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fkark
29-12-2004, 03:36
Greetings from Canada,

I'm looking for insight into something I'm wrestling with on my natal chart.

A 6th house Neptune in Scorpio squares a 10th house Aquarius stellium.
Neptune is opposite the Taurus asc. therefore creating 4 t-squares all pointing to the stellium.

Am I correct that with t-squares you look at its opposite angle (in this case the 4th house) in where to focus energy?

All is see when I look at this is the Asc (mask?) and Neptune (illusion?) squaring a career. Wrong job? A facade?

Greatly appreciate any insight.

dadsnook2000
29-12-2004, 03:58
The T-Squares are "drivers" to accomplish something. Their meaning, in a general sense, derives from the three aspects involved: 1) the opposition, 2) the opening square, and 3) the closing square. Once you understand these dynamics the rest is easy.

The opposition (Neptune opp. Asc.) is confrontation, projection, partnering and reaching out -- a conflicting set of keywords if there ever were any. The polarity recognizes "self" and "not self". We know ourselves, supposedly, but often don't know others. We can project qualities upon them which we are looking for -- but they may not accept them or act accordingly. This leads, often, to confrontation -- we often fight that which we don't understand. On the other hand, we may be intrigued by the "not self" or the "other" and wish to establish a rapport or partnership of some kind and depth. This is what polarity is all about, a cyclic approach to things. For you, Neptune opposite the Asc. angle can involve "fear" of the unknown, or intrigue with "entertainment, illusion or showmanship, etc.", or a capacity for seeing others in an idealistic light, or trying to form a partnership with a dream or with an ideal (religion, phillosophy, social cause, etc.). In fact, you may do all of those things to a greater or lesser extent.

Remember, when we have options, we tend to exercise them all.

Neptune forms a square to your tenth house planets. We don't know which they are but we can assume they might be any planet except Pluto. If so, they all move faster than Neptune so Neptune will be the anchor point and those planets will be "opening" squares. This suggests that they will offer challenges to how Neptune expresses itself in terms of partners and joint efforts. Sun, for example, would continually push for Neptune to recognize facts and truth -- goals would have to recognize what was showmanship and what was just hope, smoke and mirrors as wishes.

The 10th house stellium would be a "closing" square to the ASC angle, picking up the 10th house meaning. They would be trying to establish and be recognized for their accomplishments. They would be a source of visible pride and effort and their success in expressing themselves would have a direct effect on your personality and well-being. This, again, supports the 7th house Neptune placement -- you need to focus on what/who you are and not on who you appear to others or on what others appear to be for you. Be centered, be yourself, then relate to others from that context.

Dave.

fkark
29-12-2004, 10:32
Dave, thanks for all the info, really appreciate it.

Neptune being an anchor point to the 10th house planets is really interesting.
(there's 6 of them there, all in Aquarius, but only 4 make up the stellium) Neptune is actually in the 6th house according to my chart printout, not 7th. But still, alot rings true.

How does someone determine an "opening" square and a "closing" square?
Can it be visa versa when looking at a t-square?....as in this case, can the Asc to 10th house planets be the "opening" square and then a "closing" square with Neptune?

Fran

dadsnook2000
29-12-2004, 11:57
Think of the Moon phases, the Moon's movement relative to the Sun, Two weeks ago you could see a thin crescent in the evening sky, just after "new" moon. Then a little over a week ago you could see a half-disk or half of the visible moon -- this is actually the quarter phase of the Sun-Moon cycle when the Moon has completed only one quarter -- or its "opening square" to the Sun. Then, a few nights ago, you could see a full Moon -- the Moon was actually at its "half phase or half cycle" point. In another four days or so the Moon will present again only half of its illuminated face -- this will be the third quarter (or "closing square" phase) moon.

When the Moon is "growing" in its first half cycle, it symbolizes the bringing of energy and growth. Perhaps this is why gardeners try to plant after the new moon but never before the old/closing moon. After the Moon has passed its full phase and fully reflected the Sun's light and purpose, the Moon has to reflect on the work done and prepare for the next full cycle. This is the show and tell phase.

For the Moon, the Sun is the reference point. For all of the planets, any prior planet in the zodiac sequence that moves slower then becomes the anchor (or Sun) planet and the faster moving planet becomes the do-er (or Moon) planet. It is quite possible, depending upon the mix of planets, and very liikely that most of the planets in your chart can be both anchors and do-ers relative to what ever other planet you pair them with.

Now, for future homework, there are actually eight phases in the cycle that can be considered between any pair of planets. There is a meaning for each of the eight phases plus there is a specific key meaning for each combination of planets in each of those phases. Once you understand this simple scheme it is quite easy to look at a chart and ignore the detailed aspects, and just eyeball the chart and know what each planet/pair is doing. It really is easy. Dane Rudyhar wrote a book called the lunation cycle that explains it all. Others have expanded on the idea. If you are interested, this would be a worthwhile self-study project for you. Dave.

fkark
30-12-2004, 08:12
Dave,

Sounds very interesting. I'm going to do more research on this.

Thanks for the book recommendation.

Fran