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jlbvt
24-03-2004, 04:10
I hope this is the right forum. If not... :TCHAR ;)

I am curious about trying Bach Flower therepy, and I wonder if anyone can suggest a good reliable dealer in the U.S. that I could buy from online.

Do you really have to take the drops 3 times a day?

How long before they start working?

Which specific flowers do you have experience with, and how effective are they?

Can anyone reccommend a good site where they have very detailed explanations of which flowers do what?

Thanks,
Joan

Diana
24-03-2004, 04:35
RedWood knows of a good dealer that sells Healing Herbs which are as good, if not better than the original Bach Flower Remedies made by Nelsons. Please beware of cheap copies!!

No, not three times a day. Minimum four drops four times a day. They can be taken with your meals or put in your tea, fruit-juice, or in water if you prefer to take them that way. It is an urban legend that one cannot take them at mealtimes and you will see this inaccuracy written in many books because many books are just copies of other books and they copy each other's mistakes.

They normally start working immediately. They are so effective that you wonder why the whole world doesn't use them. But very often you won't even notice the change. You'll think "these are not working" because they work so gently. And one normally only notices when things are wrong - when things go right one finds it normal. It is often other people who will notice the change in you and point it out.

I have experience with all the flowers. They need to be chosen with great care and accuracy or else they will not work.... and you will say "these things are for the birds". Do not choose your remedies with on-line questionnaires. Ask someone with experience to help you choose them. I am here to help you - PM me if necessary. There is also Astraea who takes my breath away with her knowledge of these flowers. I hope one day I will know them as well as her. But I don't know if she is available for people to PM her about this. Bec is also extremely knowledgeable.

Did this help?

Astraea
24-03-2004, 05:15
Hi, Joan. I buy Healing Herbs essences (which are Bach formulations, but considered by some to be purer than those made by Nelsons) through the Flower Essence Society (a US distributor). The web address is: http://www.fesflowers.com/

Diana is very kind, and far too modest -- she is a trained and certified flower essence practitioner, with her own practice. While I am certainly open to a pm about the essences, Diana's wisdom and expertise are first-rate.

Moonbow
24-03-2004, 05:34
Originally posted by jlbvt
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Can anyone reccommend a good site where they have very detailed explanations of which flowers do what?


As for a site - I have found this one very useful:

http://www.bachcentre.com/index.html

I have also e-mailed them for information too - they always reply, and are very helpful.

Diana has also been very helpful to me - she got me started on my collection.

TemperanceAngel
24-03-2004, 16:54
I have just about finished my Flower Essence subject, HOORAY, and have used Bach remedies for over 10 years and as Diana says they are so gentle, or as I would say, subtle....

My fave one that I am using at the moment for study purposes is Elm, oh how I love it :)

There is a huge range of Australian Essences, Bush Essences, mind boggling stuff.

Astraea I never knew you were also a fellow Essence person, HELLO!!!!
XTAX

Astraea
24-03-2004, 22:05
Originally posted by TemperanceAngel

Astraea I never knew you were also a fellow Essence person, HELLO!!!!
XTAX
Hello, TA! Yes, I love the essences, too. They are so gentle, yet so effective.

jlbvt
25-03-2004, 01:45
Thanks to everyone for your input. I will check the suggested sites and pm with any personal questions.

jlbvt
29-03-2004, 11:42
Does a Bach remedy always work best as a combination of a certain number of elements, such as 5? Or could a person have a simple enough problem to only need one?


Does the remedy not work if you are missing a needed essence, but you have some of the appropriate essences?

Will the essences all also work if applied topically (rubbed into the skin) like for a child or pet, and is there a best place to apply?

Diana
29-03-2004, 16:46
Originally posted by jlbvt
Does a Bach remedy always work best as a combination of a certain number of elements, such as 5? Or could a person have a simple enough problem to only need one?


Does the remedy not work if you are missing a needed essence, but you have some of the appropriate essences?

Will the essences all also work if applied topically (rubbed into the skin) like for a child or pet, and is there a best place to apply?

1) It is rare that someone only needs one essence. In the homeopathic world, there are practitioners who are called "unicists" who only give one homeopathic remedy. But I have never yet met a Bach Flower unicist. HOWEVER: I do believe that we all resonate particularly with one of the essences, and if we take Bach Flower Remedies regularly for years, we will find that this Essence is needed repeatedly and over and over again. It kind of symbolizes our biggest hurdles which seem to recur in cycles.

However, if the problem is more of an event-type of problem, i.e.: I'm going to the dentist today and I'm scared; or "I have so much to do today, I'm panicking", or "I don't think I'm going to pass that exam I have to write today", then one Essence is most often enough.

But for deep-seated problems, no.

2) If you want to solve a problem, you can't solve it half-way... that would be self-defeating. It's like trying to make a sandwich either without bread or without something to put in the middle. You're not going to get a sandwich.

3) No, no. Not topically. Orally. You put a few drops of the original Essence (called the Stock Bottle) into a mixture of mineral water and brandy (brandy is necessary to prevent bacteria from forming in the water) and you take four drops four times a day (you buy a dropper bottle from a pharmacy) for a few weeks. If you don't want to use alcohol, then you'll have to remake your essences every four days or so, possibly more in very hot weather.

And you must never keep the old bottle if you are making up a whole new prescription. Always throw it away. This is very important! Because one never takes more than 6 (maximum 7 - I prefer 6) Essences at a time. And if you use the same bottle for different prescriptions, in the end the bottle has received possibly 38 different Essences and as the walls of the bottle will retain the energy and the vibration of the previous remedies, you end up getting the vibrations of all them and your body and mind and aura or whatever won't know what to do!

One can also put two drops of each essence in a small bottle of water and sip it throughout the day. But this way, your Stock Bottle gets emptied quicker. And I believe the former method (dropper bottle) is far more effective and it is the one I recommend.

TemperanceAngel
30-03-2004, 08:58
Originally posted by Diana
1) It is rare that someone only needs one essence. In the homeopathic world, there are practitioners who are called "unicists" who only give one homeopathic remedy. But I have never yet met a Bach Flower unicist.
Now you have, Diana! Myself, my husband, my mother-in-law and a couple of Naturopaths we know who have been prescribing essences for 20 years all like to take one and prescribe one.

Of course, this is not alwways the case, but we believe that mostly you can narrow down to one essence and would never use more than three.

Of course, not saying this is the way it's supposed to be done. I find it interesting how different countries differ in approach. We are reading papers on this at College at the moment (cultural, religious beliefs) fascinating stuff!

XTAX

Diana
30-03-2004, 16:59
TemperanceAngel: Thank you for sharing that. I used to go myself to a Unicist homeopath, but after a few years I decided to change as I found it not as satisfactory as I expected it to be.

But I am keeping my ears and eyes open and if I find five or six people who are willing to experiment the Unicist theory with me, I would be only too happy to try it out. But they would have to accept to be guinea-pigs. :)

We had discussed this issue during my training, but the conclusion was that it was not satisfactory.

Very very interesting.

TemperanceAngel
30-03-2004, 18:57
Diana, it is interesting. I am thinking with the naturopaths that they would be describing one essence along with vits or herbs or homeopathics, so essentially they would be taking only one essence, but not one supplement or medicine.

Does that make sense?

Do you sometimes prescribe one essence for a few days and then add another couple to it?

XTAX

Edited: Not add to the same bottle, but a different mix, letting the first one have a couple of days to take some effect first.

jlbvt
31-03-2004, 07:19
Thank you Diana. I know that generally people take drops orally, but I read that there are other ways can you use the essences, like for a pet or child, rubbing into the skin. (Like the rescue cream) My two-year-old has bad dreams sometimes, especially if his father is away on business. It's impossible to get him to take anything. I guess putting it in juice would work. Any ideas what essence to use for his nightmares? or just the rescue remedy?

I had no idea about not being able to re-use the (mixed solution) bottle. Good to know!
Joan

Diana
31-03-2004, 07:38
Joan: Indeed, one can give them to little babies and animals on their skin. And it would have some effect on an adult too. But taking it orally (especially sub-lingually....) is more effective for an adult. For little babies, one can also put them in the bath-water.

Putting the drops in juice sounds good. Or in food.

Rescue Remedy is good for nightmares. Because it has Rock Rose in it. I would not hesitate giving Rescue to a child who is having a nightmare. It can even just be dabbed on his lips.

But if he mostly has nightmares when Daddy goes away, there is an underlying issue there. However, it's not good to interfere with kids all the time... only if the problem is obviously handicapping them and the parents realise there's something "abnormal". It's tricky dealing with children - because what may seem a problem to us, is only part of their natural development.

All children go through a period of nightmares. It's up to the parent to use their intuition and common sense whether the nightmares are natural or not.

Do you see what I mean?

jlbvt
31-03-2004, 12:32
As long as his dad is home, he only has about one nightmare every 2 weeks. I think that is "normal." but I still would like to calm him down and help him relax if possible. I used to have horrible recurring nightmares in my childhood, and I would be terrified of going back to sleep afterward. I don't want him to suffer like that, although he seems to get back to sleep ok.

His dad is not sent out of town often, but when he is, it's for 2-3 weeks at a time. He may be picking up some vibes from me, since I get nervous about being in the house alone at night.

Diana, are you saying that if it's a normal stage for him, not to interfere?
Joan

Diana
31-03-2004, 17:14
Joan: I don't believe it is good to interfere too much with children. It's like with animals: you can't treat a cat who is trying to protect its territory for instance. Because that is instinct. You can't go against instinct.

My kid is thirteen now. He's starting to rebel. I'm not going to treat him for his rebellion. If I stop him from rebelling now, he'll rebel when he's twenty. I am however treating myself to help myself adapt and not to lose my patience, which would be very harmful to our relationship, as he must continue having confidence in me if I am to continue to support him through his adolescence.

However, as our children live in a world that is rather absurd and perverted in many ways, it is wise to keep all your three eyes open wide.

I remember my son going through a terrible time with nightmares when he was about 8 years old - he would wake up absolutely icy cold... and soaking wet with sweat at the same time. After the fourth night, I stepped in because I realised something abnormal was going on - it was most definitely a reaction to something that was traumatising him, and not just normal fears. (I gave him spagygic medicine at the time, which is probably not well-known in the States.)

If your kid is picking up on your vibes (which is probably very likely), you need to be treated, not only him. And he could be given the same remedy as you, but probably for less time. You should take Rescue Remedy as well when your husband is away. And also eventually treat more thoroughly your feelings of insecurity with something more specific so you could heal yourself.

Please PM me if you want to discuss this more.

Astraea
31-03-2004, 22:29
Although flower essences are based on homeopathic principles, I find them to be lighter and subtler than homeopathics; they also cooperate with nature and do not reinforce that which is inappropriate, unnecessary or harmful. So the "wrong" essence will simply be thrown off or dissipated by the emotional body. The discomforts of life passages can be eased through the use of the essences, with the result that transitions can be accomplished in a more integrated and less stressful way; the essences do not obscure or divert us from the needful conditions of life, but help us to cope and approach experience in positive ways.

I have found that Aspen works very well with nightmares, in addition to Rescue Remedy (as Diana says). And Walnut is wonderful for transitional stages of all kinds, including teenage rebellion.

jlbvt
04-04-2004, 07:23
Is there any specification as to the type of Brandy that should be used to preserve the essences?

jlbvt
04-04-2004, 08:22
A general (philosophical?) question here- if if you have some of these flowers growing around your home, will you feel the effects of their "essence" just being near them, or perhaps touching them?


Astrea, do you use Healing Herbs essences north American Flowers in addition to the original Bach Flowers, and what do you think of them?


Thanks everyone for putting up with my endless questions here! ;)
Joan

Astraea
04-04-2004, 08:38
Originally posted by jlbvt
Astrea, do you use Healing Herbs essences north American Flowers in addition to the original Bach Flowers, and what do you think of them?
I have used all of the flower essences from the Flower Essence Society (based in California), including their experimental formulas, as well as essences from Perelandra, but ultimately I have found that Bach fills every need, from the obvious to the subtle. Depending on availability, I either buy the Nelson's or Healing Herbs brand of the Bach remedies.

I suspect that simply growing the flowers in a garden would not have the therapeutic effect of a flower remedy, per se -- in the process of turning flower petals into remedies, they are potentized in a water bath in the sunlight (sometimes surrounded by crystals of particular kinds and shapes), which distills and focuses their essences.

As for the type of brandy to use, I am not particular about the brand -- I buy bottles in the middle price range, and I never buy the flavored kinds.

TemperanceAngel
07-04-2004, 10:49
Originally posted by Astraea
Depending on availability, I either buy the Nelson's or Healing Herbs brand of the Bach remedies.

I have never heard of these brands until this thread, are they available worldwide?

XTAX

Astraea
07-04-2004, 11:58
Healing Herbs' web address is http://www.healing-herbs.co.uk/. You will find a list of worldwide distributors on the site. Healing Herbs makes flower essences which are identical in composition to the 38 Bach remedies.

TemperanceAngel
07-04-2004, 12:00
Thanks! XTAX