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dolphinprincess
17-03-2004, 00:07
I've always understood "basic" astrological terms (planets, signs, houses, etc...).. but I've never really studied astrology beyond the surface...

This past weekend, something inside told me to buy some books when I was at Borders...

I have to say - astrology may give the tarot a real run for its money when it comes to my time! I am only a quarter through my first book, but I am *loving* it... I find that it works so similar to my my own mind... While I am creative, I am also very analytical. Astrology offers a mix of intuition and science... It is just 'clicking' with me... :D

I am really excited to learn more!!!! There seems to be a TON to study.... I'll have to dig through some of the past threads in here when I have some free time!

For those that study both, when do you use astrology vs. when you use tarot?....

Minderwiz
17-03-2004, 00:39
Originally posted by dolphinprincess
While I am creative, I am also very analytical. Astrology offers a mix of intuition and science... It is just 'clicking' with me... :D

For those that study both, when do you use astrology vs. when you use tarot?....


I also find Astrology fascinataing because of the mixture of the intuitive and the 'scientific'. I like reasons for things and Astrology usually has a reason for the way things are done. Sometimes these reasons have got 'lost' or 'mislaid' which is one of the things that got me digging into the historical side.

I started out with Astrology and although I have some familiarity with Tarot, I'm afraid it's usually Astrology that I reach for first. It gives so much more information about a situation.

Minderwiz
17-03-2004, 00:39
PS

I forgot to ask - What books did you buy??

Astraea
17-03-2004, 00:50
Dolphinprincess, you are so right -- astrology is fascinating and endlessly rich and involving. There couldn't be two more complementary fields of study than tarot and astrology: whatever is learned about one enhances understanding of the other, and in tarot decks which are specifically related to astrology (such as the Thoth, though there are hundreds of others), the correlations become even more dramatic.

I am retired now, but was for 33 years a professional astrologer. In 1988, I began to study tarot and discovered how reading the cards alongside the chart could facilitate insight into clients' experiences. I found it especially helpful to use tarot with horary charts (horoscopes cast for the purpose of answering specific questions), especially those concerning relationships and emotions. For me, it works best to study the chart first and then explore the cards for nuance and subtle levels of detail. It will usually be found (indeed, in personal experience I have never known it to fail) that the cards both confirm and enliven discoveries made via the chart.

While the astrological chart is a graphic two-dimensional representation of the sky at a specific point in time and space, the visual impact and imagery of tarot make for a very distinctive impression on the psyche. And while astrology involves a detailed understanding of mathematics and astronomical phenomena, tarot offers direct access to the intuitive levels linking the stars to the symbolic realm. There couldn't be a happier marriage -- best wishes on becoming the uniter of these fields within yourself!

isthmus nekoi
17-03-2004, 03:39
For any issues regarding timing, astrology is far more specific. I also prefer astrology in terms of having a quick psychological sketch of a querent.

I find for immediate situations, tarot can provide a faster deeper connection to getting the gist of what is going on in a querent's life although that might just be my reading style. Also, it's a lot more portable. You can take a deck anywhere w/ease - readings for others can be very fast, spontaneous, face to face.

dolphinprincess
17-03-2004, 05:13
Well, your responses definitely reinforce my newfound interest in astrology! I was just so surprised at how I felt when I started reading my first book... It was one of those "AHA" feelings... like "this just feels right"...

Minderwiz, I find that I, too, like the reason behind astrology..

The book I am reading now is by Kevin Burk (Astrology - Understanding Your Birth Chart).

I also have Secrets from a Stargazer's Notebook (which was recommneded to me years ago by an astrologer), Predictive Astrology, and Planetary Triggers....

Any other suggestions?

:D :D THANKS!!!

(edited - I also ordered that book Surviving Your Saturn REturn.. I am approaching 29 1/2 and I am definitely feeling it!)

Minderwiz
17-03-2004, 08:58
l Have the Kevin Burk book - it was the text that really got me started on the road to traditional approaches - though I had already begun to use the traditional rulers before I read it.

If you want to pursue the traditional route Lee Lehman is one of the best exponents - her Classical Astrology for Modern Living is a really good book, if a little demanding.

If you want to take a more modern approach, Stephen Arroyo has some excellent texts, other good authors would be Tracey Marks, Alan Oken or Liz Greene.

There are of course lots more - there are far more books on Astrology than Tarot - I would suggest that its worth looking at both traditional and modern approaches and then reading in more depth about the approaches and areas that attract you most.

Indigo Rose
17-03-2004, 09:06
Congrats Dolphinprincess on finding the GREAT study of Astrology! I use both but for different reasons. I find that Astrology is more scientific and I appreciate that with a Virgo Moon. Tarot taps more into my psyche and creative intuition. Both are indispensible sources of wisdom and help to me.
Enjoy your learning. I am always seeking to know more about Astrology, though it is very complex.
Blessings,
Indigo Rose

dolphinprincess
17-03-2004, 09:58
Originally posted by Indigo Rose
I find that Astrology is more scientific and I appreciate that with a Virgo Moon.

I also have a Virgo Moon.. :D

***Also,

Minderwiz - Thank you very much for the book recommendations. I know, as with every subject, there are many good books - and also a whole lot of "fluff"... Its sometimes hard when you start exploring a new topic to make sure you are reading the former and not the latter... !

Stupid question (beginner here!).. What is the difference between Modern Astrology and Classical Astrology???

THANKS :D

Mystic Chris
17-03-2004, 10:45
Hello dolphinprincess!

Good to hear that you're getting into astrology, my favorite occult subject.

I have been studying astrology much longer and more in depth than tarot. But a friend who's gotten into a tarot-deck-buying-spree, has revived my interest in tarot.

I would use astrology to see the bigger picture. And like Isthmus, I would use tarot for right-then-and-there readings. Tarot is so much easier to do on the spot than astrology.

On the other hand, astrology seems more like a science, which I suspect will eventually be accepted by academia. It might be a stretch of a thought, but Western astrology (as opposed to Eastern astrology, which is way too deterministic) is almost a hybrid of astronomy and psychology.

Like you, I have a lot to dive into, and I know I'm going to enjoy it!

:)

Minderwiz
18-03-2004, 01:13
dolphin_princess,


As Mystic_Chris indicated there are several 'branches' of Astrology. The division I referred to is in 'Western' Astrology, that branch which most of us think of as 'Astrology'.

Briefly, Modern Astrology is the approach developed in the last 50 - 70 years or so. It is heavily influenced by psychology and tends to analyse natal charts and events such as transits or techniques such as progressions, in terms of the psychology of the subject and the environmental influences on him or her. It incorporates the outer planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto as sign rulers and tends to see these planets as being of significant psychological importance. A lot of the practioners tend to work as counsellors, or have some qualifications in psychology or psychiatry. However it is probably the dominant form at the moment and many people are unaware of the traditional strand or regard it as outdated.

The traditional branch tends to look on Astrology as unconnected with psychology, being a 'science' in its own right. There is an emphasis on the techniques used by Astrologers from the earliest times through to around the seventeenth century. There are techniques included here that are really not used by the modern Astrologer - Astraea in her post referred to Horary Astrology, which is used, amongst other things, to answer questions posed by clients - rather like doing a tarot reading to answer a question but using a horoscope instead. There are also techniques relating to 'Elections' - not will George Bush win in November but issues such as when should I start my new business, or what's a good date and time to get married (assuming you are engaged to being with :) ). The traditional branch keeps to the 'old' rulers of the signs, thus Mars rules Scorpio not Pluto.

The boundary between these branches is not necessarily clear cut. You will find many Astrologers who have started out on one side or the other and either crossed over or begun to combine the two approaches. Liz Greene and Rob Hand are good examples of Astrologers who came to Astrology through psychology but have begun to take a real interest in the traditional techniques - especially Rob Hand.

Both approaches can be and are fruitful, I think much depends on the Astrologer as an interepreter anyway - some Astrologers find the symbols easier to read from a traditional viewpoint, others from a modern viewpoint and some combine both.

As well as Western Astrology, you will also find much on Hindu or Vedic Astrology and Chinese Astrology. Vedic Astrology has links to Western Astrology, as it derives from the Astrology of Classical Greece (taken to India by Alexander the Great) - but substantial development over the years means that there are now significant differences between the two. However unless you want to learn specifically about that, I'd say ignore it till you feel confident in Western Astrology. Thereafter there is much of value that you can gain from looking at other approaches to Astrology.

Hope this helps.

dadsnook2000
18-03-2004, 07:34
Minderwiz did provide a nice overview. You do have to keep in mind that the pursuit of astrological knowledge and skills is a very big undertaking. Once you get a handle on the basic meanings of planets, signs and houses, transits and progressions, and aspects -- you will be reading your first charts. It's a real "rush" to confidently state your views and have them confirmed.

However, thats just the start. By then you'll be hooked into a life time of learning, exploring, study, excitement and book-buying on a scale that makes tarot deck collecting seem like kids play. You'll join groups, go to seminars and adopt a strange form of talking called "astro-babble."

You will likely find that its desireable to explore numerology, history, and other occult studies in order to deepen your grasp of astrology. Software will become an obsession, along with report writers. Soon one room full of bookshelves and stacks of charts that won't fit into filing cabinets will not be enough. You'll need more room, more time, less intrusion by family and friends.

Thats when you'll be certified by some terrible label. Your only comfort will those of us who will be there to welcome you. Good luck on your journey. You'll never regret it. Dave.

Minderwiz
18-03-2004, 07:54
(Un?)fortunately Dave is totally correct - once you become addicted there's no stopping :)

I second his comments from personal experience - but it's an incredibly enjoyable journey that you've set out on. Also there are enough addicts here to swap astro-babble to your heart's content and explain the bits you're not sure of. :) :)

dolphinprincess
18-03-2004, 09:14
Thank you so very much for such in-depth responses to my question. I really appreicate it :D

Astrology feels like a much greater undertaking than Tarot ( *to me* ) .... and I know there is much to learn... but I truly am excited to study.. I look forward to pulling out my books when I get home from work..

I thank you for the encouragement! :cool:

.... My book addiction is going to love this.... }) })



~ DP

TemperanceAngel
18-03-2004, 16:38
Originally posted by dolphinprincess
The book I am reading now is by Kevin Burk (Astrology - Understanding Your Birth Chart).

Hey! I got that one too, love it! XTAX