the fact that in life we are not always up to get out of our comfort zone and don’t always feel adventurous and heading to new horizons… The jitter that unknown territories create…


finances:: windfall. or back and forth changes. Up and down (stock market). Tough times..but then could have a windfall. contradictions again...

Career: Fighting upstream for something you want. getting a break and then having a set-back. Pushing your way to the top.

Love: Push-pull-push-pull. Should I stay or should I go now? Turbulent emotions..rocky waters...then smooth sailing. contradictions. a time of uncertainty- too much going on through the mind to think straight and just *feel*. Leaving a lover..departures. Or coming and going. Making it through rocky waters (see the whale?_ - sticking by through thick and thin, but it isn't the easiest of rides.

Health: I didn't feel very good when i sensed that card! LOL I felt dizzy and likely would lead to stomach sickness. So I would say under the weather. Nothing serious, but just feeling sort of lousy.

Spiritually: A time when you feel you are moving along and trying to get to where you think you should go..but then you are set back. Fighting the tide sort of thing.

Timing: This is one of those strange feelings. I recall reading "nisaba's" method of timing. When she pulled a major it meant there was no set time- it would reveal itself in the future. I get that feeling here..there is a high likelihood the timings will change due to unforeseen factors. But I see that 3 and that IX so I will say 3 months (90 days).

Even though I see this card as a “positive” card, there is the aspect of caution, it shows a very calm sea in the back but a wavier one by the boat. So, yeah, a reminder of what we can encounter on our way. Other cards will reinforce one way or the other.

Timing....just for info, Iris treppner suggest 3 years, but 3 months could be too...;)


OK, i am sorry I was behind on this one!

No problem, it is not always easy to satisfy everything.... at time it can be a challenge to do what we would like to do, while doing what we must...;)

[Empath111]

Possibly this emphasizes the card’s aspect regarding “changes” also keep on going toward our goal no matter the winds of opposition, keep moving on.



I think it is not really a matter of meaning and more likely a matter of art. Like those icons which have not much realistic proportions. I think that the artist wants to tell us that the whale is an added on detail, while the ship is the main theme. "Windfall" yep, that makes sense!



This is definitely the 9th astrological house as this is visibly the theme of the deck to have astrological and planetary symbols.



Interesting! This make me think of the fact that in life we are not always up to get out of our comfort zone and don’t always feel adventurous and heading to new horizons… The jitter that unknown territories create…




Even though I see this card as a “positive” card, there is the aspect of caution, it shows a very calm sea in the back but a wavier one by the boat. So, yeah, a reminder of what we can encounter on our way. Other cards will reinforce one way or the other.

Timing....just for info, Iris treppner suggest 3 years, but 3 months could be too...;)




No problem, it is not always easy to satisfy everything.... at time it can be a challenge to do what we would like to do, while doing what we must...;)
Thank you for the feedback Lady Zelda. I went through some of the traditional meanings and "missed the boat" on this one. ;) Except one blogger wrote about the sky versus the turbulent waves and worded it as such as you did. But most focused on the traveling and the journey etc. So evident- will have to see the forest through the trees and "state the obvious" more! Good to learn the astrological signs - and meanings of some of the images in the cards before I post.
Do you guys research a bit before you write up what you pick up on? I think I might start doing that with some aspects of the cards. - Or at least look afterwards and include the feedback from you guys. need to get that notebook!

[Empath111]

You did just fine! :D I had only done the Clover and had to study the Ship but got caught up with unexpected things...
But I'm now ready to copy/paste my study on the Ship so here we go!;)

3- The Ship

Interpretation of symbolisms:

Right upper corner, this time we have 9 as it is written as a Roman numeral, I believe it must be to make a difference with just a number and to emphasize its symbolism. So far the artist has placed on this corner the planetary symbol of Mercury with the Rider, possibly the one of Mars (unless it would be for the sign of the Sagittarius) on the Clover. If this is a pattern, then this has to be related to either planet or astrology signs and in that case, I’ll say this is one of the astrological houses, thus the 9th House. And it does make sense as the 9th house is following the theme of The Ship. The 9th house is related to far away travels, higher ideals, can be physical or spiritual, etc…
Not sure what other sources say - looking at my Steinabach book says ships's sign is Jupiter (travel) and astrological sign is Aries. Of course I can say this now because I'm looking through the book;) Astronomy is not my "thing"- but this is a good way to learn! What does the 9th house mean, LZ?

This ship is accompanied by a whale: The whale speaks of a spiritual journey, embracing the unknown, relates to unconscious mind, deep spiritual connection, deeper awareness, calm…Therefore, this Ship is not just about an actual physical trip, it can be about a spiritual journey. The weather is clement, the whale adds to the sense of calmness. Also the whale as come up to get back oxygen thus to breathe deeply, it swims in among the waves so it tells me to keep my peace even when things don’t go very smooth in my life journey.
Great info about the meaning of the whale- love that it indicates a spiritual journey and the other spiritual aspects. I did read other info after I posted that the ship does also indicate this:)


The Cross on the sail: This speaks of ascension, spiritual navigation (for deeper knowledge, to re-center ourselves) – cyclical navigation: the 4 seasons of life as we travel through them, spiritual connection, rising (vertical arm of the cross) and setting of consciousness (horizontal arm of the cross), transition, balance.
LOVE that you looked at the cross detail and the meanings. Learning so much here!


Flags: red: life, actions, energy, enthusiasm – blue: peace, healing, inspiration – green: growth, youth, adventure – white lines on the sails: cleansing, enlightenment, purity, peace. Thus, the flags give us clues about which direction are we going, what is the purpose of this journey.

The winds are favorable and blowing nicely on the sails, so no matter what this is a positive card and the right winds are blowing.
Again, the attention to detail is great - the colors of the flags and their meaning and how they apply to the interpretation of the journey.


General meaning:

This picture gives a sense of peace, of adventure, tells us that we are “on our way”, that we are sailing to new horizons. We might discover something, meet new people, modify our present course of action, our current life. It speaks of changes, of going further, relocating. It speaks also of freedom, of dreams, and goals, imaginations. People coming into our life or leaving it. Foreign contacts. Can speak of our life journey in general, of a spiritual journey, or a typical trip, other cards of course will really determine the nature of that journey. Can also speak of vacations, of contact with distant relationship, people living far away from us, something, or someone coming to us or leaving us.

Also that life is not just a “calm sea” as the sea is very calm by the horizon but is wavy in the foreground of the picture where the whale swims. Our journeys will be made of diverse cycles, calm or tumultuous we must keep sailing towards our destination, our goal. This card has some of the same themes as the Rider. For the Rider also there was a hint that on his journey he would encounter many different things but that he remained peaceful through it all.

Now, personally I will interpret the direction toward which the ship is sailing when combining with other cards. That is probably not doing it “by the book” but this is my way…and I believe that if I set up that symbolism, the oracle will respond to it and the right cards will fall on the left and right of the Ship to convey the right message (just like for the Rider). Thus, I would interpret a card on the left of the Ship as the direction to which one goes, and on the right as something one leaves.
Perfect overall meaning- love how you word this!
The direction of the cards - I don't see why you can't read it as you feel comfortable. Like I mentioned before- the sources we are looking at were developed by people - why not be able to look at them from your perspective?


Health:

Going away for a treatment, time to take a break go in vacation and resource ourselves, need for a change of course of action, need to go away from cities and go out where the air is pure, need to free our minds, water therapy, remedies or diet related to the ocean.
great

Financial:

Moving further ahead, making investment in new areas, money transaction with other countries, money coming to us from a distant source, using money for travel purposes.
Love:

Changes in our love life, leaving a present relationship or vice versa, moving ahead in a relationship, meeting someone on a trip, having a relationship with someone living far away from us, moving away from loved ones, or toward them (if they live far away and the ship point to the right card), keeping distance in a relationship or time for a couple to take a break and favor their intimacy with a “second honeymoon”, going on a cruise with a mate.
:)
Career:

Having a traveling job, a career involving travel like pilots, flight attendants, working on a boat, The Navy, travelling agent, doing business with people that are not close by, internet sales, business travel, leaving an actual job for something different.
makes sens! Traveling job!

Spiritually:

Sailing to new horizon, going further, spiritual awareness, exploring new level of spirituality, changing the course of our spiritual life and/or beliefs, choosing to get out of the "religious box", turning to foreign, different spirituality, going on a retreat...

thumbs up

Timing:

The ship gives an idea of longer timing. Moreover, a ship like the one on the card took about 1 month to travel cross Atlantic and a steam boat like the France, Queen Mary, etc…took about 5 days. So, I would interpret that things will take some time.
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Now, it is time for me to read what you discovered ;)
Love rerading everyone's ideas and interpretations on the cards - great learning experience!

[LadyZelda]

Thank you for the feedback Lady Zelda.

You're welcome, glad it helps ;)

Do you guys research a bit before you write up what you pick up on? I think I might start doing that with some aspects of the cards. - Or at least look afterwards and include the feedback from you guys. need to get that notebook!

Personally, first I study the card and write down everything that comes up. And since you spoke about feeling the energy of the card I do incorporate that too even before I study it (at least that is what I felt like doing with the house). Then, I look for "symbolisms" on the card. I write them down, like the ladybugs, the colors, the whale, etc...and I write down all I know about them. What I know about symbolisms is a mix of what I have either learned through the years by reading some books (like astrology for instance) and what I just grew up with.

For example, I learned what was the meaning of each astrological house from reading about the subject, but I grew up with the meaning of the Ladybug....
Like when I was young I and my friends were always thrilled when a ladybug was landing on us because that meant we were able to make a wish and send a message to the spiritual realm, and we believed we were assured to get a good result! There was actually a "little poem" that one was supposed to say just before sending the ladybug...

I did grow up with a lot of "folklore", that says "this means this and that, this is the sign of this or that" etc...But there are a lot of "traditions" and for example I didn't know what CelticNoodle mentioned about the Ladybug being named after the Blessed Mother.

Finally, I do double check that I remembered well when I write about the symbols I learned, like for the Houses. Once I am done I also look what the traditional meaning was just to compare, but I won't change my study if it differs; because like you pointed out so well, these people wrote what the cards meant for them when they studied it, but because of who they are and/or because they were published it became "tradition" or a "reference". For the timing, I think one can only guess and then with practice find a pattern and determines that this card usually has that "timing". That is why I just write what it seems to be, then look at what authors say and write it as another reference.

I will say you can check out about the symbols you notice but don't know anything about (like you said you never really dealt with astrology) but for the other symbols like colors and animals, and plants, even if you never dealt with them I would first try to see what that symbol means to me, before I would look it up.

This, because that kind of symbols often clicks with us even if we don't know about them like for example a "dragon" what comes to your mind when you see the image of a dragon? "magic, power, guardian, luck, etc..." this is what we found out from folklore without actually “learning” about it…. and a dog, we know that it represents "unconditional love, friendship, faithfulness, loyalty, protection, etc..", not because we learned about it in a book but because of what we observed, experienced....Same for a "calm sea" you will say "all is well" and if you see the picture of a "raging sea", you will immediately say "danger, hardship, loss"..."Life" was the "teacher" in these cases.

Anyhow, that is why I think it is a better approach to first let our intuition speak and then like you said you can check other sources. ;)

[LadyZelda]

Not sure what other sources say - looking at my Steinabach book says ships's sign is Jupiter (travel) and astrological sign is Aries. Of course I can say this now because I'm looking through the book;) Astronomy is not my "thing"- but this is a good way to learn! What does the 9th house mean, LZ?!

With the Mystical Lenormand you can't really go with what S. Steinabach or I. Treppener say because they are not using that deck...Therefore, they go by what they think or what tradition has determined for each card.
For us, it is different because the Artist and/or the Author of the Mystical has decided to assign certain astrological sign, house, or planet to each card and it is not necessarily matching what others had determined.

Thus, anyone using the Mystical has to go by what is shown on that deck. And in the case of the ship it shows "the 9th house" instead of showing the planet "Jupiter" or the sign of "Aries". IMO, the 9th house is as good a choice as Jupiter, because in the meaning of the 9th house you also have the idea of long, faraway travels and it speaks of physical travels as well as spiritual travels"

As the main theme of the Ship is "travel" then the 9th house matches well...


LOVE that you looked at the cross detail and the meanings. Learning so much here....Again, the attention to detail is great - the colors of the flags and their meaning and how they apply to the interpretation of the journey.

Yeah, I find the Mystical very rich in symbols! I have already completed my study of the house and boy, there are so many symbols on it!

Love rerading everyone's ideas and interpretations on the cards - great learning experience!

Same for me! :D

[Empath111]

You're welcome, glad it helps ;)



Personally, first I study the card and write down everything that comes up. And since you spoke about feeling the energy of the card I do incorporate that too even before I study it (at least that is what I felt like doing with the house). Then, I look for "symbolisms" on the card. I write them down, like the ladybugs, the colors, the whale, etc...and I write down all I know about them. What I know about symbolisms is a mix of what I have either learned through the years by reading some books (like astrology for instance) and what I just grew up with.

For example, I learned what was the meaning of each astrological house from reading about the subject, but I grew up with the meaning of the Ladybug....
Like when I was young I and my friends were always thrilled when a ladybug was landing on us because that meant we were able to make a wish and send a message to the spiritual realm, and we believed we were assured to get a good result! There was actually a "little poem" that one was supposed to say just before sending the ladybug...

I did grow up with a lot of "folklore", that says "this means this and that, this is the sign of this or that" etc...But there are a lot of "traditions" and for example I didn't know what CelticNoodle mentioned about the Ladybug being named after the Blessed Mother.

Finally, I do double check that I remembered well when I write about the symbols I learned, like for the Houses. Once I am done I also look what the traditional meaning was just to compare, but I won't change my study if it differs; because like you pointed out so well, these people wrote what the cards meant for them when they studied it, but because of who they are and/or because they were published it became "tradition" or a "reference". For the timing, I think one can only guess and then with practice find a pattern and determines that this card usually has that "timing". That is why I just write what it seems to be, then look at what authors say and write it as another reference.

I will say you can check out about the symbols you notice but don't know anything about (like you said you never really dealt with astrology) but for the other symbols like colors and animals, and plants, even if you never dealt with them I would first try to see what that symbol means to me, before I would look it up.

This, because that kind of symbols often clicks with us even if we don't know about them like for example a "dragon" what comes to your mind when you see the image of a dragon? "magic, power, guardian, luck, etc..." this is what we found out from folklore without actually “learning” about it…. and a dog, we know that it represents "unconditional love, friendship, faithfulness, loyalty, protection, etc..", not because we learned about it in a book but because of what we observed, experienced....Same for a "calm sea" you will say "all is well" and if you see the picture of a "raging sea", you will immediately say "danger, hardship, loss"..."Life" was the "teacher" in these cases.

Anyhow, that is why I think it is a better approach to first let our intuition speak and then like you said you can check other sources. ;)

Thank you!
I also think because I have less experience at the tarot itself I am lacking in some areas of symbolism. All good learning for other areas too!
I would like to get my hand on another deck and compare it to the mystical though...I think it might help me.
PS: Gotcha regarding the book I'm referencing isn't matching the mystical.

[LadyZelda]

The House

Energy of the card:

I experimented what Empath suggested and Wow that is awesome! So here is what I received from the energy of this card:

First, I sensed a wave of warmth all over me, then love and peace (family presence). Then I felt it in my throat chakra (the house being a place where one can express himself/herself openly, where we can be ourselves nothing hidden, no mask). Finally, a smile came upon me and it was like I was able to hear playful laughter.

Symbolism

- A bouquet of Daisies:

The meaning of the Daisy: Oracle, purity, love, joy. In the card this is what is up front. This is what welcomes you home!

- A Peacock:

This is quite interesting to see that Peacock on the path that leads to the house…It is like it is an usher or a guardian. You won’t get to the house unless you check out with it first. It does block the way. A peacock means protection, watchfulness, nobility, integrity, guidance and spirituality. In Asia what amazing is that it is also associated with Kuan Yin which is another vision of the Blessed Mother that we saw already in the Clover with the Lady Bug! As the symbol of Kuan Yin it means kindness, love, nurturing…For Hinduism, it means luck! So, here we have also a some luck added to the equation!...For the Alchemist it is seen as nowadays version of the Phoenix, meaning rebirth.

- The red roses:

Love, faithfulness...Closer to the house like to give you a hint of you what is emanating from this house....

- The creeping vine:

It covers the ground floor of the house and goes over the front door.

The meaning of the vine: it is a symbol of growth, of fidelity and love, of protection (Greco-Roman’s belief was that the vine protects against evil forces), of friendships, of long-lasting bonds, of survival and withstanding hardships, of inner strength.

-Landscape:

Everything is lush and green; a tree stands on each side of the house like 2 sentinels! Giving again a sense of protection, of safety. Also one is an evergreen speaking about the spirit life that is unending… the other is a tree that will change with the seasons so that speaks about the cycles of life. Hills in the back make you think of a wall of protection too…making this house a real haven.

- The Sky:

The meaning of that blue sky with few clouds: ups and down of life, more likely for this card will speak of family life. There can be clouds in the midst of this happy home but it should not alarm us, these are not threatening clouds, they are pure (white) they are there to perfect us. The home, the family cell is where human beings learn their place at a small scale. What is learned in the midst of family life is then used in society. They look like waves, so they are currents that we should use for our benefit like the eagle uses the currents in the air to soar. We should not resist the lessons we learn by interacting with family members.

- The Ravens:

One is perched already on the top of the house and the other is about to perched on another roof. Good place for such bird!
Ravens symbolize enlightenment, of knowledge and magical power to create new realities, connection to the spiritual as being able to go from the physical realm to the spiritual realm, known also as shape shifters they symbolize a change of consciousness, they travel between the world of the living and the dead and symbolizes ties that go beyond death.

- The house:

This is a cute looking house, it looks welcoming and friendly. It is creative with very original mix of a cottage and castle. The symbolism of the colors is important. It is not all colorful just by artistic choice. The colors for me have been carefully chosen and placed in specific area of the house to deliver a message.

- Pink: The main part of the house is pink symbolizing happiness, playfulness, innocence, childhood, unconditional love, tenderness and nurturing, calm, relaxation, comfort, well-being, self-worth, acceptance, reassurance, and hope. Definitely a good home!

And the first 2 roofs and shutters are green:

- Green: symbolizing growth, prosperity, harmony, balance. This is what can be expected.

What is interesting to note is that the 2nd roof is green with a layer of red! And the upper roofs with the main highest top of the house have a red roof.

- Red: symbolizing love, vibrancy, energy, life, protection (red would “stop” any intruders and harm). Love dominates all.

And we have also the yellow of the upper rooms:

- Yellow: symbolizing awareness, quick thinking, enlightenment, creativity, protection, being well centered.

Finally, the wooded beam that are on the walls of this upper room:

- Brown: symbolizing being down to earth, rooted, being natural, being well centered which with the yellow makes an emphasis, also means comfort and endurance.

The Roman numeral 4: (right upper corner)

Which is linked to the 4th astrological house: family, ancestors, roots, home, childhood, emotions, real estate, and patrimony.

General meaning:

With so many symbolisms present in one card it is hard to know where to begin! This card is very rich in meanings. For me, this is definitely a positive card and it represents a “home sweet home”. It speaks of a haven, a shelter providing refuge, protection, comfort. Tells us that we can unwind and relax, be at peace and playful like when we were kids; it tells us of being cared for and of family memories. Can also speak about taking care of our “home/body”, having an inner journey, about growing, blooming, strengthening, finding our balance, centering and resourcing ourselves.

Can also speak of a time to settle down, to establish roots, but it can also speak of a move to a new home, as well as the acquisition or sale of a home (depending of the other cards), or going back home. Can be also to stop running to and fro, needs to spend more time with family, to value family in the high paced money making society we live in. It speaks also of a life well established and secure, of prosperity, inheritance, patrimony.
This card speaks of ourselves, our family, family ties, family traditions, of our roots, our ancestry, of the ties that are not broken between the living and the dead; we still have connection with our departed loved ones; they are still there with us in spirit form (the ravens).

It speaks of being accepted for who we are, being true to ourselves, of not having to put on any mask, of experiencing happiness, love in all its different aspects (unconditional, affective, romantic, motherly, etc…).

This shows also the 2 aspects of our life journey: our place in the physical realm which is affected by cycles, by all the change of the seasons of life (the regular tree) and our place as a spiritual being , reaching higher, reaching for enlightenment (the tall evergreen), and the need to find balance between both: being enlightened as well as grounded; to find our place in between the two like the house does in this card!

Health:

Take care of our body and well-being, work on being centered, going to a spa, or nursing home, loving care, being homesick, homemade remedies, homemade nutrition.

Financial:

Prosperity, finance are secure, stability, financial institutions, getting the money to buy or rent a home, investing in real estate, spending money to remodel a house, spend money in family entertainment, to spend time with family.

Love:

Family love, stability, long lasting love, romantic love, meeting the right mate, a sense of being cozy having a sweet love relationship, motherly love, nurturing love, unconditional love,. Time to care for our family, favorable time to create a family, move in with a mate.

Career:
Homemaker, home-based business, small business, working from home, working as a housecleaner, in a nursing home, as a carpenter, an architect, real estate agent, spiritual leader, in education like teachers and principals, army, police, fireman (as they are forming like family cells)

Spiritually:

Spiritual retreat center, religious establishment, going inward, centering exercise, self-improvement, life regression, exploring ancestral beliefs, traditions, enlightenment.

Timing:

Well for timing really I’m never too sure what to think. For me a solid house like that show more a long term, things that takes time as a house takes a lot of time to be build and will last many years. If we would have to go with the number of the card I would lean more toward 4 months or years.

Done for the house, Tree is next!;)

[LadyZelda]

5 - THE TREE

Energy of the card:

Feeling of lightness, well-being, vision of a bright rising sun shining with all its rays, kids playing, running, rope jumping, bird soaring, dolphins jumping over the water in their playful manner.

Symbolism

I found them all related to each other, and making the meaning of this card very clear. Here is what I discovered through them:

The tree:

In general a tree means: life, longevity, healing, growth, stability, strength, power, protection, knowledge, wisdom, being well grounded, as well as being spiritually alert (The roots are linked to the ground and the head of the tree is linked to the sky), this brings me to see a symbol of balance and harmony “spirit, mind, body” which leads to great health. The tree also speaks of family, ancestry.

It is difficult to really say what tree it is, it look like a walnut but I cannot be sure because it is a painting…If it would be a walnut, it would match with the overall meaning of the card. The walnut tree is a symbol of “healing, strong heart, fertility (with its seeds carried in a shell), rebirth, free spirit, good healing properties for the body (known to be good for digestive balance) and the mind (people use to believe it was a cure for madness), with spiritual properties(reveals hidden wisdom, quickens awareness, astral travels, spirit alignment) thus I see here again the sign of a good balance: “spirit, mind, and body”; which goes well with the theme of this card.
I noticed also something else with this tree and it is that its trunk looks like a dancing woman! Which makes me think of: grace, vitality, harmony, flexibility, celebration, being carefree, well-being…
Its leaves are a lush bright green, so it speaks of youth and growth and health.

The birds:

I could not really identify them, I think anyway that here we have most likely the symbol of “birds” in general rather than the symbolism of certain kinds of birds.
Birds symbolize: freedom, carefree, happiness, lightness of spirit, a connection to the spiritual realm, a good balance between the physical and spiritual (as they are of both earth and sky), enlightenment, celebration, harmony, grace, beauty, immortality (in Asia).
There is a bunch of diverse birds perched on that tree, which makes me think of being gifted with diverse qualities, abilities, and everything being well balanced like a symphonic orchestra. All things working together harmoniously, perfect coordination, good communication ability.

2 Rabbits:

They seem to be playing together like rabbits do, carefree, happy. 2 of them so this speaks of unity, balance, harmony, productivity.
I see here springtime, youth, love, affection, playfulness, young spirit, friendship, agility, quickness of mind, vitality, energy, stamina, life, family, fruitfulness, fertility, creativity, abundance, (rabbit procreate greatly!), abundance, growth, luck (as carrying a rabbit leg is said to attract good luck)

Lily of the Valley and green grass:

In the foreground the artist painted some Lily of the Valley, this brings back good memories to my mind…This flower has a special day assigned to it, the 1st of May and on this day everyone is supposed to offer some Lily of the valley as a good luck charm. It is supposed to bring happiness into one’s life! This flower also symbolizes sweetness, humility, happiness and it is also called “the Fairy ladder” which again gives the idea of joining the physical and spiritual together, of connecting with the spiritual realm, of reaching spiritual heights.

Green grass: prosperity, growth, youth…

Blue sky and the hills:

Calm, rest, and healing are seen in this beautiful serene blue sky. And it is found when one has a harmonious spiritual life as the blue sky is above the “barrier” of clouds. And correspond to the head of the tree where the birds are. It is like a message is given regarding the fact that down here on earth, in the physical realm, we encounter difficulties, illness, cloudy minds, worries, etc… (Hills and barrier of clouds) but in the spiritual realm is harmony, peace, health, well-being, etc… (blue sky, head of the tree) and healing is available as “blue” is the color of healing and rest, among other meanings.

2 women pillars:

I will say that this must be 2 maidens to follow up with the theme of the card, again a sense of harmony, stability, grace, youth, fertility, creativity….

Zodiac Sign of the Virgo: (Right upper corner)

The sign of the Virgo is an earth sign and some of its meaning is linked to the theme of the card: Good health, tending to welfare, physical activities, good nutrition, and self-improvement.

General meaning:

From this card emanates a peaceful feeling, harmony, balance, grace, beauty, well-being, health, the perfect union of the physical and spiritual. Peaceful blue sky dominates which speak of healing and rest. Lots of green, gives a sense of freshness, of youth, of growth, as well as growing up to maturity, of energy, vitality, life, spring…Productivity, increase, playfulness, happiness, stamina, good health, being balance spirit, mind and body. Being cheerful, celebrating life, good communication, stability, time to resource ourselves, reconnect with Mother Nature, be one with her.

This is for me a positive card, if not well surrounded the “hills and clouds” in the landscape would speak of sickness while the overall of this card would tell you about healing and the fact that your life is out of balance, with the need to reestablish that balance.

Health:

Well-being, good health, well balanced life, harmony of body, mind and spirit, being happy, being fertile, good sign for pregnancy…healing if sick; if negative cards surrounding, then it means sickness and the need to regain balance in our life. Natural remedies, music therapy (birds), Nature sound therapy, finding rest in the countryside, walking, any outdoor activity…

Financial:

Finances are in good shape, money is increasing, peace of mind about financial matters, good thinking regarding money matter, money is at its rightful place in your life, not dominating, you have a well balanced view of money. If have some money problems, it means this will improve, find out where your finances are out of balance like spending more than what you make through credit cards, etc…If your work doesn’t bring enough income, this will change, it is growing, you’re on your way for increase, give it some time.

Love:

Relationships are playful, healthy, happy, productive, romantic, good communication, growth, stable, friendly, loving. For a couple, this is a very harmonious relationship, the romance is not lost, neither the stamina of the beginning while the relationship is growing toward maturity, it is well balanced. Long lasting relationship whether it is romance or friendship. Good omen for couples who desire to start a family and have children. For a new relationship the Tree is a sign that it is developing, and with time will mature nicely.

Career:

In good shape also, good balance between work and private life, you are not letting your career overtake your life, nor make you neglect the other aspect of your life like family, spirituality…. growth in the career you are following, promotion, satisfying results. Career link to nature, like agriculture, botanic, horticulture, outdoor careers, etc…Not well, surrounded would mean that you are out of balance, your career is eating up your life, you are neglecting many things by being so absorbed by your career.

Spiritual:

Spiritual harmony, growth, meditation, peace, spiritual enlightenment, good communication with the spiritual realm, communion with nature, working on centeredness. Retreat in a place that is in the midst of the Nature. Again not well surrounded would indicate that you are “too” spiritual, it is time to look around and get also to appreciate down to earth things.

Timing:

I don’t really know if we use the number of the card it would be 5 months or years and for me it cannot be about days or weeks because of the tree symbolism. With the sign of the Virgo I will say “summer”.

I. Treppner suggests 5 years.

[Empath111]

Not peeking LZ- but lots of info there! GOOD job!!

[celticnoodle]

Okay, so this week is for cards House (#4) and Tree, (#5)

HOUSE
The house speaks of family and security and stablization. At first glance, the home pictured on this card is quite nice and a well manicured property.

Now, when LZ did a reading and this card was turned over, what I saw as a possible owl turned out to be a vase of white flowers. lol! I DO NEED TO GET AN EYE APPT! :bugeyed: so, first the peacock. The peacock is often associated with royalty and is a spiritual symbol as well. it is also considered to be a lucky symbol. It is a proud bird, and so seeing this bird in the image tells me that this card speaks of someone/something that is proud and strong. courageous and in good standing. lucky. I feel like this is symbolizing someone with good standing within the community--possibly someone well educated and well off financially.

Now the white flowers...white is a clean and pure color--again often symbolic of spirituality. white is also symbolic of innocence and respect.

The colors of the home pictured is a light purple--also a spiritual color symbolizes peace and spiritual quest as well as peace; and green, the color of life, symbolizing well being and respect. it is also a very calming and restful color. yellow symbolizes wisdom, happiness and joy.

brown is symbolic of the ground, thus stability and solid. protective. It also makes you think of your roots. your family. A card where you feel well taken care of when you are within the four walls of this home.

General meaning:
given all the above, I see this card as one stating stability and solidness. It is a card that depicts completeness and gives the feeling of being well off. taken care of. it is a strong card, like a safe house.

Health:
I can see this card in a reading re: health as stating that all is well healthwise. Could even indicate someone who is in good health and is a strong, well built person.

Financial:
again well off. stable. perhaps rich, but not necessarily rich. but not needing to worry much about monies.

Love:
in respect to love, this is the card that depicts the type of love where someone knows they are safe and have no worries. They are well taken care of physically, emotionally, mentally, financially. no worries.

Career:
I can't help but to think of a banker or perhaps someone political or even a lawyer, judge, or someone who is in a position of extreme power--head of a large business, military leader, well decorated, etc.

Spiritually:
could stand for someone like a Bishop, or higher in office of a religious group. Spiritually speaking in the general sense, this card would indicate someone who has or is about to or attempting to reach a spiritual awakening.

Timing:
given that the right corner and number of this card is #4, roman numeral IV, I'd say this card is indicating the timing to be from June22 to July 23. The sign of Cancer. Or, it could mean 4--as in 4 days, 4 weeks, 4 mos.

overall, this card just reeks of feeling well taken care of, and knowing it. It is a feel good card and so I'll always see it as a feel good card.

Tree next...........

[celticnoodle]

[QUOTE=celticnoodle;3151349]Okay, so this week is for cards House (#4) and Tree, (#5)

TREE
This card also makes me feel like family. Especially with the two rabbits in the picture. the tree is loaded down with birds. A variety of birds, of which I am unable to identify. Birds are generally seen as messengers, so perhaps this is a card of messages. Being animals that can fly into the sky, they are also linked often to spiritual messages, and for communicating with the deceased/angels, etc. Birds are also seen as a symbol of harmony, our goals, balance.

Trees are symbolic of hope and growth. Of knowledge and life.

The Rabbits on the ground by the tree are also symbolic of life and fertility. Of luck (think rabbits foot!), power and abundance.

General meaning:
The tree gives me again the feeling of the family and ones ancestors. Also family to coming into the fold--a new birth or perhaps a new family member via marriage. anyone who would be added onto the 'family tree'. it also speaks to me of stability and being grounded. It feels protective and strong.

Health:Id see this as a good sign of strength and well being healthwise.

Financial:strong and secure. perhaps not rich - but definitely not poor. especially with this tree being filled with green leaves and birds. it feels like perhaps it is speaking of a good solid start in some project.

Love:
security and perhaps new, due to the rabbits. a new love? a new baby?

Career:
solid and strong career that one can continue to grow in and succeed.

Spiritually:
with the green leaves, and the fact that the roots go deep into the ground while the top of the tree reaches to the heavens, the tree card is a very strong spiritual card. It feels like a protective spiritual force. strong and deep.

Timing:
It has the Virgo symbol, which is from Aug. 23 to Sept. 22. So, I'm going to go with this timing.

[Empath111]

THE HOUSE
mystical
Overall very positive.
BLACKBIRDS: found some negative meanings, but on a couple of Native American sites found: creativity, foundation, and detail. Re-evaluate your path..time of increased spirituality - "better person". Look to the future and see how current behavior effects it.

PEACOCK - Wholeness, renewal, resurrection, integrity, glory.Holiness, sanctity.."all seeing". Reveals "true colors" ."This bird, honored around the world for the beauty of its feathers, has also an association with resurrection. For us it can help in shedding the old and drab feathers of the past and to claim our the true beauty of our individual natures. As such, it helps to enhance confidence and self-esteem.

HOUSE: wisdom, intelligence, truth. (Now we see all three- peacock, blackbird and house is looking at the inner person - the "real person- reveals the truth..common denominator). In dreams reveals how you truly feel about a situation. Need to take a close look and re-evaluate. Also the house may have a meaning to the dreamer of symbolizing the body. This may be like the home of the soul.
I notice one out of 4 rooms is darkened. i think this means we are almost there in everything we need (spiritually, health etc) - there is just a bit more to evaluate to find the hidden truth- we can see most of it- just one more step. life is a journey- to be so close to the answers is very positive. This house has a cottage look to it.

IVY: growth, renewal, connection, friendship, opportunity
(VASE) OF FLOWERS: creativity, friendship, feminine qualities. Contentment to home life.
FLOWERS: Protection, mothers, love, unity, growth, generosity

These are some of the sites I looked up the meaning.
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/peacock-symbolism.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/animals.htm
http://www.windlegends.org/animals.html
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/dream-symbol-meaning.html

NUMEROLOGY -Both 4 and IV. Stability, grounded - 4 may be 4 walls of a house or room. Represents solidity, calmness and home (there we go). "getting back to your roots" - this gels with some of the above meanings of "true colors" etc.

OVERALL: I think the house offers feelings of protection, sanctity, wholeness and renewal. i think it might represent our body that houses our soul. The theme of the above symbols keeps coming back to finding the inner truth - that seems to be the spirituality component. re-evaluating your path and adjusting as needed to 'get back home" - to our innermost roots. Back to when we may have been young and less covered by the difficulties of life- the layers that cover us. - Our past - familial. Going back to our roots. Obviously property.
Sensing the card (my hand covering) had a feeling of "the heart is where the home is" popped into my head. Heart warm..content and peace.

finances:: positive. Enough to cover basic needs and to feel protected.

Career: Stable career. Possibly something related to creativity - or carpentry..building in general.

Love: Stable. Being able to open up and get past that stage where you cover up- opening up to the next stage and being more vulnerable. Showing the "real you" and it goes over well...feeling protected and content. It is an advanced relationship.

Health: Evaluating your health and making changes for the better- eating healthier etc. No major health issues. meditation - ways to ground oneself. Also, a big one as above, it can represent our body- and our body is a temple sort of feeling. so again, not a significant sickness..but healthy and just improving ones health - eating for health, not pleasure etc. Like a "tune-up" LOL

Spiritually: re-evaluating your spiritual path and getting back to your old roots...the innermost soul..a very spiritual card.

Timing: Since 4 is a big component (4th card, IV symbol - 4 walls etc)...This will go with 4 days/4 weeks/ 4 months/4 years. The latter feels more accurate- does not seem like a "quick" card. Longevity- so more like 4 months or years.

[LadyZelda]

Hi Pals! :)

Was out most of the day yesterday so I didn't get a chance to post about our schedule...
neither to read your interpretations!

So first our schedule:

We are studying "The Clouds" and "The Snake" and you can post your interpretation on them starting today, till Friday 25th;)

Now, I'll be reading what you shared!

Have a great week-end and happy reading! :D

[Empath111]

THE TREE
mystical
A VERY happy looking card.
I think I need a magnifying glass to see these cards close up! LOL
TREE: The tree has spiritual meanings...

"The tree is one of humankind's most powerful symbols. It is the embodiment of life in all its realms: the point of union between heaven, earth and water. In most mythology and ancient religious imagery, the tree was believed to have an abundance of divine creative energy."
http://outofthedepths.blogspot.com/2011/02/spiritual-meaning-of-trees.html

The Tree of Life
Adam and Eve
The tree trunk also has a sway to it. if you look at the trunk it looks like a woman's body posing in a dance position.

BIRDS- I can't differentiate which is which, but they are all getting along- all different types- melding together. Content. Happiness. Together like family - even though they have ytheir difference.

RABBITS: OK, I looked up the meaning: “Rabbit: The rabbit totem is an instrument of magic and good luck. Her gifts are spontaneity, alacrity and agility. Likewise, her path guides us to go forward with positive anticipation, for rabbit brings success to all endeavors. Rabbit is also a symbol of reproduction and abundance. The lesson is to create joy and faithfulness within our friendships. Finally, rabbit teaches us to overcome our fears as we take a conscious leap into new territory."http://www.cathyginter.com/TOTEM.html

General meaning The tree is a very positive card - peace, contentment, longevity. It sways as though it is somewhat magical and has an ease of being flexible- yet reliable and sturdy. The birds show peace - getting along - like they are all one despite different species. Very spiritual- the roots growing deep and reaching for the heavens. Connecting heavens with the earth.

Numerology -5 - and I have no idea what the symbol is on the upper right.

Finances:: positive. Investing in the future

Career: Investors, mortgage brokers. Stable and dependable jobs. Jobs that require you to be grounded (massage therapist for example) - tree huggers! ;) Perhaps a medium or psychic. A spiritual adviser.

Love: Grounded in reality - almost like you would get from the pentacle cards in tarot. Slow, steady, faithful. Happy and reliable. The "kind of girl you'd take home to meet mom" sort of feeling.

Health: Aging gracefully. Healthy - "earthy crunchy"..maybe a health-nut. ;)

Spiritually: Very big spiritual meanings of the tree. The connection between the earth and the heavens. Signifies life. Roots in reality but reaching towards the heavens.
Timing: Month of May - 5 months or years...the tree is slow and steady- slow growing

[LadyZelda]

Okay, so this week is for cards House (#4) and Tree, (#5)

HOUSE
The house speaks of family and security and stablization. At first glance, the home pictured on this card is quite nice and a well manicured property.

Now, when LZ did a reading and this card was turned over, what I saw as a possible owl turned out to be a vase of white flowers. lol! I DO NEED TO GET AN EYE APPT! :bugeyed: so, first the peacock. The peacock is often associated with royalty and is a spiritual symbol as well. it is also considered to be a lucky symbol. It is a proud bird, and so seeing this bird in the image tells me that this card speaks of someone/something that is proud and strong. courageous and in good standing. lucky. I feel like this is symbolizing someone with good standing within the community--possibly someone well educated and well off financially.

Now the white flowers...white is a clean and pure color--again often symbolic of spirituality. white is also symbolic of innocence and respect.

The colors of the home pictured is a light purple--also a spiritual color symbolizes peace and spiritual quest as well as peace; and green, the color of life, symbolizing well being and respect. it is also a very calming and restful color. yellow symbolizes wisdom, happiness and joy.

brown is symbolic of the ground, thus stability and solid. protective. It also makes you think of your roots. your family. A card where you feel well taken care of when you are within the four walls of this home.

Good analysis of the personality info hidden in the symbolism…

General meaning:
given all the above, I see this card as one stating stability and solidness. It is a card that depicts completeness and gives the feeling of being well off. taken care of. it is a strong card, like a safe house.

Health:
I can see this card in a reading re: health as stating that all is well healthwise. Could even indicate someone who is in good health and is a strong, well built person.

Financial:
again well off. stable. perhaps rich, but not necessarily rich. but not needing to worry much about monies.

Love:
in respect to love, this is the card that depicts the type of love where someone knows they are safe and have no worries. They are well taken care of physically, emotionally, mentally, financially. no worries.

Career:
I can't help but to think of a banker or perhaps someone political or even a lawyer, judge, or someone who is in a position of extreme power--head of a large business, military leader, well decorated, etc.

Spiritually:
could stand for someone like a Bishop, or higher in office of a religious group. Spiritually speaking in the general sense, this card would indicate someone who has or is about to or attempting to reach a spiritual awakening.

Timing:
given that the right corner and number of this card is #4, roman numeral IV, I'd say this card is indicating the timing to be from June22 to July 23. The sign of Cancer. Or, it could mean 4--as in 4 days, 4 weeks, 4 mos.

overall, this card just reeks of feeling well taken care of, and knowing it. It is a feel good card and so I'll always see it as a feel good card.

Great points! I too will always see it as a “feel good card”

Tree next...........

TREE
This card also makes me feel like family. Especially with the two rabbits in the picture. the tree is loaded down with birds. A variety of birds, of which I am unable to identify. Birds are generally seen as messengers, so perhaps this is a card of messages. Being animals that can fly into the sky, they are also linked often to spiritual messages, and for communicating with the deceased/angels, etc. Birds are also seen as a symbol of harmony, our goals, balance.

Trees are symbolic of hope and growth. Of knowledge and life.

The Rabbits on the ground by the tree are also symbolic of life and fertility. Of luck (think rabbits foot!), power and abundance.

General meaning:
The tree gives me again the feeling of the family and ones ancestors. Also family to coming into the fold--a new birth or perhaps a new family member via marriage. anyone who would be added onto the 'family tree'. it also speaks to me of stability and being grounded. It feels protective and strong.

Like that, good points!

Health:Id see this as a good sign of strength and well being healthwise.

Financial:strong and secure. perhaps not rich - but definitely not poor. especially with this tree being filled with green leaves and birds. it feels like perhaps it is speaking of a good solid start in some project.

I read something very interesting in C. Sylvester’s book. She says that in the area of finances, if it would be on the negative side, it would not be major as the tree never stay bare very long...So if there are financial difficulties they will be temporary, and in due time will pass…

Love:
security and perhaps new, due to the rabbits. a new love? a new baby?

Career:
solid and strong career that one can continue to grow in and succeed.

Spiritually:
with the green leaves, and the fact that the roots go deep into the ground while the top of the tree reaches to the heavens, the tree card is a very strong spiritual card. It feels like a protective spiritual force. strong and deep.

Timing:
It has the Virgo symbol, which is from Aug. 23 to Sept. 22. So, I'm going to go with this timing.

Yep, that would work! the other possibility would be using the #5, like I. Treppner does...

[LadyZelda]

THE HOUSE
mystical
Overall very positive.
BLACKBIRDS: found some negative meanings, but on a couple of Native American sites found: creativity, foundation, and detail. Re-evaluate your path..time of increased spirituality - "better person". Look to the future and see how current behavior effects it.

PEACOCK - Wholeness, renewal, resurrection, integrity, glory.Holiness, sanctity.."all seeing". Reveals "true colors" ."This bird, honored around the world for the beauty of its feathers, has also an association with resurrection. For us it can help in shedding the old and drab feathers of the past and to claim our the true beauty of our individual natures. As such, it helps to enhance confidence and self-esteem.

HOUSE: wisdom, intelligence, truth. (Now we see all three- peacock, blackbird and house is looking at the inner person - the "real person- reveals the truth..common denominator). In dreams reveals how you truly feel about a situation. Need to take a close look and re-evaluate. Also the house may have a meaning to the dreamer of symbolizing the body. This may be like the home of the soul.
I notice one out of 4 rooms is darkened. i think this means we are almost there in everything we need (spiritually, health etc) - there is just a bit more to evaluate to find the hidden truth- we can see most of it- just one more step. life is a journey- to be so close to the answers is very positive. This house has a cottage look to it.

Very good point you made with the rooms!



IVY: growth, renewal, connection, friendship, opportunity
(VASE) OF FLOWERS: creativity, friendship, feminine qualities. Contentment to home life.
FLOWERS: Protection, mothers, love, unity, growth, generosity

These are some of the sites I looked up the meaning.
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/peacock-symbolism.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/animals.htm
http://www.windlegends.org/animals.html
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/dream-symbol-meaning.html

NUMEROLOGY -Both 4 and IV. Stability, grounded - 4 may be 4 walls of a house or room. Represents solidity, calmness and home (there we go). "getting back to your roots" - this gels with some of the above meanings of "true colors" etc.

OVERALL: I think the house offers feelings of protection, sanctity, wholeness and renewal. i think it might represent our body that houses our soul. The theme of the above symbols keeps coming back to finding the inner truth - that seems to be the spirituality component. re-evaluating your path and adjusting as needed to 'get back home" - to our innermost roots. Back to when we may have been young and less covered by the difficulties of life- the layers that cover us. - Our past - familial. Going back to our roots. Obviously property.
Sensing the card (my hand covering) had a feeling of "the heart is where the home is" popped into my head. Heart warm..content and peace.

finances:: positive. Enough to cover basic needs and to feel protected.

Career: Stable career. Possibly something related to creativity - or carpentry..building in general.

Love: Stable. Being able to open up and get past that stage where you cover up- opening up to the next stage and being more vulnerable. Showing the "real you" and it goes over well...feeling protected and content. It is an advanced relationship.

Health: Evaluating your health and making changes for the better- eating healthier etc. No major health issues. meditation - ways to ground oneself. Also, a big one as above, it can represent our body- and our body is a temple sort of feeling. so again, not a significant sickness..but healthy and just improving ones health - eating for health, not pleasure etc. Like a "tune-up" LOL

Spiritually: re-evaluating your spiritual path and getting back to your old roots...the innermost soul..a very spiritual card.

Timing: Since 4 is a big component (4th card, IV symbol - 4 walls etc)...This will go with 4 days/4 weeks/ 4 months/4 years. The latter feels more accurate- does not seem like a "quick" card. Longevity- so more like 4 months or years.

Real good insights, thanks for the links!:D



THE TREE
mystical
A VERY happy looking card.
I think I need a magnifying glass to see these cards close up! LOL
TREE: The tree has spiritual meanings...

"The tree is one of humankind's most powerful symbols. It is the embodiment of life in all its realms: the point of union between heaven, earth and water. In most mythology and ancient religious imagery, the tree was believed to have an abundance of divine creative energy."
http://outofthedepths.blogspot.com/2011/02/spiritual-meaning-of-trees.html

The Tree of Life
Adam and Eve
The tree trunk also has a sway to it. if you look at the trunk it looks like a woman's body posing in a dance position.

Yes, it’s quite something isn’t it!

BIRDS- I can't differentiate which is which, but they are all getting along- all different types- melding together. Content. Happiness. Together like family - even though they have ytheir difference.

RABBITS: OK, I looked up the meaning: “Rabbit: The rabbit totem is an instrument of magic and good luck. Her gifts are spontaneity, alacrity and agility. Likewise, her path guides us to go forward with positive anticipation, for rabbit brings success to all endeavors. Rabbit is also a symbol of reproduction and abundance. The lesson is to create joy and faithfulness within our friendships. Finally, rabbit teaches us to overcome our fears as we take a conscious leap into new territory."http://www.cathyginter.com/TOTEM.html

General meaning The tree is a very positive card - peace, contentment, longevity. It sways as though it is somewhat magical and has an ease of being flexible- yet reliable and sturdy. The birds show peace - getting along - like they are all one despite different species. Very spiritual- the roots growing deep and reaching for the heavens. Connecting heavens with the earth.

Yeah, I agree!

Numerology -5 - and I have no idea what the symbol is on the upper right.

It is the astro. Sign: Virgo

Finances:: positive. Investing in the future

Career: Investors, mortgage brokers. Stable and dependable jobs. Jobs that require you to be grounded (massage therapist for example) - tree huggers! ;) Perhaps a medium or psychic. A spiritual adviser.

Love: Grounded in reality - almost like you would get from the pentacle cards in tarot. Slow, steady, faithful. Happy and reliable. The "kind of girl you'd take home to meet mom" sort of feeling.

Health: Aging gracefully. Healthy - "earthy crunchy"..maybe a health-nut. ;)

Spiritually: Very big spiritual meanings of the tree. The connection between the earth and the heavens. Signifies life. Roots in reality but reaching towards the heavens.
Timing: Month of May - 5 months or years...the tree is slow and steady- slow growing

I had the same feeling about the tree growing slowly, so symbolizing length of time. I like "kind of girl you'd take home to meet mom" sort of feeling. does feel that way! and I like how you worded your comment for "health" "aging gracefully" matches well with the tree and its "Lady trunk" dancing!;)

[LadyZelda]

6- The Clouds

Energy of the card:

I felt a wave of uneasiness, heaviness in my head, and then it was brushed away.

Symbolism


Clouds:

Clouds are linked with the divine, many divine beings come on a cloud! Kuan Yin/BM is often represented on a cloud, etc…therefore, clouds are messengers of the Spiritual realm, and the cloud that carries the dragon on this card makes me think that it is to tell us to “not worry”, everything is under control, don’t panic! Because these problems were set up for our greater good, for our spiritual growth, and we should embrace them as an opportunity to better ourself, to increase our knowledge! Turn what looks like “stumbling blocks” into “stepping stones”! Clouds speak to us just like our dreams if you pay attention and look up just like the monkey and parrot do! Clouds represents also our thought life, can be dark (with negative thoughts that are destructive instead of productive), can blur our thinking, so we are invited to pierce through them instead of relying on our physical distorted sight…If we are experiencing a “cloudy” situation we should seek insights and find out what it is all about (good time to use our oracle;)), the expression “having our head in the clouds”, tells us that one is a dreamer. And finally, I’ll say that clouds also represent “revelation” and with the dragon on this one, it is like suddenly, as a gift, you find out the answers!

Chinese Dragon:

Here, it is important to note that it is a “Chinese” dragon as they are quite different for the western dragons. Their symbolism is actually very positive. It speaks of happiness, of good luck, magic, hope, of wishes that come true, things will turn out for the better, prosperity, power to overcome problems until success, balance, protection against evil. Speaks also of adaption, transformation, which allows to cope with the problems we encounter; we see them as challenges and not as problems and make the best out of those situations.
The Chinese dragon rules the 5th sign of the Chinese zodiac, the symbol of the rising sun! (a dark cloud might be hovering over you, but the sun will soon take its place!). Seen also as divine, it is represented with the clouds. On this picture he blows out the dark cloud which for me tells us that any problem, set back, difficulties in our lives are controlled and are beneficial, they are there as lesson to help us grow while we go on with our journey; (they are created by a “good divine dragon”).

Monkey:

The monkey symbol was also well chosen for the Clouds. He invites us to expect the unexpected, the forecast suddenly changes, and clouds are darkening our life. The monkey have the ability to keep their balance while swinging from branch to branch at diverse heights…this tells us to adapt ourselves with our situation and found balance to go through it. They are playful and do tricks that can fool people…even if they can imitate human beings they are still monkeys, so here again we have the aspect of appearance not being really true to reality. He can warn us not to get tricked by appearances. The monkeys are bold and confident and do not hesitate to “bite”, to attack if need be, his message for this card is “don’t worry about the clouds, take action! On the picture he and the parrot look up at the sky and what they see do not concern them, they look quite relaxed.

Parrot:

Symbol of illusion, the parrot can fool anyone very easily if one only hears what is said one can believe that a human has just spoken when in truth it was a parrot. Thus, appearances can be deceiving, also the parrot seems to be able to “speak” but it truly only can repeat what he hears. That links again to the message of the Clouds, telling us that the difficulties are not so bad, we should not get ourselves all worked up about them. In Feng Shui the parrot brings good news and attracts positive energy while repelling negative energy.

The beach:

Water, the ocean…represent diverse emotions, feelings, the fluctuation of both, the ups and downs. Also things always in movement and changes, while having also an effect of purification, life and its cycles the moon does control the tides, this give the idea that things don’t remain the same, if one’s sky is darkened by black clouds it is just temporary and it will pass.

Neptune Symbol: (Right upper corner)

This symbol of course is not only representing the planet but also the “god of the waters” also known as Poseidon. This matches well with the representation of the beach on the card. Neptune’s fate (being swallowed by his father Saturn and being trapped inside of him) indicates a set back before he became the ruler of the waters; which goes along with the message of this card “delay, some difficulties, problems, but it is just temporary”. The ups and downs of feelings, emotions, are also seen in Neptune who is just as the symbol of water. Imagination, dreams, intuition, insights as well as illusions are part of Neptune who rules the zodiac sign of the Pisces. This quite links with the clouds as one can “scry” the clouds, as they form symbols to the intuitive and imaginative mind. Also, the dark cloud can give the wrong impression at first; both clouds can mud our perception about a situation. Neptune also rule the Tarot card “The Hanged Man” and this card speaks about “delays” besides others things, just like the Clouds suggest.


General meaning:

“The clouds” for me is not a plain positive card like the Clover, the house, but it is not a “negative” card either. It shows a mix of problem (dark cloud) and solution (the white one). I would read the combination according to which cloud touches which card. I will say that if the dark cloud touches a negative card it is a message that things are quite troublesome but as it is still a cloud, in due time it will pass. If it is the white cloud that touches a negative card I will say that we are encourage to keep a positive mind, reach up for answers and ways, and help to overcome the omen of that negative card. With a positive card by the dark cloud, IMO it would mean watch out trouble is heading your way, and with a positive card touching the white cloud would mean all will turn out for the best.
The clouds bring us a sign of worries, troubles, as well as insights and a change for the best. They speak of the ups and downs of our life, of the changes, and cycles, of the lessons we are supposed to learn and grow through them, of not being tricked by appearances and of keeping a positive attitude no matter what. Also, of seeking answers, controlling our emotions, accepting changes; of being patient when a cloud of delay is upon us, and look up toward days of good fortune.

Health:

In general, it is temporary trouble and nothing major. Depending of surrounding cards we are caught into an illness or getting out of it. Tells us also that we are worried, troubled and need to regain some confidence as well as control our emotions. It is not so bad as it looks.

Financial:

Some momentarily financial set back, little problems, a checkbook not well balanced, few bills that are to be paid and we don’t have quite the money for it, and might have to charge them on a credit card. Come down from your cloud and look into your financial situation, to clarify everything, time to face these little problems. Feeling of insecurity regarding our finances but on the other hand the white cloud with the dragon says that things will get better, just wait and see.

Love:

Misunderstanding, little conflict with loved ones, a relationship is not really clear don’t really know what to think…Again nothing major and it will pass. Look for insights and better days that are to come

Career:

Again nothing major but little annoyance at work or with one’s business. Things are not smooth, and some misunderstandings cloud our relationships with colleague/boss/customers. Little difficulties to overcome, set back we don’t get exactly what we were aiming for, some changes at work bother us. Can represent career where people do a lot of thinking, like analyst or psychiatrics.

Spiritual:

Time to search for answers, to go deeper, pierce the clouds, and get revelation, insight, an epiphany, meditation. By the dark cloud, our spiritual path is confusing, we are wondering about many things, not sure what to believe.

Timing:

Not long, things changing pretty fast, maybe just from a cycle to another. If using the #6 of the card I will tend toward 6 days or weeks.

[Empath111]

Very good point you made with the rooms!




Real good insights, thanks for the links!:D




Yes, it’s quite something isn’t it!



Yeah, I agree!



It is the astro. Sign: Virgo



I had the same feeling about the tree growing slowly, so symbolizing length of time. I like "kind of girl you'd take home to meet mom" sort of feeling. does feel that way! and I like how you worded your comment for "health" "aging gracefully" matches well with the tree and its "Lady trunk" dancing!;)
Thanks LZ!
I gave the links because I feel like I am plagiarizing if I don't! LOL! Still stuck in college mindset;)
Ahhh..Virgo sign. thank you!

[celticnoodle]

Okay, this week is for the clouds and snake cards.

CLOUDS

So, looking at the cloud card, there is a dark black cloud on the left hand side of the card and a white puffy cloud on teh right, which seems to have a dragon inside of it. the black cloud on the left sort of looks like at the top a snake, I believe. Not sure if the creator meant for this to be, but to me, I can see the body and head of a snake at the top.

So, if I were to see this card show up in a reading, I'd say any card that was to the left of this card would mean some problems for the client. to the right of the cards, I'd see good things for the client--tying in with the cards that are laying to each of these sides.

Now, dragons are symbolic of good luck and protection. also a symbol of power and strength. So, perhaps, if and when it shows up in a reading, it should be read as overcoming a hardship.

There is also a small monkey holding a piece of fruit in his hand. Monkeys are symbolic of playfulness and fun. They are generally good natured animals with the intelligence of human children. They are much like children over all. The monkey is also very family oriented and exhibits a great show of caring to others.

The red bird on his head, I've no idea what type of bird it is, but all birds are said to have a connection to the heavens and the spirits. Being a red color, I'd also say this bird is symbolic of life and blood--perhaps family? it is a bold color, often depicting action and confidence. I recall when I was in HS, a teacher telling us when we go for a job interview, it is often advisable to wear red--as red is a powerful color indicating confidence and intelligence. I also recall buying a red suit, that seemed to be very good for me with my first few jobs! :D

Red can also depict aggression, and while the monkey and bird both look sweet and peaceful, they are sitting under the dark cloud...........

waters are all about emotions and the sand would symbolize changes in your attitude. I do know that I love to walk on the beach--in the sand, as it feels so warm and inviting and supportive. every step just feels good, so I'd say that sand also could be depicting support and warmth.

the beach on the ocean can indicate a transition and major changes happening in your life (per my dream site). and of course, the ocean is symbolic of a spiritual renewal, and of course emotions. Since the waters seems to be rather calm, it gives a feeling of calmness too.

the symbol in the right hand corner is related to Neptune. Neptune is supposedly symbolic of dreams and illusions and not paying much attention to reality. allowing oneself to give rather then receive or give more then one receives. lol--been there, done that--many times, I'm afraid!

GENERAL MEANING

so, as I mentioned already above, if I were to see this in a spread, I'd read the cards to the left of the card as troublesome and to the right as lucky and good. I'm generally use to reading anything falling to the left is the past and to the right is the future and not sure if this is used in Lenormand reading. If it could be then, anything to the left could indicate what the client is facing currently or in the past and to the right what the possible answer is to remedying the situation.


HEALTH

health wise, I'd have to rely on the cards to the left of this card as showing the illnesses that the client is facing or overcoming. To the right, the possible help for the client or perhaps how/who the client can overcome the health issues.

if this card shows up to the main significator card to the left, then healthwise it would seem to indicate concern or perhaps even someone who is a chronic complainer. to the right it would indicate not allowing the health issue to have an ill effect on the client.

FINANCIAL
again, with this card, it is really going to depend on the cards around it. this is definitely a card that cannot be easily read on its own accord. it must take into account the cards surrounding it. so, to the left is what is in jeopardy and to the right are the blessings to come financially, I think. the cards to the left may also indicate unwise and childish (because of the monkey) decisions made that they are paying for. this card itself generally depicts being overly generous to a fault, so to the left of a card, it could show to whom or for what the client is being too generous with, to the right, it would indicate what or whom is being overly generous to the client.

LOVE
read w/the cards to the left, a love that is not wise for them, whether this be a partner and if w/the cards to the right, one that will pay off for them in some way--whether this is a long lasting love, speaking of possible marriage or at least one that will be forever memorable in a good way.

if this card shows up next to a love interest on its left it could indicate that the love interest is not in the clients best interest--that perhaps the client gives more then they receive and is being taken advantage of. To the right of a love interest card, the opposite--that their love is doting on them.

CAREER
the cards to the left, career choices that are being questioned or troublesome. the cards to the right of this card would indicate what the client should keep in mind or consider.

SPIRITUALITY
the cards to the left of the clouds would indicate to me some problems they are facing spiritually most likely and to the right of the clouds card would indicate a possible new path they are facing.

[b]TIMINGwell now...for timing. I'd be inclined to say summer time, as the card feels so warm. And, knowing that the planet Neptune is slow moving, it would indicate something that will take awhile to complete. And, becausae the planet Neptune is the 8th planet from the sun, I'd keep in mind the number 8--8 days, 8 weeks, 8 mos.

[celticnoodle]

SNAKE
So now, the snake card shows a snake standing tall upon a rock w/some grass. on one side is the sun and the other is the moon. the snake wears a crown upon it's head and is wrapped around a golden egg. water is below it, but calm.

The snake has an evil look on it's face, so not to be trusted. the crown speaks of royal, so someone who is powerful and demanding. The sun is a sign of warmth and also of authority. it can symbolize hope and is a spiritual symbol. the moon is generally thought of as symbolizing mystery and often people look at it as a symbol of being fickle. it is thought to be in control of our emotions. a symbol of intuition and psychic abilities. the golden egg--financial rewards. water, symbolic of emotions and the color green for the grass on top of the rock--prosperity. the rock itself can be security or stability. a position of power, determination and stubborness.

GENERAL MEANING
it seems to me that this snake is sitting up high and perhaps is sitting pretty with the golden egg in it's possession. given that there is water beneath the rock, but the water is calm, it would give that this card depicts someone untrustworthy--and one who plays with emotions. the facial features gives the impression of meanness. I keep getting a feeling of 'the boss' so definitely this card gives a feeling of a bossy person--if NOT a boss at work or person in charge, one who likes to be in charge and undermines others if they are not so.

HEALTH
if this card appeared in a reading regarding health, I could see again where the client or person it reads for is suggesting something being hidden that would benefit this person the card stands for. If it is to be in their favor to play up an illness, they would, and if they do not want a health issue to be known, they will hide it. this card just feels filled with corruption--like someone would be two faced or would lie if it was in their interest about their health.

FINANCIAL
greed. this card really feels greedy to me, the way the snake is holding onto that golden egg.

LOVE
not a trustworthy love. one who would marry for money and position, not for love.

CAREER
again greed here too. one who would do anything to get ahead--lie, cheat and steal. someone who wants to be in a position of power. Oh, I forgot to list actual careers for the clouds--so for the snake perhaps an investor/investment broker or a con artist. :P

SPIRITUALITY
interestingly enough the snake is generally seen as a spiritual symbol. We've all heard of the kundalini snake--but it can also be seen spiritually as sneaky and evil. temptation. dangerous.

[b]TIMING
With the Virgo sign in the upper right corner, I'd say this timing would be from August 23-Sept. 22. That or perhaps 7 days, 7 weeks or 7 mos as relating to the number in the left hand corner.

[Empath111]

THE CLOUDS
mystical

It looks angry, confused, contradictory. Mixed up emotions. Stress.


CLOUDS: clearing confusion. Secrets, burdens epiphany, revelations, gatherings, mystery, potential.
http://www.tarotteachings.com/cloud-meaning-in-tarot.html

SMOKE:-"To see smoke in your dream indicates some sort of trouble that is entering your life. You are suffering from confusion and anxiety. In particular, if the smoke is black, then it means that you are not seeing some situation or problem clearly."

DRAGON:"To see a dragon in your dream represents your strong will and fiery personality. You tend to get carried away by your passion, which may lead you into trouble. You need to exercise some self-control.
In the eastern cultures, dragons are seen as spiritual creatures symbolizing good luck and fortune.
To dream that you are a dragon and breathing fire suggests that you are using your anger to get your own way." Dragon breathing fire=anger. Uncontrolled emotions is what I sense.

CARDINAL: The bird is clearly angry- spiteful/fighting with the dragon. The dragon's spitting out fire (dark smoke) at the bird. The monkey seems calm and somewhat oblivious. "To see a cardinal in your dream represents vitality and happiness. It also may mean being in first place or your position at the front."

MONKEY: "To see a monkey in your dream symbolizes deceit, insight and intuition. Those around you are working to advance their own interest. Alternatively, monkeys indicate an immature attitude, a playful nature and the mischievous side of your personality." Seeing this monkey holding a ball of yarn is seems like he is playful, but so contradictory to the angry bird and fighting dragon.

YARN "To see yarn in your dream symbolizes your connection and creativity. Alternatively, yarn in your dream means that you are stuck in a rut. You are going about your daily life in the same old tired pattern. If the yarn is tangled and knotted, then it implies that you are experiencing some emotional distress or confusion in a situation."

BEACH/WATER/OCEAN:"To see the beach in your dream symbolizes the meeting between your two states of mind. The sand is symbolic of the rational and mental processes while the water signifies the irrational, unsteady, and emotional aspects of yourself. It is a place of transition between the physical/material and the spiritual." Another emotional card- confusion/irrationality/mental unsteadiness.

So I don't plagiarize: ;)
Most came from this site. i don't have enough symbolism knowledge - so I am finding looking things up very helpful. Then I try to throw in an intuitive touch or something I might see.
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/s3.htm

General meaning; It looks angry, confused, contradictory. The bird and the dragon seem to be going at it. The white fluffy clouds versus black smoke. The harshness of the dragon and the peacefulness of the serene beach. Much of the findings above lead to states of confusion, difficulty with emotions or mental state. The contradictions may be considered feeling pulled into different directions. Fluctuations. Mental illness difficulties.

Sense of card: When I put my hand over it I sense a swirly feeling in my head that makes me feel ungrounded/flighty.

Numerology/Astrology: 6 - harmonious, flaws upsets (6). image on top right looks like a devil's pitchfork to me. ? OK, googling and researching: trident. ? As Neptune moves in Pisces? Symbol of Neptune. God of the sea, ruler of pisces. Dreams, psychic receptivity, illusions and confusion.

Finances: Fluctuations. Contradictions (maybe like someone who went bankrupt but still wears nice suits and appears well-off outwardly). Perhaps getting money from deceiving ways - ie - cheating on taxes.

Career: Stumped. Someone unsure of "what they want to be when they grow up". Perhaps due to the feelings of mental imbalance..psychiatrists/psychologists. But not sure if that fits. I feel it is a bumpy career - switching of jobs..trying to find one that fits...but really aimless.

Love: Not the best love card. Confusion/illusions. Emotionally charged and irrational. Not using your head- only heart..and the end results are not in your favor.

Health: mental illness, emotional disturbances. Contradictions (maybe like something like bulimia- you eat and then you do what you have to do to be thin). or a diabetic taking extra insulin in order to eat what he/she wants. Just trying to think of examples.

Spiritually: I see the dragon has some quite important spiritual meanings - especially in the Chines zodiac. However, he is breathing fire/black smoke. More contradictions. So i may surmise that this is fluctuating states of spirituality-in a confused state- not sure which way to turn. For example I have seen people who were quite spiritual or religious lose their Faith after a tragedy in their lives (death of a loved one for example) and not sure which way to turn. Or perhaps someone who was raised in one religion and is seeking to find one that fits their needs more..but confused on which way to go.

Timing: Fluctuations of time. difficulty pinning it down. If anything- we'll go for 6. I feel 6 weeks. [/QUOTE]

[Empath111]

I read through your "clouds" posts after I did mine. Quite a few differences, but I love to see the different views. i wanted to say I thought it was very cool about the positioning of the cards to the left or right- the card to the left more negative - and to the right more positive.
OH, and PS: I need glasses - I thought it was a cardinal instead of a parrot - and a ball of yarn instead of a ball! LOL

[tarotlyn]

:heart::) This is my version of the Clouds and the Snake cards...
(no i didn't read any of your previous posts in here...
so this will probably be very different than all of yours)
Plus i have not received my my Mystical cards yet.
(...they are in the mail! :thumbsup: )

My Study Through May 25th, 2012 = 6. Clouds and 7. Snake

6. Clouds:
I see this card two ways:
1.) The 'darker' side of the Clouds = Obstacles, Setbacks, Delays, Uncertainty, Confusion,
Worry, Doubts, Fear. Puts a damper on the situation or card to its right, clouds
your insight about the card to the right.

2.) The 'lighter' side of the clouds = Clarity, Brightness, Vision, Understanding, Things
working out. Being able to see cleary or understand the card to its right.

These meanings are basically 'off the top of my head'...not tarot...but my thoughts, so if
i get it wrong...i don't know...just remember that i am learning here and i plan to get
better at this eventually!

*HEALTH:
Confusion and worry regarding health issues, especially affecting your lungs, caused by
smoking.
Could be a health setback. Or just getting a cold and feeling under the weather. Also could
be dust that brings on an asthma attack. Emphysema could also be a problem as well.
Clouds mostly have to do with lung problems or issues...maybe just 'congestion' from a cold.

BRIGHT side of the clouds: could indicate a clearing of that lung problem or congestion.

*FINANCES:
There is some worry or setback regaring your earnings/income. Maybe you are or will
be unsure of being able to pay your bills. Maybe there is confusion as to why a certain
amount was deducted from your paycheck. At any rate, it doesn't look that great for finances.

BRIGHT side of the clouds: Things are looking brighter for your finances. You have a clear view
of how to make money or get money. No problems with finances. You will have enough
money for your needs.

*LOVE:
A setback in a relationship. Worried about something regarding your partner. If you
don't have one, maybe you are worried that you will never have...or at any rate, you may
feel doubtful about finding love. Or...you are confused about love and not really certain how
you feel about it or another person.

Or...Love is a problem for you because you just don't understand it. Not a good relationship
or not good to start one.

BRIGHT side of the cloud: You have great clarity and understand of what love is and how
you feel about it or a person in your life. It is 'all go' for love! LOL

*CAREER OR BIZ:
A setback or some kind some problem at work or with your work at home. There may be
a challenge right now that you just can't figure out how to handle. Plus you are worried
about that challenge. It is uncertain just how you will be able to see your way through a
muddled situation that has presented itself on the job or a project that you are working on.

*SPIRITUALITY:
Setback, obstacle, challenge or even doubting your faith in whatever the next card is
(to the right). Not being Spiritual. Confused or not sure how you feel about being Spiritual.
Confused about or can't see if there really is a Creator of this world. Maybe you doubt
religion and are an atheist.

Bright side of cloud: Being able to see cleary your belief in a Creator or religion, or your Spirituality.
Having a bright Spirit.

*TIMING:
hmmmm ...Clouds as timing...
It is the '6th' card, so 6 hours because clouds move very fast and have fast energy.
Dark side: Things can go from bad to worse within 6 hours to 1 day!
Light side: Things clearing up very quickly and should be okay within 6 hrs and before the day is up!
YAY! bright skys again :)

...the 7. Snake card is next (Yikes...my experinces with 'the' snake so far!!!:bugeyed: :laugh:)...

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7. Snake:
(a Warning card) ...something very nasty!
Can be an evil, slithering, sneaky, enemy or rival that has or will try to back bite you or
harm you in some way. This person may use gile to charm you or lull you in before they hurt
or attack you. Of course then there is plain lying, jealousy, or betrayal They may even try
to sabotage something you are working on or are involved with.
Be on the lookout for them and don't trust them!
OR: sometimes it just indicates a very quiet, but smart and mysterious person...watch out
for them too! LOL (Don't let someone sell you on the wrong thing!)

The snake can also be positive in the sense that through the awfulness of it, it has or will
bring you 'deep' lessons or trials that you need for your Soul.

*HEALTH:
Problems and/or complications with your digestive system (intestines). 'Your' (inner) plumbing is plugged up?
(Constipated? or other?) ...just a thought that came to me...LOL

*FINANCES:
Your income may be jepordized by an unscrupulous person...maybe your BF or mate, or
friend for that matter, (or even a stranger online) could find out your banking (debit card)
numbers and drain your account! yes, i do have a great imagination...LOL
Anyway, there will be problems concertining your money, rescources, or income in such a
way that it will be unpredictable. It could be that someone lies to you and ends up not
paying you what they said they would.

*LOVE:
Ah...a 'cheating' person!!! Sneaky, slithering around behind your back and partaking of
another's bliss...plain old cheating!!!
OR: Someone in a relationship with you could be very jealous of you but they might keep
this to themselves. They are not to be trusted (once you find out who they are, of course.)

*CAREER OR BIZ:
Jealousies and betrayal on the job or in a business. This could involve female co-workers or
group members. Be careful who you trust. Beguiling and manipulative person at work or in
your biz or on your project or in your group.

*SPIRITUALITY:
i know a lot of people think of the snake as a deeping of Spiriutaliy and normally it is,
as it may bring much needed (but hurtful) lessons along with it. The snake as a 'person'
in your readings is probably not that Spiritual if they are that low to try to sabatoge you and
harm you in some way. I would say that they have 'slithered' OFF of their Spiritual path! :bugeyed:

*TIMING:
I find the snake to be very quick...darting sideways as fast as it can go...so like something
to watch out for (nasty something or someone) that happens in 7 hours? (Or even in mere minutes?)
It can or will disappeared QUICKLY back behind something :bugeyed:...So I think this snake
card is almost 'immediate'...it is either going on right now or will come about in the next say
7 days at the latest time.

:heart: Lyn

[LadyZelda]

Not many symbols but so much to say about that Snake! So here it is:

7 - The Snake

Energy of the card:
I felt a very strong energy piercing me like knives, an heavy feeling in my throat chakra (same I feel when someone is trying to cheat me, to lie to me or about me), I felt like if I was chocking, like if I could not breathe easily, like when I am overstressed, I felt also an heaviness in my chest, with accelerated heart beats. I don’t know about you Empath, but this card felt not good at all and greatly disturbed me.

Symbolism

A rocky island:

This island looks like a little fortified kingdom (especially with the snake wearing a crown), it is made out of cliffs visibly all around even if we don’t see it all, and you expect this to be true. There is really no easy access to this island, no beach, to land nicely…the only thing I thought of is that you better stay away from it, because the only thing that must happen in its vicinity would be to be shipwreck against the cliff and not have any way to reach dry land! Without climbing equipment and skills there is nothing you can do but drown. Also, the currents seem strong around the island which reinforces the idea of being drawn to a crash. What I don’t like is the treachery of this island, from afar if you don’t pay attention to the cliff or if you think that “there must be a beach on the other side…” it could be attractive with that green grass on the top…it looks like the “icing on a cake” makes it look good and appealing but it is not the assurance that the cake is actually as delicious as it looks! Deceiving appearances is what comes to my mind.

The ocean:

Water again in that card and troubled waters with probably lots of currents…makes me think of the feeling I had when sensing the energy of this card, disturbed emotions, stress, anxieties, worries…

Sun and Moon:

They are placed on each side of the snake and it makes me think that they represent “night and day” Like this snake is at it “day in day out” it won’t give you a rest. It will work at its schemes diligently and without ceasing until it accomplishes what it has in mind. Also that it doesn’t matter to it how long it would take, a full cycle, more cycles, doesn’t matter it will get you by wearing you down. And I think it says that it won’t let you breathe (like the feeling I had), it will harass you night and day, until you are so tired that you would fall in the trap. It disturbs you all day long and you can’t even recuperate, neither gather your strength at night to be able to brace another blow during the day. It makes me think also about another part of this snake’s strategy, it will succeed to fool you in “broad daylight” like these people who succeed to lie to you with a big smile, looking at you straight in the eyes, they sounds so truthful and trustworthy (sun/day)and are so skilled at it that most people don’t have a clue about it unless they hear the warning of their spirit….and this snake will also use hidden ways (moon/night), backstabbing you, plotting carefully without you noticing anything, keeping you in the “dark”.

The Snake with his crown and golden egg:

So here is the “villain”! It is not a specie that I recognize but I believe this is not important; for sure it is a poisonous snake because of the shape the artist has given to its head. Thus, that snake as nothing but evil intentions and is ready to put them in actions! Its thought life is as poisonous as its words. Look how it stands in the position to stab you….It wears a crown and I believe it feels confident and unchallengeable ruler of its little kingdom. It can scheme as much as it wants; it feels secure on its island no one is going to succeed to get it to make it pay for its crimes! It has no ethics, no shame and not one ounce of remorse, guilt, or troubled conscience. “The end justifies the means” that must be its motto! It is crafty, a con artist; it speaks with its “forked tongue”! It has words that cut life knives… Badmouthing, slandering, being such a skilled liar that its words sound like truth! It has the power to “hypnotize” you, to confuse you, seduce you, to trick you ever more so. It will try to influence you to be as bad as it is, suggesting the wrong kind of things, making the bad look good and the good look bad, to spoil your good habits, destroy any righteous value in your life, its advices will get you in trouble…. If you cross it, its vengeance will be dreadful.
It won’t back up from anything, won’t be bothered to stoop down low, if that can help it reach its goal. It will stab you in the back, walk over you if need be…It holds its golden egg close against its body, it has made its fortune out of crushing others under, of deceiving, backstabbing, others, etc…Also, it keeps its big golden well visible like if it wants to tempt you with it, like if it is a prop for a trap and once you come closer to try to get it, it strikes at you!
I’m not sure if we can view the positive side of this symbol within this card. So the “healing” symbolism found as an emblem for pharmacist, for medicine, and being shown in the Bible, when God tells Moses to make a bronze snake and that anyone who would look up to it would be healed. The creativity and fertility, the transformation, death and rebirth meaning (like in the Tarot), flexibility (there are a lot of snakes where I live and many time they succeed to survive because of the flexibility of their body, people would run over them and they would be able to remain alive! They can squeeze themselves in tiny space). The fact that snakes are useful to keep the rodent population under control; its spiritual and divine connotation like the principal of the feminine spiritual energy, and the symbol of the Goddess…I guess they would not apply here or maybe just in some degrees if surrounded by positive cards???

Zodiac sign: Scorpio (Right upper corner)

This will more apply to a positive side of the snake than the negative…so I don’t know maybe it is a reminder again by the artist that nothing is ever black or white, that even “negative cards” are not 100% negative….you can turn things around and can find a positive side in any situation; like just the fact that the Oracle has just opened your eyes and warned you about that “snake” so you can take action and it won’t bit you or if it does it won’t be as bad you’ll be able to work it out…
Scorpio denotes sensitivity, self-reliance, ability to adapt oneself, strong will power and setting up of goals…Tarot wise, it is linked to the Death card….

General meaning:

For me the keyword here is: Watch out!

So be on your guard, hold on to what you know is true and right, be careful who you confide with, watch your back, weight your words (they could be turned against you), open your eyes, look pass the “golden” appearance…”not everything that shines is gold”, “if it is too good to be true, it’s because it is!”, “an apple candy looks good even when it has maggots in its core!”, hypocrisy, “2 face people”, dishonesty, do some soul searching what is wrong in your life, a “rocky” path, troubles, difficulties, deceptions, worries, heartaches, manipulations are ahead of you! Watch out where you are stepping, there are quicksand around you! You are on dangerous ground, remain on the alert…Malevolent person that is in your acquaintances or you’re about to meet.
I see this card as an alarm resounding, as a big red light flashing! It’s time to take cover, to look behind the veil, to brace yourself, put on the armor, pull out your sword, sleep with one eye open!

Health:

Watch out when picking out a restaurant, watch out that the food you plan to eat isn’t spoiled, food poisoning threat, virus threat, don’t expose yourself to disease, make sure what you touch is sanitary. You are at risk to deal with one of those tricky illnesses, which symptoms are deceiving, leading everyone on a wild goose chase, looks like a certain disease while being another. Get a second diagnostic, watch out which doctor you pick as he might be out to reap you off by making a mountain out of a molehill! Time to do a checkup, you might feel perfectly fine but there is something amiss inside of you, there is an inner problem that is not yet showing up but when it does it will be too late to deal with it the easy way…take care of it while it is in the “embryo” state. Sick holistic solution to your illness, search for “divine” healing…time to seek a “healer” instead of a conventional doctor.

Financial:

Rebalance your checkbook; watch out for debit card expenses that you didn’t write down….as you could end up with an overdraft! Watch out for schemes, for “get rich quick”, for con artist, for bad investments or bad financial advisors, crooks, don’t neglect to recount your change when the cashier hands it out to you! Make sure what you are about to buy is really a good deal. Watch out for junk made to look good with a very appealing price, it will not even be worth the price you paid. Don’t go for impulse buy, don’t fall into the temptation of tempering with good ethics to have what your wallet can’t afford, troubles that will result are not worth binding the law…Don’t cheat the IRS, you’ll be audited and they’ll find you out….don’t fall into greediness, don’t crush anyone to get more money, etc…

Love:

Watch out for articulated person, who are trying to hypnotize you with empty words, there is something wrong with the relationship you are in, your mate is lying to you, that person seems so charming but has only evil intentions, wants to take advantage of you, is playing with your feeling, abusing your love, treachery, adultery, manipulation, not there for who you are but for what you can give, say “I love you”, but stab you in the back each time the occasion rises, slanders you. False friend, deceitful relative, wicked person around you is about to cause you pain, etc….

Career:

Watch out for so called dream like job! You might get more than you bargain for, you are asked to compromise your ethics for the company you work for, or who is about to hire you. You are threatened to be fired unless you go along with a business scheme. You are asked to lie to customers, or other employees, or to forge, or use “off balance scales”, to cheat about the profit of the business you work for. Someone at work is slandering you, is ready to walk over you to get your position, is lying to get you fired, sexual harassment, you are underpaid for all that is demanded from you, etc…

Spiritual:

Watch out for cult leaders or recruiters, for spiritual crooks, “the robe doesn’t make the monk”, review what you believe, investigate who is your teacher, look for credentials before you drink the words of a so called spiritual leader, don’t be gullible, don’t believe or follow any spiritual belief or practices before checking on them, make sure it resonates with your spirit, spiritual teaching turning the wrong into right, the bad into good, look for the truth deep inside, listen to the voice of your conscience, stick to what you know deep inside is righteous, etc…

Timing:

I will say quickly, like a snake bite. Often times, you don’t have the time to react when a snake strikes! Suddenly comes to mind….If using the number on the card maybe 7 days? If using the zodiac sign on the card…October/November???

So that was my interpretation! Now, it's time to check what you found out ;)

[Empath111]

THE SNAKE
mystical

I am guessing the most negative card of all in the deck. Deceit, lies, trickery and caution. Even the "sun" in the picture isn't bright. He is holding onto that egg - looks like it might be the spawn of something evil emerging. LOL possessiveness. Actually, since the snake is holding an egg...likely a female?? Maybe going back to Adam and Eve, where the snake represents the devil and Eve is the tempter? Seems like he/she is alone on an island - the crown- making himself King - it doesn't feel to me that anyone "crowned" him- he is giving himself the title of reigning.


SNAKE: "To see a snake or be bitten by one in your dream signifies hidden fears and worries that are threatening you. Your dream may be alerting you to something in your waking life that you are not aware of or that has not yet surfaced. Alternatively, the snake may be seen as phallic and thus symbolize temptation, dangerous and forbidden sexuality."
"Consequently, snakes span the symbolic bridge between lunar and solar associations as well as aspects between water and fire." - This could be why the sun is on one side, the moon on the other. (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/snake-symbolic-meaning.html)
The snake is a symbol of satan too.


CROWN:-The fact that the snake is wearing a crown reminds me of satan - the ruler of evil. I feel like the snake crowned him/herself. Power.

SUN/MOON:I think this represents the above quote - that the snake spans the bridge between lunar and solar associations. I think this might have to do with deceit. Showing one side (positive) but truly having a different quality or agenda (negative). ? "karmic balance" - walking the line between good an evil? Duality.


ISLAND: I think the fact that the snake is on an island further shows how powerful he/she feels they are. "It only takes one bad seed" comes to mind. Just one cane spread negativity- you do not need many. The snake feels so powerful that he/she feels they can do this on their own- crowned the king (self-proclaimed that is).

EGG In this case: Possessiveness. Protection over something that can be passed on as bad. This is how the negativity will be passed on - through its own.

So I don't plagiarize: ;)
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/s3.htm

General meaning; Deceit, lies, trickery, caution. Possessiveness. Can be sexual in nature. Sinning and temptations. ? female. I'm wondering if the snake shedding its skin has any meaning here - renewal- the only positive think i can think of. Or it could mean disguise- and fall under trickery. False fronts. Seducer - seems so attractive on the outside (looks/personality- whatever) but on the inside not so- ulterior motives. be careful. Can mean protective. So there is a duality to this card also - with the protective part.
"Two-faced".

Sense of card: gloom and doom - solar plexus - listen to your gut comes to mind- don't get seduced - follow your own feelings.

Numerology/Astrology: 7 - Loners. Scorpio sign (stinging?)

Finances: Deceitful ways of gaining money. stealing. embezzlement. Not reporting all to taxes. Or having to do with sexual ways to gain money- prostitution etc.

Career: Why is a lawyer coming to mind? LOL I have nothing against lawyers - but i just watched that movie "the Devil's Advocate". Defending someone you know is guilty. Illegal: Mafia, hitmen. Sexual: prostitution, strip club.

Love: seduction. Cheating. Lies - trying to get someone for sex and not love.

Health: Someone faking an illness: For example the malingerer trying to get a windfall from an injury.

Spiritually: Someone walking the line - trying to figure out which route to taker. Between right and wrong. Duality- deceiving oneself. Feeling you are doing the right thing when you know deep down you aren't Judging others. Hypocrisy. Be aware of "false Gods". caution.

Timing: November for Scorpio. 7th month- July. Something quick - like 7 days.

[celticnoodle]

6- The Clouds

Energy of the card:

I felt a wave of uneasiness, heaviness in my head, and then it was brushed away.

Symbolism


Clouds:

Clouds are linked with the divine, many divine beings come on a cloud! Kuan Yin/BM is often represented on a cloud, etc…therefore, clouds are messengers of the Spiritual realm, and the cloud that carries the dragon on this card makes me think that it is to tell us to “not worry”, everything is under control, don’t panic! Because these problems were set up for our greater good, for our spiritual growth, and we should embrace them as an opportunity to better ourself, to increase our knowledge! Turn what looks like “stumbling blocks” into “stepping stones”! Clouds speak to us just like our dreams if you pay attention and look up just like the monkey and parrot do! Clouds represents also our thought life, can be dark (with negative thoughts that are destructive instead of productive), can blur our thinking, so we are invited to pierce through them instead of relying on our physical distorted sight…If we are experiencing a “cloudy” situation we should seek insights and find out what it is all about (good time to use our oracle;)), the expression “having our head in the clouds”, tells us that one is a dreamer. And finally, I’ll say that clouds also represent “revelation” and with the dragon on this one, it is like suddenly, as a gift, you find out the answers!

OMG! I don't think I even mentioned the connection of clouds with the BM. I knew that. but, didn't put it, did I? Great LZ! I love how you gave all this information on the symbolism of the cloud. good job! :thumbsup:


Chinese Dragon:

Here, it is important to note that it is a “Chinese” dragon as they are quite different for the western dragons. Their symbolism is actually very positive. It speaks of happiness, of good luck, magic, hope, of wishes that come true, things will turn out for the better, prosperity, power to overcome problems until success, balance, protection against evil. Speaks also of adaption, transformation, which allows to cope with the problems we encounter; we see them as challenges and not as problems and make the best out of those situations.
The Chinese dragon rules the 5th sign of the Chinese zodiac, the symbol of the rising sun! (a dark cloud might be hovering over you, but the sun will soon take its place!). Seen also as divine, it is represented with the clouds. On this picture he blows out the dark cloud which for me tells us that any problem, set back, difficulties in our lives are controlled and are beneficial, they are there as lesson to help us grow while we go on with our journey; (they are created by a “good divine dragon”).

Yes, I love the Chinese dragon symbolism. It takes me back to when I was a kid and my family went with some friends to NYC. We went to China Town there, not realizing there was a huge festival that day. It turned out to be great fun, plus! I can still remember the dragon coming down the street and dancing and such--it was so beautiful and colorful. the whole parade was wonderful and fun. It is considered a good luck symbol, as we all learned that day. :)



Monkey:

The monkey symbol was also well chosen for the Clouds. He invites us to expect the unexpected, the forecast suddenly changes, and clouds are darkening our life. The monkey have the ability to keep their balance while swinging from branch to branch at diverse heights…this tells us to adapt ourselves with our situation and found balance to go through it. They are playful and do tricks that can fool people…even if they can imitate human beings they are still monkeys, so here again we have the aspect of appearance not being really true to reality. He can warn us not to get tricked by appearances. The monkeys are bold and confident and do not hesitate to “bite”, to attack if need be, his message for this card is “don’t worry about the clouds, take action! On the picture he and the parrot look up at the sky and what they see do not concern them, they look quite relaxed.

Parrot:

Symbol of illusion, the parrot can fool anyone very easily if one only hears what is said one can believe that a human has just spoken when in truth it was a parrot. Thus, appearances can be deceiving, also the parrot seems to be able to “speak” but it truly only can repeat what he hears. That links again to the message of the Clouds, telling us that the difficulties are not so bad, we should not get ourselves all worked up about them. In Feng Shui the parrot brings good news and attracts positive energy while repelling negative energy.

it really amazes me how the artist and creator of this deck selected all these symbols for us to give a deeper meaning to the cards message. I didn't know the Feng Shui piece of the parrot. interesting!



The beach:

Water, the ocean…represent diverse emotions, feelings, the fluctuation of both, the ups and downs. Also things always in movement and changes, while having also an effect of purification, life and its cycles the moon does control the tides, this give the idea that things don’t remain the same, if one’s sky is darkened by black clouds it is just temporary and it will pass.

Neptune Symbol: (Right upper corner)

This symbol of course is not only representing the planet but also the “god of the waters” also known as Poseidon. This matches well with the representation of the beach on the card. Neptune’s fate (being swallowed by his father Saturn and being trapped inside of him) indicates a set back before he became the ruler of the waters; which goes along with the message of this card “delay, some difficulties, problems, but it is just temporary”. The ups and downs of feelings, emotions, are also seen in Neptune who is just as the symbol of water. Imagination, dreams, intuition, insights as well as illusions are part of Neptune who rules the zodiac sign of the Pisces. This quite links with the clouds as one can “scry” the clouds, as they form symbols to the intuitive and imaginative mind. Also, the dark cloud can give the wrong impression at first; both clouds can mud our perception about a situation. Neptune also rule the Tarot card “The Hanged Man” and this card speaks about “delays” besides others things, just like the Clouds suggest.OOH! learned something else about Neptune then. I had no idea it was ruler to the Hanged Man in tarot.
*making notes in tarot book too now!*


General meaning:

“The clouds” for me is not a plain positive card like the Clover, the house, but it is not a “negative” card either. It shows a mix of problem (dark cloud) and solution (the white one). I would read the combination according to which cloud touches which card. I will say that if the dark cloud touches a negative card it is a message that things are quite troublesome but as it is still a cloud, in due time it will pass. If it is the white cloud that touches a negative card I will say that we are encourage to keep a positive mind, reach up for answers and ways, and help to overcome the omen of that negative card. With a positive card by the dark cloud, IMO it would mean watch out trouble is heading your way, and with a positive card touching the white cloud would mean all will turn out for the best.
The clouds bring us a sign of worries, troubles, as well as insights and a change for the best. They speak of the ups and downs of our life, of the changes, and cycles, of the lessons we are supposed to learn and grow through them, of not being tricked by appearances and of keeping a positive attitude no matter what. Also, of seeking answers, controlling our emotions, accepting changes; of being patient when a cloud of delay is upon us, and look up toward days of good fortune.

Health:

In general, it is temporary trouble and nothing major. Depending of surrounding cards we are caught into an illness or getting out of it. Tells us also that we are worried, troubled and need to regain some confidence as well as control our emotions. It is not so bad as it looks.

Financial:

Some momentarily financial set back, little problems, a checkbook not well balanced, few bills that are to be paid and we don’t have quite the money for it, and might have to charge them on a credit card. Come down from your cloud and look into your financial situation, to clarify everything, time to face these little problems. Feeling of insecurity regarding our finances but on the other hand the white cloud with the dragon says that things will get better, just wait and see.

Love:

Misunderstanding, little conflict with loved ones, a relationship is not really clear don’t really know what to think…Again nothing major and it will pass. Look for insights and better days that are to come

Career:

Again nothing major but little annoyance at work or with one’s business. Things are not smooth, and some misunderstandings cloud our relationships with colleague/boss/customers. Little difficulties to overcome, set back we don’t get exactly what we were aiming for, some changes at work bother us. Can represent career where people do a lot of thinking, like analyst or psychiatrics.

Spiritual:

Time to search for answers, to go deeper, pierce the clouds, and get revelation, insight, an epiphany, meditation. By the dark cloud, our spiritual path is confusing, we are wondering about many things, not sure what to believe.

Timing:

Not long, things changing pretty fast, maybe just from a cycle to another. If using the #6 of the card I will tend toward 6 days or weeks.

great thoughts here! thank you, LZ

[celticnoodle]

THE CLOUDS
mystical

It looks angry, confused, contradictory. Mixed up emotions. Stress.


CLOUDS: clearing confusion. Secrets, burdens epiphany, revelations, gatherings, mystery, potential.
http://www.tarotteachings.com/cloud-meaning-in-tarot.html

SMOKE:-"To see smoke in your dream indicates some sort of trouble that is entering your life. You are suffering from confusion and anxiety. In particular, if the smoke is black, then it means that you are not seeing some situation or problem clearly." very good point there!



DRAGON:"To see a dragon in your dream represents your strong will and fiery personality. You tend to get carried away by your passion, which may lead you into trouble. You need to exercise some self-control.very good point on the dragon! :thumbsup:


In the eastern cultures, dragons are seen as spiritual creatures symbolizing good luck and fortune.
To dream that you are a dragon and breathing fire suggests that you are using your anger to get your own way." Dragon breathing fire=anger. Uncontrolled emotions is what I sense.

CARDINAL: The bird is clearly angry- spiteful/fighting with the dragon. The dragon's spitting out fire (dark smoke) at the bird. The monkey seems calm and somewhat oblivious. "To see a cardinal in your dream represents vitality and happiness. It also may mean being in first place or your position at the front.":P I thought he looked rather pleasant! :laugh:



MONKEY: "To see a monkey in your dream symbolizes deceit, insight and intuition. Those around you are working to advance their own interest. Alternatively, monkeys indicate an immature attitude, a playful nature and the mischievous side of your personality." Seeing this monkey holding a ball of yarn is seems like he is playful, but so contradictory to the angry bird and fighting dragon.

YARN "To see yarn in your dream symbolizes your connection and creativity. Alternatively, yarn in your dream means that you are stuck in a rut. You are going about your daily life in the same old tired pattern. If the yarn is tangled and knotted, then it implies that you are experiencing some emotional distress or confusion in a situation."and here, I thought it was fruit the monkey held. hmmmm...lol, guess I need these eyes examined FAST. :P



BEACH/WATER/OCEAN:"To see the beach in your dream symbolizes the meeting between your two states of mind. The sand is symbolic of the rational and mental processes while the water signifies the irrational, unsteady, and emotional aspects of yourself. It is a place of transition between the physical/material and the spiritual." Another emotional card- confusion/irrationality/mental unsteadiness.

So I don't plagiarize: ;)
Most came from this site. i don't have enough symbolism knowledge - so I am finding looking things up very helpful. Then I try to throw in an intuitive touch or something I might see.
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/s3.htm

General meaning; It looks angry, confused, contradictory. The bird and the dragon seem to be going at it. The white fluffy clouds versus black smoke. The harshness of the dragon and the peacefulness of the serene beach. Much of the findings above lead to states of confusion, difficulty with emotions or mental state. The contradictions may be considered feeling pulled into different directions. Fluctuations. Mental illness difficulties.

Sense of card: When I put my hand over it I sense a swirly feeling in my head that makes me feel ungrounded/flighty.interesting!



Numerology/Astrology: 6 - harmonious, flaws upsets (6). image on top right looks like a devil's pitchfork to me. ? OK, googling and researching: trident. ? As Neptune moves in Pisces? Symbol of Neptune. God of the sea, ruler of pisces. Dreams, psychic receptivity, illusions and confusion.

Finances: Fluctuations. Contradictions (maybe like someone who went bankrupt but still wears nice suits and appears well-off outwardly). Perhaps getting money from deceiving ways - ie - cheating on taxes.

Career: Stumped. Someone unsure of "what they want to be when they grow up". Perhaps due to the feelings of mental imbalance..psychiatrists/psychologists. But not sure if that fits. I feel it is a bumpy career - switching of jobs..trying to find one that fits...but really aimless. ooh yes. I can see this too. I esp. like the switching of jobs--as I can see that. Perhaps not being happy in the current job and trying to figure out what/where to change, or looking for the new job and not yet having any leads perhaps?



Love: Not the best love card. Confusion/illusions. Emotionally charged and irrational. Not using your head- only heart..and the end results are not in your favor.

Health: mental illness, emotional disturbances. Contradictions (maybe like something like bulimia- you eat and then you do what you have to do to be thin). or a diabetic taking extra insulin in order to eat what he/she wants. Just trying to think of examples.I didn't even think of this. good one!


Spiritually: I see the dragon has some quite important spiritual meanings - especially in the Chines zodiac. However, he is breathing fire/black smoke. More contradictions. So i may surmise that this is fluctuating states of spirituality-in a confused state- not sure which way to turn. For example I have seen people who were quite spiritual or religious lose their Faith after a tragedy in their lives (death of a loved one for example) and not sure which way to turn. Or perhaps someone who was raised in one religion and is seeking to find one that fits their needs more..but confused on which way to go.

ah! see, our decks are slightly different, which would account for your angry looking bird and my pleasant looking one. :P My dragon is not breathing fire/black smoke. and, perhaps your monkey may be holding some yarn but mine IS holding fruit? :P who knows? lol.


Timing: Fluctuations of time. difficulty pinning it down. If anything- we'll go for 6. I feel 6 weeks. [/QUOTE]
yes.

some great insights here too, Empath. Tarotlyn gave me the idea to print each of our thoughts out, which I plan to do, one of these days. some good ideas here!

[celticnoodle]

I read through your "clouds" posts after I did mine. Quite a few differences, but I love to see the different views. i wanted to say I thought it was very cool about the positioning of the cards to the left or right- the card to the left more negative - and to the right more positive.
OH, and PS: I need glasses - I thought it was a cardinal instead of a parrot - and a ball of yarn instead of a ball! LOL
ROFLMAO. I don't know if you need glasses or if I do! I couldn't tell what kind of bird it was, so left that open. just went w/the color and a basic knowledge of 'bird'. :laugh: and I didn't know what the monkey was holding either. I also like the different views. so, three different takes so far and three different ideas on that bird and just what the monkey is holding. I'm off to see what Tarotlyn thinks...........:P

[celticnoodle]

:heart::) This is my version of the Clouds and the Snake cards...
(no i didn't read any of your previous posts in here...
so this will probably be very different than all of yours)
Plus i have not received my my Mystical cards yet.
(...they are in the mail! :thumbsup: )

My Study Through May 25th, 2012 = 6. Clouds and 7. Snake

6. Clouds:
I see this card two ways:
1.) The 'darker' side of the Clouds = Obstacles, Setbacks, Delays, Uncertainty, Confusion,
Worry, Doubts, Fear. Puts a damper on the situation or card to its right, clouds
your insight about the card to the right.

2.) The 'lighter' side of the clouds = Clarity, Brightness, Vision, Understanding, Things
working out. Being able to see cleary or understand the card to its right.

These meanings are basically 'off the top of my head'...not tarot...but my thoughts, so if
i get it wrong...i don't know...just remember that i am learning here and i plan to get
better at this eventually!well, I don't think there is any real right or wrong, Lyn. I feel the real meaning is totally up to the reader themselves. that is what actually makes for a great reader, what YOU see in each card. and, as you can tell from LZ, Empath and my thoughts so far, we all see a lot of similar things and then a lot of differences too. :)


*HEALTH:
Confusion and worry regarding health issues, especially affecting your lungs, caused by
smoking.
Could be a health setback. Or just getting a cold and feeling under the weather. Also could
be dust that brings on an asthma attack. Emphysema could also be a problem as well.
Clouds mostly have to do with lung problems or issues...maybe just 'congestion' from a cold.

BRIGHT side of the clouds: could indicate a clearing of that lung problem or congestion. ooh! good point on smoking! I never thought of that! Saying it now, I could see lung cancer, as a result of smoking for this card. very good point!


*FINANCES:
There is some worry or setback regaring your earnings/income. Maybe you are or will
be unsure of being able to pay your bills. Maybe there is confusion as to why a certain
amount was deducted from your paycheck. At any rate, it doesn't look that great for finances.

BRIGHT side of the clouds: Things are looking brighter for your finances. You have a clear view
of how to make money or get money. No problems with finances. You will have enough
money for your needs.

*LOVE:
A setback in a relationship. Worried about something regarding your partner. If you
don't have one, maybe you are worried that you will never have...or at any rate, you may
feel doubtful about finding love. Or...you are confused about love and not really certain how
you feel about it or another person.

Or...Love is a problem for you because you just don't understand it. Not a good relationship
or not good to start one.

BRIGHT side of the cloud: You have great clarity and understand of what love is and how
you feel about it or a person in your life. It is 'all go' for love! LOL

*CAREER OR BIZ:
A setback or some kind some problem at work or with your work at home. There may be
a challenge right now that you just can't figure out how to handle. Plus you are worried
about that challenge. It is uncertain just how you will be able to see your way through a
muddled situation that has presented itself on the job or a project that you are working on.

*SPIRITUALITY:
Setback, obstacle, challenge or even doubting your faith in whatever the next card is
(to the right). Not being Spiritual. Confused or not sure how you feel about being Spiritual.
Confused about or can't see if there really is a Creator of this world. Maybe you doubt
religion and are an atheist.

Bright side of cloud: Being able to see cleary your belief in a Creator or religion, or your Spirituality.
Having a bright Spirit.

*TIMING:
hmmmm ...Clouds as timing...
It is the '6th' card, so 6 hours because clouds move very fast and have fast energy.
Dark side: Things can go from bad to worse within 6 hours to 1 day!
Light side: Things clearing up very quickly and should be okay within 6 hrs and before the day is up!
YAY! bright skys again :)

...the 7. Snake card is next (Yikes...my experinces with 'the' snake so far!!!:bugeyed: :laugh:)...

some great insights on the cloud card, Lyn! onto snake! :)


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7. Snake:
(a Warning card) ...something very nasty!
Can be an evil, slithering, sneaky, enemy or rival that has or will try to back bite you or
harm you in some way. This person may use gile to charm you or lull you in before they hurt
or attack you. Of course then there is plain lying, jealousy, or betrayal They may even try
to sabotage something you are working on or are involved with.
Be on the lookout for them and don't trust them! Yes, I felt the same way about this snake. sort of like the 7 of swords card in tarot-something amiss that is not good.


OR: sometimes it just indicates a very quiet, but smart and mysterious person...watch out
for them too! LOL (Don't let someone sell you on the wrong thing!)ha! good point!!!



The snake can also be positive in the sense that through the awfulness of it, it has or will
bring you 'deep' lessons or trials that you need for your Soul.

*HEALTH:
Problems and/or complications with your digestive system (intestines). 'Your' (inner) plumbing is plugged up?
(Constipated? or other?) ...just a thought that came to me...LOL:P LOL! very good thoughts though!


*FINANCES:
Your income may be jepordized by an unscrupulous person...maybe your BF or mate, or
friend for that matter, (or even a stranger online) could find out your banking (debit card)
numbers and drain your account! yes, i do have a great imagination...LOL
Anyway, there will be problems concertining your money, rescources, or income in such a
way that it will be unpredictable. It could be that someone lies to you and ends up not
paying you what they said they would.

*LOVE:
Ah...a 'cheating' person!!! Sneaky, slithering around behind your back and partaking of
another's bliss...plain old cheating!!!
OR: Someone in a relationship with you could be very jealous of you but they might keep
this to themselves. They are not to be trusted (once you find out who they are, of course.)

*CAREER OR BIZ:
Jealousies and betrayal on the job or in a business. This could involve female co-workers or
group members. Be careful who you trust. Beguiling and manipulative person at work or in
your biz or on your project or in your group. can I ask why you thought female co-workers? I've worked for a lot of snakes--and the great majority of them were men! :mad: to the point that when I think of snake in an evil sense on the job, one of those men comes to mind! lol.


*SPIRITUALITY:
i know a lot of people think of the snake as a deeping of Spiriutaliy and normally it is,
as it may bring much needed (but hurtful) lessons along with it. The snake as a 'person'
in your readings is probably not that Spiritual if they are that low to try to sabatoge you and
harm you in some way. I would say that they have 'slithered' OFF of their Spiritual path! :bugeyed:good point!



*TIMING:
I find the snake to be very quick...darting sideways as fast as it can go...so like something
to watch out for (nasty something or someone) that happens in 7 hours? (Or even in mere minutes?)
It can or will disappeared QUICKLY back behind something :bugeyed:...So I think this snake
card is almost 'immediate'...it is either going on right now or will come about in the next say
7 days at the latest time.

:heart: Lyn
yes, very good point!

[tarotlyn]

well, I don't think there is any real right or wrong, Lyn. I feel the real meaning is totally up to the reader themselves. that is what actually makes for a great reader, what YOU see in each card. and, as you can tell from LZ, Empath and my thoughts so far, we all see a lot of similar things and then a lot of differences too. :)

ooh! good point on smoking! I never thought of that! Saying it now, I could see lung cancer, as a result of smoking for this card. very good point!

some great insights on the cloud card, Lyn! onto snake! :)

Yes, I felt the same way about this snake. sort of like the 7 of swords card in tarot-something amiss that is not good.

ha! good point!!!

:P LOL! very good thoughts though!

can I ask why you thought female co-workers? I've worked for a lot of snakes--and the great majority of them were men! :mad: to the point that when I think of snake in an evil sense on the job, one of those men comes to mind! lol.

good point!


yes, very good point!
:heart: Thanks CN for your feedback on my study :thumbsup: ...wasn't sure if we could
leave any or not here.

Yes, Clouds = lung cancer...good point yourself! Now i will always remember that because
you pointed that out.

Re: The Snake as a 'female' co-worker (or 'anyone' in your group or other association...not
just on a job)...female because the Snake card in the Lenormand represents as 'female'
since the deck's inception, i believe. However, i see no reason it is not also a male co-worker
or group member as well. i did also say to watch out for any 'person' that could be like the
snake. But 'female' is a known 'traditional' attribute for the Snake card.

ETA: I just got my Mystical Lenormand and doesn't the Snake card show the snake with an egg? (Female = eggs) LOL

BTW, i like your take, comparing the snake to the 7 of swords...which is really weird, because
last night i just finished creating the 7 of swords card for my new Chihuahua tarot deck...:laugh:
i should have related that too...glad you mentioned it! :)

i love how we are learning from each other...(i haven't read anyone else's study yet on the clouds and snake
because of time constraints lately...but i will as soon as i can)...
Thank you! :heart: CN
:heart: Lyn

[Empath111]

ROFLMAO. I don't know if you need glasses or if I do! I couldn't tell what kind of bird it was, so left that open. just went w/the color and a basic knowledge of 'bird'. :laugh: and I didn't know what the monkey was holding either. I also like the different views. so, three different takes so far and three different ideas on that bird and just what the monkey is holding. I'm off to see what Tarotlyn thinks...........:P

SO funny! My angry cardinal is actually likely a parrot with a normal beak. LOL I need a darned magnifying glass! Isn't the smoke coming from his mouth??? LOL It could be coming from his ear for all I know ;)
CN: thanks for the feedback! Learned so much from yours.
Tarotlynn: I wanted to welcome you to our little group! We're having so much fun. i loved your interpretations and learning from everyone.
Lady Zelda: Thankful you put this together for us- great idea.
:heart: Love, empath who needs glasses

[LadyZelda]

SO funny! My angry cardinal is actually likely a parrot with a normal beak. LOL I need a darned magnifying glass! Isn't the smoke coming from his mouth??? LOL It could be coming from his ear for all I know ;)
CN: thanks for the feedback! Learned so much from yours.
Tarotlynn: I wanted to welcome you to our little group! We're having so much fun. i loved your interpretations and learning from everyone.
Lady Zelda: Thankful you put this together for us- great idea.
:heart: Love, empath who needs glasses

Empath you don't need glasses:D But true, a good magnifying glass or scan of your cards would do the trick;) LOL!

Actually, if you look at the card on a PC you actually can see the crooked beak of the parrot, it is not a great detailed painting of a parrot but as it was not the main point the artist didn't need to put too much effort in it anyway. When I looked at my card, it just came to me that it was a parrot not because I could actually see the details, but because of the overall shape and size, the length of the tail....I have many cardinals around me and I love to observe them besides the other birds and mammals that I can see.... the shape of their body is just different, and the first thing that came to mind was a parrot..then, I checked by looking at my scan and miy impression was confirmed. The monkey actually holds an orange. ;)

[LadyZelda]

Thanks for your comments and insights! I enjoy your participation! :) Didn't get a chance to write anything....I'm having a hard time to keep up, got too many things going on and the other Forums I support require also my time, don't know anymore how to stretch myself...


Anyhow here are our next 2 cards study starting today till Friday 1st of June:

The Coffin and the Bouquet....

[Sakura]

Hi everyone :),
i'm new, and i've just been registered to this circle. i look foreward to study with you all! i just got my first lenormand (the mystical) a few days ago, so i'm a complete beginner;)
i'll try to do my best this upcoming round:P.

[Empath111]

Empath you don't need glasses:D But true, a good magnifying glass or scan of your cards would do the trick;) LOL!

Actually, if you look at the card on a PC you actually can see the crooked beak of the parrot, it is not a great detailed painting of a parrot but as it was not the main point the artist didn't need to put too much effort in it anyway. When I looked at my card, it just came to me that it was a parrot not because I could actually see the details, but because of the overall shape and size, the length of the tail....I have many cardinals around me and I love to observe them besides the other birds and mammals that I can see.... the shape of their body is just different, and the first thing that came to mind was a parrot..then, I checked by looking at my scan and miy impression was confirmed. The monkey actually holds an orange. ;)

Well, I DO need to get my butt out for glasses for distance. Crazy. But I think a magnifying glass would help with my study! LOL Cardinal and ball of yarn;)

[Empath111]

Hi everyone :),
i'm new, and i've just been registered to this circle. i look foreward to study with you all! i just got my first lenormand (the mystical) a few days ago, so i'm a complete beginner;)
i'll try to do my best this upcoming round:P.

Welcome, welcome! I believe I bet you on your opening post?
Good to see you here. I am an absolute newbie to Lenormand too..have had my Mystical deck maybe 2-3 months- but just learning about it now.

Glad you'll be joining us!

[Sakura]

Welcome, welcome! I believe I bet you on your opening post?
Good to see you here. I am an absolute newbie to Lenormand too..have had my Mystical deck maybe 2-3 months- but just learning about it now.

Glad you'll be joining us!

thanks Empath:)!!!! this circle really does look great, i can't wait to get started. i have a tarot that i'm practicing as well on, and a regular oracle....this is the first time i do anything with lenormand. i always was curious about it though, and i really liked the art of the mystical! so i thought, why not?:thumbsup:
and yea, you did bet that i'd like it here!:laugh:

[Empath111]

thanks Empath:)!!!! this circle really does look great, i can't wait to get started. i have a tarot that i'm practicing as well on, and a regular oracle....this is the first time i do anything with lenormand. i always was curious about it though, and i really liked the art of the mystical! so i thought, why not?:thumbsup:
and yea, you did bet that i'd like it here!:laugh:

LOL- I meant "met" haha - but I was hoping you would participate- I remember that! :) So yeah..here you are! :heart:

[LadyZelda]

Another Mystical Lenormand fan:)
Make yourself at home Sakura:D and grab yourself a cookie while studying!;)

[celticnoodle]

:heart: Thanks CN for your feedback on my study :thumbsup: ...wasn't sure if we could
leave any or not here.sure! it is part of the learning anyway.



Yes, Clouds = lung cancer...good point yourself! Now i will always remember that because
you pointed that out.

Re: The Snake as a 'female' co-worker (or 'anyone' in your group or other association...not
just on a job)...female because the Snake card in the Lenormand represents as 'female'
since the deck's inception, i believe. However, i see no reason it is not also a male co-worker
or group member as well. i did also say to watch out for any 'person' that could be like the
snake. But 'female' is a known 'traditional' attribute for the Snake card.ah! okay. Well, to be honest, I also know a lot of female 'snakes'. :P



ETA: I just got my Mystical Lenormand and doesn't the Snake card show the snake with an egg? (Female = eggs) LOLyes, like my deck--it must be the same deck.



BTW, i like your take, comparing the snake to the 7 of swords...which is really weird, because
last night i just finished creating the 7 of swords card for my new Chihuahua tarot deck...:laugh:
i should have related that too...glad you mentioned it! :)

i love how we are learning from each other...(i haven't read anyone else's study yet on the clouds and snake
because of time constraints lately...but i will as soon as i can)...
Thank you! :heart: CN
:heart: Lynwell, I got side tracked after reading through yours and only now am getting some time to get back to it. I love to read through everyones ideas, as it usually hits me like an "AHA!" moment and I realize that I had a mental block regarding that--or just plain didn't think of it. :laugh: so now, onto finishing LZ and Empath and then taking a look at the new cards, if time permits..........:D

[celticnoodle]

Empath you don't need glasses:D But true, a good magnifying glass or scan of your cards would do the trick;) LOL!Well, I know I DO!!!! :P I am well over do for an eye exam and I know when I finally get in there, the eye doctor is going to scold me. My eyes are so bad, I'm suppose to go every year now, :rolleyes: and each time I go, my prescription gets just a little bit stronger. :(

The monkey actually holds an orange. ;)WOO HOO!!! At least I got THAT part right! :P and to be 'careful', I just said 'bird'. :P

Hi everyone :),
i'm new, and i've just been registered to this circle. i look foreward to study with you all! i just got my first lenormand (the mystical) a few days ago, so i'm a complete beginner;)
i'll try to do my best this upcoming round:P.welcome Sakura! this thread is very friendly and fun. low key, no stress and you are sure to learn a lot here. I'm just starting to tackle learning the Lenormand, though I have quite a few different Lenormand decks. I am also using the Mystical Lenormand for this thread.

Well, I DO need to get my butt out for glasses for distance. Crazy. But I think a magnifying glass would help with my study! LOL Cardinal and ball of yarn;)
You and me both! I do have a magnifying glass, as I keep one in our desk--so I'll have to bring that out too. Didn't even think of that, good idea, LZ! :D

[celticnoodle]

Not many symbols but so much to say about that Snake! So here it is:

7 - The Snake

Energy of the card:
I felt a very strong energy piercing me like knives, an heavy feeling in my throat chakra (same I feel when someone is trying to cheat me, to lie to me or about me), I felt like if I was chocking, like if I could not breathe easily, like when I am overstressed, I felt also an heaviness in my chest, with accelerated heart beats. I don’t know about you Empath, but this card felt not good at all and greatly disturbed me.:eek: wow!



Symbolism

A rocky island:

This island looks like a little fortified kingdom (especially with the snake wearing a crown), it is made out of cliffs visibly all around even if we don’t see it all, and you expect this to be true. There is really no easy access to this island, no beach, to land nicely…the only thing I thought of is that you better stay away from it, because the only thing that must happen in its vicinity would be to be shipwreck against the cliff and not have any way to reach dry land! Without climbing equipment and skills there is nothing you can do but drown. Also, the currents seem strong around the island which reinforces the idea of being drawn to a crash. What I don’t like is the treachery of this island, from afar if you don’t pay attention to the cliff or if you think that “there must be a beach on the other side…” it could be attractive with that green grass on the top…it looks like the “icing on a cake” makes it look good and appealing but it is not the assurance that the cake is actually as delicious as it looks! Deceiving appearances is what comes to my mind.
very good thought about the 'fortified kingdom'! After reading this, I can attribute this card to describe a woman I know, who is snake like. You do NOT want to cross her and you also do not want to trust her. sad to say. but, I've also noticed that 9x out of 10, she is most lethal on her 'own' ground and therefore rarely will venture out to others homes. I came to this conclusion awhile back, when she caused some major trouble, and reading your thoughts of the fortified kingdom, it hit me again, 'OMG, its JUST LIKE 'C'!" :P Now, I think when I do see this card, I won't be able to help but to see her.


The ocean:

Water again in that card and troubled waters with probably lots of currents…makes me think of the feeling I had when sensing the energy of this card, disturbed emotions, stress, anxieties, worries…

Sun and Moon:

They are placed on each side of the snake and it makes me think that they represent “night and day” Like this snake is at it “day in day out” it won’t give you a rest. It will work at its schemes diligently and without ceasing until it accomplishes what it has in mind. Also that it doesn’t matter to it how long it would take, a full cycle, more cycles, doesn’t matter it will get you by wearing you down. OMG, again, like the "C" I know. And I think it says that it won’t let you breathe (like the feeling I had), it will harass you night and day, until you are so tired that you would fall in the trap. It disturbs you all day long and you can’t even recuperate, neither gather your strength at night to be able to brace another blow during the day. It makes me think also about another part of this snake’s strategy, it will succeed to fool you in “broad daylight” like these people who succeed to lie to you with a big smile, looking at you straight in the eyes, they sounds so truthful and trustworthy (sun/day)and are so skilled at it that most people don’t have a clue about it unless they hear the warning of their spirit….and this snake will also use hidden ways (moon/night), backstabbing you, plotting carefully without you noticing anything, keeping you in the “dark”. wow!



The Snake with his crown and golden egg:

So here is the “villain”! It is not a specie that I recognize but I believe this is not important; for sure it is a poisonous snake because of the shape the artist has given to its head. Thus, that snake as nothing but evil intentions and is ready to put them in actions! Its thought life is as poisonous as its words. Look how it stands in the position to stab you….It wears a crown and I believe it feels confident and unchallengeable ruler of its little kingdom. It can scheme as much as it wants; it feels secure on its island no one is going to succeed to get it to make it pay for its crimes! It has no ethics, no shame and not one ounce of remorse, guilt, or troubled conscience. “The end justifies the means” that must be its motto! It is crafty, a con artist; it speaks with its “forked tongue”! It has words that cut life knives… Badmouthing, slandering, being such a skilled liar that its words sound like truth! It has the power to “hypnotize” you, to confuse you, seduce you, to trick you ever more so. It will try to influence you to be as bad as it is, suggesting the wrong kind of things, making the bad look good and the good look bad, to spoil your good habits, destroy any righteous value in your life, its advices will get you in trouble…. If you cross it, its vengeance will be dreadful.
It won’t back up from anything, won’t be bothered to stoop down low, if that can help it reach its goal. It will stab you in the back, walk over you if need be…It holds its golden egg close against its body, it has made its fortune out of crushing others under, of deceiving, backstabbing, others, etc…Also, it keeps its big golden well visible like if it wants to tempt you with it, like if it is a prop for a trap and once you come closer to try to get it, it strikes at you!
I’m not sure if we can view the positive side of this symbol within this card. So the “healing” symbolism found as an emblem for pharmacist, for medicine, and being shown in the Bible, when God tells Moses to make a bronze snake and that anyone who would look up to it would be healed. The creativity and fertility, the transformation, death and rebirth meaning (like in the Tarot), flexibility (there are a lot of snakes where I live and many time they succeed to survive because of the flexibility of their body, people would run over them and they would be able to remain alive! They can squeeze themselves in tiny space). The fact that snakes are useful to keep the rodent population under control; its spiritual and divine connotation like the principal of the feminine spiritual energy, and the symbol of the Goddess…I guess they would not apply here or maybe just in some degrees if surrounded by positive cards???

Zodiac sign: Scorpio (Right upper corner)

This will more apply to a positive side of the snake than the negative…so I don’t know maybe it is a reminder again by the artist that nothing is ever black or white, that even “negative cards” are not 100% negative….you can turn things around and can find a positive side in any situation; like just the fact that the Oracle has just opened your eyes and warned you about that “snake” so you can take action and it won’t bit you or if it does it won’t be as bad you’ll be able to work it out…
Scorpio denotes sensitivity, self-reliance, ability to adapt oneself, strong will power and setting up of goals…Tarot wise, it is linked to the Death card….

General meaning:

For me the keyword here is: Watch out! agreed!



So be on your guard, hold on to what you know is true and right, be careful who you confide with, watch your back, weight your words (they could be turned against you), open your eyes, look pass the “golden” appearance…”not everything that shines is gold”, “if it is too good to be true, it’s because it is!”, “an apple candy looks good even when it has maggots in its core!”, hypocrisy, “2 face people”, dishonesty, do some soul searching what is wrong in your life, a “rocky” path, troubles, difficulties, deceptions, worries, heartaches, manipulations are ahead of you! Watch out where you are stepping, there are quicksand around you! You are on dangerous ground, remain on the alert…Malevolent person that is in your acquaintances or you’re about to meet.
I see this card as an alarm resounding, as a big red light flashing! It’s time to take cover, to look behind the veil, to brace yourself, put on the armor, pull out your sword, sleep with one eye open! yes, when I think of the people I know who I'd call snakes--all that you have picked up on here & shared are 100% right on!



Health:

Watch out when picking out a restaurant, watch out that the food you plan to eat isn’t spoiled, food poisoning threat, virus threat, don’t expose yourself to disease, make sure what you touch is sanitary. You are at risk to deal with one of those tricky illnesses, which symptoms are deceiving, leading everyone on a wild goose chase, looks like a certain disease while being another. Get a second diagnostic, watch out which doctor you pick as he might be out to reap you off by making a mountain out of a molehill! Time to do a checkup, you might feel perfectly fine but there is something amiss inside of you, there is an inner problem that is not yet showing up but when it does it will be too late to deal with it the easy way…take care of it while it is in the “embryo” state. Sick holistic solution to your illness, search for “divine” healing…time to seek a “healer” instead of a conventional doctor.good points!


Financial:

Rebalance your checkbook; watch out for debit card expenses that you didn’t write down….as you could end up with an overdraft! Watch out for schemes, for “get rich quick”, for con artist, for bad investments or bad financial advisors, crooks, don’t neglect to recount your change when the cashier hands it out to you! Make sure what you are about to buy is really a good deal. Watch out for junk made to look good with a very appealing price, it will not even be worth the price you paid. Don’t go for impulse buy, don’t fall into the temptation of tempering with good ethics to have what your wallet can’t afford, troubles that will result are not worth binding the law…Don’t cheat the IRS, you’ll be audited and they’ll find you out….don’t fall into greediness, don’t crush anyone to get more money, etc…

Love:

Watch out for articulated person, who are trying to hypnotize you with empty words, there is something wrong with the relationship you are in, your mate is lying to you, that person seems so charming but has only evil intentions, wants to take advantage of you, is playing with your feeling, abusing your love, treachery, adultery, manipulation, not there for who you are but for what you can give, say “I love you”, but stab you in the back each time the occasion rises, slanders you. False friend, deceitful relative, wicked person around you is about to cause you pain, etc….

Career:

Watch out for so called dream like job! You might get more than you bargain for, you are asked to compromise your ethics for the company you work for, or who is about to hire you. You are threatened to be fired unless you go along with a business scheme. You are asked to lie to customers, or other employees, or to forge, or use “off balance scales”, to cheat about the profit of the business you work for. Someone at work is slandering you, is ready to walk over you to get your position, is lying to get you fired, sexual harassment, you are underpaid for all that is demanded from you, etc…

Spiritual:

Watch out for cult leaders or recruiters, for spiritual crooks, “the robe doesn’t make the monk”, review what you believe, investigate who is your teacher, look for credentials before you drink the words of a so called spiritual leader, don’t be gullible, don’t believe or follow any spiritual belief or practices before checking on them, make sure it resonates with your spirit, spiritual teaching turning the wrong into right, the bad into good, look for the truth deep inside, listen to the voice of your conscience, stick to what you know deep inside is righteous, etc…oooh! very good points here!!!



Timing:

I will say quickly, like a snake bite. Often times, you don’t have the time to react when a snake strikes! Suddenly comes to mind….If using the number on the card maybe 7 days? If using the zodiac sign on the card…October/November???

So that was my interpretation! Now, it's time to check what you found out ;)very good points, LZ.

[celticnoodle]

THE SNAKE
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I am guessing the most negative card of all in the deck. Deceit, lies, trickery and caution. Even the "sun" in the picture isn't bright. He is holding onto that egg - looks like it might be the spawn of something evil emerging. LOL possessiveness. Actually, since the snake is holding an egg...likely a female?? Maybe going back to Adam and Eve, where the snake represents the devil and Eve is the tempter? Seems like he/she is alone on an island - the crown- making himself King - it doesn't feel to me that anyone "crowned" him- he is giving himself the title of reigning. yes, I'd hate to think of a worse card being in the deck that we just have not gotten to yet! :P


SNAKE: "To see a snake or be bitten by one in your dream signifies hidden fears and worries that are threatening you. Your dream may be alerting you to something in your waking life that you are not aware of or that has not yet surfaced. Alternatively, the snake may be seen as phallic and thus symbolize temptation, dangerous and forbidden sexuality."
"Consequently, snakes span the symbolic bridge between lunar and solar associations as well as aspects between water and fire." - This could be why the sun is on one side, the moon on the other. (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/snake-symbolic-meaning.html)
The snake is a symbol of satan too.


CROWN:-The fact that the snake is wearing a crown reminds me of satan - the ruler of evil. I feel like the snake crowned him/herself. Power. yes, crowning themselves so to feel powerful and give the idea to others that they ARE powerful. sort of hiding behind this crown because really, they are just jellyfish usually.



SUN/MOON:I think this represents the above quote - that the snake spans the bridge between lunar and solar associations. I think this might have to do with deceit. Showing one side (positive) but truly having a different quality or agenda (negative). ? "karmic balance" - walking the line between good an evil? Duality.


ISLAND: I think the fact that the snake is on an island further shows how powerful he/she feels they are. "It only takes one bad seed" comes to mind. Just one cane spread negativity- you do not need many. The snake feels so powerful that he/she feels they can do this on their own- crowned the king (self-proclaimed that is).

EGG In this case: Possessiveness. Protection over something that can be passed on as bad. This is how the negativity will be passed on - through its own. you know, here with the possessiveness, again, when I think of the people I see as 'snakes', they all were quite possessive of something. very good!


So I don't plagiarize: ;)
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/s3.htm

General meaning; Deceit, lies, trickery, caution. Possessiveness. Can be sexual in nature. Sinning and temptations. ? female. I'm wondering if the snake shedding its skin has any meaning here - renewal- the only positive think i can think of. Or it could mean disguise- and fall under trickery. False fronts. Seducer - seems so attractive on the outside (looks/personality- whatever) but on the inside not so- ulterior motives. be careful. Can mean protective. So there is a duality to this card also - with the protective part.
"Two-faced".yes, I can see this too. in fact, again, the people I term as snakes, while they can be quite nasty to some, to others they seem overly protective. In fact, as I see it, the snakes I know generally tend to 'pick' on one--and the others, perhaps out of fear of the snake or perhaps because they 'seem' so powerful will follow suit. what do you think? do you see where perhaps they can pick on one till the one succumbs? or leaves, which then just fuels the snake even more on their power trip?


Sense of card: gloom and doom - solar plexus - listen to your gut comes to mind- don't get seduced - follow your own feelings.

Numerology/Astrology: 7 - Loners. Scorpio sign (stinging?)yes, very good!



Finances: Deceitful ways of gaining money. stealing. embezzlement. Not reporting all to taxes. Or having to do with sexual ways to gain money- prostitution etc.

Career: Why is a lawyer coming to mind? LOL I have nothing against lawyers - but i just watched that movie "the Devil's Advocate". Defending someone you know is guilty. Illegal: Mafia, hitmen. Sexual: prostitution, strip club. :P yes, but generally the lawyer you want on YOUR side, eh? :laugh: mafia is good too!



Love: seduction. Cheating. Lies - trying to get someone for sex and not love. or perhaps money, using 'love' as the means??



Health: Someone faking an illness: For example the malingerer trying to get a windfall from an injury.

Spiritually: Someone walking the line - trying to figure out which route to taker. Between right and wrong. Duality- deceiving oneself. Feeling you are doing the right thing when you know deep down you aren't Judging others. Hypocrisy. Be aware of "false Gods". caution.

Timing: November for Scorpio. 7th month- July. Something quick - like 7 days.

great ideas!!!

[Empath111]

WOO HOO!!! At least I got THAT part right! :P and to be 'careful', I just said 'bird'. :P


LOL
SO true. I guess it could be worse...I could have said the monkey was giving "the bird". ;)

[LadyZelda]

First, thank you for all yours comments! It's always helpful to know what others think about your own study:) And thanks for your participation in our study!

Now, I'm gonna finally post my comments on your studies! Didn't even get to our 2 current cards....

So I'll start by CN:

Okay, this week is for the clouds and snake cards.

CLOUDS

So, looking at the cloud card, there is a dark black cloud on the left hand side of the card and a white puffy cloud on teh right, which seems to have a dragon inside of it. the black cloud on the left sort of looks like at the top a snake, I believe. Not sure if the creator meant for this to be, but to me, I can see the body and head of a snake at the top.

So, if I were to see this card show up in a reading, I'd say any card that was to the left of this card would mean some problems for the client. to the right of the cards, I'd see good things for the client--tying in with the cards that are laying to each of these sides.

Good approach!

Now, dragons are symbolic of good luck and protection. also a symbol of power and strength. So, perhaps, if and when it shows up in a reading, it should be read as overcoming a hardship.

There is also a small monkey holding a piece of fruit in his hand. Monkeys are symbolic of playfulness and fun. They are generally good natured animals with the intelligence of human children. They are much like children over all. The monkey is also very family oriented and exhibits a great show of caring to others.

The red bird on his head, I've no idea what type of bird it is, but all birds are said to have a connection to the heavens and the spirits. Being a red color, I'd also say this bird is symbolic of life and blood--perhaps family? it is a bold color, often depicting action and confidence. I recall when I was in HS, a teacher telling us when we go for a job interview, it is often advisable to wear red--as red is a powerful color indicating confidence and intelligence. I also recall buying a red suit, that seemed to be very good for me with my first few jobs! :D

Red can also depict aggression, and while the monkey and bird both look sweet and peaceful, they are sitting under the dark cloud...........

Good point! Deceiving appearances…

waters are all about emotions and the sand would symbolize changes in your attitude. I do know that I love to walk on the beach--in the sand, as it feels so warm and inviting and supportive. every step just feels good, so I'd say that sand also could be depicting support and warmth.

the beach on the ocean can indicate a transition and major changes happening in your life (per my dream site). and of course, the ocean is symbolic of a spiritual renewal, and of course emotions. Since the waters seems to be rather calm, it gives a feeling of calmness too.

Yep changes, transitions black cloud, white cloud…

the symbol in the right hand corner is related to Neptune. Neptune is supposedly symbolic of dreams and illusions and not paying much attention to reality. allowing oneself to give rather then receive or give more then one receives. lol--been there, done that--many times, I'm afraid!

GENERAL MEANING

so, as I mentioned already above, if I were to see this in a spread, I'd read the cards to the left of the card as troublesome and to the right as lucky and good. I'm generally use to reading anything falling to the left is the past and to the right is the future and not sure if this is used in Lenormand reading. If it could be then, anything to the left could indicate what the client is facing currently or in the past and to the right what the possible answer is to remedying the situation.


HEALTH

health wise, I'd have to rely on the cards to the left of this card as showing the illnesses that the client is facing or overcoming. To the right, the possible help for the client or perhaps how/who the client can overcome the health issues.

if this card shows up to the main significator card to the left, then healthwise it would seem to indicate concern or perhaps even someone who is a chronic complainer. to the right it would indicate not allowing the health issue to have an ill effect on the client.

FINANCIAL
again, with this card, it is really going to depend on the cards around it. this is definitely a card that cannot be easily read on its own accord. it must take into account the cards surrounding it. so, to the left is what is in jeopardy and to the right are the blessings to come financially, I think. the cards to the left may also indicate unwise and childish (because of the monkey) decisions made that they are paying for. this card itself generally depicts being overly generous to a fault, so to the left of a card, it could show to whom or for what the client is being too generous with, to the right, it would indicate what or whom is being overly generous to the client.

You pointed out a very interesting detail with the monkey side of the card speaking about immature way of handling finances.

LOVE
read w/the cards to the left, a love that is not wise for them, whether this be a partner and if w/the cards to the right, one that will pay off for them in some way--whether this is a long lasting love, speaking of possible marriage or at least one that will be forever memorable in a good way.

if this card shows up next to a love interest on its left it could indicate that the love interest is not in the clients best interest--that perhaps the client gives more then they receive and is being taken advantage of. To the right of a love interest card, the opposite--that their love is doting on them.

CAREER
the cards to the left, career choices that are being questioned or troublesome. the cards to the right of this card would indicate what the client should keep in mind or consider.

SPIRITUALITY
the cards to the left of the clouds would indicate to me some problems they are facing spiritually most likely and to the right of the clouds card would indicate a possible new path they are facing.

TIMINGwell now...for timing. I'd be inclined to say summer time, as the card feels so warm. And, knowing that the planet Neptune is slow moving, it would indicate something that will take awhile to complete. And, becausae the planet Neptune is the 8th planet from the sun, I'd keep in mind the number 8--8 days, 8 weeks, 8 mos.

I agree with your way of reading according to the side of the card; I believe it’s the way to go.

SNAKE
So now, the snake card shows a snake standing tall upon a rock w/some grass. on one side is the sun and the other is the moon. the snake wears a crown upon it's head and is wrapped around a golden egg. water is below it, but calm.

The snake has an evil look on it's face, so not to be trusted. the crown speaks of royal, so someone who is powerful and demanding. The sun is a sign of warmth and also of authority. it can symbolize hope and is a spiritual symbol. the moon is generally thought of as symbolizing mystery and often people look at it as a symbol of being fickle. it is thought to be in control of our emotions. a symbol of intuition and psychic abilities. the golden egg--financial rewards. water, symbolic of emotions and the color green for the grass on top of the rock--prosperity. the rock itself can be security or stability. a position of power, determination and stubborness.

GENERAL MEANING
it seems to me that this snake is sitting up high and perhaps is sitting pretty with the golden egg in it's possession. given that there is water beneath the rock, but the water is calm, it would give that this card depicts someone untrustworthy--and one who plays with emotions. the facial features gives the impression of meanness. I keep getting a feeling of 'the boss' so definitely this card gives a feeling of a bossy person--if NOT a boss at work or person in charge, one who likes to be in charge and undermines others if they are not so.

Indeed, meaness, bossy, playing with emotions, etc...you've got it to the point!

HEALTH
if this card appeared in a reading regarding health, I could see again where the client or person it reads for is suggesting something being hidden that would benefit this person the card stands for. If it is to be in their favor to play up an illness, they would, and if they do not want a health issue to be known, they will hide it. this card just feels filled with corruption--like someone would be two faced or would lie if it was in their interest about their health.

FINANCIAL
greed. this card really feels greedy to me, the way the snake is holding onto that golden egg.

LOVE
not a trustworthy love. one who would marry for money and position, not for love.

CAREER
again greed here too. one who would do anything to get ahead--lie, cheat and steal. someone who wants to be in a position of power. Oh, I forgot to list actual careers for the clouds--so for the snake perhaps an investor/investment broker or a con artist. :P

SPIRITUALITY
interestingly enough the snake is generally seen as a spiritual symbol. We've all heard of the kundalini snake--but it can also be seen spiritually as sneaky and evil. temptation. dangerous.

[b]TIMING
With the Virgo sign in the upper right corner, I'd say this timing would be from August 23-Sept. 22. That or perhaps 7 days, 7 weeks or 7 mos as relating to the number in the left hand corner.

Very good points again CN! Yep, I believe that greed comes up in many aspects, can even be found in the spiritual as a drive to a so call "ministry"....

Now Empath:


[b]THE CLOUDS
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It looks angry, confused, contradictory. Mixed up emotions. Stress.

CLOUDS: clearing confusion. Secrets, burdens epiphany, revelations, gatherings, mystery, potential.
http://www.tarotteachings.com/cloud-meaning-in-tarot.html

SMOKE:-"To see smoke in your dream indicates some sort of trouble that is entering your life. You are suffering from confusion and anxiety. In particular, if the smoke is black, then it means that you are not seeing some situation or problem clearly."

Interesting detail as we do have a black cloud

DRAGON:"To see a dragon in your dream represents your strong will and fiery personality. You tend to get carried away by your passion, which may lead you into trouble. You need to exercise some self-control.
In the eastern cultures, dragons are seen as spiritual creatures symbolizing good luck and fortune.
To dream that you are a dragon and breathing fire suggests that you are using your anger to get your own way." Dragon breathing fire=anger. Uncontrolled emotions is what I sense.

CARDINAL: The bird is clearly angry- spiteful/fighting with the dragon. The dragon's spitting out fire (dark smoke) at the bird. The monkey seems calm and somewhat oblivious. "To see a cardinal in your dream represents vitality and happiness. It also may mean being in first place or your position at the front."

MONKEY: "To see a monkey in your dream symbolizes deceit, insight and intuition. Those around you are working to advance their own interest. Alternatively, monkeys indicate an immature attitude, a playful nature and the mischievous side of your personality." Seeing this monkey holding a ball of yarn is seems like he is playful, but so contradictory to the angry bird and fighting dragon.

YARN "To see yarn in your dream symbolizes your connection and creativity. Alternatively, yarn in your dream means that you are stuck in a rut. You are going about your daily life in the same old tired pattern. If the yarn is tangled and knotted, then it implies that you are experiencing some emotional distress or confusion in a situation."

BEACH/WATER/OCEAN:"To see the beach in your dream symbolizes the meeting between your two states of mind. The sand is symbolic of the rational and mental processes while the water signifies the irrational, unsteady, and emotional aspects of yourself. It is a place of transition between the physical/material and the spiritual." Another emotional card- confusion/irrationality/mental unsteadiness.

So I don't plagiarize: ;)
Most came from this site. i don't have enough symbolism knowledge - so I am finding looking things up very helpful. Then I try to throw in an intuitive touch or something I might see.
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/s3.htm


General meaning; It looks angry, confused, contradictory. The bird and the dragon seem to be going at it. The white fluffy clouds versus black smoke. The harshness of the dragon and the peacefulness of the serene beach. Much of the findings above lead to states of confusion, difficulty with emotions or mental state. The contradictions may be considered feeling pulled into different directions. Fluctuations. Mental illness difficulties.

Yep, emotion/confusion/irrationality/mental unsteadiness…that’s the clouds!

Sense of card: When I put my hand over it I sense a swirly feeling in my head that makes me feel ungrounded/flighty.

Make sense!

Numerology/Astrology: 6 - harmonious, flaws upsets (6). image on top right looks like a devil's pitchfork to me. ? OK, googling and researching: trident. ? As Neptune moves in Pisces? Symbol of Neptune. God of the sea, ruler of pisces. Dreams, psychic receptivity, illusions and confusion.

Finances: Fluctuations. Contradictions (maybe like someone who went bankrupt but still wears nice suits and appears well-off outwardly). Perhaps getting money from deceiving ways - ie - cheating on taxes.

Career: Stumped. Someone unsure of "what they want to be when they grow up". Perhaps due to the feelings of mental imbalance..psychiatrists/psychologists. But not sure if that fits. I feel it is a bumpy career - switching of jobs..trying to find one that fits...but really aimless.

Love: Not the best love card. Confusion/illusions. Emotionally charged and irrational. Not using your head- only heart..and the end results are not in your favor.

Health: mental illness, emotional disturbances. Contradictions (maybe like something like bulimia- you eat and then you do what you have to do to be thin). or a diabetic taking extra insulin in order to eat what he/she wants. Just trying to think of examples.

Spiritually: I see the dragon has some quite important spiritual meanings - especially in the Chines zodiac. However, he is breathing fire/black smoke. More contradictions. So i may surmise that this is fluctuating states of spirituality-in a confused state- not sure which way to turn. For example I have seen people who were quite spiritual or religious lose their Faith after a tragedy in their lives (death of a loved one for example) and not sure which way to turn. Or perhaps someone who was raised in one religion and is seeking to find one that fits their needs more..but confused on which way to go.

Timing: Fluctuations of time. difficulty pinning it down. If anything- we'll go for 6. I feel 6 weeks. [/QUOTE]

Very interesting points! I like what you point out for spirituality with people ending up very confused regarding their faith when they encounter tragedies...

THE SNAKE
mystical

I am guessing the most negative card of all in the deck. Deceit, lies, trickery and caution. Even the "sun" in the picture isn't bright. He is holding onto that egg - looks like it might be the spawn of something evil emerging. LOL possessiveness. Actually, since the snake is holding an egg...likely a female?? Maybe going back to Adam and Eve, where the snake represents the devil and Eve is the tempter? Seems like he/she is alone on an island - the crown- making himself King - it doesn't feel to me that anyone "crowned" him- he is giving himself the title of reigning.


SNAKE: "To see a snake or be bitten by one in your dream signifies hidden fears and worries that are threatening you. Your dream may be alerting you to something in your waking life that you are not aware of or that has not yet surfaced. Alternatively, the snake may be seen as phallic and thus symbolize temptation, dangerous and forbidden sexuality."
"Consequently, snakes span the symbolic bridge between lunar and solar associations as well as aspects between water and fire." - This could be why the sun is on one side, the moon on the other. (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/snake-symbolic-meaning.html)
The snake is a symbol of satan too.

Yes, the archetype of Satan is quite visible in this card!


CROWN:-The fact that the snake is wearing a crown reminds me of satan - the ruler of evil. I feel like the snake crowned him/herself. Power.

Most likely, indeed.

SUN/MOON:I think this represents the above quote - that the snake spans the bridge between lunar and solar associations. I think this might have to do with deceit. Showing one side (positive) but truly having a different quality or agenda (negative). ? "karmic balance" - walking the line between good an evil? Duality.


ISLAND: I think the fact that the snake is on an island further shows how powerful he/she feels they are. "It only takes one bad seed" comes to mind. Just one cane spread negativity- you do not need many. The snake feels so powerful that he/she feels they can do this on their own- crowned the king (self-proclaimed that is).

EGG In this case: Possessiveness. Protection over something that can be passed on as bad. This is how the negativity will be passed on - through its own.

Very good! possessiveness, clearly seen here!

So I don't plagiarize: ;)
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/s3.htm

General meaning; Deceit, lies, trickery, caution. Possessiveness. Can be sexual in nature. Sinning and temptations. ? female. I'm wondering if the snake shedding its skin has any meaning here - renewal- the only positive think i can think of. Or it could mean disguise- and fall under trickery. False fronts. Seducer - seems so attractive on the outside (looks/personality- whatever) but on the inside not so- ulterior motives. be careful. Can mean protective. So there is a duality to this card also - with the protective part.
"Two-faced".

The Cartomancy of this card is the Queen of club!

Sense of card: gloom and doom - solar plexus - listen to your gut comes to mind- don't get seduced - follow your own feelings.

Indeed!

Numerology/Astrology: 7 - Loners. Scorpio sign (stinging?)

Finances: Deceitful ways of gaining money. stealing. embezzlement. Not reporting all to taxes. Or having to do with sexual ways to gain money- prostitution etc.

Prostitution, yep, didn’t think about that one but true! Even using sexual pressure, or appeal to get your way.

Career: Why is a lawyer coming to mind? LOL I have nothing against lawyers - but i just watched that movie "the Devil's Advocate". Defending someone you know is guilty. Illegal: Mafia, hitmen. Sexual: prostitution, strip club.

Love: seduction. Cheating. Lies - trying to get someone for sex and not love.

Health: Someone faking an illness: For example the malingerer trying to get a windfall from an injury.

Spiritually: Someone walking the line - trying to figure out which route to taker. Between right and wrong. Duality- deceiving oneself. Feeling you are doing the right thing when you know deep down you aren't Judging others. Hypocrisy. Be aware of "false Gods". caution.

Timing: November for Scorpio. 7th month- July. Something quick - like 7 days.

Good points again!

[LadyZelda]

My original post was too long....visibly I can't put all of you in one post! Oh, well, it's Ok here are my comments on Tarolyn's study!:)


:heart::) This is my version of the Clouds and the Snake cards...
(no i didn't read any of your previous posts in here...
so this will probably be very different than all of yours)
Plus i have not received my my Mystical cards yet.
(...they are in the mail! :thumbsup: )

My Study Through May 25th, 2012 = 6. Clouds and 7. Snake

6. Clouds:
I see this card two ways:
1.) The 'darker' side of the Clouds = Obstacles, Setbacks, Delays, Uncertainty, Confusion,
Worry, Doubts, Fear. Puts a damper on the situation or card to its right, clouds
your insight about the card to the right.

2.) The 'lighter' side of the clouds = Clarity, Brightness, Vision, Understanding, Things
working out. Being able to see cleary or understand the card to its right.

These meanings are basically 'off the top of my head'...not tarot...but my thoughts, so if
i get it wrong...i don't know...just remember that i am learning here and i plan to get
better at this eventually!

Well, I’ll say that what is on “off the top of your head” is really good!!

*HEALTH:
Confusion and worry regarding health issues, especially affecting your lungs, caused by
smoking.
Could be a health setback. Or just getting a cold and feeling under the weather. Also could
be dust that brings on an asthma attack. Emphysema could also be a problem as well.
Clouds mostly have to do with lung problems or issues...maybe just 'congestion' from a cold.

BRIGHT side of the clouds: could indicate a clearing of that lung problem or congestion..

Very good take about linking the lungs to the clouds!!!

*FINANCES:
There is some worry or setback regaring your earnings/income. Maybe you are or will
be unsure of being able to pay your bills. Maybe there is confusion as to why a certain
amount was deducted from your paycheck. At any rate, it doesn't look that great for finances.

BRIGHT side of the clouds: Things are looking brighter for your finances. You have a clear view
of how to make money or get money. No problems with finances. You will have enough
money for your needs.

*LOVE:
A setback in a relationship. Worried about something regarding your partner. If you
don't have one, maybe you are worried that you will never have...or at any rate, you may
feel doubtful about finding love. Or...you are confused about love and not really certain how
you feel about it or another person.

Or...Love is a problem for you because you just don't understand it. Not a good relationship
or not good to start one.

BRIGHT side of the cloud: You have great clarity and understand of what love is and how
you feel about it or a person in your life. It is 'all go' for love! LOL

*CAREER OR BIZ:
A setback or some kind some problem at work or with your work at home. There may be
a challenge right now that you just can't figure out how to handle. Plus you are worried
about that challenge. It is uncertain just how you will be able to see your way through a
muddled situation that has presented itself on the job or a project that you are working on.

*SPIRITUALITY:
Setback, obstacle, challenge or even doubting your faith in whatever the next card is
(to the right). Not being Spiritual. Confused or not sure how you feel about being Spiritual.
Confused about or can't see if there really is a Creator of this world. Maybe you doubt
religion and are an atheist.

Bright side of cloud: Being able to see cleary your belief in a Creator or religion, or your Spirituality.
Having a bright Spirit.

*TIMING:
hmmmm ...Clouds as timing...
It is the '6th' card, so 6 hours because clouds move very fast and have fast energy.
Dark side: Things can go from bad to worse within 6 hours to 1 day!
Light side: Things clearing up very quickly and should be okay within 6 hrs and before the day is up!
YAY! bright skys again :)

I agree quick changes with the clouds make sense, only take a turn of the winds...Atheist, yep, that's a good point too! Very good takes and analysis lyn, direct to the point, with the 2 sides of the clouds well kept in mind!

...the 7. Snake card is next (Yikes...my experinces with 'the' snake so far!!!:bugeyed: :laugh:)...

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7. Snake:
(a Warning card) ...something very nasty!
Can be an evil, slithering, sneaky, enemy or rival that has or will try to back bite you or
harm you in some way. This person may use gile to charm you or lull you in before they hurt
or attack you. Of course then there is plain lying, jealousy, or betrayal They may even try
to sabotage something you are working on or are involved with.
Be on the lookout for them and don't trust them!
OR: sometimes it just indicates a very quiet, but smart and mysterious person...watch out
for them too! LOL (Don't let someone sell you on the wrong thing!)

The snake can also be positive in the sense that through the awfulness of it, it has or will
bring you 'deep' lessons or trials that you need for your Soul.

Indeed!

*HEALTH:
Problems and/or complications with your digestive system (intestines). 'Your' (inner) plumbing is plugged up?
(Constipated? or other?) ...just a thought that came to me...LOL

*FINANCES:
Your income may be jepordized by an unscrupulous person...maybe your BF or mate, or
friend for that matter, (or even a stranger online) could find out your banking (debit card)
numbers and drain your account! yes, i do have a great imagination...LOL
Anyway, there will be problems concertining your money, rescources, or income in such a
way that it will be unpredictable. It could be that someone lies to you and ends up not
paying you what they said they would.

Why not! LOL

*LOVE:
Ah...a 'cheating' person!!! Sneaky, slithering around behind your back and partaking of
another's bliss...plain old cheating!!!
OR: Someone in a relationship with you could be very jealous of you but they might keep
this to themselves. They are not to be trusted (once you find out who they are, of course.)

*CAREER OR BIZ:
Jealousies and betrayal on the job or in a business. This could involve female co-workers or
group members. Be careful who you trust. Beguiling and manipulative person at work or in
your biz or on your project or in your group.

*SPIRITUALITY:
i know a lot of people think of the snake as a deeping of Spiriutaliy and normally it is,
as it may bring much needed (but hurtful) lessons along with it. The snake as a 'person'
in your readings is probably not that Spiritual if they are that low to try to sabatoge you and
harm you in some way. I would say that they have 'slithered' OFF of their Spiritual path! :bugeyed:

I agree! jealousies, betrayals, cheating, sabotage, harm....that's the snake!

*TIMING:
I find the snake to be very quick...darting sideways as fast as it can go...so like something
to watch out for (nasty something or someone) that happens in 7 hours? (Or even in mere minutes?)
It can or will disappeared QUICKLY back behind something :bugeyed:...So I think this snake
card is almost 'immediate'...it is either going on right now or will come about in the next say
7 days at the latest time.

:heart: Lyn

Yes makes sense!

[Sakura]

welcome Sakura! this thread is very friendly and fun. low key, no stress and you are sure to learn a lot here. I'm just starting to tackle learning the Lenormand, though I have quite a few different Lenormand decks. I am also using the Mystical Lenormand for this thread.


thank you for your warm welcome celticnoodle!!!:) yup, i'm sure i'll love it here!!:joke:

Another Mystical Lenormand fan:)
Make yourself at home Sakura:D and grab yourself a cookie while studying!;)

thank you lady zelda!!! you have a wonderful circle here!!! :thumbsup: haha, i think i'll skip the cookie.....i'll get crumbs all over my cards! :laugh:

i'll be posting on this week's round tomorrow. also, i will be out of town starting Sunday for a week, and i won't have any internet access at all....i thought i'd let you all know, don't want ya'll thinking i left lol! ;)

[celticnoodle]

Well, Sakura, I hope your trip is a pleasant one and you enjoy it. I'll be posting my thoughts on the next two cards later today or tomorrow, a bit later then I usually do, sorry LZ. Its been a crazy week. :rolleyes:

[Sakura]

this is my interpretation using the mystical lenormand cards.

The Coffin:

Finality, the end of something. Death even. Could also mean a time of renewal, when old things or ideas and such are put away, buried, giving way to better prospects/not. Could indicate hidden ideas or truths/lies and secrecy.
Also it may signify on taking time to stop, reflect, and observe? As it's an Egyptian coffin, perhaps it also means to preserve ideas, or whatever we may have? To store within ourselves certain ideas?
Health: well, it could very well mean death/and or it won't go away or get better. A time to let go and accept what is.
Love: stale, dormant, or just plainly: there is no love there. The relationship has died of, things are not what they were. The card says as well to just drop it and move on.
Finance: it's not going good. If there was a business prospect, it would become void with this card. Or the new business venture, or just your current job. Can mean you won't be able to pay your bills, your confined to the problems you have with no way out at the moment.



The Bouquet:

Harmony, peace, tranquility, happiness, and prosperity comes to mind when I look at this card. A rosy and cheerful card, that helps show good things are on the way, even may come as a happy surprise.
Health: the bouquet would show that your health is excellent and blooming, or will be.
Love: either your current relationship will bloom and flourish or that you will find a wonderful person, that will match you very well.
Finance: the financial issues become irrelevant with this card. Problems get solved, and finances become stabilized and prosperous. Things become much better all around.

otherwise, i noticed that on the card there are 2 fallen petals on the table....i'm not sure what they mean, any thoughts?

[celticnoodle]

COFFIN

the coffin is actually not so harsh a looking card, given it's title. the sarcophagus is beautifully colored, and thus indicates an ending, but also perhaps an ending with the knowledge and hope of future success.

The Egyptians believed in life after death, and they often would mummify the dead body and put them in a sarcophagus that was colorfully decorated and supplied with things they felt the spirit of the body would need in the afterlife.

the head of the sarcophagus for instance is symbolic of the head of the deceased, so that the soul would find it easier to find the body in the afterlife.

The color just under the blue and gold striped head piece would indicate a large amount of jewelry to me, and the red and gold round piece in the middle another piece of jewelry--a medalian. All this could indicate the wealth of the deceased.

The blue piece in the middle is a scarab beetle, which is symbolic of good luck, and the wings to either side represent the goddess of the Egyptians that would protect the person.

Even the symbols down the middle of this sarcophagus would have meaning, but alas, my eyes are not THAT good to determine what those symbols are! however, to the sides of teh card and above the card, I can do so, I believe. However, first, like Empath does, I feel I need to supply the site where I got my above information from:

http://www.otagomuseum.govt.nz/dyn_documents/mummy.pdf

Some of the information I already knew, but alas, always best to give credit where due.

above the sarcophagus, we again see the wings of the Goddess Nut--offering protection and to the sides, I would believe that just under the number '8' is an image of wheat--so the spirit would not know hunger. then the eye, so the spirit could see outside the sarcophagus. The ankh (cross w/loop at the top) is symbolic of life and then the cobra at the bottom is also symbolic of protection. I think the round ball on its head is either symbolic of the earth or perhaps the sun/moon? not sure and it's not shown in the LWB, so....

at any rate, this card, like death in the tarot, does not necessarily bring with it, ill tidings. It is more of a transformation card, one that indicates one thing is done and over and the person is moving forward into a new light/position. It is over all a well wishing card, I think. However, as with the death card in tarot, I'm sure that when this card pops up, the client may not get that initial impression.

GENERAL MEANING

the general meaning therefore, would be for transformation. leaving something behind and moving forward with a new idea/thought, etc.

NUMEROLOGY/ASTROLOGY
the number 8 in the upper left corner would indicate the 8th day, 8 weeks, or 8 mos. or the month of August. The roman numeral in the right hand side is also depicting 8.

FINANCIAL
Financially, depending on the cards around this, it can be a good or not so good card. If this card was the first card in a spread, I'd say the client is in for an unexpected or is about to start anew in a project that they may not have any idea of where it will lead them. If it comes after a good card, it would enhance the good card to say it will prove very fortunate for them. After a bad card, it would indicate some troubles they will overcome.

If this came at the end of a spread, I'd say that whatever the cards prior to it may indicate, all in all will work out in the end.

CAREER
For career, perhaps someone who is well versed or has something to do with art or hieroglyphics or Egypt, or history. a college professor perhaps? Or perhaps a mortician, grave digger, cemetery caretaker.

LOVE
For love, hmmm...very difficult, really, Ithink. Perhaps a love in a sense of really spiritually connecting and a strong ever lasting love? I'll have to think on this one and come back later.

HEALTH While I think cards very, very rarely do indicate death, I do believe they can indicate health issues. So, if this were to show up in a health reading, it may indicate a bad health problem will be overcome.

SPIRITUALLY
Spiritually, someone who is a believer in the afterlife.

TIMINGthink I already stated--8 days, 8wks, 8 mos or the 8th month--August.

I also noticed in the LWB that this card CAN indicate disease or sorrow. But, I really see it more like the death card in the tarot, and for me, it would have to depend on the position of hte card, with the other cards around it, as well as the question the cards are answering.

If this card was coming after the snake card, perhaps I would see it then as something sad coming their way via another person--a bad act coming their way and would warn them to watch out for that snake. If it was beside the clouds with the dark side of the cloud, it may also indicate illness, but if by the white side, I'd see this as the silver lining in the clouds coming to be--and this would be fortunate. Over all, a change is indicated w/this card, one that wouldn't allow the client to return to the past - as they are moving forward into a new experience/life.

flowers later--

[LadyZelda]

It's been a crazy week for me too, still didn't get a chance to study our current 2 cards! Hoping to post by tomorrow...

[celticnoodle]

Well, LZ, life has a way at times of throwing us a curve ball. I had thought I'd have finished the two cards, and still have to do the flowers card, but not a lot of time right now. Yesterday, I began having problems w/my neck and arms again, and swelling in same, so I decided not to do the card. I'm feeling better today, and luckily also started therapy today for the issue mentioned above--but at any rate, am up to my armpits in things to get done. I have a funeral tomorrow early afternoon and then another engagement tomorrow evening, so I'll do my best to get to the flowers card Sunday or Monday.

[LadyZelda]

Well, LZ, life has a way at times of throwing us a curve ball. I had thought I'd have finished the two cards, and still have to do the flowers card, but not a lot of time right now. Yesterday, I began having problems w/my neck and arms again, and swelling in same, so I decided not to do the card. I'm feeling better today, and luckily also started therapy today for the issue mentioned above--but at any rate, am up to my armpits in things to get done. I have a funeral tomorrow early afternoon and then another engagement tomorrow evening, so I'll do my best to get to the flowers card Sunday or Monday.

Hope you will feel better soon physically and emotionally :love:funerals are always difficult to take in. It is always hard to part whether it is with family or friends. Don't worry about our study; visibly we are all swamped with things to do. Empath and I didn't even make it so far to post on the Coffin...Sakura will be out of town for a week, thus I have decided to give us all a break and keep the study of the Coffin and Flowers running all the way to Friday 8th.;)

Take care :love:

Blessings to all :D

[Empath111]

It's been a crazy week for me too, still didn't get a chance to study our current 2 cards! Hoping to post by tomorrow...

Me too! Was just about to come on and say the same thing. Hope all is well with you- crazy here too..:)

[Empath111]

Well, LZ, life has a way at times of throwing us a curve ball. I had thought I'd have finished the two cards, and still have to do the flowers card, but not a lot of time right now. Yesterday, I began having problems w/my neck and arms again, and swelling in same, so I decided not to do the card. I'm feeling better today, and luckily also started therapy today for the issue mentioned above--but at any rate, am up to my armpits in things to get done. I have a funeral tomorrow early afternoon and then another engagement tomorrow evening, so I'll do my best to get to the flowers card Sunday or Monday.

Oh goodness, i am so sorry, CN!! I hope you feel better and I am sorry about the funeral :(

I have a neck issue that wreaks havoc and makes being on the computer hard at times. I say take your time with the cards - we can always catch up :)
xo

[Empath111]

Hope you will feel better soon physically and emotionally :love:funerals are always difficult to take in. It is always hard to part whether it is with family or friends. Don't worry about our study; visibly we are all swamped with things to do. Empath and I didn't even make it so far to post on the Coffin...Sakura will be out of town for a week, thus I have decided to give us all a break and keep the study of the Coffin and Flowers running all the way to Friday 8th.;)

Take care :love:

Blessings to all :D

Oh - phew. Thank you! I was just coming on to say don't let me hold anyone up...I'll catch up. Looks like we could all use a little extra time
xo

[celticnoodle]

thank you all, and LZ, glad to hear it was pushed a bit furhter out. :) gives me time then. We just returned a bit ago from the funeral, and yes, it is always sad to lose a family member. This 'cousin', (Florence) was really more like an aunt to me, as she was a few years older then my mother--and her kids were in my siblings age group--still a good 8plus years older then me. But, her oldest daughter and I are close.

anyway, it was sad in a lot of ways, because this woman was not that ill--but just couldn't come to grips with burying her daughter a few weeks earlier. That cousin of mine died from a cancerous brain tumor and that was a terribly harder death.

Florence would've been 90 yrs old next week and I was so looking forward to her turning 90. She was an amazing lady, still living in her home that she and her hubby had from the time they were married, and it was many acres--which she still took care of--ALONE! :laugh: can you imagine??? 90yrs old and mowing all her acreage alone. :D

However, it was nice to meet up with all the families again, and now the oldest living cousin was 93 last November, and just as spry as Florence. (her cousin too, not her sibling). Mary, who is 93, remembered everyone and everything going on in everyone's life. :D

I will hopefully take time on Monday, if not tomorrow to do the flowers. I'm looking forward to it, really, because the flowers card is such a happy, simple looking card, but so much to tell! it's the next two cards that seem much darker to me, lol! :D

[LadyZelda]

You’re welcome CN, so sorry you had to part with someone so dear…I can imagine her own sorrow with the loss she had to experience, my grandpa also died while in good health (shocked everyone) quickly after my grandma passed away…What we have to remember though, is that death is not the end, and it is only a temporary separation, like if our loved ones had gone on a long trip…it is really a “goodbye, until we meet again!” She must be so happy now reunited with her daughter! It is wonderful to be able to live so long and still be filled with vitality that, hope it’ll be the same for me because I could not see myself inactive!
No pressure for the study, there is about a full week to work on it!;) Yeah, after the flowers we’ll be heading for darker themes…even if when looking closely, we might find a positive note, a rainbow in the stormy sky….;)

Blessings :love: :D

[celticnoodle]

What we have to remember though, is that death is not the end, and it is only a temporary separation, like if our loved ones had gone on a long trip…it is really a “goodbye, until we meet again!”

Blessings :love: :Dthank you, LZ. I loved the line I left above, (instead of your full quote), and have to say that the Priest who conducted the service for cousin Florence today spoke a lot about 'life after death' and people coming back from death (not like in Florences' case, but like what many people experience--a death and then coming back in the same life/body) to tell stories of meeting up with deceased family and friends and to tell us about heaven. How lovely it is and how we do not suffer anymore when we move into the light.

It was a bit surprising, and, especially to the 'older' people who were there for the service, :P but, I loved it. Reminded me of my take on the coffin in fact! I don't see that card as a death--literal death. but more of a transformation, and that is exactly what Fr. Thomas was telling us too, at the service. That death was not an ending, but a new beginning, a transformation--though he was also meaning it slightly different from how I viewed the coffin card in Lenormand, it is along the same lines.

I was surprised w/Fr. Tom, and had to smile. Obviously, a Priest who is willing to 'hear' about such stories--he even mentioned some books by title that he urged people to find and read (about death and returning!). :laugh: I wondered if he would be willing to extend that to er...acknowledging that 'some' of us are psychic-mediums and have many experiences with the deceased. :D

but, I didn't tempt fate that far. ;)

[LadyZelda]

You're welcome CN :) and you surely made me smile with what you said....More than 20 years ago, I knew a priest Fr George (will never forget him) who was I'll say rather like us "unorthodox";) He did say many things that were not by "the book" when he was with his little study group (which I attended!), and did talk of near death experiences, had books about it, and was letting out truths that were not according to the "tradition"...it was our little secret as we didn't want that the Bishop find out about it and put a stop to it! Father Tom could maybe feel stretched too thin to acknowledge our experiences with those who went on the Other Side...or maybe....would feel relieved to be able to open up about what he senses is true, while not being "by the book";)

I feel the same about the Coffin, I succeeded to study it today and do see it like you!

[Empath111]

thank you all, and LZ, glad to hear it was pushed a bit furhter out. :) gives me time then. We just returned a bit ago from the funeral, and yes, it is always sad to lose a family member. This 'cousin', (Florence) was really more like an aunt to me, as she was a few years older then my mother--and her kids were in my siblings age group--still a good 8plus years older then me. But, her oldest daughter and I are close.

anyway, it was sad in a lot of ways, because this woman was not that ill--but just couldn't come to grips with burying her daughter a few weeks earlier. That cousin of mine died from a cancerous brain tumor and that was a terribly harder death.

Florence would've been 90 yrs old next week and I was so looking forward to her turning 90. She was an amazing lady, still living in her home that she and her hubby had from the time they were married, and it was many acres--which she still took care of--ALONE! :laugh: can you imagine??? 90yrs old and mowing all her acreage alone. :D

However, it was nice to meet up with all the families again, and now the oldest living cousin was 93 last November, and just as spry as Florence. (her cousin too, not her sibling). Mary, who is 93, remembered everyone and everything going on in everyone's life. :D

I will hopefully take time on Monday, if not tomorrow to do the flowers. I'm looking forward to it, really, because the flowers card is such a happy, simple looking card, but so much to tell! it's the next two cards that seem much darker to me, lol! :D
Oh, CN - I remember in the prayer circle about your cousin. I am so sorry to hear about her mom. That is so very sad. 90 years still doing all of that yardwork?! Amazing.
Anyway- thoughts and prayers to you and your family - two losses in a very short time... xoxo

[Skydancer]

So you're doing the coffin and bouquet now?? For the rest of this week then?

Thanks.

[LadyZelda]

So you're doing the coffin and bouquet now?? For the rest of this week then?

Thanks.

Yep! you can post your study anytime all the way to Friday 8th ;)

[celticnoodle]

bouquet

SYMBOLISM
the flowers are bright and cheery looking, upright and tall. they give a feeling of confidence and fun, happy times. in a nice clean looking, homey container on a simple table with a small white cloth.

The flowers are a combination of red roses for love, purple flowers that could be Lavender, not sure. Yellow mums and daisies and a black eyed susan. So, I did a bit of research on the symbolism of each.

Red Rose= love and beauty.
lavender=devotion
yellow mums=slighted love*
daisies=innocence
black eyed susan=encouragement

so, over all a happy symbol here, save for the mums, but I put the * there, because with their pretty yellow color, I still see it as a very positive and cheery symbol.

The bee flying to the flowers symbolizes inspiriation.

the white cloth=purity.

GENERAL MEANINGso, it all seems to be pointing to something good over all. good wishes, hopes and blessings.

NUMEROLOGY/ASTROLOGY
the symbol in the upper right corner is the symbol for jupiter, which indicates good fortune.

CAREER
a florist, or greenhouse keeper, gardener

LOVE
true love, romance

HEALTH
good health returning if illness was recent. good news. hope being sent for better health. congratulations.

SPIRITUALITYThe red rose could be for the BM, also for St. Theresa, the Little Flower, as she always had red roses and it was said the same could be seen to often come out of her body. the purple is about faith and devotion, white for purity and yellow for purity.

TIMING9 days, 9wks, 9mos. or September.

this card was quitesimple to describe, I think. it just gives a feeling of peace and happiness.

[LadyZelda]

As we are now 3 using the Mystical, I have decided to take another approach, to present what can be seen in a very simple deck. What would we get from a deck which art is reduced to the bare minimum? Is it possible to discover the same meaning without all the symbolisms found on the Mystical?
To answer these questions I looked through my Lenormand decks and picked the GDR Lenormand.
I’m making another change in the way I post my study to better suit the amount of spare time that I have. It’s been hectic to try to keep up with the Study and have the time to type it all…There is really a whole lot that comes up from the Lenormand cards, when I study them…I found out that the more I look at them the more I discover…So to spare me hours on my laptop and rest my eyes and hands I have decided to use a very simple format, putting all in one paragraph. Keeping everything as simple as the GDR deck!

The Coffin:

For me positive and negative card. Physical death? Not the main meaning, but this could also be the case. We can’t shy away from this possibility even if this is a very delicate matter so you have to know when it is possible to predict such a threat, not everyone can face a death threat calmly. What the Coffin represents: sadness, sorrow, serious illness, lack of stamina, the end of something, a radical change, reaching a dead end in any area, also “dead” as unproductive or not beneficial. Finances are not flowing, difficulties to make ends meet, or can barely make it. As a career: funeral home worker, medical examiner. Positive aspects: transformation, renewal,moving on.

The Flowers

A very positive card, like a ray of sunshine! Happiness, joy, gift, love, invitation, your life is blooming, health wise, you feel great, if ill this would speak of a quick recovery, great atmosphere at work, get promoted… career: florist, gardener. Financially: a check is in the mail, financial prosperity, no worries at all. Great relationships, romantic, affectionate, true love.

[celticnoodle]

yes, LZ, I see what you mean about the coffin. It could still indicate a death, as awful as that would be to see in a reading for a client. After reading through your thoughts on the card, another career popped into my head as well--a counselor. Not just a grief counselor but any type of counselor really, as they help one see the positive in life after a hardship--which could be from the death of someone close, or any transformation. what do you think?

I also do believe that if the person card was out and there was the cloud card next and then the messenger card and this card, coffin, it would indeed suggest bad news, and even the news of a death. Perhaps also the scythe being in the mix? eh? or if whips came with the scythe and/or clouds and coffin. all these combos could indicate bad news of a death, don't you think?

I'm going through the LWB to see what other cards in combination w/this card and others could indicate a death. do you have any you can think of?

oooh--tower or mice card too in the mix. perhaps also the lilies card--as that is one symbol that always makes me think of funerals. and maybe the last card also, the cross? what are your thoughts on these?

[LadyZelda]

yes, LZ, I see what you mean about the coffin. It could still indicate a death, as awful as that would be to see in a reading for a client. After reading through your thoughts on the card, another career popped into my head as well--a counselor. Not just a grief counselor but any type of counselor really, as they help one see the positive in life after a hardship--which could be from the death of someone close, or any transformation. what do you think?

Yes, I agree counseling can be needed in drastic changes, and after tragedies, and hardships.

I also do believe that if the person card was out and there was the cloud card next and then the messenger card and this card, coffin, it would indeed suggest bad news, and even the news of a death. Perhaps also the scythe being in the mix? eh? or if whips came with the scythe and/or clouds and coffin. all these combos could indicate bad news of a death, don't you think?

I agree according to the way the reading is going I would say that we could have the threat of death, someone dying, or dead. With the Scythe and Clouds I would check the direction of the cardS.

I'm going through the LWB to see what other cards in combination w/this card and others could indicate a death. do you have any you can think of?
oooh--tower or mice card too in the mix. perhaps also the lilies card--as that is one symbol that always makes me think of funerals. and maybe the last card also, the cross? what are your thoughts on these?

Tower, mice and cross are another possibility. Lilies I can’t help but seeing contentment, peacefulness. But for me, the Flowers that we just studied added to the Coffin could indicate a funeral!

Still, the more I study the cards and the more I think that this oracle like any other divination tool can’t be locked up in a book or course. If one follows a “set” of meaning, they will make no sense in some readings. In the case of the Coffin for instance, the Reader needs to intuitively know if it is talking of a threat, or an actual death or someone who is dead, or just a radical change....

[celticnoodle]

Lilies I can’t help but seeing contentment, peacefulness. But for me, the Flowers that we just studied added to the Coffin could indicate a funeral! interesting, because I see it the opposite! :laugh: I guess because at every funeral I've been to, someone has sent the lilies, so I guess that is why I feel this way. I even send lilies often to funerals. the flower card itself feels so happy to me--that I would see it more for a congratulations type thing.


Still, the more I study the cards and the more I think that this oracle like any other divination tool can’t be locked up in a book or course. If one follows a “set” of meaning, they will make no sense in some readings. In the case of the Coffin for instance, the Reader needs to intuitively know if it is talking of a threat, or an actual death or someone who is dead, or just a radical change....yes, I so agree! Though I am more of an intuitive reader anyway, I just cannot imagine reading anything w/o incorporating my intuitive side to it.

[LadyZelda]

I am sorry to announce that for personal reasons, I have to close our circle. Thank you CN, Empath, Tarolyn & Sakura for your most appreciated participation.

Wishing you the best in your study of this inspiring Oracle! :D

Peace, :love:

Lady Zelda