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Does anyone have some thoughts/experiences w/the Page of Cups?
This card keeps coming up in my readings. I was told by my last reader that, as a defining card in my reading, the card had to do w/ a happy surprise on its way - but that it was the kind of surprise that is supposed to kept secret until it happens (like a child receiving his wrapped presents at Christmas). That it portends something really wonderful... O, I wonder what it is : )
Since then, I've really paid close attention to it and I have to say I think it now is my fave card. The soft pinks, blues and mellow yellow colors really seem soothing but joyful. The fish peeking out of the cup, like it was found out, and the amused look on the page's face as he looks at it really make me laugh. I keep thinking too that the scarf from his hat, that wraps under his chin, seems reflective of a fish tail...
What do you all think??
Rachel Pollack in 78 DW says the fish in the Page’s cup can symbolize sensitivity and psychic talents. And as the pages signify study, this card could be reflecting your interest in developing these skills by means of a course or programme of study. The Aeclectic for example? :)
When this page comes up in a reading there is generally someone around the sitter who is studying, revising or taking exams. Can also show someone about to take a driving test if accompanied by the Chariot.
1 see this page as being a bit of a ‘jack-the-lad’ ready for anything type. Ready to face what life has to bring head on. It is said that this kind of innocent and naïve courage comes from inexperience.
He has yet to tread the footsteps of the Knight and King.
Another thing about this page is how well dressed he is. He is typical of a lot of teenagers today where they like to “pose” and hang out with the guys only so long as they are wearing their designer labels. (I say this in a light-hearted and kind way)
Going by the red tulips on his tunic I would say this card symbolizes “a declaration of love."
You say this page keeps appearing in your readings. Maybe someone has their eye on you! ;)
Just some of my thoughts,
Gloria.
sagitarian
30-10-2003, 11:39
all so far I agree with BUT...there is one aspect missing...
Pages are also often a representation of children. The child of cups is going to be oh so emotional. The kind that will tell you they hate you with as much passion as they will come up and SQUEEEEEZE you pronouncing they love you 5 mins later. They are a moody bunch, but in their own way, they are quiet and reserved. When they love, THEY LOVE, and you will find them wanting to do special things for those they do love that is around them.
They are usually very creative, artistic, and psychic, as they are tuned in closely to their emotions and internal being. The aspect that was mentioned, the he has yet to walk through the knight or the King's footsteps was right. Knights are often teenagers and Kings are the representation of Manhood. (Queens being Womanhood).
So my question is, are you working with children right now? Or has someone recently had a child in your family? Perhaps you will be connected to this child in a way that few in their life will understand. Perhaps it's understanding the deep emotional aspect, or psychic abilities.
My feelings on the subject, you have been around a few children as of late, but more so, you are beginning some kind of new, secret journey in your life. You have yet to know where you are truly headed (a hint of the fool in here) but your happy and carefree of problems at the moment, enjoying life in a innocent way. I do feel that there is a pregnancy involved though, not sure if it's "with" you or someone close to you. In a childlike aspect, you are making new discoveries about yourself internally, wether that be your spirituality, psychic abilities, love, or a career that you think you may really enjoy. Your thinking on it with a smile on your face.
I hope this gives you some insight. Please feel free to private message me with any questions.
Thanks, Gloria & Sagitarian, for your thoughts. It really helped add to my understanding and deepened my interpretation of the card.
GLoria, some of the other cards in the reading also talked about a possible love interest, so perhaps you've picked up something there.
It's funny, as I'm discovering that my guides have a good sense of humor, I almost feel as though this card was meant in some way to tease me, to let me know something good was on the horizon, but not to give the entire secret away
Sag, Im not really around children but the second half of your message - regarding new discoveries, etc., sounds pretty right on! I also loved the way you described PAge of Cups in regards to the spirit of the child - very intuitive!
Thanks again-
the page of cups is also about finding out who you really in a loving sense... learning to love oneself.
firestorm
15-11-2003, 12:04
What about the waters behind him. They aren't smooth, but not exactly rough either. It seems to me I read something about that somewhere but can't remember what. Anyone have ideas??
Jewel-ry
15-11-2003, 14:13
Havn't read anything but maybe its the 'stirrings' of romance, especially since this card can represent a young person. The water looks 'stirred' up to me!
I found somewhere "passion curbed by a higher instinct"
I have to think about this for a while.
Hi Adele, I think you've picked up on another theme for me with this card.
The card is really deepening for me in terms of uncovering new layers of meaning, in the last few weeks..thanks to the posts here, in part.. thanks all : )
Can I ask how you got the insight that the card relates to self-love? I haven't seen that in any of my references. Very interesting..
I'd love to hear more
Hi again Moggy....
Could someone around you be 'fishing' for compliments?
G.
Mystic Zyl
20-11-2003, 10:19
The page has come up in many readings with women that are expecting a child.....yep it is the baby card! It also is a card for Pisces, the card for new beginnings and dreams.
Pages are messengers....and the water represent emotions (I believe the ripples are the pages shadows on the water)
the fish are symbols of knowledge gained from feelings... definatley an emotional card. Can be a change of heart your experiencing. New love.
But in my experience the page of cups is usually bringing baby news. How many times has this card came up in your readings??
;)
The baby card, ah that's interesting. Hmm, that gives me some thing to think about altho its a distant possibility at this point..LOL
Majecot, it was the defining card in a reading I had done, and its come up 1-2 times in my daily draws over the past weeks..
Interesting thoughts, thanks everyone!
Hey all - a new piece of the puzzle has fallen into place w/ regards to this card and my reading and I thought I'd share.
I believe the Page of Cups that came up in my reading a few months ago is this new guy that entered my life... the funny thing is that he's VERY psychic and intuitive. So I would believe now that the Page of Cups foretold a new romance, one w/ a very intuitive man. Interesting, right?
Little Baron
29-12-2003, 19:39
Thats great Moggy! I am using the page tonight as well; usually I pick cards randomly but tonight I picked the page on purpose, in the hope that he may bring good communications for me in some areas of my life. Does anybody else conciously do that?
Best wishes to you all.
The page is my favourite in the deck; as I have said before, I see him as my guide. I usually use the RW with the blue and gold box but it is the page from the universal that I seem to get on with better.
Yaboot
Little Baron
30-12-2003, 13:13
The page pulled through.
I set his picture up last night next to my bed; I had scanned it in before and printed it out a4 size. This morning, his picture stood nearby as I did my work. Around midday, the communication I had been hoping would come at some point finally came and the news was good. Thanks page of cups!
Best wishes to you all
Yaboot
paradoxx
30-12-2003, 19:03
This is a more mature interpretation but i think it applies.
Remeber that WAite was a psychologist, so the little details show a great deal.
Look at the pages belt, the buckle is on the left side of his tunic. This is a psychological symbol of desire (especially in sex, but thats not a big deal)
I read that one who displays something with the belt or similar garb here wants to be the dominant partner.
no offense intended to anyone, but were all mature here.
Hi Yaboot - what a great idea!
Never thought of this before - shall definitely be giving it a try. Thanks.
And glad to hear your 'page' came through for you!
WalesWoman
06-01-2004, 11:35
Paradoxx,
Do you think that is why men's and women's clothes fasten opposite of each other? I just thought it was some doofus fashion thing and never thought of it as sexist thing, like males domination/desire and female submissive/???? Like females aren't supposed to have any? I guess when they were first coming up with this women weren't allowed to do much of anything besides submit and be chattel.
paradoxx
08-01-2004, 03:55
Now that you mention it, that does seem like a very logical explanation of how that fashion design came about. This general observation of wardrobe explains the Emporer and the Kings and how they present themselves.
It also explains the odd facination with Hawaiian shirts. personally, i would not wear a floral pattern. Palm trees maybe, but i go for geometric designs, animals, dragons, and more fluid patterns. Just not flowers, but thats just me.
And then there's that fish. I am reminded of Cat in the hat with the fish in the teapot, the fish wil grant your wish, be it for a little or for a lot.
Make your wishes carefully, how they are answered may be more vauge than the answer.
mysticmoon
21-11-2005, 00:31
I have read somewhere that women's clothes fasten on the other side because in the olden days, women used to be dressed by their maids and the fastening was correct for maids, even though opposite for the women themselves. I don't know if there is really anything sexist involved here. Just convenience perhaps.
rainwolf
21-11-2005, 04:00
The page has come up in many readings with women that are expecting a child.....yep it is the baby card! It also is a card for Pisces, the card for new beginnings and dreams.
Pages aren't assigned astrological attributions; pisces belongs to the king of cups, mutable water who can control and be effected by emotions like pisces. I also don't think pisces is the sign of new beginnings; its more like the sign of karma and finishing up.
The page of cups was discussed in another thread about the fish which I thought was pretty cool: http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=21512
firefrost
26-12-2005, 13:20
Whatever the fish is saying to him, he's listening intently to it. Maybe it's representing his subconscious thoughts?
I agree about his headgear as well - that seems to represent a fish too. A teenager going through growing-up emotions, and wondering whether to listen to their head or their heart, maybe?
Jan :-)
Kilted Kat
27-04-2006, 18:59
I think there is a connection with the Page of Cups, of water, and the Hanged Man.
I see any page as a possible portent to pregnancy, depending on the surrounding cards.
KK
Whatever the fish is saying to him, he's listening intently to it. Maybe it's representing his subconscious thoughts?
I agree about his headgear as well - that seems to represent a fish too. A teenager going through growing-up emotions, and wondering whether to listen to their head or their heart, maybe?
Jan :-)
I agree. I see the fish rising from the cup as a kind of messenger from the unconscious. It's almost as if his inner self is peeping inward and outward at the same time and perhaps discovering at this instant that all time is one time.
tink
caridwen
09-05-2006, 08:57
Does anyone have some thoughts/experiences w/the Page of Cups?
This card has been coming up time and again in my deck. It doesn't come up in spreads/readings, no, that would be way too simple. It keeps coming up at the end of my deck after I have shuffled and cut. It doesn't matter what spread or question I am doing at the time, the Page is there at the end of my deck!!
So that's my experience with the Page for the last six months!! Maybe he's some kind of creepy stalker... :bugeyed:
Kilted Kat
09-05-2006, 10:36
Maybe he's some kind of creepy stalker... Or Cupid :love:
KK
caridwen
10-05-2006, 19:05
Or Cupid
He showed up again today so he is definately poking me in the eye about something. He's probably a stalking cupid, knowing my luck.:(
Pages aren't assigned astrological attributions; pisces belongs to the king of cups, mutable water who can control and be effected by emotions like pisces.
Where did you get that system from? I was thaught that Pisces is connected to the Knight of Cups...
Kilted Kat
11-05-2006, 05:40
The GD dawn system associated the zodiacs with courts. However, Crowley assigns the Knight hierarchically larger that the King; therefore, Kings are Pisces, Gemini, Virgo, and Sagittarius rather than the Knights, who are Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus, and Leo.
KK
Crowley assigns the Knight hierarchically larger that the KingIf a Knight's a King and a King's a Knight
if you see a Knight King as a King Knight
then a King is a King King when a Knight
is a Knight Knight, and not a Knight King.
caridwen
11-05-2006, 09:05
The GD dawn system associated the zodiacs with courts. However, Crowley assigns the Knight hierarchically larger that the King; therefore, Kings are Pisces, Gemini, Virgo, and Sagittarius rather than the Knights, who are Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus, and Leo.
KK
Don't get where this is going...this is the RWS forum. Why all the chat about Golden Dawn system?
Kilted Kat
11-05-2006, 09:15
Where did you get that system from? Weren't Waite and Smith members of the Golden Dawn? Don't they take attributes from the Book T? Just trying to be helpful.
KK
Kilted Kat
11-05-2006, 09:20
In RWS Knights are Pisces, Gemini, Virgo, and Sagittarius rather than the Kings, who are Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus, and Leo. The Page of CUps is associated with the Hanged Man. I think.
KK
Weren't Waite and Smith members of the Golden Dawn? Don't they take attributes from the Book T? Just trying to be helpful.
KK
Yeah... I wasn't trying to bring you down, only I learned the RWS system and that wasn't it so I got a bit confused. No need to go all defensive.
The_Star
14-05-2006, 18:04
Does anyone have some thoughts/experiences w/the Page of Cups?
This card keeps coming up in my readings. I was told by my last reader that, as a defining card in my reading, the card had to do w/ a happy surprise on its way - but that it was the kind of surprise that is supposed to kept secret until it happens (like a child receiving his wrapped presents at Christmas). That it portends something really wonderful... O, I wonder what it is : )
Since then, I've really paid close attention to it and I have to say I think it now is my fave card. The soft pinks, blues and mellow yellow colors really seem soothing but joyful. The fish peeking out of the cup, like it was found out, and the amused look on the page's face as he looks at it really make me laugh. I keep thinking too that the scarf from his hat, that wraps under his chin, seems reflective of a fish tail...
What do you all think??
The Page of Cups represents the activity necessary to become a King of Cups! The Page is dynamically loving and demonstrates (unconsciously perhaps) how he/she likes to be treated by others.
The only 'problem' with the Page is that loving is a two way street so the Page needs to learn to receive love also (for balance and nourishment).
Sometimes the Page can be like an affectionate Golden Retriever who won't sit still to so you can pet him.