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Briar Rose
23-07-2006, 22:13
Does anyone use a crystal singing bowl? The meta shop here has crystal, brass, and glass.

The clear glass one is $400.00 and holds the tone for a very long time. It has a stem on it, so you can hold it over a person to do healing that way. They called it clear quartz glass. Since glass is made up of sand, and sand is quartz maybe that's why they called it that.

I just ordered (on line) a Japanese brass singing bowl. I can't wait to get it!

I've been told the Japanese has better tone than the Tibetian.

Anyone know anything about singing bowls?
Thank you,
Aurora

tarotbear
24-07-2006, 02:09
I have a crystal singing bowl large enough to mix cake batter in! It was a gift many years ago. It has a two-headed mallet ~ you strike the rim with the yarn end first to achieve the tone, then draw the rubber(?) end around the outside edge to bring the tone out. It sits on a rubber ring. If you pour a gallon of water into it, you can watch the sound waves ripple the surface of the water in lovely patterns.

Bat Chicken
24-07-2006, 03:42
Wow - that sounds amazing.... I suspect it is exceptional for meditation. I have never tried a singing bowl of any kind....

Briar Rose
24-07-2006, 06:39
Wow, now that's a singing bowl! Lucky you. Please do share your experiences when using it. The feeling I got when I was in the store, from the big glass one, was that the center of my eyes cleared (the 6th chakra).

ravenest
24-07-2006, 11:02
Does anyone use a crystal singing bowl? The meta shop here has crystal, brass, and glass.

The clear glass one is $400.00 and holds the tone for a very long time. It has a stem on it, so you can hold it over a person to do healing that way. They called it clear quartz glass. Since glass is made up of sand, and sand is quartz maybe that's why they called it that.

Wow! Never seen one, unless its just like a big glass chalice. But still the tone and vibration must be amazing. I once saw a musical instument made of glass or crystal wheels of varied diameter fixed to a shaft,they rotated and the bottom ran through a water trough while the top (edge) of the glass wheels were played by a light dancing touch of the fingers - an amazing sound.

I just ordered (on line) a Japanese brass singing bowl. I can't wait to get it!

I've been told the Japanese has better tone than the Tibetian.

Anyone know anything about singing bowls?
Thank you,
Aurora

IN my esperience the Japanese bowls are far inferior to the Tibetan, unless we are comparing to a cheap Tibetan copy, then a good brass one may sound better. Did the person who told you it was better try to sell it to you?

A good bowl will not only make patterns on the surface of water in it when vibrating but actually create a 'standing fountain' of geometric shape and multiple levels.

A real good tibetan bowl will be made out of Electrum Magicum ie. a blend of the planetary metals and cast at the appropriate conjuctions; firstly a good Sun Moon conjuction is looked for, on that date the gold and silver are mixed together, then the process continues with Saturn- lead, tin- Jupiter , iron - mars, copper, venus (not sure what the Tibetans use for mercury) but all metals should be mixed according to appropriate astrological events and ritual.
The same with the Tingshaws (little hand symbols) if they have 7 symbols they are 7 metal blend and for planetary work, if 5 symbols, 5 metal blend, elemental work

Nowdays you are just as likley to get one made out of old melted down truck parts.

Briar Rose
24-07-2006, 11:22
Truck parts? Oh no...don't say that!

Thank you so much for your information. Can you write more? Where did you learn this? Do you have any books, or web sites on singing bowls?

The woman that owns Crystal Essence, a meta shop told me about the differences in bowls. It was on the phone, and she didn't try to sell me, just told be that she liked the Japanese ones better.

Now, am I suppose to fill them with water? It comes with a cushion and a mallet.

I have seen in a magazine the one with handles. I didn't find that style on line anywhere.

I am new to them. And I have sooooooooo many questions.

Thank you for your knowledge. I appreciate your time. If you have more to share I am 100% wholeheartly into learning.

skygreen
24-07-2006, 13:29
I have a tibeten metal singing bowl and a larger Japanese bowl which also sings though it was originally used as a prayer bell and rung rather than stroked.
I enjoy the tibeten bowl the most and it does a good job of clearing energy and leading into meditation etc. I have seen heard and even tried out the quartz bowls but have not had a chance to really work with one extensively.
I think which kind is better is probably more dependant on personal preferanc and vibratory need .

thinbuddha
24-07-2006, 14:51
I have several singing bowls- none are from Japan with the possibility of one that has some very detailed metal work that I've never seen on another bowl. I've played around with some of the crystal bowls in stores before, but I have to say that I prefer the metal bowls hands down.

The crystal bowls are nice, but my favorite metal bowls can play several sounds simultaniously while the crystal bowls I've played with have a single clear sound. The single sound may be what you are looking for, but for my money, the harmonics of 2 or more voices wins out every time. Note- not all metal bowls can be made to sing in multiple voices, and it takes practice to make any of them sing in multiple voices.

My favorite bowl of all sings in a clear high tone while simultaniously singing in a almost subharmonic low tone. Either tone can be played by itself- the real trick is to get them both going and to keep them going for a while (after a time, one tends to take over and drown out the other)

-tb

tarotbear
25-07-2006, 07:58
No, you don't 'have' to fill them with water ~ it's only to see the ripple effect. The interesting thing is that even with water in them, their tone is NOT lowered. There is a musical term for what they (the bowls) are ... I'll have to ask Jed.

Briar Rose
25-07-2006, 09:41
How do you make the singing bowl have 2 tones? Please tell me the technique.

And I want to know the musical term for them.

I bought the CD, Chakra Suite by Stephen Halprin (different tones ot align chakras.

And I am wondering if anyone has tried a CD on Singing Bowls?

I would love more feed back on singing bowls. I've heard not much is written about them.

Bat Chicken
25-07-2006, 09:48
And I am wondering if anyone has tried a CD on Singing Bowls?


I actually saw one on eBay last weekend.. I am not sure if I can post a link here - but just look up "singing bowls CD" and it's there...

I just found a tonne of stuff on iTunes and Amazon. Apparently Steven Halpern, a well-known new age artist has done an album with crystal healing bowls! I have some of his work - it's amazing...

thinbuddha
25-07-2006, 10:06
How do you make the singing bowl have 2 tones? Please tell me the technique.

It may be different on different bowls, but here has been my experience. If you play with the angle of the stick, you can get different tones from your bowls. For me, the bowls that have teh multiple tones all have a rounded lip, so you can still make veal good contact with the bowl moving the stick in a range of around 70 degrees.

On my favorite bowl, for instance, if you hold the stick upright (perpenducular to the "ground", if you imaging the bowl sitting on the ground) then the tones are very low. If you move the stick so that it is almost parallel to the "ground", then the tone is very high. Using the stick at this nearly perpendicular angle is a bit of a trick, buecause it needs to stay at aobut the same angle for the entire edge of the bowl- meaning you have to radically change your hand position as your stick travels around the edge of the bowl. If you start at one angle, and slowly work towards thee other angle, gradually, the other tone will join the first tone (and eventually drown it out, if you don't work at feeding both tones enough energy for them to continue). It takes quite a touch to keep it going for any length of time, and I probably can't do it anymore since it's been a while since I've picked it up.

On my bowl, it is more difficult to start with the high tone and bring the low tone in than vice versa. If I try to start with the low, it is difficult to get the high tones started without letting the low tone die (I've done it before, but it really takes a "feel" for it). It may be there there are several tones possible out of this bowl that I am just not getting because I don't know how.

This is all pretty hard to explain without a visual aid, but I hope you can get the idea from what I've said above.

Briar Rose
25-07-2006, 11:23
I was told that any tone note will open the chakras. Does anyone have anything to add/correct about this? I have a list of the corresponding notes to chakras. Do you think it matters?

ravenest
25-07-2006, 14:38
Truck parts? Oh no...don't say that!

Thank you so much for your information. Can you write more? Where did you learn this? Do you have any books, or web sites on singing bowls?


I used to sell the bowls and other Tibetan equipment. I had friends that used to travel to Nepal and bring them back. I was selling at a cheaper rate (eg med. tingshaw $12 , $60 in the shop ... and I was marking up double!) Bowls, bells phurbas, Kukri, dorjes, tankas etc. But I gave up, people would complain about how expensive they were, order and not pick up, or turn up when I was out of stock and want to buy, then not buy when I got it in.

I was first interested in trying to procure a magic bell as desribed by crowley in magick in Theory and Practice, then I realised what he is describing is exactly a tingshaw. I did have a book but I gave it away, it was by a dutch guy i think? There are some books on all the Tibetan magical tools, the shop that sells the bowls should be able to track them down (sorry, I dont Forum at home and a lot of stuff is in storage.)

Also I have used some of their tools in western ritual magic processes, I have also done various Tibetan mediations but they seem a little freaked out that anyone but a High Lama would use the tools. (The High lama didnt seem to mind although, but then again, I was not one of their group ... I think he saw me as a fellow practioner.

ravenest
25-07-2006, 14:41
No, you don't 'have' to fill them with water ~ it's only to see the ripple effect. .

I first started using them with water for thereputic massage (I think I've posted on this before in another thread somewhere).

ravenest
25-07-2006, 14:48
I'm always sus' on this 'opening the chakras' thing. its a bit like mediation, when I ask people EXACTLY what it is they doing there is not usually a clear answer.
However I would deffinatly use the different notes or tones for each chakra, as I believe that each one works in a different 'frequency'.

Sitting in lotus with a large size Tibetan trumpet placed either side of my 'base chakra' and being vibrated was an interesting experience.

People do lots of stuff, good luck to em. Sorry if I sound cynical, but occasional one runs into something that REALLY works and then the other stuff falls into perspective (or apart).

thinbuddha
25-07-2006, 15:32
I can't really comment directly on the opening of chakras, since I haven't really educated myself on the chakras, but I can say that for me, the bowls were an incredible aide to meditation.

Briar Rose
25-07-2006, 23:39
I loved all the replies, and wish more people would write!

If you ever clean out your closet drop me a line.

One question I have...when I ordered my singing bowl on line the shop didn't write down what tone is was, only that is was a medium Japanese bowl.

I am going to buy a Tibetian one and compare the differences. And now that I read they are suppose to be made at different times of the month to correspond to the moon, and planets, I am going to keep my eyes out for that.

If anyone knows any great places/prices to buy them let me know. I hope the Gem and Mineral show coming up in my area has a few at wholesale!

Briar Rose
05-08-2006, 12:51
An update~ I got my singing bowl a couple of weeks ago, and the sound was really low. Going around the bowl the tone was low too. I bought it to the lake, and played with it out in the sun.

I have got to tell you~ the tone is totally different. It's so clear, crisp and clear~ and long lasting.

I must have charged it. I am totally inot it. My pets love it, and I feel great and centered.

thinbuddha
07-08-2006, 17:31
I have noticed the changing tones of bowls- I think that there are 2 reasons that this happens. One is that you get a different technique going (perhaps you are getting "better" at finding a tone that works with you)- and the other is heat. The temperature of the bowl will change the tone.

A note about finding the tone that works for you- how is this happening? Is it purely mechanical/technique related phenomenon, or is there something else going on there? I'm not sure I can answer this one. With technique, there are so many variables- the way you hold the bowl- the amount of pressure you apply with the stick- the speed you stroke the bowl- the angle you hold the stick at- the surface of the stick (I use a certain type of tape on my sticks- others use leather- others still use bare wood).... But as all this surely has an impact on the tone of the bowl, there is another element- it is the intangible "feel" that you get as you learn to hear the vibration of the bowl travel around the rim (yes, you can actually hear the sound source moving around, and surprisingly it is usually ad a slightly different speed than the speed of your stirring stick). This "listening" aspect is what really gets your soul attuned to the process- it is what makes it medatative.... and I don't know how to describe it other than to say you need to experience it yourself. Sounds like you are already well on your way. Enjoy!

-tb

ravenest
08-08-2006, 13:13
And the temperature? Perhaps outside, by the lake it was warmer and the bowl expanded slightly in the sunlight.