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dadsnook2000
07-04-2006, 22:09
Jupiter, the big daddy of the Solar System, the only body other than the Sun that radiates more energy than it takes in, a planet whose mass exceeds that of all the other planets and asteroids and "stuff" combined -- this is the focus of the discussion in this thread.

Astrologically, Jupiter is associated with skills, events and proclivities relating to the law, religion, social harmony, expansion of all kinds, acquisitions, the big picture. On the negative side, Jupiter can be related to injustice, excessive and bad social engagement, obsession and pleasure-seeking, a "whats in it for me" attitude. People who are "Jupiter-like" might include government buearacrats, judges, religous affiliates, treasure seekers, banking officials, real estate agents and developers.

The funny thing about Jupiter is that many cannot, when asked, quickly come up with Jupiter attributes in their lives. Jupiter, for many, is not as up-front-and-personal as Sun, Moon or Mars -- it sort of moves over into the "theme of my life" side of the ledger. Yet, this "lifes theme" shows up in very important ways. I have seen that it is easy to understand Jupiter's role in your life by simply considering the chart house where Jupiter is located. In this view, placing Jupiter's meanings into a single sentance will suddenly give this important planet a focus that starts to unravel its influence throughout the chart.

So, lets take a quick look at Jupiter in the chart houses. We will look at the positive side of Jupiter, keeping in mind that opposite or derived negative meanings can apply depending upon the aspects and planets that may be involved with Jupiter.
#1 Image of honesty and being "larger than life", helpful and encouraging.
#2 Generosity, enjoyment of life's comforts, financial focus.
#3 Developing a large circle of friends, a carefree approach to life.
#4 Justice applied, fairness, working to save and repair and expand.
#5 Confidence, venturing into large endeavors, vanity (opps, a negative).
#6 Ethics and advice, overseeing and management, teamwork.
#7 Conversational, socially active, in public view, "what can you do for me?"
#8 Optimism expressed, striving for acquisition, materialistic.
#9 Feeling noble, self-pride and growth thru study, travel experiences.
#10 Responsibility accepted, qualities of leadership, ethical positioning.
#11 Hope, social interaction, application of justice.
#12 Kind-heartedness, enjoyment in retreat, self-modesty and helping others in quiet ways.

This thread will be the first of at least two regarding Jupiter. We can each share our placement of Jupiter in our chart, the "life theme" that it seems to represent, and the specific ways we interact and express that life theme. Have fun with this. Dave

huredriel
07-04-2006, 22:36
I have natal Jupiter in House 10 ...... in the sign of Virgo at 11-57-52,

however progressed at today's date is in House 9, Virgo but only 00-04-22

#9 Feeling noble, self-pride and growth thru study, travel experiences.
#10 Responsibility accepted, qualities of leadership, ethical positioning.
So I can definitely agree with the House 9 part of growth thru study ...... and being in the sign of Virgo, I'm trying to be quite exact about it ........ although at times, possibly incurring negative aspects .... i.e. obsessive need for tidying up of ends that probably don't need it etc.

Not sure I can see much with the natal House 10 though ..... apart from always tried to be *responsible*, especially for self ....... do have quite high list of *ethics* as well mind :)

Being a house *behind* as it were ....... does this mean Jupiter has come nearly full circle over the last few decades?

WhiteRaven
07-04-2006, 23:20
Hello Dave.... :)
I'm popping in for a few while I have some time.
Hoping you are doing well....

On Topic now:

My Jupiter is found in the 12th house in the sign of Aries.

So, with that said....I shall quote you here:
#12 Kind-heartedness, enjoyment in retreat, self-modesty and helping others in quiet ways.

And within my Progressed chart for this day...
Jupiter is found within my 10th house, again in the sign of Aries...

#10 Responsibility accepted, qualities of leadership, ethical positioning.

As I've walked my path in this lifetime, I have tried to be as much as the 12th house theme....and where I am at now I find that I do have a huge amount of resposibility and I have accepted that. My ethical positioning is quite high and often looked upon as a very high expectation to meet by others. There is a blend with the natal position and the progressed at this time...enjoyment of retreat is of the highest to regain some stability and balance to maintain the responsibility and leadership mode.

I hope this makes sense... :)

dadsnook2000
07-04-2006, 23:25
I'm a bit confused over your "progressed" Jupiter being back at 0 Virgo. By my rough eye-ball counting, your progressed Jupiter should be around 20 Virgo. Due to its position near the Sun, it isn't likely to ever progress in retrograde motion backward thru Virgo.

Perhaps we should look again at the tenth house meanings for Jupiter in terms of a life theme. You identified with the ninth house "study for growth" but this could also be a short-term expression of a long-term (10th house) sense of self responsibility. The Virgo stuff could also be 10th house stuff -- as well as the obsessive tidying up bit, as that is part of feeling the need to be on display and being a good example (Sun progressed into Virgo).

Can you step back in your life and consider yourself 5, 10, 15 years ago? Did you express 10th house or 9th house stuff mostly?

Dave

huredriel
07-04-2006, 23:40
Ah sorry Dave, my fault ..... I'm just getting used to looking at the stuff on the progressed charts .... it is indeed 20 ..... what it has in the table at astro is 20 Vir 4'22".

Perhaps we should look again at the tenth house meanings for Jupiter in terms of a life theme. You identified with the ninth house "study for growth" but this could also be a short-term expression of a long-term (10th house) sense of self responsibility.
Right I get ya ..... and yes this would tie in precisely with where I am now.

As for 5, 10, 15 years ago ..... if I can remember anything major around that time ...... 5 years ago would be the travel experiences definitely though responsibility and leadership (teaching karate) (9th & 10th) ...... 10 years was pretty much the same as 5 years ago, although 1995-1996 was a big changing year .. responsibilities considered probably more than study .... and 15 years ago ..... hmmmm was going through a lot of emotional stuff so not sure on that one. I would say from the little I've gleaned so far, that in all these experiences my Virgo has been quite dominant as it were (though obviously there would be interaction from other aspects) ...... as in each situation I've been in, I've tried to do the *right* thing (responsibility and ethics) ...... and leave nothing fluttering in the wind as it were.

Am I making sense of this correctly?

stardancer
08-04-2006, 00:34
Ole Hubris Head.

#12 Kind-heartedness, enjoyment in retreat, self-modesty and helping others in quiet ways.

This is true of me, but you know what comes with that? Jupiter is so big, he can't but help insert his arrogance. He's thinking people should do a good deed without the attention or back scratching that a lot assume is suppose to go with it. And that you should do a good deed that is really needed or wanted, not what you are merely willing to do or something you think the other person needs because out of your own arrogance or short sidedness in that you only do what you want in return.

Oh wait, that's supposed to be a relationship, lol.

Jupiter is arrogantly humble in my chart that way.

But I do very much enjoy retreating to myself and I always have a lot of self projects and interests going on.

prudence
08-04-2006, 02:08
house #8 optimism expressed, striving for acquisition, materialisitc

My jup is in 8th house, at 5 degrees scorpio. But, I made a big mistake, I am not sure how much it affects my chart and all of this that we have been doing here, but I forgt to list the planets that are retrograde in my chart....Jupiter is one of them.

I definitely try to be optimistic. I have a lot of hope. But materialistic? Not terribly. I generally have a slight disdain for it actually. (sometimes not so slight) I don't like shopping, not at all a clothes horse, not a trophy car person, and I do not like the idea that we are meant to be consumers first and foremost. Is this due to the retrograde? (Or is it due to my saturn being in my second house?) It just feels wrong to me, to own things that we do not actually *need*.

isthmus nekoi
08-04-2006, 02:58
Jupiter in 8th, Libra.

#8 Optimism expressed, striving for acquisition, materialistic.

Optimism... yes, but overall? I think it depends on the situation. Jupiter is sextile my Sag moon though, so it's very easy for me to be sunny and laugh.

I think if you consider the balsamic (prophet?) phases in my chart, striving for aquisitions and material things doesn't really suit my personality which is more about shedding away such things. Jupiter is conjunct Saturn, and is the ruler of my 2nd house - that probably adds more restraint to the traditional interpretation.

What about non-material 8th house stuff like death, the occult etc? Those probably apply to me more.

p.s. I swear Astrid, I'm not trying to copy you or anything in these threads - this is all just weird coincidence.

dadsnook2000
08-04-2006, 03:08
Astrid O and isthmus nekoi, there are no coincidences in terms of your sharing views and practices relative to Jupiter in the 8th house. Each component of the astrological chart has a general meaning. You both have Jupiter in the 8th, you both experience and are aware of that general meaning.

That said, Astrid O, your Jupiter retrograde and Saturn in the 2nd both help to modify the general meaning of Jupiter. Retrogrades often twist or express their meaning in different ways or thru other people. Saturn in the 2nd is a big modifier of your outlook. I think you nailed these conditions quite nicely.

And, isthmus nekoi, your perception of how phases modify your approach to using Jupiter is quite appropriate also.

So, we have two great observations and confirmations here, as well as a good reminder that one component in a chart is not a sure thing. Everything in the chart can play a role in our lives if we let it. Dave

prudence
08-04-2006, 03:21
Jupiter in 8th, Libra.

#8 Optimism expressed, striving for acquisition, materialistic.

Optimism... yes, but overall? I think it depends on the situation. Jupiter is sextile my Sag moon though, so it's very easy for me to be sunny and laugh.

I think if you consider the balsamic (prophet?) phases in my chart, striving for aquisitions and material things doesn't really suit my personality which is more about shedding away such things. Jupiter is conjunct Saturn, and is the ruler of my 2nd house - that probably adds more restraint to the traditional interpretation.

What about non-material 8th house stuff like death, the occult etc? Those probably apply to me more.

p.s. I swear Astrid, I'm not trying to copy you or anything in these threads - this is all just weird coincidence.


LOL That is a bit weird!! I just realized (copying from Isthmus' homework) that my Saturn is opposite my jupiterl...so is this similar to your Jupietr conjunct saturn in how it "feels"?

Could the 12th house sun also play a part in the wanting to strip away material stuff?

Racking up a lot of experiences involving death, and the occult has been a pattern in my life as well. (beginning with being born into a family in which 2 babies had died, there was a definite flavor of death from the get go, and before them, a maternal grandparent had committed suicide when my mother was around 20....so, death was abundant, and it hung around my family and I, making us feel different than other "normal" families)

prudence
08-04-2006, 03:42
Astrid O and isthmus nekoi, there are no coincidences in terms of your sharing views and practices relative to Jupiter in the 8th house. Each component of the astrological chart has a general meaning. You both have Jupiter in the 8th, you both experience and are aware of that general meaning.

That said, Astrid O, your Jupiter retrograde and Saturn in the 2nd both help to modify the general meaning of Jupiter. Retrogrades often twist or express their meaning in different ways or thru other people. Saturn in the 2nd is a big modifier of your outlook. I think you nailed these conditions quite nicely.

And, isthmus nekoi, your perception of how phases modify your approach to using Jupiter is quite appropriate also.

So, we have two great observations and confirmations here, as well as a good reminder that one component in a chart is not a sure thing. Everything in the chart can play a role in our lives if we let it. Dave

Thanks Dave. It took me so long to post that last reply, you beat me to posting....I will need to go back and look at the other retro planets in my chart, and apply what you said here to them as well.

dadsnook2000
08-04-2006, 07:36
#6 Ethics and advice, overseeing and management, teamwork.

My Jupiter is at 16-17 Sag in the 6th house, the focus planet of a T-Square between Sun/Neptune and Saturn in the 4-10 axis.

Work always finds me. I always have more work to do then I care to think about. I can change jobs on a whim and have a new job in a new career field within minutes. Highly confident, always looking at the big picture, always advancing or taking charge -- all the Jupiter things. The one thing that doesn't ring true for me is "teamwork", probably an influence of Sag and/or Saturn, as I prefer working in small groups. Yet, I've managed groups and organizations of several hundred people.

Then again, I once founded an astrological study group that grew to over 20 members and which met weekly for seven years. We had a very active program going. On night a lady asked who the President was (it was me) -- I guess I was a little low key at that point but many of us had been so close over the years that we just ran things without conflict or discussion.

Dave

squeakmo9
08-04-2006, 08:22
#12 Kind-heartedness, enjoyment in retreat, self-modesty and helping others in quiet ways.


Wow, this is a really a nice interp, I have Jupiter in the 12th in Cancer. I suppose my greatest outlet for expression of this energy is at work, where almost everyone is female. I also find it easy to express this soft, fuzzy side with family/close friends. There is also a trine with Neptune in my 4th house. I find my home a sanctuary and a great source for recharging and we are always busy trying to fix the old girl up, our house is 100+ years old...so she's come a long way baby! Because my mom and I share similar interests in spiritual talk, we have many a conversation on the "whys" and "hows" of the spiritual found in the mundane. I never really thought of my Jupiter placement as more than spiritual intervention when needed the most, so this is a nice, fresh look at how this energy could express itself. Thanks Dave.

isthmus nekoi
09-04-2006, 05:52
You have a 12th house sun too, Astrid?.... LOL. Moi aussi. Yeah, this is what I meant by coincidence - it looks like we share a lot of astro factors. No surprize we have similar views on commodity aquisition and such like.

I'm think 12th house sun is a factor, but a minor one. I think the Saturn contacts are probably much more indicative of our attitudes towards "stuff".

I don't think I've been exposed to more death than is natural. But I did almost die before, when I was young. I can't recall ever having a negative attitude towards death. As for the occult... was into tarot before astrology. I used to love horror and all that sort of thing as a teen.

prudence
09-04-2006, 09:11
You have a 12th house sun too, Astrid?.... LOL. Moi aussi. Yeah, this is what I meant by coincidence - it looks like we share a lot of astro factors. No surprize we have similar views on commodity aquisition and such like.

I'm think 12th house sun is a factor, but a minor one. I think the Saturn contacts are probably much more indicative of our attitudes towards "stuff".

I don't think I've been exposed to more death than is natural. But I did almost die before, when I was young. I can't recall ever having a negative attitude towards death. As for the occult... was into tarot before astrology. I used to love horror and all that sort of thing as a teen.

okay Isthmus, the almost dying thing, another match. (2 X, very close, a few more times fairly close, like almost falling to my death from a ledge on Smith Rock in Oregon, I am only counting that one as fairly close)....and all of that mars stuff we share in common, the bully baiting in childhood....I did all of that stuff with my best friend(we're still best friends,too) who is a Cap Sun, on cusp of 12th house, Mars in aries in 1st house...and a few other similar things in the chart. Funny, eh?

star-lover
09-04-2006, 13:28
i have jupiter in sagitarius in my 4th house conjunct my moon
all i can think of right now is that i have been a life long student studying from home on various courses
trine uranus in 12th and astrology being one of them
interior design being another (sextile my venus in 2nd)
and on another note have this life long fascination with finding the truth/getting to bottom of things if that makes sense
always been a stay at home person but travelling from here if you see what i mean and the www has helped alot in this respect
x

isthmus nekoi
10-04-2006, 02:54
okay Isthmus, the almost dying thing, another match. (2 X, very close, a few more times fairly close, like almost falling to my death from a ledge on Smith Rock in Oregon, I am only counting that one as fairly close)....and all of that mars stuff we share in common, the bully baiting in childhood....I did all of that stuff with my best friend(we're still best friends,too) who is a Cap Sun, on cusp of 12th house, Mars in aries in 1st house...and a few other similar things in the chart. Funny, eh?

Ah, a very good friend of mine, 12th house Aquarius sun (I'm Cap), also has Mars conj ASC. Both Aquarius ASCs. Both fire moons (in trine). I think this makes sense. When you share a strong Mars, 12th house activity as women, you may share similar problems in terms of breaking traditional gender roles... sort of a bonding thing...

It would be interesting to see what else we have in common (maybe outside this thread though, we're getting rather off topic now...)

dadsnook2000
10-04-2006, 03:55
Sometimes a 12th house Mars can act very un-Mars-like, sort of like a proactive Venus. Not necessarily an agressive Venus, but definitely an active, helping, sharing Venus. Dave

isthmus nekoi
11-04-2006, 03:30
Sometimes a 12th house Mars can act very un-Mars-like, sort of like a proactive Venus. Not necessarily an agressive Venus, but definitely an active, helping, sharing Venus. Dave

That's a good point. 12th is generally considered a negative house, but that sounds a bit easier than having a 1st house Mars - at least for women, who are raised to hide their aggression and other Martian qualities anyways. Hard to hide a 1st house Mars lol. I can't personally recall any women w/a 12th house Mars right off the top of my head, but I can see how it would possibly be easier on females despite the 12th's notorious reputation!

dadsnook2000
11-04-2006, 07:39
The 12th house is not a bad house. It is the house that has just risen at the time of your birth, it acts sort of like a welcoming committee. Everyone with a 12th house Sun that I have met has been charming, sunny, alert, sensitive, helpful and fun to be with.

And, your birth 12th house moves to your MC before your ASC and 1st house does, so it must be an important zone for each of us. Someday we will have to do a Planets in Houses series. Dave

SirenRising
11-04-2006, 07:44
Jupiter in Leo in the 5th...

#5 Confidence, venturing into large endeavors, vanity (opps, a negative).Dave
...I might exagerate (sometimes) and be arrogant but, also, i relate very well with children - when i'm not in a distant mood. My Jupiter squares Uranus and trines my ascendant... I think this square is just too erratic itself, i don't know how affects me... i see these 2 planets together bringing eccentricy.

#1 Image of honesty and being "larger than life", helpful and encouraging.Dave
I like to encourage my friends and i have an image of honesty i like to preserve.

amysquie
14-04-2006, 08:55
My natal chart from astro.com says "Jupiter is technically near the end of house 6 and is interpreted in house 7" so to quote both your life themes:

#6 Ethics and advice, overseeing and management, teamwork.
#7 Conversational, socially active, in public view, "what can you do for me?"

However #6 sounds way more like me than #7, I am in no shape or form a social butterfly! People do tend to ask my advice though, and I like being in charge but also having the support of people around me.

Hmm.