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Stacie Doll
27-01-2005, 07:13
I have no earth signs in my chart @ all. Could that be a significator of conflict in my life because I am not balanced?

Minderwiz
27-01-2005, 07:33
Hi Stacie Doll,

When you say you have no Earth signs in your chart I take that to mean that you have no planets in Earth signs and neither your Ascendant or your MC are in Earth signs. Incidentally most of us have some imbalance here, though the extreme is relatively rare.

A lack of Earth could show up in a number of ways, as difficulty in using practical skills (such as you always burn the cakes), you might find that you are too busy thinking about things to do the week's shopping, you might feel that you aren't grounded or have difficulty feeling part of the material world. The feeling of being out of tune with the physical world can have it's advantages - you might be good at ideas, imaginative, see no limits on what you can achieve through your creative efforts or have a strong spiritual streak.

If you have't got any Earth placements then one or more of the other elements is likely to be very strong and this will give some further indication of how you do function.

It's also possible that you might be able to compensate for the lack of Earth Signs through significant placements in the Second, Sixth and Tenth Houses, often referred to as the Houses of Substance. I usually interpret such placements as indicating that the skills are learned through life as you interact with the world, rather than being innate. You can learn to be practical - you might not perfect the skills but you may improve them to a point where they are about average. So look at your placements in the Houses of Substance.before you write yourself off as imbalanced.

Stacie Doll
27-01-2005, 09:33
Thanks for replying!

When you say you have no Earth signs in your chart I take that to mean that you have no planets in Earth signs and neither your Ascendant or your MC are in Earth signs.

Yes, that's what I mean.

A lack of Earth could show up in a number of ways, as difficulty in using practical skills (such as you always burn the cakes), you might find that you are too busy thinking about things to do the week's shopping, you might feel that you aren't grounded or have difficulty feeling part of the material world. The feeling of being out of tune with the physical world can have it's advantages - you might be good at ideas, imaginative, see no limits on what you can achieve through your creative efforts or have a strong spiritual streak.

I find it hard to get things done. I am very imaginative and have a lot of ideas but I struggle executing them. I procrastinate alot but my Mars is in Aries? I feel like I have alot of energy but don't know what to do with it.

It's also possible that you might be able to compensate for the lack of Earth Signs through significant placements in the Second, Sixth and Tenth Houses, often referred to as the Houses of Substance.

My second house is in Scorpio, 6th in Pisces & 1th in Cancer.

Minderwiz
27-01-2005, 18:29
Hi Stacie

Mars in Aries may indeed give you energy, the need to assert yourself, the need to take a lead - however that need requires some practical outlet - There's a quote from King Lear - ' I will do such things - what they are yet I know not - but they shall be the terrors of the Earth' The energy's there but the practical outlet is not quite in focus and they don't get done.

The Second House deals with material issues like earning a living, making things, interacting with the material world, the tenth with career and place in the world and the sixth with routine day to day work and/or the management of employees and others. All practical things - do you have any planets in these Houses? The sign does have an effect but even if they are Water signs, placements may well indicate that they will play an above average role in your life and that therefore you will learn to deal with these issues, even if only enough to get by.

Stacie Doll
27-01-2005, 22:48
Saturn is in my second house, the Sun is in my 6th house there is no planet in my tenth house.

Minderwiz
28-01-2005, 01:26
This should provide some compensation, but not enough to bring you up to 'average' overall. Practicality will be something you always need to work on.

ivyrita
28-01-2005, 01:31
astrology psychology and the 4 elements by steven arroyo is a good book on this :)

isthmus nekoi
28-01-2005, 01:58
You can always try to encorporate the missing element into your life. For example, I know someone w/no earth placements who is a woodworker. Very earthy!

I wouldn't say that you necessarily find yourself always ungrounded, (e.g. a person lacking in water does have emotions!!) it's only that this is an area that is more challenging and uncomfortable to you. Being patient, consistent, practical, conservative, grounded etc are all qualities that you don't feel immediately comfortable with.

Stacie Doll
28-01-2005, 02:11
I will check those out. Thanks.

Phaedra
28-01-2005, 02:17
I don't have any earth in my chart either, and only one planet in a water sign. Fire and Air -- that's me! I was raised by two Capricorns; no wonder we couldn't understand each other. My son is a quadruple Virgo; we are from different planets (pardon the pun).

You will always struggle with completion. Ideas and enthusiam will appeal to you more than concrete results.

I have to tell you, having someone explain my chart in these terms was one of the great AHA! experiences of my life. So many things I had struggled with suddenly made perfect sense.

Now, I'm going to put on my hematite necklace and bake some bread -- very grounding :-)

Stacie Doll
28-01-2005, 02:17
You can always try to encorporate the missing element into your life. For example, I know someone w/no earth placements who is a woodworker. Very earthy!

I wouldn't say that you necessarily find yourself always ungrounded, (e.g. a person lacking in water does have emotions!!) it's only that this is an area that is more challenging and uncomfortable to you. Being patient, consistent, practical, conservative, grounded etc are all qualities that you don't feel immediately comfortable with.

That reminds me, I have book about encoprating all of the elements in to your life. I forgot the name. I'll have to find it. Thanks.

Stacie Doll
28-01-2005, 02:20
I don't have any earth in my chart either, and only one planet in a water sign. Fire and Air -- that's me! I was raised by two Capricorns; no wonder we couldn't understand each other. My son is a quadruple Virgo; we are from different planets (pardon the pun).

You will always struggle with completion. Ideas and enthusiam will appeal to you more than concrete results.

I have to tell you, having someone explain my chart in these terms was one of the great AHA! experiences of my life. So many things I had struggled with suddenly made perfect sense.

Now, I'm going to put on my hematite necklace and bake some bread -- very grounding :-)

My brother is a Capricorn, & he has the attitude of "just do it already!" He thinks I am really lazy. :)

BlueLotus
28-01-2005, 02:31
I have no earth signs in my chart @ all. Could that be a significator of conflict in my life because I am not balanced?

I know where you come from. A missing element in one's birth chart can and will pose a problem unless you become aware of it, to metigate the influence.

You can become more 'grounded' by working in the garden for example, walking, and doing rhythmic exercises, learning from and connecting with earth-sign/practical down-to earth people, appreciating hard work and learning perseverance.

You may also want to meditate on the pentacle suit particularly the Ace, Queen, Knight and the 9 and 10, grasping their connotations and deeper meanings.

Stacie Doll
28-01-2005, 02:50
I know where you come from. A missing element in one's birth chart can and will pose a problem unless you become aware of it, to metigate the influence.

You can become more 'grounded' by working in the garden for example, walking, and doing rhythmic exercises, learning from and connecting with earth-sign/practical down-to earth people, appreciating hard work and learning perseverance.

You may also want to meditate on the pentacle suit particularly the Ace, Queen, Knight and the 9 and 10, grasping their connotations and deeper meanings.

I really love Mother & Father of earth from my deck. I keep drawing the Father of Earth (he relates to the king)specifically in my readings.

cSpaceDiva
28-01-2005, 07:24
I am another one with no Earth in my chart. I have no planets in the 2nd or 10th houses, but do have Venus in Pisces in the 6th house. I also read one time that having a lot of fixed signs can make up for a lack of Earth, but I don't get much help there either--only one fixed sign, and it is Moon in Aquarius.

Stacie Doll
28-01-2005, 07:30
I have 2 fixed signs, but both of them are on a cusp.

mooncat2
28-01-2005, 13:36
:)
I have no earth, either, and when I was studying astrology was fascinated to learn:

'that when a person lacks a particular element in their chart they will tend to overcompensate for that lack. In order to to experience what is not inherent in the self , one is drawn to manufacture it for themself or to bring that element into their lives.'

Many of those who lack earth are very materialistic and preoccupied by financial security but that one never sat very well with me. However

: many of my friends are earth signs.
: I married a farmer and have spent a lifetime working on the land and with animals which I love.
: I love nature and have created a beautiful garden.
: my spirituality is very earth centred.
: I know I have a deep need for emotional stability and a structured life - change throws me into turmoil.

All of these things give me the grounding and security I lack.

cSpaceDiva
28-01-2005, 19:51
Many of those who lack earth are very materialistic and preoccupied by financial security but that one never sat very well with me.
I don't consider myself materialistic, but financial security is important to me. And I work for a financial institution. :) It could also be why I like to amass, I mean collect, tarot decks.

I think it's interesting that we've only had comments from people who lack earth. Is there anyone in here missing a different element?

isthmus nekoi
29-01-2005, 02:20
hey Space Diva,

I've got another earth-lack story from a friend of mine. Nothing in earth, not even a major angle. She's an interesting case, very capable in the "earthy" realms - she loves to ride horses, is obsessed w/making her apartment all Martha Stewart, cooks very well. She also flies planes (escaping earth) and has a sky-high debt! The other day she was telling me how much debt she was in, and then sent me a letter w/new fancy personalized return address labels (impractical, unnecessary expense). She'd just bought them. She's like that. The earthy Capricorn in me was crying, "WHY???"

On the other hand, I have a lack in water unless you count my Scorpio Uranus conjunct a Scorpio MC. I'll be honest. Before I came to ATF, I thought all this "psychic" stuff was bunk, just nonsense and I couldn't stand people who were overly sensitive and cried a lot. I just didn't understand it. Suffice it to say, I don't think any of that is silly now.

mooncat2
29-01-2005, 15:00
.....and I couldn't stand people who were overly sensitive and cried a lot.

ROLFLOL! That was me! No earth but way too much water! At this crone stage of my life I think I have overcome it.....mostly!

cSpaceDiva
30-01-2005, 15:03
Before I came to ATF, I thought all this "psychic" stuff was bunk, just nonsense and I couldn't stand people who were overly sensitive and cried a lot. I just didn't understand it. Suffice it to say, I don't think any of that is silly now.
Yep. I have lots of air, so it took me a long time to get past the idea that something has to be logical in order to be true. Then once I did get past it, I never looked back!

Stacie Doll
04-02-2005, 17:42
I looked up my birthchart again & I noticed something I never had before. There is a part that says Chiron, Pallas Vesta & Fortuner. Chiron is in Taurus & Pallas is in Capricorn. It also says south node in Capricorn. Does this mean there is Earth in my chart? What do Chiron, Pallas & ect represent?

isthmus nekoi
05-02-2005, 00:07
Chiron and Pallas are asteroids. I personally don't use them for chart interpretation but some do w/good results. South node, like the ASC or MC is not an actual body, so I wouldn't count that as a strong earth placement. Even with these earth placements, I would still consider your chart as lacking in earth, or at least, very weak in earth.

Minderwiz
05-02-2005, 00:25
Chiron is actually a 'Centaur like object' - it has a very eccentric orbit which, I think from Memory extends out beyond Pluto and then comes closer than Uranus.

Chiron was the Centaur king, who was both immortal but wounded. It is often used as a symbol of the 'wound we need to heal' but the symbolism can go well beyond this.


At one stage it was thought that Chiron was actually a planet, following it's discovery in the mid 70s. Hence there was an extreme interest in its astrological significance. However the growth in interest seems to have stemmed once it was realised that it isn't a planet.

As Isthmus says there are many that get good results using it and there are several articles per year in the Astrological magazines.

Stacie Doll
05-02-2005, 00:49
Thanks guys!