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Here's a game about houses and their meanings.
The rules:
Select a game or sport. Assign the game/sport to a house. Explain why that game should be in that particular house. Karma points will be awarded if the explanation avoids references to signs. I'll start off with a couple of games.
Peek-a-boo - 1st house
Peek a boo is a game usually played by an very young child and an older person, father, mother, sister, etc. The game has no rules and requires no equipment. At it's simplest, the older player covers his face/eyes with hands, and then peeks out and says "peek a boo." The younger player follows suit. The younger player will almost invariably carry this game to "the next level" by hiding being sofas or other large objects and then emerging to yell peek a boo. There is absolutely nothing competitive about this game. It's sole purpose seems to be to interface (the essential meaning of the 1st house) with the world.
Inasmuch as houses can signify the unfolding of time within the natal horoscope, this was a game I associate with the very beginning of life, which is another meaning for the first house.
Pick up sticks - 2nd house
A simple game where two opponents try to pick up as many sticks as possible. The sticks are slender sticks, pointed at both ends and similar in size to bamboo skewers used for bbq. Each player may pick up sticks so long as he doesn't move any stick other than one being picked up. If another stick moves, his turn is over and the opponent may pick up sticks. The game is started by dropping the sticks. Some will roll out to the edge of the playing surface and are easy to pick up. But the majority will clump into a pile and manual dexterity is required to move the stick off the pile so that it can be picked up.
I associate this game with the 2nd house because the equipment and rules are so simple. Yet, the game introduces the idea of both rules and competition so it is a step beyond the very fundamental game of peek-a-boo. Also, this game is all about manual dexterity. It's manipulating matter at a pretty basic level. Nothing fancy...just pick up those sticks. The second house is ruled by the planet Venus and it's sigel is the baked potato (contrary to what you've read). Therefore "hot potato" is another game that fits nicely with this house.
dadsnook2000
10-06-2005, 05:44
THE COURTING GAME -- the 8th house
Relationships are often associated with the 7th house, while love is tied to the 5th house. So, why should the courting ritual be associated with the 8th house?
Courting is often initiated by the male -- or at least he thinks so. Part of this process is expressing the value one finds in the other -- the 2nd house of the 7th house (also known as the 8th house). Another part of the process is that of bestowing gifts -- the 8th house in addition to all of its other attributes is also the house of "unequal sharing" -- gaining one thing for another thing. Physical gifts for an emotional response? An older man giving wealth/status for the attention of a younger lady?
So, in the narrow way I've framed this statement, courting can be an 8th house game. I'm sure with a little thought that we can frame aspects of establishing a relationship such that we can relate it to other houses, but that is what astrology is all about. Have fun with this. A nice idea, Wizzle. Dave.
Well, darn it Dad, if it hadn't been for your post about the importance of houses, I never would have thought of this game at all. I really need to excercise my noodle about the meaning of the houses without clouding it over with "the signs."
prudence
10-06-2005, 07:44
the 3 legged race - 7th house
2 people are tied together by their ankles, right leg of one person to left leg of other person. Teammates must work together as one unit to run a race against others tied in the same manner.
7th house deals with partnership, so it seems like the right one for this "sport"/game.
isthmus nekoi
10-06-2005, 14:05
binge drinking games - 12th house.
See what hidden thoughts and emotions suddenly surface. Watch the archaic "reptile brain" come out and play.
Good observation, IN
We could make this a specifically AT game by knocking one back every time someone mentions their sun sign. Should keep us fairly snozzled.
Astrid, I think you are right on with the 3 legged race. When I thought about a 7th house game I thought more in terms of one on one competitions. But your observations about the need for cooperation are waaaaay better than my take.
Moongold
11-06-2005, 08:07
Football, hockey basketball, softball - any team game - are played in the 11th House. Watch out for the windows folks :)
The 11th house is the house of groups - where we gang out with people who have common interests - and in early life I used to love team sports, especially hockey. In sports we can get together with a collective purpose and it can be fun.
prudence
11-06-2005, 08:12
king/queen of the hill
~ kids clamor to the top of a hill or mound, and shove each other out of the way to be the one at the peak of the hill/mound, and crowned king/queen
10th house because it is the house of social status and achievement, "I am King of the mountain!"
spin the bottle
~people sit in circle, with a bottle in the center, lying on its side. The bottle is spun, and the person it points to after it finishes rotating, the spinner must kiss.
5th house, since it is the house of romance and pleasure
dadsnook2000
11-06-2005, 09:16
I thought Moongold's comments on the 11th house were just a wee bit to glib and quick, not enough substance. So, to play with everyone's heads, I'm going to introduce us all to another way of looking at a "house", if you'll be so accomodating, Moongold.
The 11th house is the 2nd house of the 10th house. Got that everyone? If you start at the 10th, its 2nd house is the 11th. Simple counting but a little mind-blowing the first time or two. So, the standard meaning of a 2nd house implies security based on personal effort. THIS MIGHT EQUATE TO TEAM BUILDING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF A COACH. The coach of a team builds team capabilities as an extension of his own skills and values. Got it?
The 11th is also the 3rd house of the 9th house. Counting again from the 9th house. The importance of education and preparation (a 9th house thing) and staying informed reminds me of A CHESS MASTER. So, the 11th house Chess Master would study past games and study his opponents and carefully prepare for each match.
The 11th is also the 4th house of the 8th house. Count. Here caution about investments and preparation for the future seems important. Perhaps in this case we can see the 11th representing A WEIGHT LIFTER who has to be very precise in his body building and cautious about joints and bones and tendons.
The 11th is also the 5th house of the 7th. Sharing and creativity with others so that they can achieve -- this is suggestive of ARCHITECTS COMPETING FOR A CITY AWARD.
By now you can see how this goes. Each house is a place where it can be reflective of many types of experience. It all depends upon how you link it to another house. Most astrologers use rulerships as the basis for linking. As an example, you have Mars in the 3rd and Mars rules the Aries 7th. The seventh house would be the 5th of the 3rd. Mars would work creatively thru communicative ways to influence others -- as one example. If you feel comfortable with this approach then play with it. If you are just beginning then merely recognize that there is a lot of sophistication ahead of you when you are ready for it. Dave. And Moongold, I didn't mean to pick on you. Just thought I'd test the waters to see who might be ready for some deeper games.
Moongold
11-06-2005, 09:45
I don't feel picked on at all, Dave :).
It means that the pesky 8th House in which my Saturn and Pluto reside is the 5th House of my 1st house.
So as an individual I can be quite creative and playful with Saturn and Pluto. I have Venus in Capricorn in the 1st House. If it wasn't for that Venus I'd be a dead troll :). Having Venus pulling the strings of those two guys is quite appealing. She' s already in a yod with Saturn in the 8th and Uranus in the 6th. (or Saturn in the 5th and Uranus in the 7th house of my first House.)
I already feel that I know Saturn well and we have frequent jokes together. Pluto is forever associated with Walt Disney in my mind and I have never been able to take him seriously.
Seriously however, where does this system come from? I know about rulerships of course and I have read your comments on this system before but what is its basis?
As I speak I realise that it is quite simple and logical - fairly creative in fact - and does give people a lot more options in using the House concept. I read somewhere - can't remember - that the Houses are much more important than the signs. Would you agree with that?
dadsnook2000
11-06-2005, 11:16
It is possible to practice astrology without ever using signs -- I know because I do it all the time and so don't most Sidereal astrologers. On a scale of 1 to 10; with planets being 10, aspects 10, houses 6 or 7, rulerships being 3 or 4, signs come in around 2, asteroids about -3, arabian parts and symbolic degrees and fixed stars around -5. I'm not opinionated or anything.
As to what I did with houses, that is called Derivitive Houses. While a few authors have noted this process the best definitive work on it is by Robert Pelletier, Planets in Houses published by Para Research. I had gotten to know Bob quite well over several years, along with Rob Hand (we all live in the same region). Planets in Houses is a detailed reference book, not a book you would read, and one which Bob said was the toughest assignment he ever took on. The book deals not only with derivitive houses but also deals with planets in each of the houses, but aspects between planets in houses and Sun-Moon combinations in all of the houses. Thats a lot of research and work. Dave
Moongold
11-06-2005, 11:47
Actually I have the book but have never looked at it. Bought it on instinct one night earlier this year.
It seeems quite complicated and what I said in my earlier post was wrong. Am going to have to spend some time with this book. :) I notice he has a Moon in the traditional third house, as do I.
dadsnook2000
11-06-2005, 12:43
As do I have the Moon in the 3rd -- very close to the IC, actually. The book is complex. If you knew Bob, you'd know that this book was very unlike him. He liked astrology to be simple, used Equal House, did secondary progressions but didn't care for mid-points and other methods. We split up after I went into Solar and Lunar Returns (precession corrected) -- I could predict what planets would be angular from just a description of an event. He couldn't deal with strange astrology that didn't care about signs and houses. But, he did have a very deep understanding of classical astrology. Dave.
prudence
11-06-2005, 13:09
in reference to you both, I had jotted down in my notes from a while back something that makes so much sense right now;
(3rd house)
"...harnessing our intelligence and sharing it effectively with others is the essence of the 3rd house"
Moongold
11-06-2005, 16:23
As do I have the Moon in the 3rd -- very close to the IC, actually. The book is complex. If you knew Bob, you'd know that this book was very unlike him. He liked astrology to be simple, used Equal House, did secondary progressions but didn't care for mid-points and other methods. We split up after I went into Solar and Lunar Returns (precession corrected) -- I could predict what planets would be angular from just a description of an event. He couldn't deal with strange astrology that didn't care about signs and houses. But, he did have a very deep understanding of classical astrology. Dave.
I am simply learning astrology now. I wonder whether I should persevere with this or leave it till later. You are not the first person to have said the signs are relatively unimportant. The more I read the more sophisticated it all seems.
There is another book by Victor Supportas on the Houses, and I might have a look at this.
Thanks for your help :)
isthmus nekoi
12-06-2005, 03:33
I don't think there's anything "wrong" or incorrect about your post, Moongold.
If anyone wants to jump in w/initial mpressions, please feel free. All opinions/levels are welcome here and we can't expect everyone to have the time to write lengthy posts or study astrology in depth :)
Hm, I can't seem to think of any more games at the moment that really match a house meaning. Does playing doctor count as a 6th or 8th house game? ;)
prudence
12-06-2005, 03:43
OMG Isthmus, I was going to post exactly that!! Doctor, a 6th house game, the house of health! Funny. (I chose not to since I had already posted one "sex" game, and didn't want to seem like my mind is only on one subject)lol
I'd like to say Monopoly, a 2nd house game (house of possessions, finances)...but realize that I don't think I can properly explain the game of Monopoly to our international members....other than to say, it is a board game in which buying up the most expensive realestate, and building hotels on it, without going to jail...is how one plays the game.
Yup, getting a game into a house isn't all that easy as it turns out.
I agree with Moongold about the 11th being "the" house for team sports. I was going to post that myself. But I think there might be a subtelty when it comes to baseball. Ya, there are two teams, but only one guy faces the opposite hoarde at any given moment with only 3 of his teammates, max, in support. We could give that some thought and maybe move baseball.
I emphatically put horse racing into the 9th house. Risk, horses, gambling, what more can you ask for?
And I humbly disagree with Dave about chess. It's 9th, not third house. Checkers is third....a simple game often played in the local park. Chess is not only a difficult game which takes a lot of study, it is played on an international level for major prestigio points. This takes the game out of the personal realm of the first 6 houses.
I had a heck of a time thinking of an 8th house game, but I think high risk sports like extreme skiing or Evil Kennival style biking might fit. They are dances with death.
Moongold
12-06-2005, 05:43
I think those kinds of sports which depend on special relationships may belong here. Thinking of ice-skating for example - where both parties work in a finely balanced relationship. Partnership is essential to succeed in this relationship but it isn't of the 7th House. Those RAAF air acrobatics squadrons also come to mind
Looking at Robert Pelletier's book, he describes the 8th House as the Housein which we are judged as to our performance in the ways of th world. He comments
This is a giving house, and when there is distortion in principle here, you take rather than give........Then there are sure to be serious problems in relation to your associates, your colleagues and your marriage. No House confirms issues more positively or negatively than the 8th House. It si life and death, sacrifice or indulgence, wealth or poverty, courage or cowardice, give or take. Through the affairs of the 8th House, or the House with Scorpio on it cusp, you will make the most significant commitment of your life
Pelletier goes on the say that the 8th House is the house of "indebtedness" - our obligations to others. So to lie successfully in this world we need to be in a mutually beneficial relationship.
To be honest I don't fully understand his premises, however.
Looking at Robert Pelletier's book, he describes the 8th House as the Housein which we are judged as to our performance in the ways of th world. He comments
Pelletier goes on the say that the 8th House is the house of "indebtedness" - our obligations to others. So to lie successfully in this world we need to be in a mutually beneficial relationship.
To be honest I don't fully understand his premises, however.
I have Pelletier's book and studied it some 12 years ago. Never did understand many of the concepts such as your quote then. I have a huge asto library which I'm trying to avoid so I"m not going to delve into his book at the moment.
Astrology is terribly seductive intellectually because the system is so elegant. I'm trying to attack it this time round on a more intuitive level. And I have to preen because I figured out that signs weren't all that important by myself before Dave swooped into to reinforce my observations.
But back to the really critical issue of games.
Golf goes into the 10th house. It's classy. So classy that when I was participating in the dreaded werk, most of our execs were playing the game with our customers. I'll not say just who our customers were, but I can say they bankrolled programs in the billions. Golf courses take up enormous tracts of land. Yup, earth on a grand scale. Minor execs lust to play with the big boys. Ambition, real estate, social climbing all rolled up into a single sport. I rest my case.
Moongold
12-06-2005, 07:17
OK - glad to hear some reinforcement there. I think I need to know a lot more basic stuff before I can fully understand Mr. Pelletier's ideas about the derivatory system.
With regard to the 9th House - possible games might be things like charades, Pictionary, some computer games -games you teach others and work with material that can be educational.
Maybe even quizzes like Trivial Pursuit would fit in here.
What do you think?
Moongold
12-06-2005, 07:46
I thought Moongold's comments on the 11th house were just a wee bit to glib and quick, not enough substance. So, to play with everyone's heads, I'm going to introduce us all to another way of looking at a "house", if you'll be so accomodating, Moongold.
The 11th house is the 2nd house of the 10th house. Got that everyone? If you start at the 10th, its 2nd house is the 11th. Simple counting but a little mind-blowing the first time or two.
The 11th is also the 3rd house of the 9th house. Counting again from the 9th house.
The 11th is also the 4th house of the 8th house. Count. Here caution about investments and preparation for the future seems important. Perhaps in this case we can see the 11th representing A WEIGHT LIFTER who has to be very precise in his body building and cautious about joints and bones and tendons.
The 11th is also the 5th house of the 7th.
By now you can see how this goes. Each house is a place where it can be reflective of many types of experience. It all depends upon how you link it to another house. Most astrologers use rulerships as the basis for linking. As an example, you have Mars in the 3rd and Mars rules the Aries 7th. The seventh house would be the 5th of the 3rd. Mars would work creatively thru communicative ways to influence others -- as one example. If you feel comfortable with this approach then play with it. If you are just beginning then merely recognize that there is a lot of sophistication ahead of you when you are ready for it. Dave. And Moongold, I didn't mean to pick on you. Just thought I'd test the waters to see who might be ready for some deeper games.
I imagine the planets still have primary importance. So if I have Chiron in my 11th, it could impact on just every area of my life, but more so depending on aspects and transits in the other houses. That is more comprehensive but what Pelletier seems to do is deal with aspects between the Houses themselves which is more unusual to me.
Moongold
12-06-2005, 07:55
Now the 4th Being the House of home and clan etc, we would be playing happy families with dolls houses et al, don't you thunk?
isthmus nekoi
13-06-2005, 01:38
Hungry hungry hippos and the 2nd house. This is a kid's board game where a bunch of marbles roll around and whoever "eats" the most marbles w/their hippo wins.
Singles tennis for 7th house! This emphasizes the "open enemies" attribution that often gets overlooked.
5th house I've always associated w/gambling and chance so I'd put playing the ponies there. The risk and horses seems a more Sag thing than 5th though...
I think you could make a case for charades being a 5th house game. The 5th is the house of self-expression and is associated with the theater. Just a thought.
Isn't there a geography game where Carmen somebody or other has to be found? That would be a 9th house game due to the foreign travel Carmen does in the game.
I want to put auto racing into the 1st. I don't have a good reason other than it seems so individual and "gladiator" like.
Dare I say it, Ouija board for the 12th. It IS a parlour game, after all.
And because guys make their living at it, poker in the 2nd. I know it is a gambling game, but those with the most skill usually win. I could be talked into another house.
I got a chuckle out of Hungry Hippos for the 2nd.