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TemperanceAngel
07-04-2004, 11:43
The more I get into my course, the more I cannot wait until I study my Homepathy subjects.

I am unsure where this thread should be, but seeing as homeopathics are akin to flower essences I think that it can go here!

I went to the student clinic last week and saw the Homeopath, it was the first time I had done this. Being a student he took my case home for a week and tonight I will hear some of the results.

It truly was amazing, and I am sure it is one of those experiences that you need to be ready and open for, which I was.

I spent an hour and a half talking about my History since birth (great stuff, as a reader it's nice to be the one talking about themselves for a change!)

But what I am most interested in is Herings Law of Cure, which we talk about all the time at College. I thought I need to experience it, so that when I am talking to my patients about it one day, I will have a full understanding of it.

This is probably quite a personal question to ask, but has anyone experienced Herings Law of Cure themselves?

For those of you who don't know what it is and are interested it goes like this: 1. From top to bottom, so head downwards. 2. From inside out, so internal organs out to the skin. 3. From end to beginning, so the last symptom first and running back to the first symptom, in order. It could end up that the last symptoms is a dream.

Interesting, huh!

In Naturopathic Philosophy, we treat the cause, not the symptom and believe the one should never suppress symptoms.

I look forward to any responses and questions :) XTAX

www.netmender.net/health/articles/healing_crisis.htm

Edited to add the website

Aura Wolf
07-04-2004, 13:05
That sounds really interesting, TemperanceAngel. I don't know a lot about homeopathy, but my mom uses it a lot :) Congrats!

TemperanceAngel
14-04-2004, 09:49
Thanks for the reply Dead Star! I took my treatment just under a week ago and no change, no healing crisis or Hering's Law of Cure, nothing?? XTAX

smleite
05-05-2004, 00:19
TA,

Can I share my own experience with Homeopatics with you?

I had a skin allergy a few years ago. It started suddenly, and was terrible – a skin rash that made me look like I had been flagellated, and kept me from sleeping, since it got worse at night. I was given a powerful anti-histaminic to take daily, and, after some tests, doctors told me this could last a lifetime. But I wanted to have a baby, and I didn’t like the idea of being tied to this medicine during pregnancy. Or to be unable to take it, since a day with out it was hell…

After a year and a half, and since a friend of my husband is married to a Homeopath, I decided to give it a try. She spent hours with me, and, just like you, I told her my story from birth. Even my sleeping position, or my dreams, was considered in her examination. She then told me that homeopaths believe in healing the patient, not the disease – that is, we all have tendencies for a certain kind of disequilibrium, and that disequilibrium is what evolves to diseases. So, each person’s treatment should address her disequilibrium’s tendencies, a structural condition, before addressing the symptom. Of course, we get to the person’s own structure by studying the symptoms, together with her particular dispositions.

She then gave me what she considered to be my “structural” medicine. She gave me only one medicine, because she thought my case was very clear; she said I had a good self-consciousness, so was able to state things in a clear manner. Some people can be hard to treat, because they are not good “story-tellers”, in what regards to giving an accurate account of their ailments and their general predispositions. She also gave me a single dose of a very high dilution – that is, in Homeopathic terms, she gave me a very strong medicine. She believed I could handle it, and said that she thought I was the kind of person that reacts better to strong and fast treatment. But she warned me of possible side effects: maybe some kind of violent emotional reaction, or strongly vivid dreams.

That very night, I took the whole bottle. Then, I had the most amazing and terrifying of dreams. A “dream” is the best word I have to describe it, but till this day I believe it really happened. I do! I had a terrible fight with a spectrum that woke me in the middle of the night, there in my own room. When I woke up, the skin rash was gone.

This happened about 3 years ago, I already have my baby, and never again took an anti-histaminic.

TemperanceAngel
05-05-2004, 11:32
((((((smleite))))))

Thanks so much for sharing your wonderful story with me (and AT), it truly is wonderful....

Because I am at the student clinic, they don't always get it right the first time. They gave me a high dose and nothing happened and I so wanted it to....

I have been back and talked more and given them more to think about and will be back next Wednesday, so shall report if anything happens.

What age is your baby now? XTAX

smleite
06-05-2004, 02:02
TA,

My baby (Mariana) is 19 months old. Amazingly, she developed a minor skin rash, that doesn’t bother her (just bothers me…), and is slowly disappearing. I don’t tell this to doctors, but I somehow believe it is related to my own story.

I am looking forward to learn more about your personal experiences with Homeopathy.

TemperanceAngel
06-05-2004, 16:40
Originally posted by smleite

My baby (Mariana) is 19 months old.
I am looking forward to learn more about your personal experiences with Homeopathy.
You must be so happy and proud of your little one....
I will let you know how it all goes, you have given me some inspiration that Homeopathy will heal me :) XTAX

Arnaud
13-05-2004, 10:13
Your story is interesting smleite, and i am glad that you are now in full health. At the same time, homeopathy is not something to be considered blindly, and anyone interested to switch to this medicine should take some time first to learn more about the history of this discipline, and the rather strange science pretending to be behind it (or rather, the absence of science). A short but complete overview can be found here http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html , and is interesting. Even if the MD behind this text maintains a quite aggressive stance against it, his points are still valid. It s one thing to go into a metaphysical path (such as Tarot), but it is another to rely on unproven sugar dilutions })
In any case, the ideas behind homeopathy (to take into account the body as a whole) seems really interesting, and lacking in today symptomatic medecine. But it seems that, in spite of this nice idea, the suggested remedies (sugar + water) that homeopathy offers is not up to the task, at least on scientifically proven grounds.

Arnaud

smleite
15-05-2004, 01:51
Arnaud,

I believe Homeopathy is not for everybody, like Tarot isn’t. For many people, I am sure that Tarot is just an unproven sugar dilution – or much worse. To go into a metaphysical path such as Tarot, and benefit from it, implies that one has opened a door to something more than what we can see and measure. To take benefits from Homeopathy is probably akin – you need to have a door open to something “extra”. No matter how much time or pain is takes to open that door, it has got to be opened.

scorpio
15-05-2004, 03:33
i have had so much success with homeopathy over the years i thought i would comment here, one of the dog trainers at my job had the vet determine that shiloh had a non cancerous tumor that they would wait several months to remove when joey had the money. i suggested to joey that we do an herbal/homepath combo first then resort to surgery afterwards since many times tumors will grow back. After two bottles of enchinea/goldenseal/wood betony and two doses of thuja 30c the tumor was gone (herbals are to to be used in caution with knowlege i.e. enchinea can accelerate certain auto immune problems). Another coworker's boyfriend had a beagle who in spite of phenobarbitol had a frightening grand mal siezure that after calling the vet he recommended euthanizing the dog next time. Patty called me in tears and immediately followed all instructions, using homeopathic magnesium and switched to high fat diet and added whole cooked oats (nervine) with blackstrap molasses (excellent food source of magnesium) and the dog has been fine. My knowledge of this art was not sufficent enough to treat the severe vertigo i sustained after a car accident, and i was lucky enough to find an excellent homepath who has helped cure that condition when the doctors pretty much did nothing and charged a whole lot more. i have been seeing the homeopath monthly since the accident, my monthly cycle is so much easier, and little things like my hair had stopped growing for several years and when i complained of this to the homepath, voila all my friends are like your hair is getting so long!

Arnaud
15-05-2004, 06:29
Aahah, a nice homeopathy discussion ;) I am not a believer in this therapeuthic (was obvious i guess :-)), but i am not vehemently opposed to it either. The fact is, there is as of today no scientific proof of it having any benefit, when double-blind tests (the standard method of testing for any new drug) of highly diluted substance are performed. The same is true for Tarot efficiency, as smleite said, and well, i am comfortable with Tarot, so i completly acknowledge the fact that sometimes, reason isn t the only guide :laugh: But what i find disturbing is not that people are relieved by it. It is the fact that some homeopaths (not all, but big homeopathy drugs companies are particularly guilty of that) are deliberatly misleading people into accepting their claims as scientifically proved. This is not the case, and should not be used as a mean to lure innocent people into their offices }) Having said that, i am really happy to read that you all have seen your health improved, by any way you choose !

Arnaud

TemperanceAngel
16-05-2004, 10:45
Tarot isn't scientifically proven either....

Homeopathy fascinates me, and besides from my use of Arnica, my knowledge of Homeopathy is minimal in a sense, although I do know its History and Origins.

My sister made me laugh the other day, as I told her I had been at the Homeopath and she asked, "What's that?" LOL, she is a radiographer.

It's funny how now that some herbs are starting to be proven they are being taken more seriously, and the simple fact is they have been used in this same manner for hundreds of years...our society has lost a lot of trust.

I still believe that Homeopathy works on (partly) an 'intention' principle as well, although I know there are others on this website that would disagree with me.

*shrugs shoulders and sighs...it's not for everyone...*

Thanks scorpio and Arnaud for joining in :) XTAX

TemperanceAngel
16-05-2004, 10:46
Originally posted by Arnaud
It is the fact that some homeopaths (not all, but big homeopathy drugs companies are particularly guilty of that) are deliberatly misleading people into accepting their claims as scientifically proved. This is not the case, and should not be used as a mean to lure innocent people into their offices })

What companies and what countries, if you don't mind me asking as I would be very interested to know, and could even bring it up at College })
XTAX

Arnaud
16-05-2004, 15:30
Homeopathy drug companies (for instance Boiron : www.boiron.com) claim that homeopathy is linked to a "water memory" phenomena. They claim that this phenomena has been scientifically established. Actually, a french scientist (Jacques Benveniste) tried to prove the existence of this phenomena in a article for the Nature magazine (a highly respected scientific one). Due to the really strange claim he put forward, Nature sent at his lab a team to reproduce the experiment, and check the results, using the traditionnal double-blind procedure (i won t go into details here, but the main goal of this procedure is to prevent the scientist which is manipulating the data to know if they come from the control sample or the tested sample, to avoid any unconscious bias in the measurement - or any fraud).
The extraordinary results were unfortunately not reproduced, and the mysterious "'water memory" phenomena was shown to be a flaw in the original experiment of Benveniste. But the claim didn t die, and is still used as of today by homeopaths, despite the absence of proofs. I have nothing against them, really }), but they should moderate their propensity to claim scientific evidence of water memory when there is no such a thing, as of today. I am open to a possible new experiment, in the future, that would show they are right. But up to this moment, i am really reserved :-)

Arnaud, fighting with english grammar & syntax :-)

TemperanceAngel
16-05-2004, 15:38
Originally posted by Arnaud
Homeopathy drug companies (for instance Boiron : www.boiron.com) claim that homeopathy is linked to a "water memory" phenomena. They claim that this phenomena has been scientifically established. Actually, a french scientist (Jacques Benveniste) tried to prove the existence of this phenomena in a article for the Nature magazine (a highly respected scientific one). Due to the really strange claim he put forward, Nature sent at his lab a team to reproduce the experiment, and check the results, using the traditionnal double-blind procedure

Oh yes, I know all about that, it was not disproven or proven in all honesty....

XTAX

Will check out website, we don't have that brand in Australia.

lunalafey
16-05-2004, 15:43
The fact is, there is as of today no scientific proof of it having any benefit, when double-blind tests (the standard method of testing for any new drug) of highly diluted substance are performed.

One thing to keep in mind- Homeopathy is not stricktly about 'drugs'. Homeopathy is healing by way of treating the body, mind and soul. That is why there is a need for a persons life history. Plant essenes, minerals, viatmins and such are used in combination with conseling if needed.

There has been scientific studies done on herbs/medicines. For example, willow- a chemical compound is extracted to create asprin. Other chemical compounds are added as well. Asprin causes stomach problems. In it's natural state, willow has the perfect make-up for a pain reliever that won't hurt the lining of the stomach. The combinations of compounds work together, seperating them is where the trouble starts.

TemperanceAngel
16-05-2004, 15:49
Absolutely luna, holistic healing and synergies are wonderful. Science doesn't understand or have the answers for everything, but I do agree it's great sometimes to have something 'proven', it helps with the values of belief systems....

XTAX