View Full Version : Lemniscates in the RWS...
It's easy to see them on the Magician, Strength and 2 of Pentacles cards, but has anyone noticed the other two? (I don't want to say right now, as I'm sure you'll want to look for yourself, if you haven't already found them).
I just realized they were there.
Shaymus
XXI The World :) Ribbons top and bottom?!
Yes! I hadn't noticed that they form that pattern until a few days ago. Did you notice them before now?
Shaymus
patrickjutte
19-04-2006, 03:57
what about the 9 of cups...
Patrick
You mean by the way he is holding his arms? Wow, looks like one to me now, too!
Shaymus
Two of cups: the end of the black handle
The Star: some Stones (or leaves?) on the ground
And a brown melting one (Like Salvador Dalis clocks) on the shoulder of the man in Nine of pentacles
:)
Im embarassed to ask... but...
What are lemniscates??
They are those shapes that look like the number 8 on its side, such as what appears above the heads of the Magician and of the woman portrayed on the Strength card.
Shaymus
patrickjutte
20-04-2006, 03:35
Any idea what figures u get if u put the two lemniscates of trump 1 and trump 11 together (two vertical figures of 8 next to each other)?...
Patrick
The_Star
20-04-2006, 05:53
They are those shapes that look like the number 8 on its side, such as what appears above the heads of the Magician and of the woman portrayed on the Strength card.
Shaymus
Also, lemniscates indicate an energetic that is ALWAYS present. For instance in The Magician.... we are always using The Magician archetype.... for good or ill we are always creating... a meal, a job, a family, a situation...
It is something that is NEVER turned off. At best we can only have the illusuion that the energetic is turned off.
How about on the Four Of Pentacles... left boot-lace? (original RWS deck)
http://learntarot.com/bigjpgs/pents04.jpg
I'll be darned. There's a lemniscate on the left boot with that shoelace. Ms Coleman Smith has always been my hero but she went above and beyond here. Blows me away. Great eye Cdabs!
Blessings - Seafra
Hi Seafra!
Yeah...the "detail" came out with a magnifying glass. At first, I was like, "no way!..." then used the glass to confirm. Pamela was amazing, wasn't she? That's why I keep looking for details...
I'd like to discuss this card more, but not sure if this is the right thread. I'll give it a shot...
WHAT is that "thing" on top of the building, in the background, over this gent's left shoulder? http://learntarot.com/bigjpgs/pents04.jpg
I'm referring to the three most prominent/tall buildings. The left most one (shortest of the 3) has this thing on top of it...can't figure it out. Whatever it is looks like it's about to fall off the building.
What got me started on looking at the Four Of Pentacles more closely was watching the movie, "Constantine." It was a movie about good and evil and names were mentioned such as "The Spear Of Destiny" and "Mammon."
In the movie, Mammon is the Devil's son. I looked this name up and came across this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
I then saw this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Mammon.jpg
...which led me to look at the Four Of Pentacles...as there is a similarity of what is depicted in this card to what is pictured in Collin De Plancy's, "Dictionnaire Infernal" as the Demon Of Greed/Avarice (Demon #42; De Plancy lists 64 demons) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionnaire_Infernal
Anyway, the picture of Mammon sitting on a box (chest of money?)...holding onto his bags of money....feet on ground....hunched a little....looks like the guy in the Four Of Pentacles. Weird, huh?
Interesting stuff! Only have a moment to post but that picture of Mammon in Wiki from Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire Infernal has the same pose as Mr Four Pent Merchant. The list of Demons includes the name Leonard. I will forever more refer to our gent as "Leonard." =D
Pixie Smith was fantastic burying hidden nuggets in her deck...:)
mac22
I have to say...I like my Radiant and Universal RWS decks, but the original RWS has that "hidden" stuff....and there's just no comparison.
In a sense, I feel like I'm missing something if I don't use my original deck now and then. AND...I feel like I'm being short-changed somewhat when I use my other decks since these "nuggets" have been left out.
Oh well...I knew I "had to have" the extra decks.
I just checked my Universal and Radiant decks....there is no "lemniscate" on the left boot-lace.