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Lillie
02-10-2006, 10:07
I like stones, wether they are crystals from a shop or rocks off a beach.
When i occassionally get them I stick them on a shelf, or something like that.
Sometimes i pick them up and wipe the dust off and think how nice they are.
But that's about it.

Now here people keep talking about 'working with crystals' and stuff like that.
They talk about emotions and energies, even crystaline spirits.

And I have no idea what people mean, and it's doing my head in.
(I hate not to know things!)

So, can someone tell me. When you work with a crystal, what do you mean? What are you doing?
How can a crystal have an emotion? It's a rock.
I understand that everything, physically has a vibration thingy, cos that's how stuff is. Like an opera singer can (or is said to) break a glass with her voice when it hits the same vibrational pitch as the glass. But is this what people mean by vibrations? If it is then why is it significant? And if it's not then what is it that you mean?
And is this the same as energy?

And what is a crystaline spirit?
Like haunted rocks or what?

I ask these questions because I want to know what everybody is talking about.
I'm not trying to be funny or anything like that.
I would really like to know.

So, if anyone could explain it in simple terms, to someone who always thought that rocks were just rocks, however pretty they were, then it would be very kind of you.

Thanks.

nelsleep
02-10-2006, 11:17
Hi I see you haven't had any answers, so though I'd add in my bit, sort of as support to your real question.

I too am a little/lot naiive about the obvious amazing properties of crystals as discussed here on AT and have been following some threads with interest. What I can say is that there is definitaly an energy about them. A piece of Rose Quartz was in our house (I think it was left on a shelf from previous tenant) and my little boy (3 at time) played with it more than any of his toys and especialloy wanted to know it's right name, so I found out to tell him. It was a gentle sort of stone and just right for youth so no wonder he liked it. But working knowledge of stones?! I too have no idea but if any one can point us to a good book, or good thread on this site, that would be much appreciated.

lark
02-10-2006, 12:33
I'm no expert ..I just work with my stones on instinct.
I have a few nice stone books
The Crystal Bible
The Book of Stones
and Healing Crystals.... are my favorites.

I use stones for emotional and health things.
I am often drawn to a stone and then I'll try to look it up if I can, and see what the books have to say...but you also just get a gut feeling as to what your should use it for.

I have some little leather bags that I use to make up different stone tailsmans.
I have one in the car for safe travel
One hanging on my bed right now for a heath problem.
A bowl of stones for female stuff.
And I even have a Disfunctional Family Bag that I take with me to help me through those trying family visits. ;)

How do you "work" with stones?
Lots of different ways.
For instance if I have bad cramps I'll hold amber..or red coral to absorb the cramps...it's a vibrational thing for me like you describe Lillie.
Jet i use for my swollen ankle.

We have lately lost someone dear to us and I find myself reaching for my pink kunzite to wear on a long chain close to my heart.
The vibration makes me feel the comfort of love.
Just like nelsleep your little boy was drawn to Rose quartz...which is by the way is the best first stone to be given to a child for it's tender energy and motherly feeling.
You just go with your instinct to know that you are being drawn to the right stone.

I meditate with certain stones...Celestite, clear quartz, Selenite, Prehinite to name a few.

I use stones with my tarot cards...I put a Prehnite for psychic opening and a Chrysoprase for the ability to see the unusual in the reading... on top of my deck as it sits on my table.

I keep a big piece of Orange Calcite on my tarot table and let nervous first time clients hold it....for calming and an open mind.

I keep a piece of Citrine in the furthest left hand corner of the house from the front door... for abundance and wealth to always be drawn into our home.

I have a piece of Howlite above each door and in the four corners of our yard for protection from theft.

I wear a Black Tourmaline braclet for protection from negative energy.

Somedays I'll just sit and play in my big bowl of stones and remove those I feel connected too and lay them out around my daily reading on my desk.

Well, I'll shut up now, I could go on and on...

My crystals are really important to me and I use them in one way or another all day...and I realised as I wrote this I do it kind of unconsciously....I just am instictively drawn to them....for comfort and healing.

Oh about the spirit of a stone....for me it is like a personality...some stones feel gentle..some healing...some agressive..some trusting... ect.
And you know them when you feel them.
I give some of mine names based on those spirit of the stone feelings...but shhh don't tell any one! :shhh:

thinbuddha
02-10-2006, 13:50
I have dabbled with crystal gazing, and I think this is a very worthwhile form of meditation. I've actually just ordered a crystal ball (which sounds like utter lunacy to the thinbuddha of 2 years ago) So I guess you could call that "working with stones".

I'm rather conflicted about the whole idea of stones collecting power or providing protection- that sort of thing seems like fantasy (that's my knee-jerk reaction). I rather tend to think that the crystal scrying works for the same reason that any other type of meditative practice works..... But when I start to think through how the rest of my world view works, and I think about how stones (or other "inanimate objects") fit into that view, it makes me think again.... Maybe there is something to the whole idea of stones that harbor specific types of energies- perhaps keeping a crystal in your pocket offers something beyond the placebo effect.

-tb

nelsleep
02-10-2006, 14:10
That's great Lark (early riser & lover of daytime), big bowls of beautiful stones!! I can imagine the lovely energy your home must have from using the stones with all their different properties. Definitely have to get some of those books!

Can anyone answer a sort of overall view of what is the deal about clearing/cleaning/charging stones, that is often mentioned on this site too? Is it necessary, or is it like the practices around Tarot like making sure your first set is a gift and only having one set?

chrisam-crystals
02-10-2006, 19:13
each crystal has a vibrational signature which is unique to that particular crystal, and it is the vibration that it gives off when activated which does the healing work.

the trick to using a crystal is knowing how to tap into that vibration and getting it to do something....;)

this is where cleansing and charging come in to the story.

in life there is a positive and a negative no matter what it may be, and some stones will pick up negative energy and not release it - then you have to cleanse it.

(some stones can actually transmute negative into positive and these include citrine and kyanite, but there are many others so just read up on them in books or online.)

to cleanse a stone you need to either give it a good soapy wash, place it on a plant pot for 24 hours, put it onto a large crystal cluster for 24 hours, place it in the sun or moon for a day or imagine a pure white light engulfing the stone and releasing the negativity.

then you can either start working with it for a specific reason or you can "charge" it with a specific healing request - this is usually the thing that you do with a clear quartz crystal as it is the best stone to have, as you can program it to do anything and is handy if you don't have a specific stone to hand. ;)

just hold it in your writing hand and either speak in your mind to the stone or speak out loud and tell it what you want it to do for you.....simple as that!

people may scoff at using stones to help yourself but everything in life relies on vibration.....all objects are made from tiny atoms that are vibrating at a certain level in order to be solid or liquid or gas, and sounds at special frequencies can make you feel ill, scared, elated or even sexually aroused! lol

try keeping a crystal journal and note down which stone you are using, the times that you use it and any changes or feelings that you notice when holding or wearing them.....you may be pleasantly surprised. ;)

jue xx

Lillie
03-10-2006, 06:54
Thank you.
That is very interesting.

And it all makes me think hat maybe I'm doing some of this already.

I have a citrine which I keep in my purse, because i heard that it would mae sure it was never empty. (which it never is, because I also have a lucky coin in there which I never spend)

And I have a blue 'happy stone'. it's probably sodalite, and it's just a happy stone.
I don't know wether it's meant to be happy, or if it's just me.
But it is, it's a happy stone. No question.
And yeah, I know that sounds weird, but there we go.

I like the idea of 'working with crystals'. I really fancy saying to someone 'oh, I work with crystals!' It sounds so good and obscure and mysterious.

It don't just have to be crystals, though, does it?
It can be stones too?

Cos there are some things which are only ever stones, and then somethings which are crystals sometimes (faceted and/or pointy) and stones othertimes (rounded and with no corners on)
And it's all the same, is it?
They all do the same stuff?
Or are the facets and points important?

thinbuddha
03-10-2006, 07:17
Cos there are some things which are only ever stones, and then somethings which are crystals sometimes (faceted and/or pointy) and stones othertimes (rounded and with no corners on)
And it's all the same, is it?
They all do the same stuff?
Or are the facets and points important?

I think that what make a crystal a crystal isn't the shape that the stone is cut into, but the stone itself. In other words, quarts is always a crystal- no matter if it is in it's natural (crystal shaped) form or if it has been reformed into a crystal ball, or a wine glass. At the same time, granite will never be a crystal- even if someone cuts it into a crystal shape, it is still a stone.

Lillie
03-10-2006, 07:24
yeah, that's what I thought.
Thanks.

ravenest
03-10-2006, 14:02
Good 'ol 'plain' stone is just as energized. There was a whole science in Egypt all about it. certain stone was used for certain things like parts of temples, shrines, etc. The stone was said to be alive and there was an art to selecting what stone to use in the field.

chrisam-crystals
03-10-2006, 17:07
i prefer to call everything healing stones rather than crystals and other stones.....it's less confusing to those who don't work with them. ;)

a good starter book is "the crystal bible" by judy hall as it has most of the basic types in there, and lots of info about how to use them and about chakra work too - the photos are very good for help with identifying.

then when you have progressed a little i can suggest getting "love is in the earth" by melody, which is jampacked with stones that you have never heard of and will probably never own! lol

as for spirits within stones and crystals, then that is what some people believe but not me....i think that the spirits that they speak of are the inherant enrgy within each stone, and they are trying to give it an identity.

but if you believe it then fine, everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs aren't they? :)

now shapes are another subject........and another message from me, as it is now 8am and i have to get the kids up for school! :D

jue xx

Razordance
04-10-2006, 13:51
I tend to use the terms crystal and stone pretty much interchangably when talking about healing stones. That said, if I really thought about it, I generally consider true crystals to be those with some sort of translucence, like quartz, amethyst, selenite etc, while those that are completely opaque are rocks.

sharpchick
05-10-2006, 00:30
You can get really technical with the word crystals, Lillie. There are crystals (like quartz, amethyst and selenite), minerals (like flourite, malachite and hematite) and fossils (like amber, petrified wood and jet). I think most ATers use the words crystal and stone interchangeably. Some purists might object to that, but so far, the crystal police haven't shown up to discipline us.

A website that might help you sort through those technicalities (if you are so inclined) is bestcrystals.com. (They also have some really good prices for those of us in the US, but I don't know if shipping to the UK would be cost prohibitive.)

Sophie
05-10-2006, 00:41
In the UK, shamancrystals.co.uk and holisticshop.co.uk are good value as a rule - and the former has some lovely stones (there, I've used both interchangeably - and no crystal police has erupted in front of me!).

As well as meditative and other metaphysical uses, I also work with crystals on body parts. For example, I sometimes get a short asthmatic cough. When that happens, I'll lie down, put a stone like adventurine on my chest, as near as possible to my bronchiae, and just leave it there, breathing as naturally as I can, for about 30 minutes. Or with a tension headache, I use hematite, applied directly at the point where the pain is the worst, and leave it there for 20-30 mins. For cystitis, a recurring problem of mine, I've found that blue topaz is very helpful, again, applied directly to the lower abdomen, or near the entry of the urethra. You can also massage a body part with a massage wand (these are like crystal points with a rounded end) - it's very soothing and helpful.

Good crystals books will tell you which stone is good for which condition.

Lillie
05-10-2006, 06:37
Thanks to everyone who has posted.

It's all interesting stuff.

I'll have to get a book or two about it all.
Thank you for the recomendations, Chrisam-Crystals. I will look out for them.

The mention of fossils such as jet and amber made me think.
What about real creature type fossils?

We have a trilobite, we found it in the back kitchen of an old house we were clearing out the three foot high rat nest and I picked up this stone and chucked it in the bin bag.
Then I thought, that's stupid, why throw a stone in there, why not just chuck it out the back door.
So I fished around in the bag of rat droppings and stuff till I found the rock.
And there was the trilobite looking up at me.
It must have been talking to me 'Save me! Save me!' Cos the actual reason for fishing it out the bag has always seemed stupid, liuke there must have been more to it than just that.
Anyhow, I'm glad I found him.

So, anyway.
The rock that the trilobite is on (I don't know what it it, but it's just an example) The rock is something,and that something will have particular properties.
Does the trilobite change anything about it?
Would it alter the rocks properties in any way, or would it just make no difference?

I suppose a bug in amber would be another example.

Amber has properties.
Does a bug in it make a difference, and would a fly be different to a spider, or is a bug just a bug regardless, or is amber just amber regardless?

Do I ask too many questions?

wizzle
14-10-2006, 15:51
Hiya Lillie....

Great questions and you can't ask too many. IMO, "working" with crystals/stones is like "working" with tarot cards. Are we really working with the cards or do we use them to enhance our own energies? I think that, particularly with crystals, they help with focus, whether we use the focus for healing, augmenting tarot card readings, or whatever.

Sooo..... I select a stone/crystal when I do a healing. And you betcha that plain old "stones" are every bit as good as the fancy, schmancy high priced "crystals" that are touted on the new age websites. As a matter of fact, although I own lots and lots of very nice "crystals", my very fav healing stone is one I found in a cheap bag of rocks. I've attached a pic, so you can see. This is a very complicated stone which is not pretty but I'd not trade it for anything. In new-age-speak, a crystal is any stone which the seller/book author can claim has particular properties and therefore merits $$$. Surf around a bit and you'll see what I mean.

I also pick out a crystal/stone before I do a reading, or ask the client to pick one out if I'm doing an in-person reading. Seems to help me with the flow of the reading.

Here are some good websites for crystal lore, etc

http://rainbowcrystal.com/
http://www.neatstuff.net/avalon/texts/know-how.html#study
http://www.sobrietystones.com/index.htm

have fun....surf hard.

Lillie
15-10-2006, 02:35
Hi Wizzle.

That's one interesting looking stone you have there.
All those stipes and the white band.
It's rather charming in it's own unique way.
Thank you for showing it.

Thanks for the links, I'll be looking into them.

I have been examining the stones in the garden,
Nothing nice.
Muddy rocks :(

Theres a local beach that has red and blue pebbles.
It's about time we took the dog down for a roll in the sand.
I'll come back with pocket fulls.

sharpchick
15-10-2006, 03:44
The mention of fossils such as jet and amber made me think.
What about real creature type fossils?

We have a trilobite, we found it in the back kitchen of an old house we were clearing out the three foot high rat nest and I picked up this stone and chucked it in the bin bag.
Then I thought, that's stupid, why throw a stone in there, why not just chuck it out the back door.
So I fished around in the bag of rat droppings and stuff till I found the rock.
And there was the trilobite looking up at me.
It must have been talking to me 'Save me! Save me!' Cos the actual reason for fishing it out the bag has always seemed stupid, liuke there must have been more to it than just that.
Anyhow, I'm glad I found him.

So, anyway.
The rock that the trilobite is on (I don't know what it it, but it's just an example) The rock is something,and that something will have particular properties.
Does the trilobite change anything about it?
Would it alter the rocks properties in any way, or would it just make no difference?

I suppose a bug in amber would be another example.

Amber has properties.
Does a bug in it make a difference, and would a fly be different to a spider, or is a bug just a bug regardless, or is amber just amber regardless?

Do I ask too many questions?

Many people, me included, believe that fossils help us access the askashic (spirit) record (the same would be true for record keeper crystals), and are useful for journeying, past life regression and the like. I always have fossils on my altar during my Samhain ritual, when I invite the ancestors to attend ritual and speak to me.

As to whether the critters inside a fossil make a difference, I think that would depend largely on whether or not you feel animals and critters bring specific guidance to us.

And I think you probably ask just the right number of questions, Lillie. I've always felt when studying an issue that the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.

geministar
30-10-2006, 10:10
try keeping a crystal journal and note down which stone you are using, the times that you use it and any changes or feelings that you notice when holding or wearing them.....you may be pleasantly surprised. ;)

This sounds interesting. Ive never thought of doing this before but I might give this a try.

For months now Ive been collecting crystals and are just starting to get a small collection together and the way I use them is to carry them around with me and I also like to place a calming stone under my pillow to help me sleep.

Sometimes I have been a bit skeptical about whether they work or not but I think the journal may really help me.


(((((((LARK))))))))

I really enjoyed reading your post and your different uses for crystals. Its certainly given me some ideas, thats for sure. :)