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This is prompted by Thirteen's inquiry on the Tarot Cards forum.
The Shadow Card is the card that represents the hidden or unknown aspects of self; the "dark" side of self; the side of self one denies or projects onto others.
The term "shadow" was used by Carl Jung to refer to those qualities.
To determine if there is a Shadow Card, one needs to know the Personality-Soul Card, which is calculated from the birth date.
The first number derived from adding the birth date is the Personality Card. The Personality Card indicates the lessons to be learned in the life. A 2-digit number is further reduced to obtain the Soul Card. The Soul Card indicates the soul's purpose.
A single-digit number is not reducible; thus it serves as both the Personality & Soul symbol.
For example, the birth date is added as follows:
***01
***11
*1979
*1991 = 20-Judgement = 2-The High Priestess.
Judgement is the Personality Card; The High Priestess is the Soul Card.
The Shadow Card for the 20-2 combination is 11-Justice. It is the card that is "hidden" within that combination of cards.
Mary K. Greer refers to it as the Hidden Factor Card or the Teacher Card. Her book, "Tarot for Your Self" discusses the subject. It is based on the work of Angeles Arrien on Tarot Lifetime Cards.
For a more thorough study, I highly recommend Greer's book.
Tried on my own birthdate:
**22
**12
1971
2005=7-TheChariot
Does that mean that this is my personality *and* my soul card - and that I don´t have a shadow card ??
Bec: Yes to the first question; no to the second :)
Your Shadow or Teacher Card is 16-The Tower.
All of the minor arcana 7's would serve as your lessons & opportunities cards.
I see the appearance of any of one's lifetime cards--Personality &/or Soul, Shadow, pip card(s) as tending to have a more than ordinary significance. That does not mean cards other than those have no or less importance. One may be actively working (or not) on that aspect; or it may be a confirmation of something achieved.
The study & the working with Tarot in this manner will expand the individual self-insight & enhance the general insight.
BTW: A friend of mine has the opposite configuration. She is a 16-7, which has no apparent Shadow associated with it; however, her Personality Card of The Tower has inherent shadow qualities because it is a "night" card. Interestingly, she is Cancer, which meshes neatly with all of it. Aleister Crowley referred to The Chariot as Mars in Cancer, & that does fit.
witchywoman
31-10-2001, 03:05
I've had Angeles Arrien's book 'The Tarot Handbook' for years and have always found it very useful. My birthdate adds up to 23, which is 5 - The Heirophant. I didn't realise there was also a shadow card so I'm pleased to have this to think about now as well. I'm guessing my shadow is 14.
Cheers
ww
For fear of being thought ignorant, but I can't see how you add them up. Do you add each idividual digit together, eg 1 + 1+ 1 +1 + 9 + 7 +9+ 1+ 9 +9+ 1? Or do you add:
****01
****11
**1979
**1991
_________
**3982
**111 (These are what I carried) and then add 3 + 9 + 8 +2? If so that's 22.
And where does the bottom date come from? Is that the year you are looking at, or is it a special year? I'M CONFUSED!
Kiama
Kiama, me is also ignorant.....
I don't get it too.
I add my birthdate (17th nov 1966):
**17
**11
1966
----- +
1994 => 1+9+9+4 = 23
Meaning that card 23 is Personality card (what card is numbered 23?)
And for Soul card: 2+3=5 (hierophant)
Questions:
1) how to calculate Shadow card here
2) what card is 23
That is what I make of it.
Meewah can you help out here please?
Kaz
ok , so I´m *not* the only one not getting this :D oh what a joy.....
I can answer kiama´s question:
1) date ****01
2) month ****11
3) birthyear **1979
4) a total **1991
1+9+9+1= 20
I don´t get the shadow card either....... my P/S card was 7 ........ how does that make 16 ??
And as for Kaz getting a total of 23........ well what then ?
uff Meewah - see what you startet ? Poleeeeeeccccce help out :)
bec (31 Oct, 2001 20:36):
ok , so I´m *not* the only one not getting this :D oh what a joy.....
I can answer kiama´s question:
1) date ****01
2) month ****11
3) birthyear **1979
4) a total **1991
1+9+9+1= 20
I don´t get the shadow card either....... my P/S card was 7 ........ how does that make 16 ??
I will look it up in the Mary Greer book ... I do not see how she is breaking your 7 P/S card to get 16 when your b-day adds up to 7.
And as for Kaz getting a total of 23........ well what then ?
Add 2+3=5 and both the Personality and Soul card is the Heirophant. As for a shadow card ... lets see what I get out of the Mary Greer book.
uff Meewah - see what you startet ? Poleeeeeeccccce help out :)
I am not Meewah but I am pleased to help out :)
I know next to nothing about this, but it looks to me as if the Shadow card comes from breaking down the Personality card again once you get to it.
For instance, my numbers are:
____7
___30
_1965
______
_2002
2 + 0 + 0 + 2 = 4
My Personality & Soul Card are # 4, the Emperor. If my numbers had reduced to a number greater than 22, I would add those together once again. So Kaz's number would be 5 (not 23), which would be BOTH her Personality Card and her Soul card since it is a single digit.
Say my birthday had been on the 20th instead of the 30th. then my dates would have reduced to 21. So my Personality Card would have been # 21, The World. But, since I can reduce it down to 3 (2 + 1 = 3 :) ) that would make card # 3, The Empress, my Soul Card. (Which, BTW, sounds like a great combo to me! ;) )
Shadow Card: The shadow card comes by breaking down the single digit number you finally came up with. My number is 4. What adds up to 4?
1 + 3
2 + 2
3 + 1
So, if you put 1 & 3 next to each other you get 13, Death, which is my Shadow Card. (Great...) There is no card 31, so that combo doesn't make a Shadow card.
This brings up a question I do have for Meewah or whoever can answer it: Since some decks count the fool as Card # 22, would the Fool be another Shadow Card for me?
So, for Kaz, you break down the 5 to see what additional combinations you can get:
1 + 4 or 14, Temperance
2 + 3
3 + 2
4 + 1
Temperance is the only combination of numbers that equals a card, so Temperance is your only Shadow Card, Kaz.
I'm sure there are better ways to have explained this, but this is how I see it. I'm hoping to be (gently ;) ) corrected if I'm wrong at any stage! Sorry for being so lengthy, but I hope this helps! :)
Peace,
Melvis
aaaarrrrhhhh :D that was a great help Jewel and Melvis - thanx a bunch !!!
I see how 7 get to be 16 = 1+6 (right?)
You defently inlightend me - thanx both of you :)
Thanks Melvis, I finally get it.
Kaz
Right, now I got it, I think. Here's what I think I've got right:
**07
**17
1984
____
2008 = 2+ 0+ 0+ 8= 10. My personality and soul card is Wheel of Forune. Or is my personality card the WofF and my soul card the Magician, cuz I have to reduce it to a single digit? Anyway, so that would make my Shadow card the Magician, cuz I reduce 10 to 1.
Is this right?
Kiama
Thank y'all for responding :)
Melvis: You've explained it well; thank you :)
With The Fool card, you are correct about it being regarded as the 22nd card.
I use the following guideline:
If the birthdate results in 4, The Emperor is both Personality & Soul Card; 13-Death, Shadow Card; 22/0-The Fool is also a Shadow Card.
If the birthdate results in 22, then 22/0-The Fool is the Personality; 4-The Emperor is the Soul;13-Death, the Shadow.
If the Personality is 13-Death, the Soul is 4-The Emperor; 22/0-The Fool is Shadow.
Any 2-digit number in excess of 22 is reduced because there are 22 Major Arcana.
As mentioned earlier, the Personality Card indicates those lessons to be learned in the life. All minor arcana cards represent aspects of the Major Arcana & as such, the pip cards act as Lessons & Opportunities Cards to the Personality Card. For example, if 4-The Emperor is the Personality Card, all number 4 cards would be used in this manner. When one examines those aspects or influences along with any of the Lifetime Cards, much can be learned, especially as they appear in daily cards or spreads.
Happy calculating, All!
Right, now I got it, I think. Here's what I think I've got right:
**07
**17
1984
____
2008 = 2+ 0+ 0+ 8= 10. My personality and soul card is Wheel of Forune. Or is my personality card the WofF and my soul card the Magician, cuz I have to reduce it to a single digit? Anyway, so that would make my Shadow card the Magician, cuz I reduce 10 to 1.
Is this right?
Kiama
____________________________________________________
10= WofF P card
1= magician S card
1+0 = 10 WofF shadow
0+1= 1 magician shadow
as I see it, you get 2 shadowcards.
otherweise yes you´re rigth :D oh my I think we got it !! ;D *see bec do a victory dance ´round her computer - her husbond beggin her to stop, afraid that the lovely sunshine will turn to rain* :-)
JustBlue
01-11-2001, 07:31
***7
**15
1982
----
is 2004___ 2 + 0 + 0 + 4 = 6
6 equals the lovers and is therefore my soul card.
And my Shadowcard is 1 + 5 The Devil.
Very strong opposites if I may say so, and relating to my life so far I feel I have gone trough my Shadow in my childhood.
And The lovers makes perfect sense as to the spirituality I have found and shaped and shape.
Perhaps I am changing Meewahs original meaning for the Shadow, but it just seems right to me. :)
Melvis ... if your b-day adds up to 22 then your Personality card is the Fool. Your Soul Card is the Emperor.
There was a reference as to the Shadow Card being what Mary Greer in "Tarot for Yourself" called the Hidden or Teacher Card. I was working with that book last night. I did not see a mention of a Hidden card ... and the Teacher card was based on the astrological chart and in my case was the King of something ... not a major arcana card. I will look this up again to explain the Teacher Card. Her profile of cards of personal importance are great and I recommend that anyone interested in this get her book and have a natal chart drawn up.
I am not sure about the Shadow Card ... now I am confused ...
MeeWah .... gentle correction :) ... the Lessons and Opportunity cards from the Minor Arcana come from the Sould Card. In my case that is 2 - High Priestes ... my lessons and opportunities lie in the 2's of each suit. (According to Mary Greer anyways ... I was working on this last night).
Kiama: Your Personality is 10-Wheel of Fortune; Soul is 1-The Magician; Shadow is 19-The Sun (it adds up to 10). Greer states The Wheel can act as a Teacher. I think that may be because The Wheel is about change, & through change one learns.
JustBlue: You've got the idea :) I am a 6-6, so 15-The Devil is my Shadow Card.
Jewel: Melvis is a 4-4, because his birthdate total of 2002 is added as 2+0+0+2=4. If the numbers add up to 22, then yes, he would be a 22/0-The Fool.
As for the Lessons & Opportunities Cards, I see what you mean--on page 18 of Greer's "Tarot for Your Self". On the same page, the Personality Card is described as indicating one's "...life purposes, aspirations and lessons to be learned". The Soul Card is described as indicating the "soul purpose and qualities that will assist...".
I see the personality as the means by which an individual expresses himself. How those expressions are manifested or not can indicate the lessons as well.
Bec: Oops--I'm so sorry, your post was inadvertently deleted :( but perhaps this will help?
According to your birthdate, you are a 7-7, Personality & Soul. A double combo indicates you would tend to be particularly focussed on your soul's purpose in this life.
The Shadow of 16-The Tower would indicate that it is through change that you learn. The change may be drastic or complete; or of some upheaval necessitating restructuring that you learn, see, etc. Or through events akin to revelations. It's where the expression of a "lightbulb being lit" comes from. Or on a larger scale, a figurative being "struck by lightening"--lightening being a symbol of understanding, knowledge, truth, etc.
*S* I did look a second time thinking "uhhh where did it go ??"
:D but you still answered my question - thanx.
I found the book on amazon.com - nothing comes up searching "at home" :(
Can´t find the deck your mentioning - is that absolute necessary with the book - or could I use whatever deck I choose ?
Kind´a feel like the child that wouldn´t stop asking " why this and why that " ;D
Thank God I´m not a cat *LOL*
Bec: Deck? I haven't referred to a deck :D Almost any Tarot deck would probably work; however, if the deck has Strength & Justice switched, an adjustment would need to be made.
*bec blushes highred in the face"
;D "It is based on the work of Angeles Arrien on Tarot Lifetime Cards."
Thourght this was a deck - damn no wonder I couldn´t find it anywhere *ROFL*
well who knows, maybe I *am* related to cats :)
JustBlue
02-11-2001, 10:53
I´m adding that book to my neverending list of decks and books I might get.
And bec, have you tried giving a search for Danich online bookstores?
You might just get lucky.
Okies as promised I made a mental note when working with the Tarot for Yourself book last night (Mary Greer) to follow up regarding the "Teacher Card". The teacher card is the court card that corresponds to your moon sign (there is a listing on her book where you fill things in based on your natal chart). I am yet to find anything about a "hidden" or shadow card mentioned in that book at all. MeeWah, could you please give me the page number where that appears? ... I am wondering if maybe I am working with an older version of the work book as I have had it for several years. Thanks!
Bec: If you hadn't asked "so many questions" in this thread, I wouldn't have learned so much from it! :D So don't apologize for asking them! :)
Meewah: Reading about the Personality and Soul Cards, it almost sounds to me like the Personality Card is more of an external influence...this is what you show the world on your life's journey. The Soul Card is an internal influence or strength. It is more personal, affecting the inner resources of a person.
Does this make sense?
I love this discussion, BTW! :) I have a set of bookends that have frames in them that I have on my desk. Since I have several decks that are pretty to look at (but I don't use for readings very often) I pull a card from a couple of these decks each Month and put them in the frames. Now I think I'll put the Emperor and Death in those frames so I can think about them and they can 'watch over' my readings.
Peace,
Melvis
Darn Melvin did you have bring up the "what you project to the world" card? *LOL* ... That is actually another card based on your astrological chart (accroding once again to Mary Greer) ... and the card is not a Major Arcanca either ... If I am not mistaken it corresponds to your ascendant ... I will have to look this up. I think I will post each of the different aspects and what they represent. I will post it on Monday.
Ohhhh and I agree ... this has been a great discussion!
You know...I think I'm going to have to break down and buy this Mary Greer book! I don't know much about astrology myself, but all these personal card correspondences sound too cool to not read about firsthand! :)
Although, once I read it I'll probably STILL have questions... ;P
Peace,
Melvis
Jewel: I am so sorry!! I erred in referring to "Tarot for Your Self" :(
While it does discuss the use of various Lifetime Cards, it is in "Tarot Constellations", Mary K. Greer's second book, in which she mentions the Hidden Factor Card & the Teacher Card; also develops the Lifetime Cards concept more expansively. It's been a while since I've used the books, & I mixed up the titles.
I prefer to use the term Shadow Card for the particular aspect(s) she referrs to as Hidden Factor or Teacher.
Again, I apologise for any confusion my error may have caused.
Melvis: You are correct. It can be said that in Tarot, the Personality Card is the exterior expression of the individual; how one interacts with the environment & presents the self. It is the aspect that would tend to exhibit the influence of the exterior world on the person. In Astrology, it would be comparable to the action of the ascendant or rising sign.
The Soul Card describes the qualities & the purpose of the soul; its essence in the particular life. In astrological terms, it would be comparable to the Sun sign, which is indicative of an individual's character.
Similar to Astrology where one is more than just the Sun sign but a composition of a myriad of influences from a group of planetary aspects, so is one in Tarot more than just the Personality or the Soul Cards. In deciphering the various correspondences in other cards, it is a means of self-understanding & self-development; a journey into the psyche of individuation & assimilation/wholeness.
WitchyWoman: Sorry this is so late in the discussion, but if you are a 5-5, then 14-Temperance is your Shadow.
A 5 operates through a process of learning & teaching, though not necessarily in the literal sense. Particularly in the early years, there may have been a tendency to to question authority as part of the learning process (where you were as one of the acolytes or students facing The Heirophant). In later years as you come into your sense of self & knowledge, you may act as a teacher. As a 5, you also learn by teaching. It is by remaining open to learning despite whatever level achieved that an expansion of continued understanding occurs. It avoids falling into a pattern by rote.
[quote]MeeWah (31 Oct, 2001 09:07):
This is prompted by Thirteen's inquiry on the Tarot Cards forum.
The Shadow Card is the card that represents the hidden or unknown aspects of self; the "dark" side of self; the side of self one denies or projects onto others.
The term "shadow" was used by Carl Jung to refer to those qualities.
To determine if there is a Shadow Card, one needs to know the Personality-Soul Card, which is calculated from the birth date.
MeeWah,
Can you help me figure this one out.
My birth date is
8
6
1964 = 7 the Chariot
I came up with my soal card as the same as bec's? please let me know if this is right.
Thanks
cj
Just testing my newfound skills here ;D
CJ>
**08
**06
1964
-----
2058= 15 - P=TheDevil
1+5= 6 - S=TheLovers
15+6=21 - Shadow=TheWorld
:D well maybe :D
CJ: You are correct. 7-The Chariot is both Personality & Soul; Shadow is 16-The Tower.
Likely you assumed responsibilities early in life, a combination of circumstance & preference. You may have taken charge not only for yourself, but did so for or due to someone else or others as well--such as for a younger family member or some other person close to you. Indeed, you tend to take the fore when you see a need. Your tendency is to take action rather than be a spectator. Neither will you take chances leaving possibilities in the hands of another because you prefer to trust yourself. The Chariot is referred to as the "Warrior" card. Usually when you have made a decision, your plan is to follow through.
Your life has been marked by drastic changes which have served to strengthen you. The old saying about what does not break you, makes you seems to apply. This is a common theme in this life.
How does the mini-reading hit you--a combination of Tarot & astrology; however, please do not assume I am an expert. I am just another student of life, working on the chain gang (for some reason, Sam Cook's song has been playing in my head this past week) :D
Bec: CJ's birthdate is added as follows:
****08
****06
**1964
*=1978 =25=7
Do you see? Hope this helps.
math :D not my strong point .....
If the total had been correct, would the cards I figured out then be right ?
Bec: The first two cards are correct.
I see you added Personality & Soul together.
The Shadow is the flip side of the Soul Card, the card "hidden" within or that casts a "shadow" after the other two cards are determined. It is probably easier to determine when both Personality & Soul are the same.
If the Personality Card is a "night-time" card--one of the cards between 14 through 18, that card acts as a Shadow also as it has those qualities already.
So if the Personality is 15-The Devil, then yes, the Soul is 6-The Lovers. The Devil also acts as a Shadow.
hippychick
04-11-2001, 15:17
This is great :-) fascinating discussion.
My personality and soul card are each 8 - either Justice or Strength, depending on the pack - and my Shadow card (by Mary Greer's method) is 17, the Star.
However, there is another way to work out the Shadow of a particular card - lay all the major arcana out in number order in a figure eight, with the upper part of the eight being the cards from the Fool to the Hermit, the lower part being the cards from The Hanged Man to Judgement, and the crossover of the eight being formed by the Wheel of Fortune and the World overlayed. (Everyone got that?!) "Draw" the figure eight with the upper part going clockwise, and the lower part going anti-clockwise.
Now, to find the Shadow of a particular card, track how many cards it is from the centre crossover point - in my case, the shadow of my card (8) is 12, as each is two cards away from the centre crossover. Which in my case is very interesting, as it makes both my Soul and my Shadow cards Strength and/or Justice!
One of my favourite sunlight/shadow correlations using this method is the Hierophant/the Devil <eg>
N.B. the Shadow of The World is the Wheel of Fortune and vice versa, using this system.
peace
hc
hippychick
04-11-2001, 15:24
Something else that occurs to me in regard to the P/S/Sh cards, which was prompted by the poster (sorry, I forgot your name!) who added the Personality and Soul numbers together.
How about a Unity card? Add Personality to Soul, or Soul to Shadow, or all three together...?
P+S = self-aware self? (i.e. outer and inner self working together)
S+Sh = whole self? (i.e. integrated inner self)
P+S+Sh = "impact" self? (i.e. the power one can have when integrated inner self works in harmony with outer expression)
My P+S combination would be 16 - The Tower
S+Sh combination would be 7 - The Lovers
P+S+Sh combination would be 6 - The Chariot
Cool, huh?!
peace
hc
The "8" method is very interesting - however I think I´ll pass ;D as for now anyway - the M Greer method still making my head spin *LOL*
However !!!!! A Unity Card ......... now *that´s* great !!
MeeWah: I´ve taken the step and ordered the books by M greer :D And I agree with melvis ;D it might just give a hole bunch of new questions :)
[quote]MeeWah (03 Nov, 2001 23:14):
CJ: You are correct. 7-The Chariot is both Personality & Soul; Shadow is 16-The Tower.
MeeWah,
Did I ever tell you I am a true LEO and the Chariot and watch out..
Thank you for the mini reading..
With the Tower as my shadow, should I watch out for sudden changes to happen in my life? (have had a few so far)
Thanks again.
cj
MeeWah thanks for the clarification on the Mary Greer books. I think I will go get the Tarot Constellations book, it will make a nice complement to the work I am doing with the Tarot for Yourself book.
Hippychick ... that is cool I think I will try that :)
Melvin and Bec since both of you will be working with the Mary Greer books also hopefully we can discuss other aspects as we learn! Sort of like group study *LOL*.
This has been really enriching. MeeWah thank you so much for originating this post!!!
Melvis, Bec, Jewel: Even though I have not read through Mary K Greer's books (I use them as reference sources), nevertheless I promise you, y'all will see for yourselves why I recommend them :)
HippyChick: The "8" method is interesting & worth trying. Thank you for sharing!
CJ: Your birthdate tells me you are Leo :)
If you are interested in finding out about trends & possibilities, look also at your Year Card, which is 8-Strength. How it affects you may be influenced by your other cards. That is, modified by how you react to or meet the year's concerns or events in various aspects of your life.
Regarding the Shadow of The Tower--change does not have to be obvious nor on a physical-material level. It can be on an inner level with no less the impact or significance. Generally speaking, this may mark a period of learning (such as in a course of study, formal or informal) on a practical as well as a spiritual level. Again, what seems to apply is what will not break you, makes you. You may find you have resources & strengths you are unaware of; that it is all in the attitude one would hold.
Dear MeeWah
I have not been able to come to this site for a long time since I have been busy with sending resume and cover letters here and there so I might be able to find a job but unfortunately with no avail, and it seems to me that I would not find anything for a long time to come if ever.
In any case, tonight I saw your post about the shadow personality and how to calculate one’s personality card and thanks to the books that you and others in this site introduced me to, I think I have something to contribute about this topic. I read Dr. Jung’s books about dreams and some more and I also read Crowley’s writing concerning this topic and this is a small part that I have learned so far that might be related to your topic of discussion.
According to Jung or what I understand about his writing, a Self is divided into four major parts within the conscious and unconscious.
Let us say that a Self is a whole circle, which has been divided into two equal parts. The upper part, which is colored white, is called Consciousness and the lower part, which is colored with shadow, is the Unconsciousness part. In this circle there are four other smaller parts that have distributed between the Conscious and the Unconscious half of our circle.
These parts are called, Thinking, which is located totally at the upper side or the Conscious side, Feeling that is wholly located in the shadow side or the Unconscious half of this circle, Intuition, which is positioned partially in the Conscious side and partially in the Unconscious side of the circle and finally the Sensation, which is also parted in both sides of the Consciousness and the Unconsciousness side (the shadow side).
In another word, the analytical or the thinking side of a being is totally deal with conscious level, what one sense or perceive intuitively, can be conscious or unconscious but an individual feelings is totally arranged with the shadow side of one’s personality.
In the Conscious level, intellect is the main function, which has to contract with Sensation and Intuition but its major function, is Thinking. In the Unconscious stage, the shadow side and what it feels is the major function but it also has the Sensation and the Intuition, which has to deal with.
In a dream cycle, all these major plays are involved but they are called, Mana personality, the Shadow, Anima (as a woman) or Animus (as a man) and the self itself. We also have Mandela whom is out of this discussion about your topic.
In Crowley tarot there are Personality card, The Character card, The Growth card and the Shadow card, which you explained so eloquently how they could be calculated.
I think I have already talked too much. Thanks again.
Mehrdad: Welcome back!
Thank you for the comment on Jung's concept of the parts of self--very intriguing. It is something to think about & examine further.
Hi Meewah,
I wonder if you would be able to put my mind and curiosity at rest,I'm intrigued with this thread,so I've worked my D.O.B.out and both cards come out to being the Hermit and following with the Moon (27.06.1965)...What are these cards telling me ? What is my life lesson?(it sounds a lonely road to me!)
I hope you, or of course,any other peeps can help me here?
Thankyou for reading this..with love xxxx
marichan
09-11-2001, 12:23
Hi everybody.
After reading through all the posts, I now understand the difference between a Personality card (mine=The World) and a Soul card (mine=The Empress). But if a Shadow card is the factors of the Soul card, does that mean I have multiple Shadow Cards?
3=
03 The Fool
12 The Hanged Man
21 The World
Thanks for your help!
-Mari
Frankie
I am sure that MeeWah with his/her great wisdom can answer you fully and my intrusion in here is just me trying to flex and test my speculation about combining Jung’s physiological theories with Crowley’s mathematical genius and Pythagoras’s philosophies about numbers, in regard to your birth date. Being a novice mathematician myself and by studying the writings of these great personalities I have concluded that these ideas complementing each other fully and it only needs to be connected trough mathematical calculation.
As your calculation rightly shows, your personality card is card # 9 and the following is what I have extracted from Jung’s thesis about looking at a whole self as a compete circle.
Your personality card is 9 which is “The Hermit”
Your shadow card is 13 which is “Death” (looking at Jung’s circle of self)
Your growth card is (2001+06+27 = 2034 = 9) also “The Hermit” (looking at “The Crowley Tarot book, by Akron and Banzhaf)
Your character card remains as 9 ((looking at “The Crowley Tarot book, by Akron and Banzhaf)
Again by Jung’s circle of self in his writings, looking at your birth date, the following can be extracted.
Intellectually you are “The Hermit”, which means your line of thinking align with that card. Which might mean that you intellectually are looking for things beyond the general science and you would like that your intellect takes you into the realm of philosophy.
In terms of how you feel unconsciously, your card is “Death”. Which might mean that you feel unsettle and cannot make up your mind and constantly transforming from one state to the next without giving chance to a state to be developed.
Intuitively your card is 4 “The Emperor”, which might mean that if you can stabilize your unsettle feelings, you can be very creative and realize a whole lot of thing by your perception and realism.
In terms of sensational matters your card is 18 “The Moon”. Which might mean that you feel somewhat lonely and have an eerie feeling going into your mind. You also might be doing a lot of daydreaming.
In terms of how things are going to be for you in this year (your growth card) is also “The Hermit”, which might mean that do not expect a whole lot of change in your life in this year and things would go along as they have been.
Finally character wise you still remain as a “The Hermit”. Which might mean that you have a hard time to connect with others or it better said that you are introversive.
yay! i love mary k. greer's book. anyway, here are my tarot stats:
1983+3+2=1988
1+9+8+8=26
2+6=8=Adjustment (although it was strength before i switched to the Thoth deck, and i still view strength as my card..)
So my personality and soul cards are both Adjustment/Strength.
And as for my shadow card...
2+6
4+4
1+7
17=The Star :)
*happy dance*
Frankie: It would be helpful to learn the basic meanings of 9-The Hermit & 18-The Moon so as to be able to apply them in terms of Personality & Soul Cards (The Hermit); & of Shadow Card (The Moon) in relation to self.
With a double 9 The Hermit (as with any double number) as both Personality & Soul, the tendency is to be focussed on the soul's purpose--that of completing the Karmic Wheel; addressing any loose ends in the spiritual development.
The Hermit is an introspective individual; a solitary individual who is able to work alone & may prefer his own company to that of others; one who hears the beat of a different drum.
It is through the introspection--at times necessitating an involuntary withdrawal rather than a deliberate withdrawal--from the world when progress & growth may occur. When one is prompted to listen to the inner self or guidance.
Part of the life lessons, however, encompasses the service to others. Usually in the form of the sharing of knowledge or wisdom, it need not be as a teacher per se, but possibly in the role of an advisor or a counselor; a supportive friend. Peers may instinctively seek you out for help. It is in the more active role or this service that one finds "redemption". Despite the apparent independence & need for solitude, there are needs for acceptance & social interaction--so the service to others whether in a formal or informal setting often fulfills those. Indeed, it is through the active participation in the world that the passive periods are balanced; also from whence the understanding comes of the exterior world in relation to the interior world. The outside contact can serve to ground one or one would be completely out of touch with the human reality; feel unduly alienated from others or be increasingly isolated.
The Shadow Card as any card represents the blind spots or the unknown parts of self. With The Moon, there is often more of the psychic ability or inner guidance; strong feelings &/or fears that are inexpressible but may have deep roots--such as fear of loneliness, non-acceptance.
The Moon is about the emotions, dreams, illusions & delusions. If one is not well-grounded or well-integrated, there can be misunderstanding of impressions, a lack of clarity of vision literally &/or figuratively resulting in confusion &/or denial. There is an attraction to the mental realm; an attraction to or a dependency on mind-altering chemicals. In a less integrated scenario, it is the alcoholic who tells himself he can stop drinking at any time he wants to.
Within each card regardless of its placement, it serves as a signpost along the way, representing the highest of the qualities or lessons to be assimilated & made part of the life.
Marichan: If 21-The World is the Personality, then 3-The Empress is the Soul & 12-The Hanged Man is the Shadow Card.
The World Personality values self-freedom; however, it is through the learning to work within structure that there is productive activity & the reconciliation with self & others. Boundaries are not merely restrictions of freedom--they serve as guide-lines for the creative expression. Otherwise, the energy is scattered, with no sense of purpose nor viable direction. Without boundaries, chaos may ensue; within a framework, expansion may still take place.
May be overly influenced by others in an attempt to locate a niche; may seek to compare self & conditions with those of the rest of the world & be discontent, seeing only restrictions rather than opportunities.
The Empress Soul bespeaks a creative, nurturing sensibility with a deep appreciation of the aesthetics in life & of Nature. There is an abiding interest in creating a pleasing & harmonious environment for self & for others; in social activities; in being responsible; in taking care of family & friends.
Or there is possessiveness; smother-love of both things & people; inability to address responsibilities appropriately.
The Shadow of The Hanged Man is about self-sacrifice, giving up something for a higher purpose; understanding patience & timing; knowing when to let go; "hang-ups". It can be the person who martyrs the self detrimentally in the name of love or whatever cause deemed worthy; the caregiver who doesn't give self permission for self-nurturing; the enabler of a problem person; the mother who does not let her child grow up.
As with all cards, their power is in the understanding of their qualities; what can be learned & attained.
purplelady
09-11-2001, 22:55
moon, your cards are exactly the same as mine!
Thank you very much for your replies to my question,Mehrdad and Meewah.
They're definately food for thought! - especially the year card..I left my job in the summer and spent 4months taking "time out" after my job was going nowhere,I'm back there now but only until christmas,I hope next year will be more positive.
One thing, I have learnt to value myself more and walk away from dire situations instead of "putting up,and shutting up"-I learnt the hard way,mind! Thanks for the insight......xx
Hi gang! well I finally bought Tarot Constellations by Mary Greer and have been working with it and Tarot for Yourself simultaneously and anyone who has enjoyed this thread and does not have those books needs to get them! ... now with that said ... In Tarot Constellations Mary Greer addresses an additional set of cards that also reflect on our personalities, etc (I have not gotten to that chapter yet but will within the week). These cards are based on your birth name and put together with the Personality, Soul and Shadow or Teacher cards form your personal Mandala. As this thread is getting so long that my computer cannot always make it to page 3, I will start a new thread when I get to the Name/tarot card correspondences and start a new thread ... then we can all piece our Mandalas together :). It is so great to have so many wonderful with whom to speak "Tarot" with!
Love & Light,
if i have understood all this correctly my personality card is 3 and my soul card is 3, but what is my shadow card? 12 or 21?
:-)
Blumoon: If 3-The Empress is both your Personality & Soul Card, it appears you have two Shadow Cards--12-The Hanged Man & 21-The World.
I recommend studying all 3 cards to get a general idea of how they relate to each other.
If you look at the Major Arcana, you shall see that 3-The Empress is among the cards (1-7) associated with the first tier of being or the physical/material world.
12-The Hanged Man is among those (8-15) associated with the second tier or mental realm.
21-The World is among the cards (16-21) associated with the third or spiritual level.
It would seem then, that in this life, you are charged with working on all three levels.
truthsayer
18-11-2001, 17:15
MeeWah (19 Nov, 2001 06:42):
the cards (1-7) associated with the first tier of being or the physical/material world.
(8-15) associated with the second tier or mental realm.
(16-21) associated with the third or spiritual level.
It would seem then, that in this life, you are charged with working on all three levels.
according to mary k. greer's formula, i have the sun, wheel of fortune, magician trio as my soul and personality cards. in other words, my soul and personality card is each of these 3 cards. if as you said above, i am working at all 3 levels this lifetime, does this also mean that i am working thru the shadow aspects of each individual card and level, too? i can see reflections of both the positive and shadow aspects of myself in each card. if not, what would be my shadow card and how would it function in contract to the other 2 cards?
i really need to get tarot constellations. i've used "tarot for yourself" about 16 years and still love it! (shameless plug) ;D
Truthsayer: It would seem that you are working on all three levels as well, to integrate them all. So yes, you would likely be dealing with the positive/negative or Light/Dark aspects of those cards on all those levels.
Actually, we all deal with Lifetime Cards on all levels & from both ends of the spectrum, with perhaps more of the emphasis in certain areas such as with the Shadow Card.
I find what Mary K Greer states about 19-10-1 a wee bit confusing. She indicates 19-The Sun as Personality; 1-The Magician as Soul; 10-Wheel of Fortune as Teacher, which changes the sequence or order of the cards. Perhaps because The Wheel falls in *between* the other two cards, so it could be considered as "hidden"; however, 19 naturally reduces to 10 which in turn is 1.
At this point, I do not think there is a "Shadow Card" per se; I would need to think about it more.
Talisman
19-11-2001, 08:41
'Lo all,
Not having Mary's second book, although I treasure "Tarot for Yourself," I've been following this discussion and been perplexed.
At last! Exactly like truthsayer, my Personality and Soul cards are Sun, Wheel of Fortune and Magician.
So, MeeWah, no Shadow card, right? Not even ankle deep to a tall duck, right? And, thank you for making this so much fun for us.
Talisman
"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." -- Aesop
Talisman: According to a wee footnote in "Tarot Constellations":
"Personality Cards 14 through 18 have no hidden factor cards."
Apparently, she includes what she calls The Teacher Card as a "hidden factor"; she does indicate 10-Wheel of Fortune in the pattern of 19-10-1 as a Teacher Card. In that sense, it might be thought of as a Shadow Card of sorts but as I stated previously, perhaps by its position of falling between cards 19 & 1 (which to me, doesn't neccessarily confer on it shadow qualities).
For that matter, The Sun or The Magician could be seen as "bright" shadows in that they have both Light/Dark qualities as does any card of the Major Arcana.
I'm new to this forum, so forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere.
I have some confusion about calculating my personality card. The example given:
For example, the birth date is added as follows:
***01
***11
*1979
*1991 = 20-Judgement = 2-The High Priestess.
Judgement is the Personality Card; The High Priestess is the Soul Card.
The Shadow Card for the 20-2 combination is 11-Justice.
Fits me perfectly - as I was born on 31 / 08 / 1961 and if I add up the numbers as per the example above, I get 20.
However, I normally add up my numbers for numerological purposes the following way:
3+1+8+1+9+6+1 = 29 which is 2+9 = 11.
So... am I an eleven, or a twenty? I suspect both, considering that according to the first way of calculation my shadow card is an 11.
Of course, added to the confusion ( or simply the complexity) is the strength/Justice question re Tarot card 11!
Numerologically I've always taken 11 to be the number of inspiration, and I prefer it to 2. However, in terms of Tarot, the combination of 20/2 seems appropriate.
I'd still like any thoughts on the adding up the numbers issue.
Thanks!
SJ
SJ: Welcome! I'd forgotten this thread was still here.
Your birthdate is added as follows:
***08
***31
*1961
=2000 = 2
Therefore, 2-The High Priestess is both Personality & Soul Card (because 2 does not "reduce" further numerically).
11-Justice is Shadow Card.
MeeWah (27 Feb, 2002 04:30):
SJ: Welcome! I'd forgotten this thread was still here.
Your birthdate is added as follows:
***08
***31
*1961
=2000 = 2
Therefore, 2-The High Priestess is both Personality & Soul Card (because 2 does not "reduce" further numerically).
11-Justice is Shadow Card.
wouldnt he have 2 shadow cards, ie, card 20 as well?
Im an 11 personality 2 soul, so i think 20 is my shadow
Liliana: According to Mary K. Greer's calculations, yes.
SJ has 2 Shadow Cards, or what Greer calls Hidden Factor Cards.
In your case, only 20 is your Shadow.
Thanks MeeWah and Liliana - so what I see is that all three numbers (20, 2, 11) pertain to me, so that's good! I rather liked 20.
And, I'm still interested in the fact that adding up the numbers in certain ways gives a different number - i.e. 3+1+8+1+9+6+1 = 29 = 11. Perhaps this is a question more for numerologists.
Thanks again,
SJ
MeeWah (27 Feb, 2002 04:30):
SJ: Welcome! I'd forgotten this thread was still here.
Your birthdate is added as follows:
***08
***31
*1961
=2000 = 2
Therefore, 2-The High Priestess is both Personality & Soul Card (because 2 does not "reduce" further numerically).
11-Justice is Shadow Card.
I had forgotten this thread too! Looks like we get to have some more fun with it ;)
If my mind serves me correctly you actually have 2 Shadow Cards as they are parts of the High Priestess Constellation that are "hidden." The HP Constellation is 2/11/20 ... if all three numbers were manifested you would have no shadow card, if your personality and soul cards are different then only one of the 3 would be a shadow card, but with only one represented that would leave 2 shadow cards. This is also my constellation with 20 as my personality and 2 my soul card ... 11 my hidden card.
As for the Justice/Strength debate that is a whole nother thread *LOL*. The way I relate to this (being of your constellation) is that you have to have strength to be just, and often times you have to be just in your strength ;)
As for the adding of the numbers, the formula we used was the one provided in Mary Greers book. Regardles, 11 is still a very important card in your life ... as a shadow card it has much to teach you and much you can draw from it. Thanks for bringing this thread back.
Love & Light,
Celtic Lady
13-03-2002, 16:27
I'm new to the forum and have spent the last half hour trying to figure this all out. Please, please tell me I've got it figured!!!
My birthday is:
****13
****10
**1967
= 1990 = 19
So my personality card is the Sun. 1+9 =10 and 1+0 = 1
So my soul card is the Magician.
1 can only be made by 1 and 0, so my shadow card is the Wheel of Fortune. Did I understand or have I got it completely wrong??? Oh yeah......... and on a slightly different note, why is it people go pale when they find out my birthday was on a Friday?
Okay, so I think I've got this right: if my year and date of birth add up to 8, Justice is my Personality card as well as my Soul card, right? So my Shadow/Teacher card has to be the Star (17). This is turning out better than I would have guessed. :cool:
My next question is, did Mary K. Greer come up with this system herself, or did she get it somewhere else?
DollChica
03-04-2002, 07:23
Qolus, 8's have either Strength or Justice depending on the deck used. Even though, I'm willing to use both just to make it easier :D And The Star is the shadow card.
Celtic Lady: A belated welcome to the forums!
Yes, your calculations are correct.
Apparently, you were born on a Friday, the 13th.
There are traditions/superstitions associated with Friday the 13th which are probably related to Judeo-Christian concepts & others.
The number 13 is thought by some to be "unlucky" or "bad luck". Judas Iscariot was the 13th apostle; the one who betrayed Jesus, leading to his capture.
"Mem", the 13th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, represents the feminine principle; Mother; birth, life, death & resurrection.
Numerologically, 13 refers to cycles, endings & beginnings. Conversely, it refers to mis-use, danger.
In the Tarot concept, 13 is Death; however, it generally does not refer to physical death, but to transformation; metamorphosis (as in from caterpillar to butterfly); the shedding or the discarding of an old life for a new one.
Qolus: If the birth date reduces to a single digit from a number that is not higher than 22, then that number represents both the Personality & the Soul.
8 is Strength or Justice depending on the Tarot deck used, as Dollchica states.
17-The Star is the Shadow Card.
I think Mary K Greer took Angeles Arrien's work on Tarot Lifetime Cards & expanded upon it.
Does anyone know where the Strength/Justice schism originated? Was the Rider Waite, Marseilles, etc. one way, and then the Golden Dawn/Thoth camp went the other way?
wow what a great thread! good job posting this one meewah :)
okay my birthdate comes down to 20
so if i understand correctly, my soul card is 2, personality is 20 and shadow is 11?
personality card represents lessons to be learned in life
soul card is your soul purpose and qualities that assist.
and your shadow card is hidden or unknown aspects of yourself. what you tend to project onto others.
so do i take the meanings that i use when i do a reading or are there specific meanings mary greer gives these cards for this purpose?
help.
in light,
jade :)
Qolus: Papus, the author of "Tarot of the Bohemians" recommended the Tarot of Marseilles as being "the most correct in its symbolism" or the Oscar Wirth deck. I think both decks have 8 is Justice, 11 is Strength, but someone correct me if I am wrong.
Arthur Waite is credited with switching the 2 cards, but the reason is ambiguous--some reference to his own view was given.
Paul Foster Case followed Waite's lead.
I think the decks that represent 8 as Justice & 11 as Strength are following Qabalistic associations, but I am not knowledgeable about this. The Nigel Jackson deck of contemporary origin follows this representation & is influenced by the Qabala.
Some other members would be able to address this more fully. If you re-post your query in the Tarot Decks forum, I am sure either JMD or Lee would be able to assist.
Jade: The basic meanings attributed to those cards would apply.
Mary K Greer's 'Tarot Constellations" discusses this in depth. Greer has 3 books in a series. This book is the second of the 3 books & the one I highly recommend towards this study!
The representative cards of one's constellation can all be seen as the lessons to be learned *and* the talents particular to those cards in relation to those designations of Personality, Soul or Shadow.
They are indicative of the multi-levels of being. Thus, I tend to see them also as the following:
Personality = the conscious; the approach to the mundane world. Associate it with the rising sign in Astrology.
The Shadow = the unconscious, the layer beneath the conscious & the realm of dreams. The unconscious is the bridge between the conscious & the superconscious. It is often the source of guidance & wake-up calls.
The Soul = the superconscious; the spiritual underpinning. Associate this with the sun sign in Astrology.
In addition, the appearance of any of these cards in a throw would be significant.
arizonagirl
04-04-2002, 09:08
I'm late getting into this discussion.
I had the hardest time, (back when the forum was in its old form), understanding a thread that was very similar to this. I bought the book just to get the information for myself.
When you read the 'system' as presented by Ms. Greer, it is very, very clear. I wish it wasn't against the law to scan those pages and make them available to you all by e-mail.
Originally posted by MeeWah
Qolus: I think the decks that represent 8 as Justice & 11 as Strength are following Qabalistic associations, but I am not knowledgeable about this.
Well I am by far no expert, but the Tarot and Qabalah associations and debates are of great interest to me. Now, before I respond, I must state that I like the whole idea of making correlations between the Qabalah and the Tarot, but I do not believe that Tarot was based on the Qabalah.
With that said, there are different thoughts on how the major arcana fit into the pathways of the Tree of Life. So based on the Qabalah whether 8 as Justice or Strength will depend on who you talk to. Some say that Waite switched the cards in order for those who took the Tarot deck would not have all of the proper information ... Crowley used 8 as Justice because that is what he believes to its right placing. I find it quite subjective when it comes to Tarot and the Qabalah. Again those making associations between Tarot and Qabalah vary in opinion, another example is the Navigators of the Mystic Sea, in which the author made a few changes based on her views of where the Majors best fit on the Tree of Life.
Up until very recently I liked 8 as Strength, but as I continue learning I have found that I am more comfotable using 8 as Justice. Perhaps it has something to do with my interest in correlations between the Tarot and the Qablah ... but where my preference solidified was from an exercise we did in the 78 Degrees of Wisdom Study Group.
Thanks, everyone, for your help in understanding this. :) In my mind Justice has always been VIII, even though it varies among all the decks I have now; so most likely that's how it was in my first deck.
theman_ca
15-04-2003, 21:53
ok my mubers add up to a total of 2010
ok so i add what i need to and i get 3- the empress is my personallity card, which i can understand and relate to, no prob, and its also my soul card so ok good good. but when it comes to my shadow card the break down is this ???
1+2=12 ok so thats the Hanged man.
or
2+1=21 which is the world,
So ?? my question is. . . which one is it. i mean whats my shadow card am i doing this wrong? any help would be appreciated
theman_ca: Welcome to Talking Tarot!
For a 3 Personality/3 Soul, both 12-The Hanged Man & 21-The World are the Shadow Cards (or, according to Mary K Greer, the Hidden Factor Cards).
The only other Personality/Soul combination with a single digit that has two Shadows is that of 4-The Emperor, which has13-Death & 22/0-The Fool.
azuremariposa
16-04-2003, 21:04
well, that's somewhat disconcerting then...
b/c if i calculated correctly:
**03
**29
1972
------
2004=2+0+0+4=6
there's only one combo for 6...1+5...15
my personality & soul cards are VI - the Lovers
but my shadow card is XV - the Devil
i'm not sure whether to be sick or worried or...eh...
more to think on...
many blessings...er...i think...:|
~azure
Azuremariposa: That is correct.
Keep in mind that as a card, 15-The Devil is no better nor worse than any other card because a Shadow Card expresses the hidden &/or repressed parts of the self; the vulnerabilities. Thus, The Devil can also be seen as the antithesis of 6-The Lovers; its opposite or the earthy, "dark" side; The Lovers *reversed*. It can be a "positive" influence in that it can permit one to be less rigid; to have a sense of humour; to see the absurd & to know that one is not "complete" without both the light & the shadow.
azuremariposa
18-04-2003, 11:51
:) thank you MeeWah, for allaying my concerns...more to think on...;) hehe
many blessings!
~azure
Help me I'm stupid!
Did I do this corect?
My Soul and Personality cards:
4+3+1954 = 1961 = 17
Personality = 17 The Star
Soul = 8 Strength
My Current Year Cycle = 3
My Current Year Card = 12 The Hanged Man
Inner teacher = Queen of Wands
Shadow = 17 the Star?
What is the difference between Current Year Card and Current Year Cycle?
And what about the Inner Teacher? How do you get to it?
Tks for clearing this up for me.
Ariana
Hi, all!
Umbrae, yours looks correctly figured except that I get your Year Card itself as 3 (Empress), and this is the beginning of a new Cycle of Year Cards. Also, as a 17 - 8 (Personality Card - Soul Card) Mary Greer says you don't have a Shadow Card because the 14 - 18 cards are "nighttime" cards, and carry the Shadow aspect within themselves when they are the Personality Cards.
How to explain the Year Cycle, Ariana? Well, write down each year of your life, from the time you were born until this year. Then add your birthdate to each year and reduce the number as you did to figure out your Personality Card. Now write down the numbers you get next to each year. Notice anything?
Let's do an example: In 1990 my Year Card was 11, Justice. The next year it was 12; the year after it was 13. Say, there's a trend there! If I go backwards from the Justice Year, I discover that this Cycle of numbers started back in 1981 with the Emperor. So the Year Cycle I was in in 1990 was the Emperor's. But what happened the next year...did it go to 14? No, because the next year's number reduced to 5, which started a new Hierophant Year Cycle.
I hope that makes sense!
Peace,
Melvis
:TSTRE
Edited to Add: The Inner Teacher Card corresponds to cards that MG has assigned to each astrological sign. The sign that the Moon was in when you were born gives you the Inner Teacher Card.
Hmmm
I've never used this aspect of the cards...New stuff is cool.
Hmm...
exmple my birth date.
------02
------06
---1975
---1983 = 21 ?? 21-The World is my ps card
and there is combo 3-empress, and 12-hangedman
so My persnality card is The world
and Two Shadow card Empress and hangedman...
Meewah Sorry to late in this thread
I read and read and just 3min before I know how to calculate.
Am I Stupid? :)
I read This thread's all Article and Thanks to All elders....
Lucifer: Welcome to Talking Tarot!
& ye are not late to this thread at all, as it happens to be a very, very old thread that gets resurrected every so often.
Personality Card: 21-The World
Soul Card: 3-The Empress
Shadow Card: 21-The Hanged Man
how do 21 and 3 come out to 12 the hanged man?
What am I missing? This makes less and less sense the more I read...
can you explain it for an idiot?
Originally posted by Umbrae
how do 21 and 3 come out to 12 the hanged man?
What am I missing? This makes less and less sense the more I read...
can you explain it for an idiot?
I think so that But I know that and Now explain...
21 The world is my Personallity Card
and 2+1 = 3 and that is Empress My Soul Card
and there is one more combination
21 is combined as 12 2 and 1 is 1 and 2 (Correct? Meewah?)
I think so and this is correct to me as 98%
how about meewah? am i correct?
have a nice day.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Umbrae
how do 21 and 3 come out to 12 the hanged man?
What am I missing? This makes less and less sense the more I read...
[/QUOTE
21, 3 and 12 all share the number 3 (if reduced to a single digit) so they are part of a group. if you had a personality of 3, soul of 3, then the missing cards in the group would be 21 and 12. those would be your hidden factor (or shadow, in those younger than 30, teacher for those over 30).
if you had a personality of 21, soul of 3, then number 12 would be missing and your hidden factor card.
if you had personality of 12, soul of 3 then your hidden factor would be 21.
these groupings are called 'constellations'. other constellations are,
1,10 and 19.
2,11 and 20
4,13 and 22
5 and 14
6 and 15
7 and 16
8 and 17
9 and 18
(personality cards of 14-18 will have no hidden factor card)
Let's see ... 2008 = 10
10 -- Personality card, and
1 -- Soul card, which means
1 is my shadow card too?
alissa, your hidden factor card would be 19, the sun. i do not know if this represents a shadow for you or a teacher.
shadow issues are those we either do not recognize or fear. generally speaking, according to greer, by the time we reach the age of 30 we have probably already faced and recongnized our shadows. in that case the card becomes not a shadow card but a teacher card.
Double 9 - Hermit
Shadow 18 - Moon ..... figures :O)
Ok here's mine:
1962=18
Personality card=18, the Moon
Soul card =9 The Hermit
That means I have no shadow card?
DollChica
21-04-2003, 20:32
Mysti, what's your actual birthdate? You either only calculated the year, or just put the results of your birthday addition up. If that's the case, then The Moon is probably your shadow card as well. Here's what mine looks like
day-5
Month-12
year-1962
5+12+1962=1979
1+9+7+9=26
2+6=8
so...8 is my personality & soul card
17 is my shadow card
Melvis,
Hi! and thanks for the explanation but after filling an excel sheet with all my numbers I cannot still understand this pretty well!!
My birthdate is 4 - 4 - 1968:
So this would be:
Year: 13- Death
Cycle: 8 - Justice (Till 2009)
Or should I reduce again my year card to 4?? I am confused with this also, the year card is the ultimate number you got after reducing and reducing?? Or it would be 13 ?? If not we would never get 11, 12, 13, etc.
Am I correct?? Did I confuse everything even more??
Tks
Ariana
DollChica
21-04-2003, 20:50
4+4+1968=1976
1+9+7+6=23
2+3=5
The Hierophant is both your personality and soul cards
14 Temperance is your teacher/shadow card
4 Emperor is your year card
Hope this helps.
:( Hi all Elders...
I can't understand what is the Year cycle and Year cycle card.
I know My Personality card is World
and Soul Card is Empress Card
And Shadow card is Hanged man.
My birthdate is 2 June, 1975
So i calculate 1975 + 6 + 2 = 1983
So i Add All and I got 21 = World card this is My Personality card
and 2+1=3 this is My soul card No.3 Empress
and 21 is tranformation to 12 the Hanged man
and now I cofused...
What is the Year cycle? and Yearcycle Card?
Is there any added options?
I thought about This things I confused and Now I feel
How am i Stupid and I Must be cry....-_-;
Elders Please help me and solve all my Question.
Have a nice day.....
p.s : My head will be explode...I Must be....:(
DollChica
21-04-2003, 20:59
The year cycle card is your birthdate plus the current year. Yours would look like this:
2+6+2003=2011
This breaks down to 4 which would make the Emperor your year card.
Mysti, what's your actual birthdate? You either only calculated the year, or just put the results of your birthday addition up. If that's the case, then The Moon is probably your shadow card as well.
No, it was the addition of my birthday, month and year:
**08
**09
1945=1962=18/9
Personality=18, the moon
Soul=9, the Hermit
Does this help any?
Originally posted by DollChica
The year cycle card is your birthdate plus the current year. Yours would look like this:
2+6+2003=2011
This breaks down to 4 which would make the Emperor your year card.
Thnaks DollChica I solve my problem...
And one question remain what the mean of Cycle card?
Can you answer me?
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DollChica
22-04-2003, 01:42
Mysti-I think your personality and shadow/teacher cards might be the same.
Lucifer-If I'm not mistaken, the year cycle card depicts the recurring theme for the year. Or the aspect of yourself that you should be developing.
These are both tentative answers. If anyone knows the right ones for absolute sure, please do pipe in. Thanks.
dc
Im trying to calculate my cards. Please, tell me if this is correct:
16
11
1979
---------
2006 = 8---> Personality & Soul card = Justice?
Shadow card= 17 = The Star
This year card= Hierophant
Im doing it ok?
DollChica
22-04-2003, 06:37
yeppers. you got it right.
Mysti: According to Mary K Greer, all cards from 14 through 18 are considered "night time cards" & inherently contain "a hidden factor" (or built-in shadow aspect) so there is no actual separate card.
Thanks to both MeeWah and DollChica.
How fascinating this is. It's already giving me a new perception of my personality.
What a great thread!
Love and peace,
Mysti
Finally I understand all abou Calculating Personality card, Soul, Shadow, Year card and Year cycle card...:) (It takes 3day....:()
and there is remain question.
What is that mean of Year card and Year cycle.
I calculate Year card so I got Emperor (2003 + 6 + 2 = 2011=4)
And I Write down all years since I Birth (this is follow Melvis' method) So I know My year cycle is Hierophant.
My birthdate was 2, June 1975
1975 = 10 + 12 = 22 + (date: 6+2) = 22+8 = 30 = 3
1976 is same as 4
1977 as 5
1978 as 6
1979 as 7
1980 as 8
1981 as 9
1982 as 10
1983 as 11
1984 as 3 (is this start of New year cycle? the Empress?)
1985 as 4
1986 as 5
1987 as 6
1988 as 7
1989 as 8
1990 as 9
1991 as 10
1992 as 11 (is this was End of Empress's year cycle?)
1993 as 3 (and this was begining of New Empress's cycle?)
1994 as 4
1995 as 5
1996 as 6
1997 as 7
1998 as 8
1999 as 9
2000 as 10
2001 as 11
2002 as 12
2003 as 13
(and current Year Card is Emperor cuz 6 + 2 + 2003 = 2011 = 4
and My current Year cycle card is Empress?
I don't know This calculrate is correct....
and if it is correct what is the mean of year cycle and Year card?
And Yearcycle card is always Empress then it is Can't change?
and there is any fault Teach me...any elders...
Have a nice day
Cycles as I figure them (this is NOT Card cycles as discussed by Greer in her "Tarot for Yourself" editions one and two).
Add the month and day of birth. Then add the year (not the current year, the year of their last birthday).
This is a separate and independant numerological 10 year cycle. This will at times match the card year cycle, but is always single digit. Look at the numerical relatiionship between the year card, and the numerological cycle year. I have been using this for many years.
But to add the personality, soul, and year cards into the mix is huge...
These add so much more depth and context to a 'reading'...
Originally posted by Umbrae
Cycles as I figure them (this is NOT Card cycles as discussed by Greer in her "Tarot for Yourself" editions one and two).
Add the month and day of birth. Then add the year (not the current year, the year of their last birthday).
This is a separate and independant numerological 10 year cycle. This will at times match the card year cycle, but is always single digit. Look at the numerical relatiionship between the year card, and the numerological cycle year. I have been using this for many years.
But to add the personality, soul, and year cards into the mix is huge...
These add so much more depth and context to a 'reading'...
Thanks Umbrae I read Your post continueally...(I am not good at english)
Now I caculate...
and I agree with your thought
This work must be Adding depth with Counselling...
Hew.... Load to the math is very tough...:(
Hi elders....
recent I was calculate my Friend's personality, soul, shadow
and I found My fault...
ex) my birthday was 2,june 1975
so 2+6+1975 = 1983 = 1+9+8+3 = 21
so I get my personality as 21 the world
and i calculate.....2 + 1 and i got 3 as my soul card Empress
and finally i got 21 the hanged man froim constellation
and here is my question...
my mother's birthdate was 1953.4.10
so i calculate
4+10+1953=1967
1+9+6+7=23 so 2+3 = Hierophant
Hierophant is her Personality card...right?
anyway..
AND~!
what is ther soul card of her?
is that Hierophant? or Temperance?
Arrrrrrrrrrgh...
where is my fault?
I read this Thread and I think there is no fault...
I thought her soul card is Temperance...
but read and read and read and read this thread...
I can't calculate any more...
because...my mom's soul card is may be Hierophant...
Anyone introduce to me...
My head must be need a help...:(
Please help me....elders....
I fall in Deep hole....:(
Because I could not ‘figure out’ a formula – nor could anybody explain the formula to me…I went out and bought the book.
I had Tarot for YourSelf, but this is not covered in the first edition…so I went out and spent money for the Second Edition…
As of yet I have not worked out the formula, other than consult the table…
So your mother was a 5-5 (personality – soul) her Hidden factor/teacher card (Shadow card prior to age 30) is 14…Temperance.
You did well.
Originally posted by Umbrae
Because I could not ‘figure out?a formula ?nor could anybody explain the formula to me…I went out and bought the book.
I had Tarot for YourSelf, but this is not covered in the first edition…so I went out and spent money for the Second Edition?
As of yet I have not worked out the formula, other than consult the table?
So your mother was a 5-5 (personality ?soul) her Hidden factor/teacher card (Shadow card prior to age 30) is 14…Temperance.
You did well.
Thanks Umbrae.....
I try to buy a Mary K.Greer's "Tarot for Yourself"
but in korea where i Live there is no place....
and finally I found it in Amazon...
thanks to your advice and I appreciate to you..umbrae.
and it is really terrible..
how to explain my fault to My friends...:(
My friends are 36person...It's a start of hell day...
have a nice day...
Hi elders...
Here is a chart of relation of Personality, Soul, Shadow...
Anyone advice to me if it has a Fault...
Below is Personality - Soul - Shadow / HiddenFactor/ Teacher
1 Magician - 1 Magician - 10 Wheel of Fortune
2 Highpriestess - 2 Highpriestess - 11 Justice ,20 The Judgement
3 Empress - 3 Empress - 12 The Hanged man, 21 The World
4 Emperor - 4 Emperor - 13 Death, 22 Fool
5 Hierophant - 5 Hierophant - 14 Temperance
6 The Lovers - 6 The Lovers - 15 Devil
7 The Chariot - 7 The Chariot - 16 The Tower
8 Strength - 8 Strength - 17 The Star
9 Hermit - 9 Hermit - 18 Moon
10 Wheel of Fortune - 1 Magician - 19 Sun
11 Justice - 2 Highpriestess - 20 The Judgement
13 Death - 4 Emperor - 22 The Fool
14 Temperance - 14 Temperance - 5 Hierophant
15 Devil - 15 Devil - 6 The lovers
16 The Tower - 16 The Tower - 7 The Chariot
17 The Star - 17 The Star - 8 Strength
18 The moon - 18 The Moon - 9 Hermit
19 The Sun - 10 Wheel of Fortune - 1 Magician
20 The Judgement - 2 Highpriestess - 11 Justice
21 The World - 3 Empress - 12 The Hangedman
According to Elder's Advice
No.14 Temperance Through No. 18 Moon this cards are Night Time card so they have Double Attribute Personality and Shadow/hidden Fact/Teacher Card...
And No.0 The Fool card was as known as No.22 Fool
and if Personality card was No.0(it was being?) Through No.9
They are also as Soul Card....
and No. 1 to No.4 card as personality card there are Two Shadow/HF/Teacher card
If there is any Falut Notice to me...
I can't sleep tonight because this is will be nightmare to me
I worried about if there is any Fault.
Lucifer: I see ye have an understanding of the pattern which Mary K. Greer calls the Tarot Constellations. Her second book of the same name discusses this concept in greater detail.
I need to add one wee thing:
The Personality-Soul pattern of 1-The Magician - 1-The Magician has 2 Shadow/Teacher/Hidden Factors: 10-Wheel of Fortune & 19-The Sun.
Originally posted by MeeWah
Lucifer: I see ye have an understanding of the pattern which Mary K. Greer calls the Tarot Constellations. Her second book of the same name discusses this concept in greater detail.
I need to add one wee thing:
The Personality-Soul pattern of 1-The Magician - 1-The Magician has 2 Shadow/Teacher/Hidden Factors: 10-Wheel of Fortune & 19-The Sun.
thanks MeeWah :)
Now time to go bed...
I wait advice and finally I Got..:) :)
have a nice day.....
Ilithiya
23-04-2005, 23:43
I just wanted to ping this to get confirmation that I was doing this right!
My SO's bday is 10-28-1979:
10+28+1979 = 2017; 2+0+1+7 =
10 Wheel of Fortune - Personality
1 Magician - Soul
19 Sun - Shadow
Am I right? Or not, where have I gone wrong? Thank you!
Illy
huredriel
24-04-2005, 04:31
Hi Lucifer,
And the Hanged Man would be?
psychic sue
24-04-2005, 08:58
Mmmmm. I've tried this out and I have got:
Strength as a soul card.
Star as a shdow card. Star is a positive card isn't it? Does this mean I am too optomistic or that I chose not to see the bad side of things? I am confused.
Sue x
Ilithiya: Based on the birthdate, those associations correct.
Psychic Sue: All cards inherently both positive & negative, so the same applies to the lifetime cards.
If 17-The Star based on 8-Strength as the Personality & Soul Card, then The Star acts as Shadow.
The Star can indicate looking at the bright side or not. To recognize/to know the self & the (unseen) potential as opposed to seeing the self through the eyes of others or according to their expectations/notions.
Sophie-David
20-05-2005, 00:55
Mmmmm. I've tried this out and I have got:
Strength as a soul card.
Star as a shdow card. Star is a positive card isn't it? Does this mean I am too optomistic or that I chose not to see the bad side of things? I am confused.
Sue x Hi Sue
I notice you have the same Soul, Personality and Shadow as my mentor. My personal inclination is that there is so much dispute concerning Arcanum #8 as to whether it is Strength or Justice, with good arguments on both sides, that those with this Soul Card actually manifest both cards - it is not "either/or", because it is both.
The Star is a very inspiring Shadow Card. I am quoting some of the indications from Mary K. Greer's The Complete Book of Tarot Reversals for the Star Reversed:
The Star Rx is like the heroine's journey into the underworld. You might shed all ideas of self that falsely depend on status, appearance, and possessions...On the inner level you may recognize yourself as a spark of the divine: the truth, of course, is that you are a self-luminous, self-contained being whose inner energy generation is perfectly balanced by your outflow and by the energies of those who gravitate to you...At the shamanic and magical level, this card refers to working with the elemental spirits, and with earth and plant medicines. Blessings - David
Sorry Guys...
But I'm still confused...
My birthday is 13/03/1981
Birthcard : 13 - Death
Life card : 8 - Strength and/ Justice ( Both of which I relate to totally)
So according to the previous posts, I'm supposed to find my Shadow Card using my Life Card.
--13
--03
1981
-----
1997 : 1+9+9+7 = 26 : 2+6=8
-----
So where does my Shadow Card come from??
Or do i not have a Shadow Card?
Sorry but I suck at maths... :p
Using Tarotbear's method you would have strenght justice as life and soul card and the star as your shadow card.
Using Tarotbear's method you would have strenght justice as life and soul card and the star as your shadow card.
The Star....
Thank you so much for the advice. But how do I derive the card?
Is there an equation for it as well?
Oh, I'm sure there is :)
I don't really understand how it works, but if you go to http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=55384 there's a diagram for how to figure out which your soul and shadow cards are based on your life card. Tarotbear explains it, but I don't see how it works out... I mean, I think I get the basic idea but when I do it I get different results so I'm obviously way of. I blame the language really (such a convinient excuse when english is your second one...).
Tarotbear uses same method I use, based originally on Angeles Arrien's system of deriving the Personality & Soul cards & subsequently expanded by Mary K. Greer.
This system based on the 22 Major Arcana. If the sum of the birthdate not in excess of 22 (since there are only 22 Major Arcana) & a single digit, that number represents both the Personality & the Soul. If the sum is 8, then 8 serves as both the Personality & the Soul.
Shadow Card is the 'hidden' Major Arcana card within another. Representative of the flip-side or the opposite of the Personality/Soul discussed in this thread. The Shadow is not 'bad' nor 'negative' per se, but the challenges in a lifetime that express as the hidden, unseen or repressed influences.
For example: 8-Strength is composed of the numbers 1+7. Then the Shadow Card 17-The Star.
Please refer to the beginning pages of this thread for the explanations & examples.
Birth Card is derived from the birth day only, & is discussed in another thread by Tarotbear:
Your Birth DAY card - according to Tarotbear
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=58242
A study of all such cards can provide insight & understanding on an individual basis.
Thank you thank you...
I think I get the drift...
So basically lets say I have 8.
So i break the number up (but keep it to below 22) and therefore I get 1+7 - 17 (The Star)?
Little Hare
19-11-2007, 20:08
Instead of starting a new thread... There are so many (my eyes hurt :D ) can someone please check my data too see if its Right? Maths has never been my strong suit
9th of April 1984
09/04/1984
**09
**04
1984
_____
1997
1+9+9+7=26 2+6=8
My soul card and personality are JUSTICE
Shadow card 1+7= The STAR
And and Meewah this is a great thread... at times confusing but it is wonderful too see all this knowledge put out here
:)
peace_pixie: Based on the birthdate, the results correct.
I take it the numbering of Justice as 8 based on the Marseille tradition where Justice, 8; Strength, 11.
In the Rider-Waite-Smith tradition, those cards vice versa with Strength as 8; Justice, 11.
Little Hare
19-11-2007, 23:11
Thank you meewah!
your a gem :)
Merenwen
21-11-2007, 08:47
It can be said that in Tarot, the Personality Card is the exterior expression of the individual; how one interacts with the environment & presents the self. It is the aspect that would tend to exhibit the influence of the exterior world on the person. In Astrology, it would be comparable to the action of the ascendant or rising sign.
The Soul Card describes the qualities & the purpose of the soul; its essence in the particular life. In astrological terms, it would be comparable to the Sun sign, which is indicative of an individual's character.
What really got me on this one is the fact that I have the same card for both Personal and Soul and the same sign for both Ascendant and Sun Sign. Basically I have the Emperor card for both cards and Sagitarius for both signs. I wonder if I'm the only one? (not the particular combo, just the double both)
hmm.. I used to have a keen interest in astrology. I think I might have a little trip to the book store to see if I can find Tarot Constellations.
Interesting to see that I have 2 shadow cards, something that explains a lot. I had heard of death as my shadow card before, but some of it just didn't ring true. Now I know the fool is involved as well, it clears some thing up.
Psiweapon
25-03-2008, 12:47
0018 - day
0006 - month
1986 - year
----
2010
2+0+1+0 = 3, The Empress
3= 1+2 or 2+1. The Hanged Man and The World
Ok, I've always liked numer three, but if having the Empress as personality card puzzles me to no end, I can't even begin to tell you how enigmatic seem the other two in my eyes...
Bramwolf
28-03-2008, 18:09
I do have a question, I've heard people talk about their Significator card, not seemingly one they picked out for a certain reading like the Court cards, but more of a lifetime card. Are they talking about the same thing, their Personality card, or is there something different that I haven't heard about to pick out your Significator card?
LadySquee
29-03-2008, 22:22
*bangs her head on desk*
****6
***27
*1986
______
2019
2+0+1+9=12 Hanged Man
1+2=3 The Empress
So let me get this straight...there's not really a set formula for the Shadow card?
I gathered it's a hidden combination of numbers in the above equations, but that could be anything.
Defeat!!!
Help?
LadySquee
31-03-2008, 01:17
I assume I was the last one to beat this topic to death O_o
missreeny
31-03-2008, 07:26
My personality card is an emperor and my soul card is an emperor 2! therefore my 'shadow' cards r the fool and death... Although from my point of view and with the help of the "Tarot for Your Self" book, i call them my Hidden Factor Cards & my Teacher Cards. I think right now the cards represent my 'shadow' self and in the future they will become my strong attributes/strengths, because i would have learnt from them greatly. I will hopefully bring these 'shadows' out from the depths of the unconcious and intergrate them into my concious mind... ;-0
I am really into the work of carl Jung and the psychology behind the shadow etc. These books are very good if u are intrested at all...
-Jung's psychology and its social meaning, IRA, PROGOFF
- The Cambridge companion to JUNG, Polly Young-Eisendrath
Also!!!! i would advise anyone to spend a few pennys on this little book, which is very short indeed but so insightful...
Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding the Dark Side of the Psyche
by Robert A. Johnson
I do have a question, I've heard people talk about their Significator card, not seemingly one they picked out for a certain reading like the Court cards, but more of a lifetime card. Are they talking about the same thing, their Personality card, or is there something different that I haven't heard about to pick out your Significator card?
The significator card traditionally refers to a card, usually a court card, chosen to represent a person in a spread.
For example: Some versions of the Celtic Cross Spread involves the use of a significator card before drawing the cards for the spread. Personally, do not use a signficator card in readings because that removes a card from the deck & eliminates its possible use in a throw.
Not familiar, however, with the term being used for a lifetime card. A lifetime card usually refers to the card or cards derived from calculating the birthdate, as demonstrated in this thread. Lifetime cards include the cards of Personality, Soul & Shadow (also known as the Hidden Factor).
Possible, however, some folks use one of those cards as a significator.
...
****6
***27
*1986
______
2019
2+0+1+9=12 Hanged Man
1+2=3 The Empress
So let me get this straight...there's not really a set formula for the Shadow card?
I gathered it's a hidden combination of numbers in the above equations, but that could be anything...
There is indeed a "formula" as explained in the thread's first post; also via examples in ensuing posts. The Shadow Card is a card that reflects the same number as both the Personality & Soul Cards in some form. & share a common lowest denominator--in this instance, the number '3'.
Hence, since your Personality is 12-The Hanged Man & Soul, 3-The Empress, your Shadow is 21-The World. The 3 cards form a configuration or a series of numbers compatible with each other & share the number 3 within their individual structure.
Iceman18
09-05-2008, 03:01
I just happened upon this thread during a google search about Shadow Cards. Now I'm curious about mine. My Birthday, 9/18/1981 totals out to 2008. So 2+8 = 10 - The World for personality
1+0= 1 - the Magician for Soul card.
now shadow...What makes 1? Well obviously 1+0 or 10, which brings me back to the Wheel or 0+1 which goes back to 1, the Magician. So are they both my Shadow cards?
Sorry if the answer is in the thread somewhere, I just couldn't go through 14 pages, lol. Where can I read more about what the personality and soul and shadow cards tell you about yourself?
Thanks!
I'm terrible at maths, so please excuse me, but am I right in saying
25
03
1972
-------
2000
So my personality and soul card is 20 - Judgement.
My shadow card is 2 - Magician
?
:confused:
Ok, so I am personality card 10 and soul card 1, making my shadow card 19.... So what does a Sun shadow card mean? Can anyone help me?
Astraea Aurora
09-05-2008, 09:59
I just happened upon this thread during a google search about Shadow Cards. Now I'm curious about mine. My Birthday, 9/18/1981 totals out to 2008. So 2+8 = 10 - The World for personality
1+0= 1 - the Magician for Soul card.
now shadow...What makes 1? Well obviously 1+0 or 10, which brings me back to the Wheel or 0+1 which goes back to 1, the Magician. So are they both my Shadow cards?
Sorry if the answer is in the thread somewhere, I just couldn't go through 14 pages, lol. Where can I read more about what the personality and soul and shadow cards tell you about yourself?
Thanks!
Hey Iceman18,
Your personality card is 10, The Wheel of Fortune (sorry, not the World!) and your soul card is 1, The Magician. Your shadow is then 19, The Sun if I remember correctly.
This method is explained in Mary K. Greer's book "Tarot For Your Self", I can highly recommend it!
Astraea Aurora :grin:
Astraea Aurora
09-05-2008, 10:07
I'm terrible at maths, so please excuse me, but am I right in saying
25
03
1972
-------
2000
So my personality and soul card is 20 - Judgement.
My shadow card is 2 - Magician
?
:confused:
Hey Essjay,
you got it almost right.
...25
...03
1972
------
2000 (you're right so far, but then ...)
2000 = 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 2
So both your personality and soul card are 2, The High Priestess.
[There's also another way of calculating these cards. With that you add each single digit to get your result. 2 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 9 + 7 + 2 = 29. Then, 29 is higher than 22, so again you add each digit, 2 + 9, and you get 11 as your personality card and 2 as your soul card. 2 is again the High Priestess, 11 is Justice or Strength, depending on your own system.]
Given that you use the first calculation (not the one in brackets) your shadow card is 11, Justice or Strength (again, depending on your choice which of those two cards values 11).
Astraea Aurora :grin:
Iceman18
09-05-2008, 13:44
Hey Iceman18,
Your personality card is 10, The Wheel of Fortune (sorry, not the World!) and your soul card is 1, The Magician. Your shadow is then 19, The Sun if I remember correctly.
This method is explained in Mary K. Greer's book "Tarot For Your Self", I can highly recommend it!
Astraea Aurora :grin:
Sorry! That's what I meant, the Wheel, not the World. I got it right the 2nd time, haha. So shadow is 19 because 1+9=10?
Astraea Aurora
10-05-2008, 06:20
Sorry! That's what I meant, the Wheel, not the World. I got it right the 2nd time, haha. So shadow is 19 because 1+9=10?
Correctly. Have fun with your cards!
Astraea Aurora :grin:
Hey Essjay,
you got it almost right.
...25
...03
1972
------
2000 (you're right so far, but then ...)
2000 = 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 2
So both your personality and soul card are 2, The High Priestess.
[There's also another way of calculating these cards. With that you add each single digit to get your result. 2 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 9 + 7 + 2 = 29. Then, 29 is higher than 22, so again you add each digit, 2 + 9, and you get 11 as your personality card and 2 as your soul card. 2 is again the High Priestess, 11 is Justice or Strength, depending on your own system.]
Given that you use the first calculation (not the one in brackets) your shadow card is 11, Justice or Strength (again, depending on your choice which of those two cards values 11).
Astraea Aurora :grin:
Thank you! :grin:
I get it now! I've been wondering how to work that out for ages....
:love:
Ok, so I am personality card 10 and soul card 1, making my shadow card 19.... So what does a Sun shadow card mean? Can anyone help me?
According to Mary K. Greer (as did Carl Jung), The Sun a "bright shadow".
Shadow cards of themselves not actually negative, but reflective of the deeper recesses of the psyche; the doubts, fears & insecurities.
Basically, a loner. Able to be self-motivated.
Possible reluctance or difficulty to reveal self to others, either via communications or otherwise.
& to not recognize thine own abilities, especially during the early years.
Instead of comparing the self with others, learning to trust the self & others, too, enhances the self-knowledge & thus, the life experiences.
In my experience, depression or other health conditions may be an issue.
According to Mary K. Greer (as did Carl Jung), The Sun a "bright shadow".
Shadow cards of themselves not actually negative, but reflective of the deeper recesses of the psyche; the doubts, fears & insecurities.
Basically, a loner. Able to be self-motivated.
Possible reluctance or difficulty to reveal self to others, either via communications or otherwise.
& to not recognize thine own abilities, especially during the early years.
Instead of comparing the self with others, learning to trust the self & others, too, enhances the self-knowledge & thus, the life experiences.
In my experience, depression or other health conditions may be an issue.
Wow, that's eerily accurate.
Astraea Aurora
11-05-2008, 18:29
According to Mary K. Greer (as did Carl Jung), The Sun a "bright shadow".
Shadow cards of themselves not actually negative, but reflective of the deeper recesses of the psyche; the doubts, fears & insecurities.
Basically, a loner. Able to be self-motivated.
Possible reluctance or difficulty to reveal self to others, either via communications or otherwise.
& to not recognize thine own abilities, especially during the early years.
Instead of comparing the self with others, learning to trust the self & others, too, enhances the self-knowledge & thus, the life experiences.
In my experience, depression or other health conditions may be an issue.
Thank you MeeWah for explaining! :love: I didn't have the book with me so I could explain it properly. And since I hate to be wrong and confuse everybody I shut up before I started talking :D
Astraea Aurora :grin:
Raya: Your feedback appreciated.
In a way, I see 19-The Sun's shadow aspect as similar to that of 17-The Star. Both cards possess qualities of illumination & clarity.
The Star, however, a 'night-time' card whilst The Sun, a 'daytime' card. Since all cards possessed of the capacity to express the exalted to the diminished aspects, then The Sun can pertain to general wellbeing; the healthy & successful or to the unhealthy & delayed or otherwise more challenging.
The Sun & The Star each offset their flipside equivalent of 1-The Magician (1+9=10=1) & 8-Strength (1+7=8), respectively. Thus, I included the qualities of The Magician in describing the attributes of The Sun (based on the personal studies of those cards & from reading for various individuals with those attributes.)
Where The Magician & The Sun concerned, both part of the configuration or that to which Greer refers as the "constellation" of 1-The Magician, 10-Wheel of Fortune, 19-The Sun. Those birthdates which result in a sum of 19 carry the influences of all three energetic patterns as do those which result in a sum of 1 or 10.
Depending on the particular sum, one or more of the cards or their "minor" aspects will be more evident at any one time. For example: Aces & 10 pip cards reflective of The Magician & Wheel of Fortune. The appearance of such cards in a throw to be significant & to refer to same.
Thank you MeeWah for explaining! :love: I didn't have the book with me so I could explain it properly. And since I hate to be wrong and confuse everybody I shut up before I started talking :D
Astraea Aurora :grin:
I confess: do not have the book handy either or would have included its ISBN. That posted based on that remembered & learned. Also tend to revert to reading mode during these discussions :)
Where The Magician & The Sun concerned, both part of the configuration or that to which Greer refers as the "constellation" of 1-The Magician, 10-Wheel of Fortune, 19-The Sun. Those birthdates which result in a sum of 19 carry the influences of all three energetic patterns as do those which result in a sum of 1 or 10.
It's funny, cuz I'm a leo, so my star is the sun, and I was born on the 19th of August, 19=sun. My life number/personality card add up to 10 and then 1. So I'm just a million kinds of the 1-10-19 Constellation. lol
Depending on the particular sum, one or more of the cards or their "minor" aspects will be more evident at any one time. For example: Aces & 10 pip cards reflective of The Magician & Wheel of Fortune. The appearance of such cards in a throw to be significant & to refer to same.
Hmm, I never thought of that. I'll have to keep it in mind. Thanks MeeWah!
Morwenna
31-07-2008, 22:13
Interesting.
I worked out myself, my husband and my parents. (Hubby & Daddy=soul card 6. Hmmm...) My question is my mom. Hers added up to 19, so would her soul card have been 10 or 1? Would her personality card have been 19 or 10?
(I'm one of those 18=9 people, no shadow card.)
Morwenna: If the first sum 19, then represents the Personality Card.
In my view, 10-Wheel of Fortune would be the Soul Card; 1-The Magician, the Shadow Card. Based on the understanding that 10 representative of the ability to adjust to changes & meet challenges. 1 related to focus & clarity, which would be the likely larger or largest challenge in life.
I think Mary K.Greer sees 10-Wheel of Fortune as the "Teacher Card" (with which I agree to some extent); & to 1-The Magician as the Soul Card. Since 10 falls between 19 & 1, I can see it as a Shadow Card for being 'hidden'.
Btw: 18-The Moon a 'night-time' card, so has a 'built-in' shadow quality.
[Edited for clarity.]