Only 12 Real Psychics in US? HA!

[Wishcrafter]

I just have to vent a little, I was watching Crossing Over,Last night and he had a guest Psychic on at the end, she said that
there is really only about twelve real Psychics in the U.S. ,maybe
she meant, only twelve that make a six figure income.

Well, as you can tell I am mad, I don't claim to be a real Psychic,
I just get some thoughts and feelings. I think I could be, as I think
anyone could be if they worked at it.

When I was first drawn to the Tarot, I was told that no one could
read for themselves, either. Well, I sure get some pretty darn
accurate readings and as I've heard so do alot of you. It just so
happened that the woman who told me that, worked in a shop that did readings.

I think it's the same with this woman (psychic?). Why would
she want to shut everyone else down, who may have something
to contribute to the world.

I just can't believe John Edward let her say this on his show.
He always says anyone could do what I do, which is a great
statement coming from someone with his abilities, so highly
tuned. Any thoughts?

[Bella]

That is interesting, since John Edward does say that anyone can cultivate their psychic ability, and even has made audiotapes for this. I wonder how this woman defines a "real" psychic. Do you think she really meant truly gifted mediums (like John), rather than psychics?
Hmm, you're right, it does sound as if she's putting people off trying. But I wouldn't hold this against John Edward, guess he was just allowing her to state her own opinion. (BTW, did he agree with her?)

[Umbrae]

Do you think John Edwards is a real psychic? On the other hand, is he a “Cold Reader”? I have always been very skeptical of him.

I know of other “Psychic Entertainers” who are not psychics. One even wrote a very very good book on palmistry, but he has told me that he can make more money as a psychic entertainer than he can as a magician. So he markets himself as such.

I have watched him [John Edwards] work the gallery many times and wonder with a critical eye…

[purplelady]

I'd rather watch "Seinfeld", ;) I find him much more entertaining than John Edwards. (they're on at the same time).

[lunalafey]

Originally posted by Wishcrafter
I just have to vent a little, I was watching Crossing Over,Last night and he had a guest Psychic on at the end, she said that
there is really only about twelve real Psychics in the U.S. ,maybe
she meant, only twelve that make a six figure income.



The question arises, WHAT is a real psychic?...
John Edwards, I wonder about him, like Umbrae said a 'cold reader' He is very good at what he does, what ever it is, many people go away from his sessions with a new light in there life...
Sylvia Brown ? Did you know that she charges about $400 for a half hour phone reading...Her son is cheaper, half that..
we all know what's up with Ms. Cleo..
I have always understood that being a real psychic means not using your gift to make money,It's a gift. GIFT! once gifted always gifted. It did not cost them anything for it how can they charge for it..
The local radio station here has a show where 2 psychics take calls and answer question.
When I first heard it was comming I thought, oh great, sarcastically. So of course I tuned into the first show and listened...They seemes very sincere to me. I continued to listen over the weeks. One day I contacted them. An event in my life that happened over 3 years ago was still knawing at my heart and soul. I called and got a hold of one, explained my need. My dog is involved in this, she gave me her partners number and said that she was better with reading animals.
I contacted Anna. I figured an appointment would be set up, but no, she went right to work. Being the cautious capi that I am, I was careful giving her info. We spent about an hour on the phone, she NEVER spoke of payment. And she was so helpful, confirming what I had already felt, giving me a bigger picture and filling in some of the gaps. She even told me this event caused my psychic ability to kick into a higher gear..WOW!!
didn't expect that..
Was she for real? seems to be, she knew things that I only thought I knew.

[Phoenix]

Im a bit skeptical of him too, but who knows. I only know that I cannot do what he claims to do. I wish that my limited psychic ability was sronger.

[truthsayer]

WHO was the guest psychic that made this outrageous claim? a few names cross my mind but i'd like confirmation. of course, her assertion is preposterous and stinks of raw ego at work. what better way to make money as a psychic than to invalidate the inherent abilities we ALL have to greater and lesser degrees.

[truthsayer]

btw, her claims shows her glaring LACK of psychic ability. if she were truly psychic she would know everyone has latent abilties. i'd like to hear her explain where she got her information. did she go out and research this herself? what makes HER such an expert on who is and isn't psychic? what are her credentials? i'm outraged w/ you, wishcrafter. why don't you email john edwards and complain? i'm sure you can find an official website for him somewhere on the net. i may even look myself!!

[Tarotbear 2]

I only saw 'Crossing Over' once, on it's other network before it went 'national' I was very, VERY skeptical of what was going on...although it could be because just before the show the network had a debunker show and someone trained a news person to do exactly what Edwards does, and the phoney psychic had many people in the audience convinced that he, like Edwards, was receiving messages from 'beyond'.

" I see an older woman who name is Mary...." yeah- really specific.

[blumoon]

Originally posted by lunalafey
I have always understood that being a real psychic means not using your gift to make money,It's a gift. GIFT! once gifted always gifted. It did not cost them anything for it how can they charge for it..
i have to disagree with you there lunalafey :(
what about a gifted pianist who wishes to play in a famous orchestra, but if they offered him/her a wage should they refuse it because they have a gift and shouldnt accept money for using it? or should a gifted computer analyst not charge per hour for his/her services? what about a gifted photographer? as long it is a fair amount, unlike Edwards who i think now charges $300, when he first started out he charged $150...hmmm...if a giifted psychic doesnt want to charge that's cool but if they do i dont think it should be held against them :)

if anyone wants Edward's web address its www.johnedward.net

p.s did you know his real name is John Edward McGee?

:)

[lunalafey]

blumoon
OFFERING someone money for their ability is one thing. Setting a price is another.
One should get payback when one invests in an education to further develope skills that come naturally.

[Wishcrafter]

Hello, Bella

No John Edward didn't agree with or disagree with what she said.

I don't really know if he's real or if there is a trick to it, but I do enjoy watching him and would be sad if it were so.
My husband knew of someone supposedly on staff at the
show, that said they made all the gallery people fill out a small
questionaire about themselves, before they show, that sounds
suspicious ( but I don't know if that is the truth either ).

I do think that he has done a pretty good thing, he's brought his abilities out in the open and has made many people feel more
comfortable, whereas in the recent past, what he is doing was
associated with satanism or evil and the dark side of the Psychic
realms.If he is proved to be false, it will be very very bad,there are so many people who hope,yet fear to believe.

I am sorry I didn't get her name( the psychic ) my son would'nt
go to sleep, I did'nt know the woman would hit me with a Zinger
like that. If you find out, let me know, so I don't unwittingly buy
something she wrote.
Blessings ALL

[Tarotbear 2]

Maybe she meant there are only 12 overpaid, overcharging, self-proclaimed psychics in America.

[Umbrae]

I have to admit, John Edwards is a lot of fun to watch, he is a brilliant showman. He has also done a lot of free advertising for the rest of us, creating a resurgence of interest.

…And yes, and Tarotbear2 stated, perhaps the psychic was merely stating that there are only 12 others who are legends in their own minds.

[Bella]

Hi everyone:
just on the topic of John Edward himself. I was originally very skeptical, but not anymore.
i know someone with a relative who works as his office staff. One morning when she went to work he had a message from her deceased mother about something that no one would have known. (I heard the story, it really is something no one would have know!) She works with him, and she is convinced that he is real.
I also saw him do a reading in the gallery for a woman who lost her (adult) son, and he started describing a bar where the son had been ( i don't recall exactly what happened). it turns out that she is from my neighborhood, and this was a bar near where i live. It was very accurate.
you gotta wonder...

[lunalafey]

How come these big name gifted folks arn't helping to solve kidnappings or murders...It's not a matter of using the ability in a courtroom, it's finding the evidence that could convict...Lots of living loved ones are getting relief from 'hearing' from those passed on via these mediums.
What about those that REALLY need closure...

[faunabay]

Originally posted by lunalafey
How come these big name gifted folks arn't helping to solve kidnappings or murders...It's not a matter of using the ability in a courtroom, it's finding the evidence that could convict...Lots of living loved ones are getting relief from 'hearing' from those passed on via these mediums.
What about those that REALLY need closure...


Actually lunalafey, I think there are quite a few psychics helping the authorities when they (the cops) will allow it and believe them!!

[faunabay]

Originally posted by lunalafey
blumoon
OFFERING someone money for their ability is one thing. Setting a price is another.
One should get payback when one invests in an education to further develope skills that come naturally.

We've talked about this very things in regard to tarot. Some people take you more seriously if they have to pay for the advice/reading.
Somebody (I can't remember who) posted a thread about this. She was getting very frustrated because people were having her do readings and not listening to the messages at all. Some thought it was because they were for free and so not important the in querents mind. ????? Just a thought. :)

[lunalafey]

Originally posted by faunabay

Some people take you more seriously if they have to pay for the advice/reading.
Somebody (I can't remember who) posted a thread about this. She was getting very frustrated because people were having her do readings and not listening to the messages at all.

This is very true. Beautiful painting for $10, sits there, put a $100 price tag on it, it's out the door.
If someone is seeking a reading or such, then they want to listen, and are willing to pay..
Then there are those that are drawn by the romance of it all. They will pay for the entertainment but disregard the reality.
Asking for money is different than accepting money.
I don't know if it's wrong or right, I have only read it in several different books. As I said, I have always understood....
If these psychics want to charge money, it's on them. And If they are going to charge so much then why not give something back. There are people out there that need this kind of help but don't have that kind of money to get it.

I will try and find those books, I still have half my things in storage, alot of them books because I need another bookshelf.

[All Is One]

This is such an ancient topic for debate- and there are many of my books where I was kind of turned off by the tone in which the writer huffed "of course, when you are still learing to read the cards, payment should not
be expected. . .but as you try out your readings on family and friends you shall quickly become profficient enough to offer readings worthy of payment."


Are these writers on glue?
Are they trying to justify the unknown number of real rip-off "new age"
products they may be marketing under completely bogus company titles
through mass marketing, multi-media scams?
Some day when it is appropriate, I'll post a seperate thread and share my horrible and degrading experience with answering an ad that asked simply
"Local Tarot readers, and Tarot Students forming a new group- call if interested. . ."

Anyone who ever heard of the name they used then must have turned against them- they changed the company to "The Silver Unicorn "

Ugh- I feel sick thinking about that.
I absolutly agree with Luna in her opinion that charging a non-barter, hard cash reward for what is, (or should be) ,
essentially a healing, - in the spiritual, not mundane realm-
is at the very least, EXTREMELY compromising to the
actual achievement of the basic goals involved with the ideas and motives
of a healing/ reading experience. . .

"if these psychics want to charge money- it IS on them."

There have always been those who do readings because they get as much reward in the same kind of coin- as those they are sharing
the experience of a reading with. . .
and in centuries past (when some things were more civilised)
the midwife, the witch, and the local doctor himself- all helped
who ever was in need- and often much later, found fresh baked bread
or handmade quilts on their front steps for years to follow.

[lunalafey]

Ah it feels good to know I'm not alone..
If I was so good that I could bring home a missing child, and see a mother's relief, That's priceless.

[lunalafey]

Originally posted by faunabay



Actually lunalafey, I think there are quite a few psychics helping the authorities when they (the cops) will allow it and believe them!!

Yes, I know there are, some walk in to the cop shop begging to be heard. Do ya' think they asked for money ?
Some places are open minded enough that they have one on payroll. Do ya' think they applied for the job ?

[All Is One]

Hey Luna- check us out~~~~all of our "peace, love and understanding"

shot all to h*ll because we are so totally against the fraud and the fools who

believe they are justified in offering free help or even expensive help-


AND WE KNOW THE HELP IS FLOWING ONLY BACKWARDS. . .

into the pockets of people who promote those like "Miss Cleo" who probably

once had some real skills (maybe still does-) but who let herself

become a puppeted clown for a money- making machine.



I don't fit into any version of society's definition (even one as educated in these issues as that of A. Tarot*LOL*)

Never have considered myself a psychic, an empath, tight rope walker, or fire-breathing dragon.

I may have a well-developed ( not innate- but it doesn't matter- ) ability to tune into people and influences around me, and in fact it has , until the last 5 years, created immensely more pain and trouble than it ever gave me any sense of a "gift" / skill.

Being moody, incredibly sensitive, and tuned to other people rather than
Self can be a real problem

(please don't any one use the word
CO-D*******T any where near me. . .thanks.)

We sure can work up a full head of steam, though- I was laughing to read back over this thread-

and serious too.