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I have a question for you (yup another one):
When you are shuffeling, no matter if only for you or doing a reading for someone else, and a card or even several ones fall out of the stack, do you regard them to contain a special message?
I have heard that some readers feel that those cards have a special message, additional to the reading, and should be noted as well and taken into consideration.
How do you feel about this? I tried to do a search in the archives, but had no match, so I hope I don't ask a question twice.
BB,
Helruna
divinerguy
25-07-2002, 07:39
Absolutely, yes, read those cards - I'm a firm believer in destiny. Things happen for a reason.
I read those cards by themselves. I only draw more cards if the message isn't clear.
I believe this is an example of a deck "speaking" to the reader.
Originally posted by divinerguy
Absolutely, yes, read those cards - I'm a firm believer in destiny. Things happen for a reason.
I read those cards by themselves. I only draw more cards if the message isn't clear.
I believe this is an example of a deck "speaking" to the reader.
I see your point here. I too believe that there are reasons why cards fall out, at times. sometimes though, when I still do a reading, the cards that have fallen out and the cards I've drawn seem to have a "different" theme. I wonder if this is just my perception and I "miss" the message or not.
I tend to read them in addition/relation to the spread that I am doing though, and not just by themselves.
BB,
Helruna
wavebreaker
25-07-2002, 07:47
I always pay attention to cards falling out while shuffling. Then I put them back in the deck and continue shuffling.
Sometimes these cards give me additional information, or they tell me that this reading is indeed for the person I'm going to read for (e.g. once the Queen of Wands fell out when I was going to do a reading for someone who had described herself just before as the Queen of Wands).
One time while I was shuffling, four cards fell out, and they were so clear on the question I had asked, I didn't even do the reading anymore... ;)
I also take cards into consideration when they fall out during shuffling. When I started with the Cannon Reed Withces Tarot I had several cards which fell out (I normally do not have cards falling out during shuffling).
wavebreaker
25-07-2002, 08:35
I knew there was a previous thread about this and I finally managed to find it ;) , even two:
Flying cards (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3578)
Flying cards syndrome (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3007)
If theres 5 cards or less that fall out, I put them above the spread as having an important message. More cards than that I figure the deck is telling me not to read on that subject at this time.
:THP
Originally posted by tarotlady
I knew there was a previous thread about this and I finally managed to find it ;) , even two:
Flying cards (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3578)
Flying cards syndrome (http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3007)
Thank you for the links! I'll read through them later. :)
BB,
Helruna
PS: I already saw the point in being "just clumbsy". That is one thing that kept "bugging" me when I try to shuffle bigger cards - is there really a message, or the cards simply too big to handle in a careful manner?
squigglywiggly
25-07-2002, 13:27
One time I was shuffling and one card flew out of the deck, levitated before me, and then exploded in a brilliant flash of white light. Afterwards, it slowly glided down to the floor. I just attributed it to my being clumsy. I put it back in the deck and continued shuffling. Do you think that the card was trying to convey to me a special message?
Thanks.
I always pay attention to cards falling out while shuffling. Then I put them back in the deck and continue shuffling.
I do that too tarotlady.
I also think I'm picking up energy of the person I'm reading and s/he is a bit dis-organised / clumsy or thing they are going through such as project is a bit all over the place?
Vision
if several cards fall out, or if a card or two fall out face down, i take it to mean i'm not focussed enough. so i stop. take a couple of deep breaths, ground and plug in again.
if it's one or two that fall out face up, i take them to mean something.
PurpleGoddess
25-07-2002, 14:57
i take it as a message for the forces that i'm done with shuffling use these cards instead.
that happened to me while visiting relatives over 4th of july. i had enough cards to two spreads, i only did one...as suggested by Holmes i'll do two readings next time. there's a chance it was a past/present life reading.
always pay attention to what happens with your deck and around you. the powers that be are trying to get your attention or get you to listen from within.
like this..i pay attention in the morning to the # of red lights i get going to the highway for work. more red than green it's going to be one of those days so just take my time and bite my tongue. i do this on any given day, especially when i feel chaotic..helps me get centered and to thank the Goddess for the red light that saved me from getting hit from an impatient driver.
blessed be
Typically, I attribute falling cards to my own clumsiness rather than mystical forces- but I always glance at the card any way as I stick it back in and continue to shuffle. I shuffle until there's no clumsiness in the way I'm handling the cards. Sometimes, that fallen card has turned out to be synchronistically significant once I've started laying down cards.
Laurel
wetsheep1
25-07-2002, 17:42
I'm kind of like PurpleGoddess; about the time cards start to fall out of the deck, the deck's probably finished shuffling :)
Matter of fact, I had a recent spate of them falling out crosswise, and somewhere in here I posted a new spread that you can use for them. You can see it under the thread "New Quickie Oracle Spread" in this folder; see what you think!
For any of them, I pick up the card and most of the time I use it -- no matter what spread I'm using. And a lot of times, I'll let the cards choose the spread. They're good at letting me know which one is the most appropriate for the question. Sometimes I use it as a "significator," and other times it can be the first card in the spread; it all depends on what kinds of signals I get when I pick it up and read it. But I always find it useful :) even when the spread is only that one card!
;) Good luck!
-- k
(Edited to include reference to thread)
Mlle Lenormand
25-07-2002, 18:15
I've had cards jump out of the pack and in ignorance I've put them back and shuffled, only to have them come out again. So now I take note of cards with wings.
As to bigger packs, turn them sideways when you shuffle so that the slim ends are in your hands, this makes shuffling easier.
If this occurs during a daily draw, I use whatever card(s) fall out of the deck as the message for the day. I do not see the occurrence as a result of clumsiness but as Divinerguy: the deck or ThePowersThatBe speaking. Every card or cards resulting from such has had significance, sometimes startling.
Whether for a personal throw or for someone else, I stop shuffling & use the card as the first card of the throw. I then deal the cards from the top of the deck for the rest of the throw. If there are more than one, I use them as the initial throw.
SquigglyWiggly's comment reminds me of the most unusual experience several years ago. I was shuffling my RSW deck at the foot of my bed for the daily draw when a small pile of cards flew over my left shoulder & fell in slow motion behind me, giving me the opportunity to watch them as they fell. Whilst I was stunned, I was able to observe the order in which they fell. I counted 9 cards--one short of a Celtic Spread. I took that to mean a reading. I wrote the cards in my journal but did not get to look at them closely until after work. The first card was Knight-Cups. Immediately, I saw that as representing a relative who was incarcerated. The rest described his experiences & also represented a warning. Due to what I understood from them, I told another relative whom he kept in touch with of the concerns as I saw them. I also wrote to him. Recommended that he be careful, especially in the evenings when it seemed there were more incidents with tempers flaring & the possibility of violence. That he needed to keep to himself as much as was practical, to remain alert & to be careful of his mouth.
Subsequently, he phoned me collect (the only way inmates are able to use the phone). In the evenings was when the inmates had some free time to watch the telly in a common room. There had been recent incidents involving arguments over what program to watch. They often led to fights with serious injuries. He assured me he was staying out of trouble & had attained a trustee status where he had a wee more freedom than the majority. He'd also developed major dental problems that required medical attention due to abcessed teeth.
If alot of cards fall out, I just refocus, or advise the querent to do so. If it is just one or two, I stop shuffling and use these as the first card/s of the spread.
And, if the cards just don't want to shuffle anymore (as in they just won't mix anymore), then I stop and start the laying out the spread.
Originally posted by amyel
And, if the cards just don't want to shuffle anymore (as in they just won't mix anymore), then I stop and start the laying out the spread.
amyel, I have never seen anyone mention that before, but I do that as well.
i only read the cards that fall out. i shuffle my deck and the cards that want to be read fall out, or rather fly out LOL, and i lay them out and read them.
if none fall out, then i don't do a reading, although that has never happened.
my cards just like to be a leo, like me, jumping out to the center of attention and saying "pick me pick me, i'm here to be read!"
heehee
jade
cherrywind
27-07-2002, 17:17
Personally, if one or two fall out I place them above the spread and take them as further insight. If it's any more than that I take it as my own clumsiness and I just put them back in and reshuffle.
i think that this thread, in particular, really shows how there are no rights or wrongs when reading the tarot. we all have our way of doing things and the cards, in their wisdom, know what we 'believe or practise' and therefore work with us :D
aaahhh, the ecclecticness of AT.
in light,
jade
redfairy
04-09-2005, 10:11
YES I always pay attention to cards that fall out while shuffling. Ofcourse, unless they fall out in great numbers, which only indicates that you are a messy shuffler!!!!!!!!
ladymermaid
10-09-2005, 15:26
when i am shuffing my cards and one falls out i pick it up and still shuffle.
Emeraldgirl
12-09-2005, 21:11
I pay attention tio cards that fall out while shuffling. Last night the King of cups fell out twice. Message? I think so. But after they are oput I put them back in with the rest of the deck and keep shuffling. I also pay extra attention if the card that fell out later appears in the spread.
catbaloo
28-10-2005, 13:43
I've had this happen a few times and the card appears again in the spread. The freakiest one was today though. I was just doing a general week ahead reading for practise and shuffling the cards, trying to get into the right frame of mind. I was using the overhand shuffle and one card slid very casually and smoothly over my left thumb and onto the bed. I picked it up, noted the card and shuffled it back into the deck.
I picked out my three cards for my reading, it didn't appear in the reading so I thought little of it. After the reading I shuffled again ready to put the cards away when the same thing happened, a card slid over my left thumb onto the bed in almost exactly the same way. I turned it over and it was the same card.
Slightly weirded out I shuffled it back into the pack and continued shuffling pondering on what it might mean but just intending to shuffle the pack a few more times and then put it away. I suddenly got the urge to stop shuffling and turn over the top card in my left hand. Same card. I think the cards are definately trying to tell me something. ;)
Catbaloo,
This sort of thing happens to me a lot. The same card or cards will come out. Sometimes I will find them when I cut, or sometimes in the reading. I ususally pay a lot of attention to these, but will shuffle them back in. Occasionally, multiple cards will come out. At times these groups contain the other, single cards that have appeared, sometimes not. Sometimes the groups seem to be specific--reinforcing cards or opposites for example--and sometimes not. 11 cards popped out a few days ago, and I did a reading with them. Interesting, too, since a number of cards that had jumped out were in this group, and depending on which way I did the spread one of the cards duplicated its exact position in a spread from a few days earlier. That surprised me! The same card showed up again last night in a different kind of spread.
I think Sometimes I'm just messy :laugh:, but often the cards seem to be telling me something, too.
Yours,
Nuncle
cassiepiece
28-10-2005, 15:57
Hi
great thread.
I have found on several occassions that a card that has jumped out then shows up in the reading . As a comparative newbie to tarot I have taken into be further evidence of the 'validity' of tarot and I believe that my guides really, really want me to consider that card's insight. The cards that jump out are always relevant and useful to my question. amazing and nice to hear others' beliefs.
Best wishes
cassiepiece
Interesting that someone revived this old thread ... I'd missed it before... :laugh:
The way that I shuffle most of my decks, I almost never have a card fall out, or "pop out" so to speak. As such, if it [u]does[/i] happen, I do pay attention to the card. I leave it out and use it as a card to more or less become part of the reading, or set the tone or subject of the reading (very useful for "general" readings), or to provide extra insight into the person for whom I am reading or their particular question.
BlueLeaf
29-10-2005, 11:42
I read for a friend in the park, and as she shuffled, the wind grabbed a card and took off with it. She got up and went running after, and I thought "That card's significant!" When she came back and handed it to me, I started laughing because it answered her question perfectly.
It's a matter of your intuition. I've had cards fall out that have just made me go "eh?" and I stick them back in and shuffle some more. So I don't think every time a card falls out it's meaningfull. The cards seem to let you know when it is.
My experience with this is:
When cards fall out while I shuffle, it is usually a message/additional info for me as the reader, not something that will go into the spread. Quite often this is something I will address before I actually start the reading.
When more cards than the intended slip out of the deck while I'm laying them out into the spread, than these are directly related to the spread.
Since I'm not a clumsy person and always focus before I read (if I can't focus, I won't read), the flying cards syndrome happens rarely. When it did, it always made sense.
Cheers
Morwenna
Orange-Eyed Raven
31-12-2005, 00:25
I tend to think that my concentration or frame of mind determines the validity of the flying card.
Katrina`
31-12-2005, 00:46
I will pay attention to the card that falls out, but when there're more than one card fall out, i know I'm just being careless and I'll put the cards back
I have never really paid attention to falling (flying) cards, but maybe now I will. I never thought of it as having a special message in those cards.
inanna_tarot
31-12-2005, 10:24
I used to think flying cards meant something, but now I dont, its just my careless shuffling.
However, somedays when the cards fly out I do turn them reversed so if they come up in the spread I'll know and read them upright. its rare they turn up though in my experience.
Sezo
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Purple Myst
01-01-2006, 11:48
I recently started learning tarot after getting Rider Waite tarot and an accompanying tarot workbook as a Christmas present. I started drawing one card each day, writing down what I think it means and then looking up its meaning in the book.
I've been doing that for three days now and the deck really wants to convey me something.
Day I: the King of Swords, the Hermit falling out of the deck while shuffling
Day II: the King of Swords again, then I drew another card (The Devil)
Day III: the King of Swords and the Hermit falling out while shuffling
I still can't figure out what the King of Swords is trying to tell me (perhaps that's why it's coming back), as the description I made and from the book is nothing I can relate to at the moment.
Anyway, for a newbie like me it immediately convinced me of the fact that tarot isn't random, lol.
So I do take the cards that fall out into account as they probably have some kind of special meaning
I don't know which side I should read it? If it fall in reversal position or normal position, I still can read it as common. But if it fall in undirected position, disorderly, so how to read it?
When i use a normal size deck, they dont fall out often, I look at it but put it back and shuffle away. But when i use the DruidCraft, well, its has oversized big cards, and cards fall out more often. So is it chance or the cards saying something. I dont know :)
I believe a card that falls out while shuffling may well have special significance, and so will pause to pay attention to it. Sometimes I don't pick the cards when doing a reading - I simply shuffle the deck keeping my question in mind and ask the cards to pick themselves.
My rule applies mostly just to single cards though...the more cards fall out, the more convinced I am that I'm just being clumsly!
kwesifriends
31-12-2007, 11:30
thanks to all your answer guys my question is now answer this forum is great way to learn tarot have fun guys and Happy new year!
Starlight09
25-02-2009, 22:33
Do you think the more often a card appears (whether it fly out, or appear in your spread somewhere) the more insistent or urgent the message is?
i always read the falling cards, but i continue my spread, then i use the falling cards as extra message.....
usually (based on my experiences), the cards always the same, it's like, today is four of Wands, and tomorrow i got the same card, for a few days.
it's fun.... ^_^
I don't think it means anything, really. I have arthritis in my hands and many times my hands just fail mechanically during shuffle and I have all kinds of cards lying about!
I suppose if one is fortunate to have fully functioning hands and fingers and never fling cards about, it could have significance!
I will pay attention to the card that falls out, but when there're more than one card fall out, i know I'm just being careless and I'll put the cards back
I once had three cards come out and land in the little arc I use for three-card readings, upright, in front of me. Needless to say, I read them as they fell.
Something that happens to me more often than cards falling out during shuffling, is cards "sticking". by this I mean, for example:
if I am doing a mini three-card on - say home and family, and I lay one card for the present, a second card for the way forward, and a third card for the outcome. then, after they touch the table, you realise that one of those cards was actually two cards together, like turning over two pages in a book instead of just the one.
I used to separate them, but got messy and inaccurate readings. Now I read them as they are, and read - say - the Four Wands as the outcome, telling me that eventually she *would* find a suitable property and buy it, then shifting the Four Wands aside to find an Three Pentacles underneath, which led me to qualify it by saying that there was still work to do on the house, and in particular she may want to get structural engineers to have a look at the foundations.