Cursed Birth chart

NamasteIndia

Does western astrology has the concept of cursed birth chart???

In vedic astrology its said that when moon is helmed between malefics like south/north node its cursed

Sun and moon in exchanging houses also indicates a curse and when mars/saturn/venus together means person will not get help from curse

Any person has to try hard spiritually to struggle and come out of this curse and there will be barricade from all sides to get out and find a path.

But the person will be trapped literally and unable to move in such case only prayers can help.
 

magpie9

I dob't know about all that, but I know if there are a lot of retrogrades in a birth chart the person will be presented with many challenges.
 

Minderwiz

Does western astrology has the concept of cursed birth chart???

In vedic astrology its said that when moon is helmed between malefics like south/north node its cursed

Sun and moon in exchanging houses also indicates a curse and when mars/saturn/venus together means person will not get help from curse

Any person has to try hard spiritually to struggle and come out of this curse and there will be barricade from all sides to get out and find a path.

But the person will be trapped literally and unable to move in such case only prayers can help.

It really depends on what branch or stage of Western Astrology we're talking about. I think Modern Astrologers would be horrified to use the word ''cursed' and would deny such a thing could exist. However I've read psychological interpretations which amount to much the same thing, though the word 'challenge will be used and it is assumed that the person, by their own actions, or with the help of a counsellor (preferably a psychological Astrologer) is able to overcome them. Actually that's not far from what you have said about the Vedic approach, so it's more a word usage and connotation issue.

Hellenistic and then Medieval Astrology is much more prepared to use a words such as malefic or malevolent but French speakers will recognise that the prefix 'mmal simply means 'bad' and suggests challenges, depending on how far you think there's fate or freewill, or perhaps better said, 'room for manoeuvre'.

The idea of enclosure is found from the Hellenistic period onwards and probably came in Jyotish from its contacts with the Hellenistic world. Enclosure by malefics (Saturn and Mars) either bodily or by aspect, would be seen as malefication of the enclosed planet and if that's the Sect Light, Domicile ruler of the Ascendant, or the Benefic of sect, that would be bad.

There are other maelfication (and bonification) conditions, giving a total of seven in all, for both bonification and malefication, all of which can be mitigated to some extent by other factors. So it's by no means a black and white situation. In Hellenistic times being Retrograde was not one of them, though it is not seen as positive in nature, so it's a mild form of malefication. It became taken more 'seriously' later and magpie9 is correct for a modern perspective.

Oddly the Nodes would not be treated as malefic, as they are in Jyotish. Hellenistic Astrology did not give much weight to them, though both were considered unfortunate. From Medieval times the North Node was seen as a benefic and still is.

You will also find the idea of eminence in Hellenistic and Medieval Astrology, for strong birth charts, which implies the lack of eminence in others.
 

NamasteIndia

vedic astrology talks about pastlife and so curses are usually the pastlife related.
and present life problems are due to pastlife curses given by certain people
 

Minderwiz

vedic astrology talks about pastlife and so curses are usually the pastlife related.
and present life problems are due to pastlife curses given by certain people

Past life is absent from Western Astrology till the late Nineteenth Century. Alan Leo and the Theosophists began to pick and choose Vedic ideas and incorporate them into their revived Astrology. So you will find Modern Astrologers who do incorporate Karma into their practice. I don't think they would see it in the way you explain, though. It's a more 'romantic' view.