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I somehow ended up with the voyager tarot, and i don't know if i like it.....
this is a weird deck, it's not something i would choose but it's here now because it wanted to go with me.
now what? keep it? trade it ? wait and see what it has to tell me?
any collectors and or users of this deck that have opinions about this weird deck?
kaz
You will never believe this Kaz, but that is one deck I am not interested in owning *LOL*. Ohhhh my!!!! Just thought I would shock you with that *LOL*
say what jewel ??? you, not wanting a DECK?
falling of chair here..... /me shocked, unreal, no can't be...
kaz
This is one deck that I have wanted for a long time.
it was destroyed in a flood i had in my basement apartment.
each tarot picture in itself is supposed to be a complete tarot deck teaching to itself but all those pictures were very confusing to me as i couldn't feel the complete tarot card itself too many impressions.
THE BOOK IS A MUST and WHAT A BIG BOOK IT IS :O
and even with the book it was hard for me to me study
which is not to knock the tarot itself as no reader feels an affinity for every deck as it depends on the reader taste, knowledge where they are at as a reader and etc.
should you wish to purse the voyager tarot futher here is a url ..
http://www.voyagertarot.com/products/startree.html
for 125 you get a 400 page book (doesn't look like the book that came with the deck when i got it but i bet it has the same information)
it adverties inpretation for every card
150 readings you can do
and most importantly for self process
a transformation study process guarnteed to change your life
and a tape album with 17 hours of live classes by dr james wanless for 125.
both courses the book and tapes for 200
and it is set up you can be certified by correspondance
and there is a voyager thread i havne't check yet in the general study group forum
phoenix, if i dont like it, i might trade it.........but its dutch.
thanks holmes for the links, i will check.
little update, i picked a card from the deck to show me how my day was.
got the 4 of cups, this deck does know, so it might have something to tell me. so for the time being, i won't trade it. i'll see what happens, i might come to like it in the end, who knows...
kaz
mooncat2
31-05-2002, 20:49
Kaz, Give it some time - its a very overwhelming deck at first. And accept that its different - thats what I like about it. I went to a Voyager 3 day workshop and one of the things they stressed was to not try and read a card using all the symbols - there are just too many. Let your eye be drawn to one and work from there.
I hope you grow to like it - its not my favourite but I use it quite a bit and find I read quite well with it. Its also good at providing a second perspective to a reading particularly your own.
Blessings
truthsayer
01-06-2002, 00:00
i have the voyager but seldom use it. the main reason i keep it is b/c he delved into jungian archetypes and personality theories. i think it's one i'll get into studying once i stop collecting all these other decks! ;) i can't read it w/o the book but if you are patient enough to read along w/ the book until you get a handle on the multi-dimensional collages then i think it will get easier. the interpretations in the book are pretty different from most of the tarot books i own-but nice interesting different. just focusing on one item at a time is the best way to read it. it's definitely not a traditional tarot and that makes it more difficult to adjust to. i always have these inner tapes of all the meanings a card can have but when i look at the voyager i go blank. i've started thinking of it more of an oracle w/ tarot ties and that helps the brain freeze since i'm not expecting to see certain things anymore. it's like throwing the baby out w/ the bathwater and starting over w/ a new baby and fresh bathwater. it's the same idea but there's such major changes that keep the deck from being entirely what it's claimed to be. afterall, no 2 babies are the same. did that make any sense whatsoever? LOL
oh that's just swell, truth... I had absolutely no desire to get this deck, and you had to go and tell us that it uses Jungian archetypes. In very recent weeks, by a remarkable coincidence, I have discovered that I have a great interest in Jung. :P
The one professional reading I had was done with this deck, and I didn't likw the look of it then, either. But that was a very long time ago (I was 12 or 13). I think it would befuddle me, all those overlapping images rich in symbolism...
You know, I've always had problems with Voyager -- I found the multiplicity of images overwhelming, I missed a single recognizable image on each card, and I just couldn't seem to grasp what many of the card meanings were trying to get across.
However, this morning I took it out and did a reading for myself with it, using Mooncat2's 8-card spread, and it turned out to be the best reading I've done in a long time, maybe ever. It gave me a lot of information that I really needed.
I tend to be very logic-oriented when it comes to card definitions, I want to understand what the author/artist was getting at and use that when reading. I knew that the best way to approach this deck was to simply go with whatever the pictures suggest and forget about an overall meaning that stayed constant for each card, but for me this was easier said than done. But today for some reason everything clicked. I think the key is to give yourself permission to use anything when interpreting a card, whether it be a single image on the card, or a mood drawn from the card as a whole, or just the keyword, or the concept described in the guidebook.
One thing I found helpful for understanding the Minor cards is Wanless's book "Strategic Intuition for the 21st Century," which approaches the cards from a business perspective. The meanings given for the Minors are much more down-to-earth and applicable to real life than the meanings given in the guidebook that comes with the deck or in "Way of the Great Oracle." The Major and Court meanings aren't so helpful, because they relate more directly to business applications.
For example, here's the meaning given in "Strategic Intuition" for the 2 of Crystals:
"Take your time
Get feedback
Learn from others
Re-vision and re-think
Observe
Put yourself in another's place
Watch out
for not being swift enough
for waiting too long."
I find this sort of writing much easier to grasp than the high-flown language in his other books.
Mooncat2's spread and Voyager make a great combination!
-- Lee
thanks for all your comments. lee, you just made me decide this deck stays. i already thought it should, but your post did the last little bit i needed.
i am still kind of baffled why this deck is in my house, it's a no-way for me in art, it's collage which i don't really like, that's a major reason not to own it for me. all cards are so full of things/symbols it's like a forrest where you don't see a tree. the cards are huge and sticky, cardborders are some undefined beige color. can i say this without getting my head chopped of, but this deck is almost ugly imo, so why did it end up here???
kaz
Originally posted by Lee
I think the key is to give yourself permission to use anything when interpreting a card, whether it be a single image on the card, or a mood drawn from the card as a whole, or just the keyword, or the concept described in the guidebook.
And there's the rub. I have this "talent" for seeing many aspects to anything in front of me (can you say "quintuple Libra," kids?), not just when looking visually at something physically present, but also when someone is arguing a point, when trying to decide between multiple possibilities in all kinds of situations... Oooh, but maybe if I learn to grab an image or two and run with it using this deck, it'll positively affect my decision-making in other parts of my life too! Or maybe I am merely trying to come up with reasons to get more decks. Or I am waffling, or all of the above?
kaz, please let us in on your experience with the Voyager if you read with it. If you become converted to it, I'll probably bite too.
qolus,
i don't think i need to be converted, if a deck this "ugly" and not at all my taste artwise, can get itself into my house, have me wondering why it's here, i draw one card from it and it screams the truth in my face, and have me decide it stays.........lol, it has converted me already without any trouble.
so, i might suggest you should get it....as it somehow has to tell things, anyway, that's my idea about this weird deck.
go and get it.
kaz
When I first saw pics of the voyager deck I did not feel drawn to it but then it happened that I got it in a trade and boy, I fell in love with it! I did not use it in a reading (lack of time) but I took out some cards to communicate with them and it gave me an interesting inside to my interpretations.
SherryZoned
10-06-2002, 16:08
When I first saw this deck I wasn;t all that interested in it...But then I went to my favorite store Borders Outlet..Guess what was there for only 5.99? Voyager Tarot..So of course I had to get it..It did come wiht a small book..There were only 2 copies so I had to get one for me and one for my S.O. I really like the cards now that I don;t see it online...I have yet to do a reading..
Originally posted by Kaz
i am still kind of baffled why this deck is in my house, it's a no-way for me in art, it's collage which i don't really like, that's a major reason not to own it for me. all cards are so full of things/symbols it's like a forrest where you don't see a tree. the cards are huge and sticky, cardborders are some undefined beige color. can i say this without getting my head chopped of, but this deck is almost ugly imo, so why did it end up here???
~chuckles~ slowly but surely Kaz ... no worries I will keep this seat next to me at taro-holics vacant for you :P ... that deck has not made it and will never make it to my house unless someone sends it to me as a gag-gift just to make me eat these words *LOL* (Faunabay don't you dare!). For some reason this is one of those decks that I would not want to take home even if it were free ~glances over at Kaz just to make sure she did not have a heart attack at hearing that~
SherryZoned
10-06-2002, 16:51
Wow Jewel...You seem to really not like it..As you so stated in your post...Is is just the cards or the feelings you get from it??
lol :) , jewel, i think i took up on your offer of that free seat next to you :P
kaz
Angel Star
11-06-2002, 16:20
This is one of my favorite deck you just cannot get bored with it! To bad Kaz your not liking it as much as I do. I bought the book that helps you understand this deck better. I would just try and focus on one symbol in each card to try and better understand it. I love this deck! I especially like pulling it out when I am so bored with my other tarot cards. Maybe it will grow on you.[Voyager.com] now has a community posting like the this Forum but its fairly new. check it out one day. :)
Originally posted by RedWood
Wow Jewel...You seem to really not like it..As you so stated in your post...Is is just the cards or the feelings you get from it??
Well it is not that drastric RedWood *LOL*. It is the cards themselves, I just do not like the artwork. I find them cluttered and they make my head hurt *LOL*. I don't hate them, I just don't like them. I had a similar experience with the Victoria Regina and traded it to Truthsayer who loves the deck, and I am delighted she has it. Simply put, they are decks that do absolutly nothing for me personally.
maybe angelstar, maybe it will grow on me , i dont know yet.
i do know it talks to me as it was dead and dead accurate on a 1 card that i draw asking it "whats going on with me? "
so it stays, and i will see what it does for me, but i have other decks that interest me more atm. its not a popular deck here i notice......
kaz
lunalafey
10-10-2002, 17:50
I just found the complete set(lesson tapes and books) I can see what everyone means by the busy images. I like the imaging just to look at and now and then I may draw a card and see how it feels.
I was quite impressed with a few thing I did come across in the book. I will probably play with that more first.
I had seen it years ago at a friends house. The light wasn't great. My problem is that there seemed to be lots of symbols on 1 card. Hundreds maybe. :) But on other cards there seemed to be only a very few, like the 2 of crystals. He thought it was one of his prettiest decks. I loved some cards a lot but was disappointed how some had hardly any symbols to choose from, breaking the style of the deck up, while others had so many that were so tiny I went crazy for more light. I had decided I wanted 1 though.
I just got the deck in a trade and am very happy with it. I went through looking at the pictures without reading the meaning or numbering and was pleased to see how many I could tell what card they were. Some of the cards that looked so bare might turn out to be not so bare if I look closer. I like collages. What I don't like are artists that smear some color around as if I won't notice that they forgot to put something there.
lorettawitch
20-01-2006, 14:47
I just got this deck today, and I have a feeling it's going to be another "thoth" for me. When I first got the Thoth I was completely overwhelmed because the symbolism was completely different to what I'd used before, and it felt sort of alien. I bought <i>Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth tarot</i> by Lon Milo DuQuette (in case anybody needs help with that deck...LOL) and it was such a help in understanding the symbols and "story" behind the deck.
I think it's going to be the same with the Voyager tarot. I'll need the book for something to work from until I get used to them and then I'll strike out on my own when I feel confident and I've "bonded" with them. Sounds strange, but I often don't like a deck that much until I've been handling it for a few weeks and then it suddenly clicks with me. I'm a huge fan of the wierder decks (Thoth, Secret Forest...) but I used to stay clear of them because I was overwhelmed by the different symbolism. Now I've grown enough to realise that every deck is different anyway even if they have simerlar symbolism.
We have the Voyager, and I agree it's confusing. But for some things it's the only deck I can use.
Voyager tarot was is my first deck (given to me by my own piano teacher who was skilled in it). I agree it can be a bit confusing, but once you get the hang of it, it really is amazing. Not to mention how beautiful it is.