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dadsnook2000
25-02-2006, 06:31
It seems like an appropriate time to move forward in our discussions and sharing about the planets, specifically how Sun and Jupiter work together. This post will set some context for our discussion. And perhaps Wizzle will contribute another series of comments about our "lucky" planet.

Jupiter and Saturn are often refered to as "social" planets, the three outer planets as "generational" or "universal" or whatever, while the innter planets are typically referred to as "personal" planets. This is something that I have always disagreed with. Symbols tend to express themselves in various ways, most often they express themselves in every way possible. I have seen "personal" planets represent "social" or "mundane/worldly" affairs -- take the 9-11 airplane attack on the World Trade Center where Mercury was on the Ascendant signifying a "message." Not a personal message but a political world-wide message. On the other hand I recently did a chart for someone who had Pluto on the Ascendant degree. This person (also due to other factors) had an intense, magnetic, powerful influence upon another person -- more so than you would normally see in a chart having Pluto on/near the Ascendant. This was not a worldly situation, a social situation, but a very powerful personal level situation.

So, in these discussions to follow, we should be open to seeing, considering and hearing about a variety of situations and actions that span the whole range of experiences.

Together, Sun and Jupiter tend to frame our general health and attitude toward the outside world, bringing a sunny and happy, contented-but-wanting-more attitude to life, and actions such that they bring recognition and opportunities to the person who strongly embodies this Sun-Jupiter relationship.

Jupiter itself has been described as "bountiful, lucky, happy, expanding, greatness, wealth, business success -- as well as over-indulgence, greed, excessiveness. These commonly used words seem to be "personal" in nature and not social or mundane/worldly, don't they? Is this my bias or is this reflective of an earlier point that needs to be more carefully appreciated? Is Jupiter "social", "business", "cultural", or "personal" -- or all of them?

In my next post we will start our exploration of Sun-Jupiter, how the Sun can be seen to infuse and direct Jupiter's promises. We can again use the Phase Relationship Method in addition to any Aspects that some might have, and we will certainly want to look at folding in the Houses that are occupied by these two in order to see how Jupiter's promise works out. So, start reviewing your charts, see what aspects you might have between Sun and Jupiter, consider what houses in your chart that these two occupy, see if you can determine the Phase Relationship they have. And, consider whether Jupiter seems to express itself in your chart on a 1) Personal level, 2) Social, Business level, 3) a Worldly/Mundane/Generational level.
Dave

Crystelle
25-02-2006, 06:37
Dave,
Are the phases all the same for all of the relationships... or do they change in reference to the planets?
Crystelle

dadsnook2000
25-02-2006, 06:44
Phase meanings retain their basic meanings, however it makes sense to "tweek" them relative to the secondary meanings they have. We'll be exploring this. Dave

dadsnook2000
25-02-2006, 11:19
As we move into working with the outer planets we need to recognize that they exhibit a retrograde motion for significant portions of each year. There is nothing quick here as there are in the inner planets. An outer planet, and this is more true as you move outward toward Neptune and Pluto, may approach 1/3 of the year exhibiting retrograde movement. For the record, lets look at just a few examples:

MARS: On Oct. 1, 2005, with the Sun at 7 Libra, Mars turned retrograde at 23 Taurus. Mars was 194 degrees ahead of the Sun, more than a full opposition.
On Dec. 20, 2005 with the Sun at 18 Sag, Mars turned direct at 8 Taurus. Mars was 140 degrees ahead of the Sun at that time. Mars backtracked 54 degrees in relative terms compared to the Sun's position, 15 degrees in zodiac span.

So, Mars turned retrograde while in the Seeker Phase and fell back to near the start of the Analyst Phase. So, we have a situation where Mars can move direct thru the Analyst Phase and well into the Seeker Phase before retracing its steps back thru the Analyst Phase, and then preceeding fully thru the Seeker Phase and onto the rest of its cycle. It may be necessary to go back to the Sun-Mars threads and add some clarifying footnotes.

JUPITER: On Feb. 2, 2005, with the Sun at 13 Aquarius, Jupiter turned retro at 18 Libra, 245 degrees ahead of the Sun. On June 4, 2005, with the Sun at 14 Gemini, Jupiter turned direct at 8 Libra, 145 degrees ahead of the Sun.

So, Jupiter turned retrograde after entering the Believer Phase, when it abruptly started backing up all the way back thru the Seeker Phase and the bulk of the Analyst Phase. Symbolically, we have to add to our understanding of the Phase meanings to address this action.

So, lets lay out some simple key words for our Phases before we go ahead and explore these Phases in depth. Since there are no book references that I'm aware of, we have to be able to frame these meanings ourselves.

We will consider these Keywords for Sun and for Jupiter:
SUN -- Vitality, Will, Health, Focus
JUPITER -- Growth, Expansion, Preservation, Socialness

We will next take what we have learned about each Phases meaning and create, as we go, a Sun-Jupiter Phase Meaning. Following this, as each list participant responds and comments, we will refine each phase's meaning and will have, collictively, broken new astrological ground -- we will have all done something that nobody else has ever done.

A SIDE NOTE: I am repreinting each thread/topic we have covered so far so that they might be reproduced in Adobe Format. We'll have to see if we can arrange later for Solandia to store these for downloading similar to Thirteen's Tarot Lessons. In this way we can all have copies of what we have all done together. Those copies would have diagrams that explained more clearly what we have been doing. We'll see how that goes.

PERFORMER PHASE: 0 to 45 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One gravitates toward, or acts as if, one (who) was wealthy, generous, and highly optimistic. One tends to "live large" and encourage others, enjoys the fruits of life and is highly gregarious in nature. The only aspect that might occur in this phase is the opening semi-sextile

WORKER PHASE: 45 to 90 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One seems to find it difficult to demand or live with oportunities and expectations of success, or offers of encouragement and support from others. If ones parents or a past situation reflected a level of comfort above what is now experienced, one finds it hard to achieve that same situation in the same way -- one looks for better or different solutions to finding improvement. There are two possible aspects that might occur in this phase; the semi-square and the sextile.

ACTIVIST PHASE: 90 to 135 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One tends to strive for too much, to go overboard in acquisitions or enjoyment of life -- affecting health, reputation, leadership image and ability to move ahead cleanly and effectively. Too much may be attempeted and too much left undone. Aspects that might be effective in this phase are the square and the trine.

ANALYST PHASE: 135 to 180 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One's energy and vitality is more effectively directed to achieve and create opportunities. Adjustments in life style can help improve health and an ability to reach out to others. Retrograde: Vitality and health is threatened, paths to self-improvement are eagerly sought, ones resources are overcommited and not directed effectively. Aspects that can occur in this phase include the sesququadrate and inconjunct.

SEEKER PHASE: 180 to 215 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One proposes opportunities for others, encourages support, leads efforts to direct and maintain levels of success or wealth. Choices may be made that balance ones will, health, resources against ones hopes, commitments, greed or expectations of what others can offer. Imperial demands or selfless giving. Retrograde: One has to re-constitute prior offers or contracts, balance out ones resources, re-evaluate expectations or demands. Aspects that can occur in this phase include the opposition, the closing inconjunct.

BELIEVER PHASE: 215 to 270 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One uses one's reputation and prior successes to strive towards improvements in ones own life and immediate circle/family. One might join in another's push to expand resources or some crusade of social cause with the hope of gain. Retrograde: Retrograde motion merely brings one close to this phase for a short period of time. One sees how others can leverage their resources to benefit others but fails to heed this demonstration of support. Aspects that can occur in this phase: Closing sesquiquadrate, closing trine.

CHANGER PHASE: 270 to 315 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One defines new opportunites, creates substantial visions for oneself and for others. Health improves, vitality is infused within ones nature and the projects that one works at. Great recognition might be achieved. Aspects that can occur include the closing square and closing sextile.

PROPHET PHASE: 315 to 359 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One might lay out paths and visions for others, one bequeaths to others as a way of streamlining ones life and way of life. Wealth and resources become a tool for the benefit of others or to escape a life style that is no longer attractive.

Now these statements are "first voiced" possiblities based upon what has been established in astrological practice but which we are extending so as to investigate and confirm these phase meanings. Your feedback and discussion will show how close we have come to a successful set of statements.
Dave.

rcb30872
25-02-2006, 11:33
Hi Dave

I will give it a go:

Sun ~ 7 Vir 24
Jupiter ~ 28 Sag 32

So, if I am not mistaken then that would be 110 degrees, (doing maths in head, so I am hoping that it is roughly right). Which would make me in the Activist Phase. I can somewhat relate to what has been written, I do tend to take on far too much, and think that I can actually do more than I am actually capable, and when I do try to do it, my health suffers.

:love:

Bec

dadsnook2000
25-02-2006, 11:39
My Sun-Jupiter Phase is the WORKER PHASE. With Sun at 21 Virgo and Jupiter at 16 Sag, I'm 5 degrees short of the opening square (perhaps close enough to the square to be in the ACTIVIST PHASE).

I may have to disagree with my own statement. I don't think I've tried so much to be different or to find a different solution so much as I've tried to achieve my sucess within a totally different (generational) environment. My dad and mother achieved a comfortable life thru sheer hard work, long hours of effort. I've done it with my mind and imagination, a sense of just throwing myself into situations -- many of which were over my head, but in all of which I found a way to succeed. I won't bore you with the many details, only that as I now look at it (having never considered this before) I succeeded mostly on my own without benefit of contacts, although I also worked hard. Its uncanny, the more I think about this, the more I think I followed the same paths the same ways -- just at a different time and under totally different circumstances.

EDITED TO ADD:
My Sun is in the 4th, my Jupiter in the 6th. So, my values and beliefs (I did it may way -- F. Sinatra) are expressed thru my work and personal efforts. I apply my skills for my satisfaction.
Dave.
Dave

stardancer
25-02-2006, 13:50
PERFORMER PHASE: 0 to 45 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One gravitates toward, or acts as if, one (who) was wealthy, generous, and highly optimistic. One tends to "live large" and encourage others, enjoys the fruits of life and is highly gregarious in nature. The only aspect that might occur in this phase is the opening semi-sextile

Sun 28.03 Libra 1st house
Jup 21.53 Virgo 12th house

A 36.10 aspect. Division of 360 by 10 is 36. I've always wondered whether a 36 degree aspect should be important since it's a tenth harmonic. Or acts like a 5th (half of 72). Sorry, Dave, if this is out of the scope of this thread, but I've wondered. Also, do you consider a 45 aspect a semi square?

Anyway, I resemble the remarks above, but not all of the time and then only in it's place. I love living large and party hardy, but within my own boundaries. I also need equal peace, quiet and down time. Even at work, I like to keep pushing, and be busy and some times very gregarious. I call myself a Jupiter person (as opposed to a Saturn person - I really do sort people into either piles, lol). Saturn people annoy me. :o) Referring to Jupiter and Saturn as social planets makes sense if you look at it this way: there are worldly people, who are diverse. Then you have structured people who like safe. (And all the other millions and millions of variations). Jupiter vs. Saturn. Of course, the whole chart should be considered and I really don't snub a Saturn person, unless they are so utterly Saturn it's intolerable. But I really relate to Jupiter concepts and believe in learning and enjoying (which is one and the same thing to me).

Okay, I strayed again speaking of Saturn when we're not there yet. But I always compare the two. Can't talk about one without the other.

sarai21
25-02-2006, 14:03
My Jupiter28Cap04 and Sun16Aq38 sit in the Prophet phase. Can you clarify what you mean by resources? I can see that if it involves the second house- but how would this be in a first house situation? (there's my Cap rising focusing on money...)
Secondly(and a bit off topic) I have heard that Jupiter and its placement can affect a person's weight. Has anyone else heard of this? It would be an interesting thing to note in a chart reading if so.
Fiona

stardancer
25-02-2006, 14:18
imo, Jupiter = fat. Saturn = skinny.

rainwolf
25-02-2006, 20:36
I would say that they are tendencies, and that they are not just 'fat' or 'skinny'. Taking in all degrees of fat and skinny, this could mean that you gain a little weight around the holidays and lose it slowly, or you remain the same weight (restricted weight) at the same time.

I believe I am in the believer stage. Using prior success sounds like what I use for future improvements, in many different aspects.

(Sun sag, Jup pisces, almost trine)

dadsnook2000
26-02-2006, 02:29
rainwolf, you seem to have calculated in the wrong direction. You noted . . .
(Sun sag, Jup pisces, almost trine). Using Sun in Sag as the Anchor Point, Jupiter is further ahead of the Sun on the zodiac trail, in a sign that squres the Sun's sign. It would seem that you are in the Activist Phase.

Now, I would like to speak to everyone. In this portion of the Planet Series we have been looking at the Sun and how it expresses itself thru the other planets, giving them energy and vitality. In doing so, it makes sense to use the Sun as the Anchor Point for measuring aspects or phase relationships.

In general practice, whenever we use phase relationships between any pair of planets, we always use the slowest moving planet as the anchor point and the faster moving planet as the expression point. If we were not concentrating on how the Sun energizes, directs and expresses its will, warmth, ego, support, etc. in connection with Jupiter, then we would probably treat Jupiter (being apparently slower moving) as the anchor and the Sun as the expression point. IT ALL DEPENDS UPON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS TO HOW YOU USE THE METHOD (OR ANY METHOD IN ASTROLOGY).

This is why I also encourage you to think about the House Position of the Sun and Jupiter. This helps us more fully understand how the Sun lights up the other planets and integrates them into the chart. If the Sun, in anyone's chart, aspect two or three planets, then those planets may (I repeat, may) form the basis for understanding the whole chart -- those planets may shape the core personality and life experiences.

So, to get back to rainwolf, you may indeed relate to the Believer Stage in terms of how Jupiter expresses itself thru the Sun, but I would suggest you turn in around to the Activist Phase to understand how the Sun expresses itself thru Jupiter -- the mental gymnastics are interesting and help us grow in our understanding and use of astrology.

To better explore how the Sun integrates Jupiter into the core values of one's will, health, focus, direction, vitality, etc., use the phase meaning and the house meanings. Dave

stardancer
26-02-2006, 03:00
to rainwolf. Yes, they not just one or the other, but the symbology is there. Another question is, what do you have when a person has Jupiter/Saturn conj on the ascendent. My husband is a bit like that.

My Jupiter is conjunct the 12th house, and I relate to both the tendencies of the first and twelfth as it speaks through Jupiter. I can be just as gregarious as I can be a loner and perfectly comfortable alone with myself. I also love to delve into things to see what makes them tick and do things for people. Acknowledgement is okay, but I prefer no acknowledgement at all. It seems more fun to watch the surprise. I've always liked putting others in the center of attention.

rainwolf
26-02-2006, 12:30
go overboard in acquisitions or enjoyment of life -- affecting health, reputation, leadership image and ability to move ahead cleanly and effectively
Haha that sounds a lot more like me :| Not all the time, but an occasional characteristic of course.

WhiteRaven
26-02-2006, 23:59
PERFORMER PHASE: 0 to 45 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One gravitates toward, or acts as if, one (who) was wealthy, generous, and highly optimistic. One tends to "live large" and encourage others, enjoys the fruits of life and is highly gregarious in nature. The only aspect that might occur in this phase is the opening semi-sextile

Although I fall into this particular phase, I find that it is completely contrary to how I live and what I have experienced in my past. Perhaps it is because of my sun being so close to the MC...and also the aspects that include Jupiter within my chart...which is Jupiter square Moon and Jupiter square Mercury. Jupiter also sits in my 12 house. I do try to encourage others when they need....but I do not live large and have had many difficulties and obstacles in life so, I would not be able to say that I enjoy the fruits of life...not yet anyway..lol. I do give quite a bit when I can...but I am known to be a realist to the extreme and thus, optimisim is rarely in my vocabulary.
However, things seem to be changing ever so slowly these days (within the last year I would say), and I have to wonder if it has anything to do with my progressed chart at the moment and how the aspects are more harmionous with Jupiter right now.

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 00:25
For all participants in the Planet Series . . . There are two overall issues to keep in mind.

FIRST: During this series we will be giving particular attention to six planetary pairs which we will explore AS SHORTCUTS TO UNDERSTANDING A CHART. These six pairs will explore phase relationships:
** Sun & Moon . . . our basic personality
** Saturn & Moon . . . our cultural and family heritage
** Mars & Venus . . . our poise and sexuality
** Jupiter & Mercury . . . our communication skills
** Jupiter & Saturn . . . how we conduct our lives
** Saturn & Uranus . . . how we change our lives

SECOND: The understanding of any planetary pair serves primarily as a small one-sentance statement of understanding. We choose which planets seem importantly placed or paired in our chart -- then we look at them in aspect or in phase relationship and create a sentance-picture -- then we combine three or four or maybe six of these into a rough sketch of our life and personality.

From this sketch, we then start placing all of the details we choose to use (signs, asteroids, TNP, uranian hypotheticals, Centaurs, arabian parts, sabian symbols, mid-points, houses, harmonics, whatever) onto this basic sketched-out framework. This allows us to choose which details to use to fill in the picture with colors. The original three or six statements are used to construct the picture, a true picture. The details fill it in. Dave

PS After this Sun-Jupiter thread we will digress and jumpt to the Saturn-Moon exploration -- a very deep and personal combination that will have us thinking about our childhood, heritage, the baggage we carry into adult life. For some, this may be painful, but for all it will be revealing and worthwhile.

huredriel
27-02-2006, 03:08
PERFORMER PHASE: 0 to 45 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One gravitates toward, or acts as if, one (who) was wealthy, generous, and highly optimistic. One tends to "live large" and encourage others, enjoys the fruits of life and is highly gregarious in nature. The only aspect that might occur in this phase is the opening semi-sextile

Well I think I'm in the performer phase .... with Sun in Leo at 26-31, and Jupiter in Virgo at 11-57 ...... take it there is only about 14-15 degrees between them. Would agree with all of what Dave has put about this phase except the optimistic part ....... I've always seen myself as an *optimistic pessimist* ...... if you look on the down side, anything good is a bonus, although I'm trying to change that these days ...... can be gregarious, when the mood takes, but not all the time. No major aspect between the two that is noted at astro.

Both however are in House 10, so not quite sure how that pans out to be honest *wrinkles forehead*

prudence
27-02-2006, 03:44
BELIEVER PHASE: 215 to 270 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One uses one's reputation and prior successes to strive towards improvements in ones own life and immediate circle/family. One might join in another's push to expand resources or some crusade of social cause with the hope of gain. Retrograde: Retrograde motion merely brings one close to this phase for a short period of time. One sees how others can leverage their resources to benefit others but fails to heed this demonstration of support. Aspects that can occur in this phase: Closing sesquiquadrate, closing trine.
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I think this is where I am , but it doesn't resonate with me very much. I don't see myself as using my reputation and prior successes....but when I do go about doing some things, that require a lot of inner determination, I do look to my past, at times in which I have mustered a lot of strength, and remind myself that if I did it before, I can do it again. So, in this repsect, it does resonate. Jupiter is in a trine with my Sun, and also with my Venus.(Jupiter is at 5 degrees Scorpio, in the 8th House)

SirenRising
27-02-2006, 03:57
PERFORMER PHASE: 0 to 45 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One gravitates toward, or acts as if, one (who) was wealthy, generous, and highly optimistic. One tends to "live large" and encourage others, enjoys the fruits of life and is highly gregarious in nature. The only aspect that might occur in this phase is the opening semi-sextile

Sun Virgo 13 (house 6 or 5?)
Jupiter Leo 25 (house 5)

Although i'm optimistic (not «highly»), my sun makes a very close contact to saturn, which makes me too serious to «live large» or (even less) to «act» wealthy. On the other side i am generous and tend to give carte blanche...

squeakmo9
27-02-2006, 05:03
We will consider these Keywords for Sun and for Jupiter:
SUN -- Vitality, Will, Health, Focus
JUPITER -- Growth, Expansion, Preservation, Socialness

WORKER PHASE: 45 to 90 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One seems to find it difficult to demand or live with oportunities and expectations of success, or offers of encouragement and support from others. If ones parents or a past situation reflected a level of comfort above what is now experienced, one finds it hard to achieve that same situation in the same way -- one looks for better or different solutions to finding improvement. There are two possible aspects that might occur in this phase; the semi-square and the sextile.


My Sun is in Tau 18 degrees, 9th house quintile Jupiter in Cancer 27 degrees, 12th house.
I never really paid any attention to this connection because the quintile didn't appear to be a significant aspect as say a sextile. I do see the sense of how I followed one of my parent's profession but have not had the same success as they. In fact have come across more frustration, especially when I first began, than anything. Since these two highlight the 9th and 12th house, I have identified with the parental take on spiritual growth from an early age. My father was an astrologer, so I was exposed to an "alternative" way of looking at things even though I wasn't able to fully understand how to apply these details of my life. I am not an astologer, by any means, LOL! I perceive the connection of this Sun and Jupiter as a "blessing" of sorts to work toward an understanding of life circumstances and how it leads to inner growth, I guess.

Crystelle
27-02-2006, 06:52
I find that my degrees difference 49.78 (if you wouldn't mind checking the math Dave, I'd be most appreciative!)

Sun Sagittarius 23.00
Jupiter Scorpio 3.22


Which means I am in the...
WORKER PHASE: 45 to 90 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One seems to find it difficult to demand or live with oportunities and expectations of success, or offers of encouragement and support from others. If ones parents or a past situation reflected a level of comfort above what is now experienced, one finds it hard to achieve that same situation in the same way -- one looks for better or different solutions to finding improvement. There are two possible aspects that might occur in this phase; the semi-square and the sextile.

The only part of this I can identify with is that I find it hard to accept encouragement from others -- I always doubt their intentions. However, as I said in the title, I feel that the PERFORMER PHASE or BELIEVER PHASE resonates more distinctly with me. Perhaps my math is a bit off or I haven't seen some aspect of the relationship that would change the description a bit.

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 10:05
Optimistic Pessimist ? --- That would be Sun square Neptune. Sun's vitality, joy and will is challenged (square) by Neptune's illusions, fears, uncertainty. This is another of those building blocks that have to be considered within the chart. The art is putting them together such that we can understand them or explain them to another. Dave.

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 10:12
You noted . . . So, in this repsect, it does resonate. Jupiter is in a trine with my Sun, and also with my Venus.(Jupiter is at 5 degrees Scorpio, in the 8th House)

Well, Sun is conjunct the "minor benefic" and trine the "major benefic" -- what more do you want? Of course you can do it, you can screw up and still come up smelling like roses. Dave.

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 10:32
You have two acute patterns -- Sun conjunct Saturn, and both of those opposite the Moon. These will probably over ride much of your chart in terms of their influence.

By themselves, these pairs suggest:
** Sun conj. Saturn: Inhibition, seriousness, difficult struggles in life.
** Sun opp. Moon: Fluctuations in being balanced or in uncertainty. To know, do, or don't do -- that is the question.
** Saturn opp. Moon: A conflict within your identity or past hinders your achieving balance quickly.

You can put these elements together in terms of your enviornment and social structures. Chances are the basic symbols will work out in several different variants.

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 10:34
You have much the same experience in this regard as I have had. Read my posting early in this thread. We do the same thing, only different, try to achieve the same things but end up with a variant. Are we following a well-trod path or are we in a inter-generational rut? Dave

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 10:57
Actually, your Sun-Jupiter is in the Performer Phase and approaching the Prophet Phase. So, you need to think in terms of obviously using this phase as well as taking a relatively short-term approach so that you can convert this plus by somehow giving it away or sharing it. Dave

Let us know, this sounds fascinating.

huredriel
27-02-2006, 19:44
Thanks Dave,

Much appreciated. I'm still trying to work out how the Sun and Jupiter act together *house-wise* ... both in 10th .... occupation and calling (from astro?) ..... hmmm maybe I'm in the wrong job, cos I would have thought that these two would be more in the *caring* sector (I'm in the legal arena LOL).

x Huredriel

dadsnook2000
27-02-2006, 22:30
When using "transiting-type" charts such as Solar Returns, Lunar Returns and daily-progressed Solar Returns, the Sun represents authorities and recognition while Jupiter represents (among other things) legalities, social programs, etc. Dave

huredriel
27-02-2006, 22:37
Many thanks Dave :)

Crystelle
28-02-2006, 00:28
Actually, your Sun-Jupiter is in the Performer Phase and approaching the Prophet Phase. So, you need to think in terms of obviously using this phase as well as taking a relatively short-term approach so that you can convert this plus by somehow giving it away or sharing it. Dave
Let us know, this sounds fascinating.

PERFORMER PHASE: 0 to 45 degrees; Sun to Jupiter.
One gravitates toward, or acts as if, one (who) was wealthy, generous, and highly optimistic. One tends to "live large" and encourage others, enjoys the fruits of life and is highly gregarious in nature. The only aspect that might occur in this phase is the opening semi-sextile

Approaching -->
PROPHET PHASE: 315 to 359 degrees; Sun to Jupiter
One might lay out paths and visions for others, one bequeaths to others as a way of streamlining ones life and way of life. Wealth and resources become a tool for the benefit of others or to escape a life style that is no longer attractive.

This sounds like me! Funny that I thought maybe I was more a Performer phase and it turns out that I was! I am very gregarious, I love life and I love living life. I always tend to attract very wealthy people and very broke people -- they share my outlook on money, it is to be spent for enjoyment, hoarding it does no good! LOL I am always trying to be the good hostess, making sure everyone has fun, including everyone in the discussion. I am constantly trying to find ways to help people around me advance. I help market my BF's business for free, I help people put together budgets, I got two of my friends jobs (that they both love!) when they needed them. I think this is a much better fit than my calculations....
Dadsnook, what did I do wrong in the math? Thanks!

Crystelle

squeakmo9
28-02-2006, 10:18
You have much the same experience in this regard as I have had. Read my posting early in this thread. We do the same thing, only different, try to achieve the same things but end up with a variant. Are we following a well-trod path or are we in a inter-generational rut? Dave

I know that I'll probably have to get off this well worn path sooner or later but haven't figured on how to apply what it is I can offer in another capacity, another field. So, for me, that would be a "yes" to both the well-trod path and inter-generational rut, at least now I have a name for the discomfort I was feeling these past few years:)

Crystelle
01-03-2006, 01:06
oops perhaps not the right thread
Crystelle

prudence
01-03-2006, 02:43
You noted . . . So, in this repsect, it does resonate. Jupiter is in a trine with my Sun, and also with my Venus.(Jupiter is at 5 degrees Scorpio, in the 8th House)

Well, Sun is conjunct the "minor benefic" and trine the "major benefic" -- what more do you want? Of course you can do it, you can screw up and still come up smelling like roses. Dave.

Gee, I never realized this. Thanks. Hmmm, I will have to think long and hard about the "still come up smelling like roses" part, and see if it fits into my life so far. I mean, for sure I have screwed up many times, but I am not sure if I came out of it so well....