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Rusty Neon
20-11-2003, 11:05
Does anyone have suggestions for herbal remedies that will heal Tennis Elbow? My case of tennis elbow is stubborn (and has lasted since April) and won't go away despite anti-inflammatory medication (prescription and Advil) and physio.

Thanks in advance!

Ruby7
20-11-2003, 12:29
Hi Rusty, Have you tried Glucosamine Sulfate? This is a natural supplement available at drug stores and health food stores in capsule form. Has been proven to be effective for joint, ligament inflammation. I checked online and it is considered effective for tennis elbow also. Do you have any other ailments? Just wondering because if your body is in a state of attacking itself (autoimmune symptoms, e.g. allergies, intestinal trouble) then your tennis elbow could be part of something else and in that case you could try Moducare, which helps to balance the immune system whether it is overactive or underactive.

I am not qualified in any way, have just done a lot of research, and tried a lot of different things over the past 15 years for health problems. Hope this helps, Ruby7

Rusty Neon
20-11-2003, 13:29
Originally posted by Ruby7
Hi Rusty, Have you tried Glucosamine Sulfate? This is a natural supplement available at drug stores and health food stores in capsule form. Has been proven to be effective for joint, ligament inflammation. I checked online and it is considered effective for tennis elbow also. Do you have any other ailments?


Hi ruby, thanks. I did try capsules Glucosamine Sulphate + Chondroitin + MSM. However, since those supplements weren't seemingly indicated for tennis elbow, I had felt that any relief i got was placebo effect. But now, in view of it apparently being effective for tennis elbow, I'll give it a try again.

Other ailments? Neck and back, especially, neck. That may be aggravating the elbow condition. Hmm, anything herbal I could take for the neck?

TemperanceAngel
20-11-2003, 16:57
Originally posted by Rusty Neon

Other ailments? Neck and back, especially, neck. That may be aggravating the elbow condition. Hmm, anything herbal I could take for the neck?

Drinking a nervine like Chamomile may help or valerian, in capsule form. Take valerian at night 'cos it makes you sleepy. Oh and for a small few it has the reverse effect.

The other thing I can suggest is massage or make a liniment, olive oil is ok to use. Add some essential oils like eucalyptus, lavender or rosemary. Make sure you do neck stretches, like rotations and ask yourself: is it really your neck hurting or is there an underlying problem?

Hope this helps, Rusty ;).

XTAX

TemperanceAngel
20-11-2003, 16:59
Don't use rosemary at night, your mind will be active and sleep will be little!

XTAX someone who knows through experience!

Sulis
20-11-2003, 23:17
Rusty reflexology is very good for busitis (tennis elbow) and very easy to do on yourself.

Massage around your knee as this is the referal area for your elbow (left knee if it's the left elbow, right knee if it's the right elbow). You may find a bit on your knee which is very sore. This relates to the sore part on the elbow.
Try to massage this sore bit about 3 times a day - after meals is good as it helps you to remember.
Sounds mad but it does work (honest) my mum has had excellent results for neck arthritis by massaging her thumbs.

Love and light

Sulis xx

raeanne
20-11-2003, 23:22
Hi Rusty Neon,
I have had bouts with tennis elbow and other forms of tendonitis for years. The only thing I have found that helps is Shark Cartilage. You can usually get this over the counter at any pharmacy or at a health food store. I buy the 740mg dosage. A bottle of 60 capsules costs about US$10.00. I take two capsules at night before I go to bed and two in the morning. I usually notice a difference within 10-12 hours. In a day or two I feel much better. I have several friends who also use shark cartilage. They get good results too, but one person I know is a bit slower to get results - maybe 2 or 3 days. The capsules do have a fishy smell when you sniff the bottle but you don't get any fishy taste at all, even if you belch after taking them. For pulled muscles or tendon problems of any kind, this stuff is great! I would NOT recommend this for anyone with allergies to fish or fish products, but I have never heard of anyone having a bad experience with shark cartilage. Let me know if you try it.

dolphinprincess
20-11-2003, 23:27
Hi Rusty Neon - I suffered from your ailment for several years. It started in my neck / upper back as you mentioned... eventually moving down my arm.. I had a zillion xrays and tests (nerve tests, needs, yuck!).... that showed tennis elbow.. although they couldn't figure the neck thing out...

I've also tried a zillion supplements.. One thing that REALLY helped me was massage... I came across several techniques while in MT school last year...

I took a workshop with Michael Young on something called Muscle Release Technique.. (it goes by similar names with other people).. VERY helpful... if you can find someone in your area that offers it...

Minderwiz
21-11-2003, 06:33
I'm not sure these herbals are helpful in the long term but the may offer at least some analgesic qualities:

Chickweed (possibly combined with St John's Wort)
Nightshade (both common and deadly)
Sow thistle
Teasel
Viper's Bugloss.


I am reliant on Culpepper's herbal for the above and as Tennis Elbow wasn't a known condition in those days, I've gone for ant-inflamatories.

Again I doubt any will be a solution in itself but they may well helpd combined with some of the other treatments mentioned.

TemperanceAngel
21-11-2003, 07:22
Originally posted by Minderwiz

Chickweed (possibly combined with St John's Wort)
Nightshade (both common and deadly)
Sow thistle
Teasel
Viper's Bugloss.

I am reliant on Culpepper's herbal for the above and as Tennis Elbow wasn't a known condition in those days, I've gone for ant-inflamatories.



What a genius Culpepper is!
Chickweed is used externally for things like eczema, psoriasis, bites, burns etc. I am not sure about it helping tennis elbow. I would also be weary using nightshade plants, as they can aggrevate joints.

Sorry, Minderwiz, not trying to say you are wrong, but Culpepper is quite dated, at times. Please don't be offended.

XTAX

Massage seems like a good solution.

Rusty Neon
21-11-2003, 08:39
Wow! Thanks, everyone, for all the interesting suggestions. I'll try the suggestions one by one, and keep you posted.

Minderwiz
22-11-2003, 04:14
TemperanceAngel,

No offence taken at all - and when it comes to herbs I don't mind admitting that I am very much a novice. I got into Culpeper through Astrology and its use in diagnosis, prognosis and treatment. But I'm no authority LOL

HudsonGray
22-11-2003, 08:51
The shark cartiledge & glucosamine both help joints & tendons, BUT you have to be on them 2 months before noticeable signs of improvement will show up--it's one of those long term, gradual thingies.

SAMe (3 large letters, small 'e') is another along the line of shark cartiledge, and it's supposed to help joints & tendons, but it's even more expensive than the shark.

If you need immune system boosters (low cost) to get your whole body going good, look for Lysine 500mg a day, and COQ10 35mg a day. Both do help with several other things besides the general immune system. Lysine builds bones & aids healing, especially viruses (like the herpes cold sores) and COQ10 helps the eyes & blood system.

I've had to research these for several reasons (human & feline). About 20% of people see no improvement with glucosamine though. Depends on the person I think.

Someone I know had suggested zinc and magnesium for tendon problems (I have a thumb tendon pain since May of this year) but frankly I haven't seen any improvement in mine with either one. I do recommend lysine though, it does wonders for FIV positive cats & those cold sores.

Kaz
22-11-2003, 09:12
rusty, this is by no means a cure, but it does help against the pain:
put an acupuncture needle in large intestine 11 .
i have an injury from aikido, its like a tenniselbow, and i started doing the needles just 2 weeks ago, it works like a charm for me, so good i forgot i have the injury and did something that immediately scr3wed it up again. normally you do the needle once every 10-14 days.
to find the exact location just do a google search for it.

raeanne
06-12-2003, 00:01
Hey Rusty,
How's the tennis elbow? Have you had the opportunity to try any of the suggestions yet? Keep us posted on how you are getting along. I had to scoop snow off my driveway the other day and I had some body aches afterward so it made me think about you. Hope you are feeling better.

zorya
06-12-2003, 04:53
boy, am i late to this thread!

have you tried arnica?

the lotion and gel forms are easy to apply.