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Bean Feasa
03-03-2004, 02:50
The Fool in the ToP is a very oriental-looking character - the book tells us he comes from Ali Sufi's Astronomical Atlas, which sounds suitably eastern too. Quite an exotic figure then, in his rich-looking belted coat, a strong orange colour lined with royal blue and closefitting blue and gold cap - not at all the homely, ragged or motley Fool of other decks.
The astronomical connection means that what I took at first glance to be acupuncture points studding his wrists, knees, shoulders and waist are in fact stars marking out the shape of Aquarius. This seems to me to indicate that the Fool knows his own inner resources - he is of the stars and so can step blithely out into the abyss. I like to think that we all have this kind of surprising light within us - and that, like him, when we make a leap we bring our inner 'stardom' to the surface.
The little dog is of the same tribe as the little dog in the Moon card (i.e. he comes from a previous deck of the ToP's designers), and as in that card, he's a wonderful warm homely touch, balancing the dizzy coolness of both these cards.
The Fool seems in danger, but in fact has the world, the elegant rooftops of Prague at his feet. He's about to step off a sculptured stone platform, which, interestingly, is also decorated with stars.
I like his expression - it's rather Buddha-like, dreamy and serene, completely nonchalant. A flower seems to sprout from his right hand, a yellow flower with one green and one red leaf, suggesting vibrancy and creativity perhaps. The sky behind the Fool is spacious, a warm heady blue, seeming full of possibility.
All in all a lovely card, a slightly different rendering of the familiar image, but staying loyal to all the layers of meaning of the archetype.

Jewel-ry
06-03-2004, 02:58
I had my first really good look at this card today and several thoughts come to mind.

His robe is orange the colour of confidence and impulse, but the inside is a purple colour, the colour of perfection. I think he is looking to turn the gown in the other way by the time he completes his journey. Purple (or is it violet) is also the colour of the crown chakra.

The book mentions the astronomical connection to Aquarius which incidentally is also ruled by Uranus (many books connect Uranus to the Fool). Originality, eccentricity, upheaval, boldness and sudden changes are all associated with Uranus. Aquarians have a curiosity about life, which also ties in nicely with the Fool. There are 22 stars on his robe, one for each Major Arcane. There are lots of stars in this card, which brings in hope, aspiration and a calmness. He is happy with his decision and is just going for it!

He stands on his platform, which appears to just float above the city. He rises above society so that he can partake in this journey. The platform is not fixed, he is not fixed. He can’t be pinned down. He is about to undertake an adventure. He has so much confidence and knows that when he takes that step, he will come to no harm. The little dog is trying to warn him but his eyes appear fixed on a target, a goal. The flower in his hand could represent the love of life, another facet of Aquarians.



J :)

Kissa
07-03-2004, 19:50
There are tiny black marks next to some of the stars (i don't have the deck in the reach of hands now), they are visible on the lower body if i remember properly. Some of them look like an astrological or planet sign but i wasn't sure yesterday. Any clue?

OOOps! maybe i should have knocked at the cafe club door before rushing in?? ;)

Kissa

Jewel-ry
07-03-2004, 19:53
Hi Kissa,

Yes, I did notice those, but couldn't see very clearly. I need a magnifying glass I think :D Perhaps someone else has better eye sight??

Thanks for sticking your nose in the door. Visitors are always welcome!

J :)

Kissa
07-03-2004, 21:39
Originally posted by Jewel-ry
Yes, I did notice those, but couldn't see very clearly. I need a magnifying glass I think :D Perhaps someone else has better eye sight??

they really are tiny. i took the deck out and watched carefully. since the picture is from Ali Sufi's astonomical atlas, could they be arabic letters? i don't know anything about arabic alphabet except that it reads from left to right...

when you are finished with this magnifying glass, would it pass it to me, love? ;)

K.

PS: First i thought: "oh NOOOOOOOOOOO! what are these black spots on my gorgeous ToP?! then I realised they were next to some of the stars and they looked like a kind of characters, not just an accidental ink spot... Now I am fully relieved to hear that someone else has spots too he he (although we are not teenagers anymore)...

Jewel-ry
07-03-2004, 22:44
I'm sure when Bean Feasa gets here tomorrow she'll throw more light on it!

J :)

contrascarpe
07-03-2004, 22:56
I am not sure I have much to add to the observations already stated, but one additional thing did stand out for me.

The platform that he is standing on (already observed to be floating in the air) is that of a person (at first I thought an angel but when I look closer what I first perceived as wings looks more like a cape) apparently shouldering a burden.

Traditionally I am used to the image of the Fool embarking on his journey alone with all his possessions in his little satchel. The only other figure typically being the dog who seems to warn him of the dangers of the unknown. The figure on the platform to me indicates a fore-telling of what is to come - that the Fool will be assisted on his journey by the colorful characters he is about to meet. Therefore I see the platform taking on the secondary meaning of a reminder that no matter what we embark on in life, we are never alone - we have to be aware of all the people we meet along the way who help shape us into what we ultimately become.

Dan

baba-prague
07-03-2004, 23:26
Originally posted by Bean Feasa
[BThe little dog is of the same tribe as the little dog in the Moon card (i.e. he comes from a previous deck of the ToP's designers[/B]

Just to throw in a quick comment, no in fact he (and several other elements - including one person in each suit and some other animals) comes from the traditional Czech tarot playing pack. It is a 32-card deck used in Central Europe. The traditional pattern is wonderful, full of odd little animals and other quirky elements. We were lucky enough to find a few WWII copies - which have particularly fine printing and colours - and we used these as the basis for the elements we incorporated.

Why? Well in part it's a nod to the fact that tarot probably began life as game cards. It's also a way to add something else (graphic rather than 3-d) that's unique to this region. Plus - well, we just loved the figures!

I can find a link to some of these cards if that's of interest.
Oh - and if anyone (assuming I won't get a whole flood of requests) is studying ToP and would like a deck of these Czech tarot cards then I can buy a modern set very cheaply - they sell them everywhere here. The modern ones are rather carelessly produced, but still nice. I think even with postage a set would be very little - around $5 or so (and mostly that would be postage).

edited to add - I wish we HAD designed these earlier cards. Perhaps in a past life? LOL

Kissa
08-03-2004, 00:22
Originally posted by baba-prague
. The modern ones are rather carelessly produced, but still nice. I think even with postage a set would be very little - around $5 or so (and mostly that would be postage).


the flood of requests officially starts from finland...

more in a pm?

kissa

baba-prague
08-03-2004, 02:54
I'll pick up a few!

I am also going to try to find the original "Fool" picture so that you can see all the markings more clearly. It's a terribly old picture of course - the book is in the Strahov library here.

We did a good six versions of this card before this final one. The earlier ones were dramatic but very dark - we wanted sunny and light.

I might try to fish out one of the early versions too. But I bet it will surprise you!

Bean Feasa
09-03-2004, 18:44
Originally posted by Jewel-ry
I'm sure when Bean Feasa gets here tomorrow she'll throw more light on it!

lol, Jewel-ry, you have great faith in me! But I'm afraid I haven't a clue what those markings are. I wonder are they those astrological glyphs that you get on cards in some other decks? A lot of decks have Hebrew letters too, but these do look more like Arabic letters, one looks a bit like the number 3 backwards. I'm afraid I'm not learned enough to know, but I'm sure there are some expert Aeclecticians who would. Maybe we should post a question on one of the other boards. Or maybe baba could help us out. (Yodels) Oh baba, are you out there?!

Hi Kissa, welcome to the cafe - like the song says, the doors are always open wide :)

baba-prague
27-03-2004, 03:07
She shuffles in a bit apologetically and offers cappucino all round...

So - firstly I have not bought those cards yet, but tomorrow I absolutely will. I haven't been down town much, and when I was I have to just be honest and confess that I forgot (I got over-excited at the discovery of a good Italian deli - first one in the centre).

However, here also (AT LAST - I hear you say) is the original of The Fool.

The little black dots are numbers - it took me a moment before it clicked I have to say. I was wondering to begin with if the star signs were being seen as dots.

I do think I have to make a huge effort to find time to put some of these originals on the website. They add a lot to the enjoyment of the images I think.

These are a little bit large for downloading, but have to be to see the details:

http://www.tarotofprague.com/cats/aquarius.jpg

http://www.tarotofprague.com/cats/aquarius_close.jpg

________

and I promise to be a bit more active - the last week I've been lost in the new deck I think. My own Tarot of Prague has been getting restive and demanding the attention it deserves

Jewel-ry
27-03-2004, 08:12
Hi baba,

No apologies needed, we know you are busy.

Thanks again for your input on these cards. I never would have thought the markings on the fool were numbers, although I did count the stars earlier on. I do like to see these pictures up close (I have just been looking at the lamp on the 8 wands one too!).

Don't worry about the decks, whenever you can would be great, no pressure!

J :)

zagone
27-05-2004, 08:56
Both the Star and the Fool are sometimes associated with Aquarius. They are both serene and dreamy in this deck. Aquarius can tie them both together in the sense that
Aquarius dreams big pie-in-the-sky goals. Aquarius dares to be different and try what others would not think of.

I like the urban setting of this Fool. Its possible to set off into danger, the unknown, or a new project in an urban setting too after all.

The funny thing about the Fool is that you never know whether he is going to succumb to danger, or be saved despite his ignorance. Something about babies, children, and Fools lend themselves to surviving brushes with danger that no one else would (and likely never knowing they were in danger to begin
with).

For the first time I can recall, this version of the card provides the possibility that the "ground" (flying column-head in this case)
will actually move itself to catch him as he steps off!!

-- Zagone

Moongold
28-05-2004, 06:27
Are there are two representations of the Fool here? The stone figure carrying the Fool in the orange cape looks just like his companion and even has the same stars on his cape. The stone Fool also has a cap of similar kind to the Live Fool

I have not got the book to this deck but perhaps the stars represent some kind of energy. Do they represent the constellation which shelters the planet Uranus? I will check this out.

Does this image depict the Fool and his Shadow? We all carry a shadow but perhaps this Fool has achieved mastery over his to the extent that past experience can carry him to new places.

It is interesting to think of Prague as a city full of art, including sculpture. It is not fanciful to thing of the stone sculptures holding spirits within. Prague is is such an old city and the statues are sculpted from ancient stone which has seen much. The Australian aborigines believe that solid matter holds spirits. - Uluru - although this is a long way from that. But is is nice to think that this beautiful city holds a different kind of magic.

I like the idea of the Fool with his Shadow. It make him so much more human. This is also about change - metamorphesis - we can all change to something else when need be. We are all capable of amazing change, and maybe we ultimately do achieve self mastery as this Fool may have. What energy propels him through space?

It is also about slipping back and redemption. We are human and we make mistakes from which we learn and grow. Matter is in constant motion as are our spirits. Our spirits are constantly forged and mixed in the fulcrum of human experience. I like thinking of the Fool in this way. He can be constantly renewed and reborn, although I imagine this process to be far slower than I've just implied.

annik
01-12-2004, 06:04
I feel that anything can happen on this card. I would not be surprised if this fool grow wings and take flight! Wait he seems to be already on a flying statue! With the magic of the fool, anything become wild and unexpected. A bit as some old cartoon, the conventional laws of gravity don't apply.

Little Baron
23-09-2006, 23:50
This fool is elevated high above the city.

It gives him a different view point. And it gives others a different view of him. Like the stars, they may look up at him in wonder. How different he is and how differently he behaves to those on earth.

For me, he is an adventurer. The statue on which he stands is not part of anything - no building is attached to it. He jumps about from no structure to no structure. It stands wherever he is, for he is not attached to anything either. For some, when a person such as The Fool comes into their life, it often seems as though he has appeared from nowhere. And when he leaves, he disappears in a puff of smoke. He is not held down by the constraints of either the people he meets or the little dog that tugs at his clothing. You can not rein in this man.

I like that the card is almost divided in two. You have the complicated city life at the bottom. And the free, airy sky at the top, where the fool dwells. I read a book called Roofworld, recently (by Christopher Fowler) - about people that had given up living down on the ground with every one else, but instead, were living above, on the roofs of London; jetting about on invisible runs. This reminds me of the book. Almost opting out of what society expects from you and taking a jump into the exciting unknown - a brand new world of experience.

LB

Bean Feasa
24-09-2006, 02:49
The statue on which he stands is not part of anything - no building is attached to it. He jumps about from no structure to no structure. It stands wherever he is, for he is not attached to anything either. For some, when a person such as The Fool comes into their life, it often seems as though he has appeared from nowhere. And when he leaves, he disappears in a puff of smoke.

I like this 'nothing and nowhere' theory, LB. Very zen and gave me a bit of an aha moment. I never thought too much before about where does the Fool come from or go to.

I like that the card is almost divided in two. You have the complicated city life at the bottom. And the free, airy sky at the top, where the fool dwells...
Actually that's something I noticed a lot in this deck. There are often two worlds in a card - a very clear foreground figure separated from a detailed background world by a river or an arch or in this case an elevated position. In quite a few cards a background mural of some kind seems to 'shadow' the main figure.

Interestingly enough there are roof-people too in The Colour of A Dog Running Away by somebody Gwyn - Nicholas Gwyn maybe. An atmospheric read - it's set in Barcelona. The Fowler novel sounds good - must look out for it.

Thanks for reviving this thread Little Buddha :)

Jewel-ry
24-09-2006, 04:28
Oh it is nice to see this thread resurrected again. Funnily enough I had this deck out again this afternoon, it is still one of my favourites. I know it better than almost any other.

I have been reading a lot about Rudolf II and his court in Prague during the late sixteenth century. His court was very cosmopolitan in terms of the ideas that flowed through it and the people that he brought into it and included astronomers, alchemists, astrologers...all sorts. For me the whole deck epitomises Prague and its cosmopolitan society both historically and present day. The feeling overwhelms me when I look at the deck and begins with the very first card...the Fool. The world is his oyster, there is so much to do, so many things to experience and he is just going to jump in and do it.

Just great!

Thanks LB :)