dadsnook2000
In this thread I want to do two things:
** I want to offer some views about the Sun and Moon in a relationship sense, how they work together.
** I also want to use some of the chart data posted previously by the participants to illustrate some of these themes -- hopefully with that person providing feedback about what is said.
To start this thread off, I will talk about the Sun-Moon cycle and I will utilize both aspects and phases as a means of defining the many relationships that seem useful in chart interpretation. Now, I am also going to try to avoid the repetition of text book meanings -- each of you can look those up yourselves. I merely wish to get your thinking processes engaged.
SUN CONUNCT MOON and MOON IN THE 1st "PERFORMER" PHASE
At this point in the Sun-Moon cycle the Moon is nowhere to be seen in the night sky. Prior to and at your birth moment, you experienced a phase where the Moon was approaching the Sun (as viewed from Earth). We can look at this point as meaning that the Moon was blocking the Sun's energy, that the Moon was consumed by the Sun's energy, that the two were combining into something new and different from their indiviudal meanings.
I have noted in several charts that new moon or eclipse babies and, later as young adults, have a curious lack of outwardly obvious energy. They seem quiet and "laid back" when you meet them. Yet, this stage is often claimed to be indicative of people whose actions cause them to be at odds with those around them, whose emotional make-up (moon) is such that they act impetuously (sun) and in their own immediate self-interests. This causes them to become the focus of other peoples attention.
I have also noted in several charts that an angular Moon or angular Sun-Moon pattern equates to autism, another way of acting out in ones life such that the person's actions cause consequences that others have to take note of.
Whenever the Sun and Moon are at/near conjunction, or when the Moon natally is within the first 45 degrees following the Sun (we see this in the sky at evening time as a crescent moon), that I initially view the person as some form of "performer" or person who acts in some ways in a very un-inhibited manner.
SUN SEMI-SQUARE MOON (opening semi-square) & 2nd "WORKER" PHASE
When the Moon has moved ahead of the Sun by 45 degrees up to 90 degrees, this phase is called the Worker Phase. One seems to be involved in breaking free of the past -- the way that parent lived and acted, the type of child-hood education and family practices learned when younger, or the way that ones culture and homeland acted. The effort seems to be to establish one's own identify.
In this phase, one may have reached (at time of birth) a position where the Moon was 45 degrees ahead of the Sun (a semi-square), is approaching a square at 90 degrees, or is near a sextile aspect (60 degrees). While near the 45 degree angle, one may just find it an uncomfortable part of their life to want to be themselves, near the 60 degree angle they may focus more on understanding the way their parents lived and worked and why things have to now change, while near the 90 degree aspect they take more obious action and rebellious approachs to re-shaping their lives. In this phase I would be sensitive to assessing the SUN-MOON relationship relative to the classical aspect the Moon was nearest, but would keep the overall theme of "working to change oneself" in mind.
SUN SQUARE MOON and the "ACTIVIST" PHASE.
The opening square aspect is well described in the text books. The Sun's will and identifty is challenged by the Moons emotional responses, habits and needs. This works out in boy-girl relationships, in health issues, in social and work formats as forms of conflict. This conflict is often one-sided as the person plunges into things and forces his values or needs onto others, and this may be very inconsistent in its application.
As a phase, this lasts from the 90 degree to the 135 degree area ahead of the Sun. So, this phase covers the square, the trine and the square-and-a-half aspects. Are there conflicts in this group of aspects relative to the phases' meaning of "Activist" wherein the person plunges into self-expression? Perhaps not. The square is accepted by all as signifying a struggle -- this meaning fits. The trine is generally seen as helping something function smoothly, with ease. Consider this; the person in this phase with a trine aspect may not see his/her adverse impact on others but just plows ahead in an oblivious way, trying to accomplish his/her tasks in his/her manner and expecting others to follow sutie. This is a different view of the trine aspect, isn't it?
Finally, the square and a half aspect of 135 degrees. As this portion of the Sun-Moon cycle is approach or is found in the natal chart, we know we are dealing with someone who symbolically has challenged the system, has had a time of getting away with questionable behavior, and now has to again make adjustments -- this time as if he/she had prior experience. At this phase or aspect we can perhaps assume that the chart owner has become aware that he/she needs to take on new tactics and find smarter, better ways to achieve things in the manner they have been using or are using.
So, I'll leave this topic at this point. Those of you who have these aspects or whose Sun-Moon phase is covered in this post may want to express your views of how you work out these SUN-MOON things. Dave
** I want to offer some views about the Sun and Moon in a relationship sense, how they work together.
** I also want to use some of the chart data posted previously by the participants to illustrate some of these themes -- hopefully with that person providing feedback about what is said.
To start this thread off, I will talk about the Sun-Moon cycle and I will utilize both aspects and phases as a means of defining the many relationships that seem useful in chart interpretation. Now, I am also going to try to avoid the repetition of text book meanings -- each of you can look those up yourselves. I merely wish to get your thinking processes engaged.
SUN CONUNCT MOON and MOON IN THE 1st "PERFORMER" PHASE
At this point in the Sun-Moon cycle the Moon is nowhere to be seen in the night sky. Prior to and at your birth moment, you experienced a phase where the Moon was approaching the Sun (as viewed from Earth). We can look at this point as meaning that the Moon was blocking the Sun's energy, that the Moon was consumed by the Sun's energy, that the two were combining into something new and different from their indiviudal meanings.
I have noted in several charts that new moon or eclipse babies and, later as young adults, have a curious lack of outwardly obvious energy. They seem quiet and "laid back" when you meet them. Yet, this stage is often claimed to be indicative of people whose actions cause them to be at odds with those around them, whose emotional make-up (moon) is such that they act impetuously (sun) and in their own immediate self-interests. This causes them to become the focus of other peoples attention.
I have also noted in several charts that an angular Moon or angular Sun-Moon pattern equates to autism, another way of acting out in ones life such that the person's actions cause consequences that others have to take note of.
Whenever the Sun and Moon are at/near conjunction, or when the Moon natally is within the first 45 degrees following the Sun (we see this in the sky at evening time as a crescent moon), that I initially view the person as some form of "performer" or person who acts in some ways in a very un-inhibited manner.
SUN SEMI-SQUARE MOON (opening semi-square) & 2nd "WORKER" PHASE
When the Moon has moved ahead of the Sun by 45 degrees up to 90 degrees, this phase is called the Worker Phase. One seems to be involved in breaking free of the past -- the way that parent lived and acted, the type of child-hood education and family practices learned when younger, or the way that ones culture and homeland acted. The effort seems to be to establish one's own identify.
In this phase, one may have reached (at time of birth) a position where the Moon was 45 degrees ahead of the Sun (a semi-square), is approaching a square at 90 degrees, or is near a sextile aspect (60 degrees). While near the 45 degree angle, one may just find it an uncomfortable part of their life to want to be themselves, near the 60 degree angle they may focus more on understanding the way their parents lived and worked and why things have to now change, while near the 90 degree aspect they take more obious action and rebellious approachs to re-shaping their lives. In this phase I would be sensitive to assessing the SUN-MOON relationship relative to the classical aspect the Moon was nearest, but would keep the overall theme of "working to change oneself" in mind.
SUN SQUARE MOON and the "ACTIVIST" PHASE.
The opening square aspect is well described in the text books. The Sun's will and identifty is challenged by the Moons emotional responses, habits and needs. This works out in boy-girl relationships, in health issues, in social and work formats as forms of conflict. This conflict is often one-sided as the person plunges into things and forces his values or needs onto others, and this may be very inconsistent in its application.
As a phase, this lasts from the 90 degree to the 135 degree area ahead of the Sun. So, this phase covers the square, the trine and the square-and-a-half aspects. Are there conflicts in this group of aspects relative to the phases' meaning of "Activist" wherein the person plunges into self-expression? Perhaps not. The square is accepted by all as signifying a struggle -- this meaning fits. The trine is generally seen as helping something function smoothly, with ease. Consider this; the person in this phase with a trine aspect may not see his/her adverse impact on others but just plows ahead in an oblivious way, trying to accomplish his/her tasks in his/her manner and expecting others to follow sutie. This is a different view of the trine aspect, isn't it?
Finally, the square and a half aspect of 135 degrees. As this portion of the Sun-Moon cycle is approach or is found in the natal chart, we know we are dealing with someone who symbolically has challenged the system, has had a time of getting away with questionable behavior, and now has to again make adjustments -- this time as if he/she had prior experience. At this phase or aspect we can perhaps assume that the chart owner has become aware that he/she needs to take on new tactics and find smarter, better ways to achieve things in the manner they have been using or are using.
So, I'll leave this topic at this point. Those of you who have these aspects or whose Sun-Moon phase is covered in this post may want to express your views of how you work out these SUN-MOON things. Dave