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i now two little girls. they were born on may 5, 1998. one at 6:10 am and the other at 6:11 am
brianna is outgoing, vocal (LOL) and dramatic :)
rising 22 deg. taurus
sun 14 deg taurus
moon 8 deg virgo
cassie is introverted and an analytical thinker
rising 23 deg taurus
sun 14 deg taurus
moon 8 deg virgo
their rising and sun have no aspects. their moon aspects (i think) their pluto but that's all.
why are they soooo different? they have the same chart.
anyone???
in light,
jade
I'm sorry Jade, I don't know much about the technical details of Astrology but I can vouch for opposite twins.
I have a twin sister and we are SO SO SO different. We are Pisces and have always joked that we are one fish each; both swimming in different directions...
AquarianGoddess
12-02-2002, 12:35
Hello Jade,
I wish I had a real intelligent answer to give, but I don't. I've wondered about this same thing over the years. When I taught astrology I had two sets of twins take my classes. One set, males, are identical in their demeanor, looks, lifestyle, profession, etc. They even married twins and all four of them live in the same house. They were born only a few minutes apart (Virgo's).
The other set (females) are so totally different in every way. One is an alcoholic, the other not. They have different occupations, lifestyles and beliefs. They too, were born only a few minutes apart (Gemini's).
A friend of mine has twin boys now almost 30 years old. They too are night and day. One is gay and one has had an addiction to drugs. They were born five minutes apart (Leo's).
The only explanation I can come up with is "free will" and I dislike that expession because it sounds like an astrologer "copout". Or perhaps even though two people have similar charts, their karma is very different. Astrologers still have a lot to learn in this area.
Does anybody else have an opinion on this? I seem to be the only person who answers the astrology questions and believe me, I don't know it all.
AG
Here he comes, the wise guy... :D
I'm a student myself, and when I talk about it, people is constantly asking me this too: I have a twin sister, and we ARE like Sun and Moon. I am a Sun outward and a Moon inward. She's the opposite. As if I were male in the masculine part (thought, rule, competition, power...) and female in the feminine (caring, receptivity, passion, irrationality...), and she's the complete countrary. We are also two Gemini! The fun is quadruplicated - does it exist? well, it would mean increased fourfold... ;) !!!
Actually, I tend to bring it down to our different sex: after all, I'm a man and my Moon in Aries is MUCH different from hers. The same applies to Mars, Polarities in Sunsign + Ascendant and all that I can think of and won't write here (x space). Can we leave it at that, AquarianGoddess?
I'm sorry you feel SO LONELY in your unprecedented, boundless knowledge! ;p
I'd love to be able to spare you this, and even more to keep up with your astro-wisdom, believe me! :D
slinky_jo
12-02-2002, 17:57
Maybe it's free will?? I expect that the bubs born in the same hospital as me at the same time would have A LOT of similarities, but then I take into consideration culture, religion, socio-economics, etc.
But for twins born... the only thing I can think of is FREE WILL. I have a mediocre grasp of astrology, but this is the best idea I can come up with! Also, I guess that twins sometimes "break out" of the mould of being a twin, which can lead to personalities growing in different ways/directions.
These are just my humle thought! :P
ag,
:D you have most certainly burst my bubble :D and your pedestal is crumbling as we speak LOL :o what do you mean you don't know it all??? :o :D
i'm sorry that we, as a group, put so much pressure on you. but, (now i may be wrong here) but the rest of the 'junior' astrologers are a little afraid to post their thoughts or knowledge thinking it is inferior to yours.
SO LISTEN UP MEMBERS!!! your thoughts and feelings are just as valuable as ag's. i don't know alot about astrology, but i do know a little bit. so let's start sharing and rather than thinking our input isn't "as valuable as" ..... cause you know what?.....it is just a valuable!!! :)
in light,
cherishing everyone's input!!!
jade
ps hopefully, that will take a bit of the pressure off ag :) ...... living on a pedestal sucks so let's not do that to her :D
pss said with love and light so please don't be offended by my loving reminder :)
oh and my answer to this question is..................
because.
love,
jade
Identical twins are often mirror images of each other. When the cells split, the left side of one can be the right side of the other. It is really noticeable if there is a distinguishing feature such as an upsweeping eyebrow. The feature might be on the right side of one twin and the left side of the other twin. Perhaps this “mirror image” carries over to the natal chart as well. Maybe some of the twins out there would be willing to look at the mirror image of their natal chart and see if that fits better with one of the twins. This could be interesting. I don't know any twins so I'm depending on all of you to check this out. I'm really interested in hearing the results.
Wow, this thread looks like fun! I'm not an astrologer, never will be, only an astrology enthusiast--just want to clarify that.
With the twins Jade knows, I kind of wondered if the girls are doing side by side simultaneous expressions of their Sun and Moon energies. The "simultaneous" part is really cool--those of us who aren't twins could never express our Sun and Moon energies separately and distinctly.
There's been alot written on twins including the theory of the "introverted" and "extroverted" twin--perhaps this relates astrologically to Sun and Moon. What really fascinated me is that somehow, these tiny children have intuited which energy the other has chosen to express and instinctively completes the unity of twinship by displaying the other. Children like to tell us about themselves, and in this case, it sounds like one twin is saying, "This is who we are" and the other is saying, "Yes, that's true, but we're this, too."
With the Gemini sisters AG knows, who appear to be different as night and day, I wondered if that might have something to do with the duality of Gemini. The one sister has an addiction, so I also wondered if the sisters' charts had some sort of hard aspect to either Neptune, the 12 house, or the house ruled by Pisces in their charts. With the duality of Gemini it would be possible for one twin to express that energy one way, and the other to choose a completely different expression of the exact same aspect.
I've gotta tell ya--the one that really got me thinking was AG's example of the Leo twin brothers. At first I was hard pressed to figure out how two guys with the pride of the Lion, PLUS a sun that was ruled by the sun, would or even could co-rule the same domicile. I spent a lot of the afternoon thinking about it. What I came up with was the possibility that a proud Leo might not even entertain the thought there could be another "just like him", which could provide a sort of immunity from the kind of territorial stuff you'd normally expect. The other thing I wondered was if, maybe, immune from the threatening thought of a territorial rival, Leo might enjoy the visual of someone who was "seemingly" identical. He'd have an opportunity to watch himself at home, at play, sleeping, eating, you name it, without ever having to bother himself to go to the mirror. Leo might like that, so much that he'd want to keep his living mirror around all the time, which might be one reason why these guys live together so compatibly.
Then I got into thoughts of how they're both married, have families, etc., and how THAT would work compatibly. The possibilities are mind-boggling, and I'm sure a lot depends on the charts of the two wives, but I thought the guys might have a 4th house moon, possibly in Aquarius--even though it would be opposite their sun sign, an Aquarius moon would allow them to co-exist harmoniously, but detach whenever necessary to function as part of a separate family. It might also provide the innovative quality necessary to make such an unusual living arrangement work.
Like I said, that was fun--thanks, Jade, for a real mindbender ! : ))
Kalin
AquarianGoddess
12-02-2002, 22:45
Pollux, you mean there's two of your running around?
Jade, no pedestals here...I'm still a student of astrology. The topic is infinite and as much as I know there's an equal amount that I haven't yet learned. Please, I don't want anyone to ever feel apprehensive about posting their astrological opinions. The best thing about when I taught astrology is how much I learned from the students. Thank you all for your input and keep it coming.
Kalin, very interesting observations!
AG
AG
kalin,
wow, very good points. i think you may have something here hmmmmmmm :)
ag,
there is no greater honor than when a student succeeds greater than their teacher (my reiki mother's quote :) )
in light,
an agreeing,
jade :)
ps two pollux's...............WATCH OUT WORLD!!! LOL
*Pollux clears his throat*
Hm Hm... :-o
Should I get offended, then?
You'd better not challenge a Gemini, especially when his rising's Scorpio and his Moon is in Aries.
I can't imagine someone more vendcative and wicked than myself. }>
i was thinking along kalin's line - only s/he said it so much better :-)
like in that gemini is a sign that easily wanders off in different directions, while virgo's tend to be more fixed;
then again the karmic influence would also explain a lot. maybe it has something to do with the moon's nodes? like that one is functioning in the south mode, the other oriented towards the north node? they would operate on opposite houses/signs, while one would stick more to what's comfortable and what's there - the other would be more challenging, achieving? schulman wrote a book about it and usually the north node is considered the more important one, but i think you need both and they complement eachother; most people tend to have periods of being in north mode, then periods of working with your south one (no use in going for the horth node unless you learned to use all the bagagge that's in your south, according to schulman)
anyway, just a wild guess, but i'm very happy with this topic - every time someone hears you're interested in astrology it's THAT question that comes up, and i never know what to answer :-)))))))
pollux,
first of all you are a sweetie so don't try to be all tough! and second.....the world had better watch out having two energetic, light beings like you on this planet!!!!
:)
love
jade LOL
New River
13-02-2002, 16:46
my take on this leans less towards the astrological aspects and more toward the karmic. by karmic here i'm meaning choosing the lessons we want from this life before incarnating.
i feel that twins choose to come in together because they have been very close in previous lives and don't want to run the chance of perhaps missing meeting each other in this one. coming in together (in most cases) assures that they will be there for each other.
however it does not mean that the lessons they are here to learn be similar at all. take the case of the twins where one is addicted and one is not. different lessons.
for me this is the clearest explanation as to having the same chart and such different personalities, etc.
love, light and hope, New River
[quote]Pollux (13 Feb, 2002 08:35):
Here he comes, the wise guy... :D
Actually, I tend to bring it down to our different sex
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but that not always the case. i don't know anything about astrology but i knew a twin and they were both girls and totally different. i think they have the same basis but the problem is sometimes they have to fight for their own space against the other because they are twins, they have to prove theirselves. at the same time they are one and love eachother can't without the other and against that they are two individuals with their own feelings and react against the other, and their envirronment, their family.
i know another twin, two males and can't without the other but on the same time they want to proove they are better than the other one. the one is extravert and the other is intravert. the thing is the one is always loved more by his mother than the other so they react otherwise to this fact, their feelings are different so their character went a different way.
i hope this helps a bit?
with love,
rostie.
jade: you're just lucky, your compliments will have me tamed for a little longer... :-)
Well, I didn't expect my fame on these forums to concern "being a sweetie, energetic and light being". I hope you know I'm a boy, however that's really flattering. :D Thanx *My Venus in Leo Giggles* :)
rostie: I don't know what to answer!!! :D
But I believe our different sex is a very good excuse!!! :D
New River: WOW!
It surely as something to do with Karma. I'm sure. :)
I don't remember much about it, when the idea entered my head, who suggested it first... anyhow I know my sister and I were together some lifetime ago :). It's logic, and I do feel it.
Even now, we tend to have a loverly attitude towards each other. More than the typical jealousy of bros&siss.
I like to think that we loved so much in another life, that we wanted to keep in touch. This lifetime, even though we fight and all, we really can't stay without knowing about the other's well-being and stuff.
Perhaps I might feel like posting some of the things Mama said about our birth... But only God knows (and the Goddess, of course :D )...
Butterfly
14-02-2002, 22:19
Karma is my first thought as well.
On a mundane level there are a number of other determining factors as well- birth order, pre-natal nutrition (nutrients weren't necessarily shared equally), ease of birth, and the biggie- shaping by the environment. These are all really subtle factors that would definately affect twins differently.
Belinda
pollux,
yes i know you are a boy!
in light,
jade
ps just cause i didn't know that delani was a girl doesn't mean i got your 'sex' wrong too LOL *giggle*
I have a friend who's a triplet. Anyone want to go there? He and his two sisters are each 2 minutes apart. I've known him since I was 12 and he's always had such feminine mannerisms (he's heterosexual). He and one sister are like peanut butter and jelly and the other sister is sort of the black sheep of the trio. And they're Leo's... a lot of pride in that den!
Hmm... now what about septuplets? That could be a lifetime thesis for an astrologer! (AG are you up to that challenge?)
~ january
New River
15-02-2002, 21:32
believe it or not i actually thought about this when those septuplets were born in Iowa or wherever it was.
my conclusion remains the same as with twins. this is a group that definitely wants to come in to this life together. they may all have different lessons to learn but for some reason they want to have each other there.
love, light and hope, New River
Allthough New River, just because you are a twin does not mean you are that close. I am closer to my older sister than my twin sister... She and I are just so different (although we still get along well most of the time) My personality is much closer to my older sisters... we have a lot more in common...
Most if not all the astrologers I've ever encountered concede as a given that things like environmental factors play a part in how a chart manifests. Or doesn't manifest--because it's also possible, even probable that each person has natal aspects, even seemingly strong ones, that either never manifest at all or play only a minor or occasional role.
Astrologers also willingly admit that when presented with a chart, they cannot say whether they're looking at the chart of a male, a female, or an event. Astrology seems to me to revolve much more around discussion of possibility than conclusion. Just as each tarot card has more than one possible meaning,so too do the signs, planets, and houses in astrology. Just as the potential combinations of tarot cards are vast, so too are the combinations in an astrology chart.
I don't dismiss at all concepts of karma and choosing who we want to spend time with during an incarnation. But the very possibility that we are able to choose who we want to go through life with includes, rather than excludes, the possibility that one twin could also "choose" to explore and learn by manifesting different aspects and potentials of a chart that is identical to her twin's. If that is in fact the case, it would also hold as viable for triplets, septuplets, or clones.
Call me perverse but I like not knowing all the answers--the day we know them all there will be no cause for wonderment.
Kalin :)
clones.................there's another one.....do you read the original's chart or the clones for the clone??????
i'm confused now, LOL
jade
january: don't put such a heavy load on AG - she's already that engaged to be the leading figure of Astrology Forum!!! :D
As for multiple twins... that is not karma, is nature&science!!!
They come to life together not because they chose to - I'm sure they are somewhat forced. If you keep reading, you'll understand why. :)
I think most of you know why some women bear multiple twins (a lot of people works in the caring professions - doctors, nurses and all)... However I'll try to give a decent explanation. (Anyone already being a doctor - I'm at my first year of University only :) - is begged to support me)
This cases happen when there are couples that don't have children, and they resort to gemetogenesis and vitro-fecundation (i.e. artificial conception). OCCASIONALLY they stumble in lawless and ruthless doctors, who inject in the woman more than a couple (the necessary) fecunded eggs at time - you know, this way they have more possibility that the fecunded egg "catches", and the woman becomes pregnant. This is almost always the explanation when there's more than three children around at the same time (a very good probability for fecund women with natural conception exists untill three).
I'm going to attend special lessons on this, and only because I'm against. And this especially for health reasons: multiple pregnancies are a MAJOR risk to the mather, and, of course, a LIFEandDEATH risk for children . In Italy, last year maybe, a woman bore 7 children or so (maybe 8 ??? ), but the half died minutes after delivery.
Who will think about them?
I don't want to offend woman who resorted to Artificial Fecundation, BE IT CLEAR - and I fear that some are on the Forum as well, and are already sending me "bad energy" :) . I don't want to judge them, their life and choices and all. I respect them, and I am even sympathetic to them - come to that, my Auntie Anna who adopted two kids from Brazil, grown up with a bond stronger than that of blood, is really bad... she's got peritoneus cancer. It's really serious.
Will you promise you'll pray for her? She's made so much good in her life, especially adopting and raising Francesco and Daniela. Please, send her light!
(I think I'm going to post this is Spirituality or wherever)
However, to sum up, I think it's better to adopt, rather than taking Vitro-Fecundation and risking for a multiple pregnancy, when even children may die.
I've been quite off topic. Excuse me.
But I just fell off me, I couldn't control myself. I went off of my hand on the keyboard.
And, for ANYONE feeling offended, I can only apologies, but that is my opinion however, and I'm not judging people or choices - my opposition is on a general basis, and regards problem that may imply anyone, yet each case has a story of its own. And I'm not that presumptuos to judge it. :)
Jade :)
ROFL
Kalin (flying around on the magic carpet of confusion with you--and likin' it)
*please note that the opinions of the members of aeclectic reflect their opinions and not those of aeclectic creators or moderators.* :-D
ROFLMAO wow, pollux you sure went on a tangent eh? LOL
in light,
jade
TO JADE:
...Hmm... ???
what does it mean "to go on a tangent"?
Something like "you went astray"?
purplelady
18-02-2002, 13:20
As for the twins who are as different as night and day- Could it be that although they have the same charts , everything contains a negative and a positive. Let's say the twins are Leos. For every sign there are negative and positive traits. Could one twin be acting out or living the negative side of Leo , the other the positive . Where-as the whole (of both of them ) contains the whole. Each could be acting out a different combination of negative and positive traits.
'Ya know , even clones are Not necessarily identical, contrary to popular thought. Yes, their DNA is identical But for instance , the cat that was just cloned . The clone has a different color coat as the original! How can this Be?! And they both have the exact same DNA! ?
Maybe it's a pick and choose kind-of thing. Here's your DNA! Or , here's your birth chart! I think I'll manifest my ill-aspected pluto today! says one twin. While the other goes off to demonstrate his or her fabulously well aspected venus! !!!
purplelady
18-02-2002, 13:37
Pollux, I do agree with you, IMO, adoption is preferable and makes more sense than giving birth to quintuplets or sextuplets. I think it's nice to hear of someone who is going to be a doctor who has a mind of his own and some common sense, and doesn't just blindly follow the dictates of pure science or our current medical science.
On the other hand , I have not been in the position myself of being infertile and desperately wanting a baby , and so I know I should not pass judgement. However, I still know what I FEEL is right and makes sense for the world .
I am sorry to hear about your aunt and will keep her in my prayers.
New River, I read some where that twins or even especially siamese twins chose to be born that way because of a karma that they wanted to Make Sure got resolved. As often karma is painful and it is difficult to get both parties together long enough to resolve it if it is of a painful nature.
Back to the multiple births of more than natural triplets. As unnatural scientifically as it may be , there is some thought that if one believes in the soul and karma and that we actually chose our parents , maybe this is something that those souls chose ahead of time?(To be born as a quintuplet or whatever ) ?
AquarianGoddess
20-02-2002, 15:36
Today I purchased The National Enquirer (the 2/26 edition) and to my shock the twin males I spoke about above are written about along with their wives! It's a nice story and includes their photos.
interseting.....I fear I must reply on this topic......but before I do I must put my thoughts into words........
Hail to Jade and AG, nice to feel your energies once again.....my long journey continues, and the rocks that I have hide myself behind have all but eroded......
We shall talk soon......
Temperance413
15-03-2002, 19:08
My boys were born January 15, 1994,one minute apart. they are so different. One is shy and quiet to his family and a little terror at school. The other is so happy going and lovable he is just a joy to be around, when he isn't being moody, which is not often, thank God! But how does that happen? And another thing, They were suppossed to be born naturally, and at the last minute I had to have an emergency c-section, which made them 6 weeks early, they should have been aquarians, and the onewho should have been born first was born second, because he was on the bottom in the birth canal. Go figure!!