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Waterfaery
30-09-2007, 06:14
I bought one years ago and have been trying to learn to use it, but so far nothing. There are very few books out there on how to train yourself to use them, and I don't know whether my vision is playing a part in that or not (I have to wear glasses and have no peripheral vision in my right eye). Does your vision affect it at all? Are there any particular ways that some people have found eaiser to learn this? And which types of crystal balls are best for this (the one I bought is actually leaded glass, so that may have something to do with it, I don't know.) Any help and comments welcome and appreciated! Thanks in advance. Blessings!

Alta
30-09-2007, 06:43
I did a search for you for previous threads.... which is not to suggest that many people have newer ideas and could add them!

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=68334&highlight=Crystal+Balls

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=72936&highlight=Crystal+Balls

This one is most recent:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=76367

Alta
30-09-2007, 06:48
i know it may seem odd, but we try and separate out the qualities of crystal balls from their use as scrying tools. Those threads are in Divination.

Here is one in that Forum:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=77325

Waterfaery
30-09-2007, 08:45
Thanks, Marion! Considering what all I asked, I wasn't sure exactly where to post it. But thank you for answering and for the links.

MCsea
01-10-2007, 09:24
I bought one years ago and have been trying to learn to use it, but so far nothing. There are very few books out there on how to train yourself to use them, and I don't know whether my vision is playing a part in that or not (I have to wear glasses and have no peripheral vision in my right eye). Does your vision affect it at all? Are there any particular ways that some people have found eaiser to learn this? And which types of crystal balls are best for this (the one I bought is actually leaded glass, so that may have something to do with it, I don't know.) Any help and comments welcome and appreciated! Thanks in advance. Blessings!


You may be mindful of your 'short comings' with your eyesight
I hold a crystal ball and close my eyes to read sometimes... it may be a starting point for you?

Waterfaery
01-10-2007, 19:47
You may be mindful of your 'short comings' with your eyesight
I hold a crystal ball and close my eyes to read sometimes... it may be a starting point for you?

Good point, hadn't thought of that. I'll try your suggestion. Thanks! :)

thinbuddha
02-10-2007, 03:23
I doubt if poor vision with your physical eyes has anything to do with you not being able to see something. My crystal ball scrying has only been successful when my eyes were not in focus anyway.

stella01904
05-10-2007, 03:14
I'm so nearsighted I'm probably legally blind without my glasses, but I always take them off. They're distracting. So, bad eyes are no problem.

The main thing is practice. Very dim light, no reflections in the ball. Fifteen or twenty minutes a night until you get results. Do not be discouraged! Some people get results quickly, others take months. Just persevere.

Best books on the subject:
Crystal-Gazing by Theodore Besterman
Crystal Vision Through Crystal Gazing by Frater Achad
Crystal Gazing and Clairvoyance by John Melville

You may notice that all of these were written about 100 years ago! All the contemporary works I have seen on the subject are at best plaigarisations of these, or worse yet, BS like Ted Andrews Crystal Balls and Crystal Bowls. There is actually a thread here someplace where someone mentions ruining a pricey sphere using his "cleansing" methods. Zolar's Encyclopedia of Ancient and Forbidden Knowledge gives step-by-step instructions for getting results, and they work - because they were plaigarised almost word-for-word from the Melville book! Zolar also has some VERY racist and ignorant things to say about
what he refers to as "dreamy orientals" and "the tyranny of the Talai (sic) Lama." So, stick with the classics. :smoker:

Speaking of the Dalai Lama, his Freedom In Exile mentions Regent Rinpoche successfully scrying in the sacred vision lake Lhamo Lhatso in order to locate his new incarnation, and also the Tibetan art of Ta, gazing in a polished silver mirror. Much nicer than the Zolar book. :)

You might also be interested in F.W.H. Myers Human Personality and It's Survival of Bodily Death, for crystal gazing anecdotes as well as some other very interesting accounts.

Enjoy! And let us know if you have any more questions.

stella01904
05-10-2007, 03:22
And which types of crystal balls are best for this (the one I bought is actually leaded glass, so that may have something to do with it, I don't know.) Any help and comments welcome and appreciated! Thanks in advance. Blessings!Leaded glass is wonderful. Just wanted to mention that. ;)

How big is it?

Waterfaery
05-10-2007, 23:29
Thanks for the book list. Will definitely be looking for those.

My crystal is 105mm diameter. It's really beautiful. Most of the reference materials I've found thus far keep saying to look into the striations or bubbles. Mine doesn't have any of that. Just a completely clear ball.

thorhammer
05-10-2007, 23:40
In that case, WF, I'd quieten, meditate, whatever you do, then look at the ball and watch the reflections in it. Maybe have a candle nearby with a bit of a draft going through to make it flicker to get things started. Then just kind of unfocus, like you do with those 3D pictures you used to get, you know the ones? When I'm mirror-scrying, that's how I do it. It gets hard to let the images flow, they get kind of scary, but eventually you get the hang of it.

\m/ Kat

Waterfaery
05-10-2007, 23:46
Thanks so much! I've been trying this off an on for years. I get frustrated after a month or two and give up for a while, but it always draws me back. ;)

Guiding Cauldron
06-10-2007, 00:08
Lovely name by the way :) Just wanted you to know that if this sort of scrying is an intrest to you, defienetly keep trying!

To be honest I started scrying before I actually knew what it was! I could just see images, in bath bubles, coffe cream swirlings, hot chocolate milky cream swirls, etc..

Last year I was gifted an absolutely elegant ball paperweight, it has a gorgeous swirled blues and greens at the base then half way up theres this tiny lil bubble floating within the whole sphere. This was given to me by a non pagan, so the thought was a gift honestly as a paperweight!!

I LOVE the fab balls that are out there, however I can NOT afford a "real" one.

However I saw my paperweight and thought "i wonder if this would make a great crystal ball" I remember asking around AT for some help as well, got some great advice. I also remember finding it working when I thought of those "magic eye"pictures out there. The kind where its a blur of colors but if you just let go and relax a hidden picture pops out for you to see. I LOVE those and if you can see those scrying is a piece of cake :)

Maybe you can get a book like that to start, and practice with that until you get used to the way your eyes focus on them, then try on your ball.

I also found that if I have a candle glowing near by the ball, it helps me to see better as well. be prepared for the unexpected too. I thought I would be able to see in the whole sphere, but instead I have found the lil bubble inside is actually where I can see images,pictures, scenes etc. I have also found it easier to see in the ball for me to be in the daytime in subtle light, or twilight time in the evening. I havent been able to see in REALLY dark lighting as yet, meaning just by candle light.

My eye sight is horrible as well, without my contacts or glasses i'm as blind as a bat too, I see shapes but I cant give you details!

This does take perseverance but I found that when I didnt try so hard, it just sort of happened :)

Hope this helps a lil bit and bright blesings to you, you'll get there I'm sure :)

stella01904
06-10-2007, 01:30
Thanks for the book list. Will definitely be looking for those.

My crystal is 105mm diameter. It's really beautiful. Most of the reference materials I've found thus far keep saying to look into the striations or bubbles. Mine doesn't have any of that. Just a completely clear ball.
The size sounds perfect. Three or four inches across is generally considered ideal - small enough to easily block reflections, but large enough so as not to strain the eyes.

The older reference works advise against choosing a sphere with bubbles, occusions, etc. You want to gaze into a clear depth. I sometimes use a smokey quartz sphere with a few "veils" in it, but the light level is so low that the veils are not visible. There are a few people who get better results using a point de repère, i.e., a little spot of some kind to keep the eyes from wandering. But you can get this effect easily enough, if you want it, by allowing a very small spot of reflected light to remain on the ball.

I don't think that gazing at striations is conducive to generating a crystal vision.
I suspect this bit of lore got started by some writer who also happened to have a shop - which happened to sell stone spheres with lots of striations, occulsions, veils, fractures, etc., lol!

stella01904
06-10-2007, 01:42
Just wanted to mention, in my own experience I have never gotten results using candlelight, the flickering actually seems to prevent results. I like a dim, steady light, twilight or moonlight are ideal, though the light level indoors when it is very overcast and stormy outside is good, too.

Simply look into the crystal steadily, blinking as much as you need to. In time you'll notice little pinpoints of light, like stars, or swirly clouds. The crystal might disappear into a velvety blackness. The pictures will come in time.

Enjoy!

Waterfaery
06-10-2007, 15:13
And that's another detail that all the books argue about. Light level. So far I've only tried by candlelight. Another thing I keep running across is that most of them tell you never to scry at night. Seems odd to me considering the Moon rules the world of intuition, dreams, and divination. Looks like that would be best time to do it. Or maybe since I view it that way, maybe just the best time for me. ;)

serenaserendipity
06-10-2007, 15:50
hi waterfaery,

i had the honor of having a VERY amazing reading done by you recently, so being familiar with your extremely talented intuitive nature, i felt inclined to add my two cents...

i personally think everyone has their own personal elements and modalities that they work best with, for channelling or what have you...

my daughter and my boyfriend are both really into rocks and crystals... they really feel the special energy of the crystal...

but i'm not as earthy, i am more watery and emotional... i can feel people's emotions whether i want to or not and have to guard or ground myself by dressing in a way that enhances my spirit when i go out in public, otherwise i get overwhelmed...

i can channel easily with cards or with i-ching...

but i was thinking since you are already so intuitive with the modalities you are working with (tarot, runes, numerology) that scrying might not be your thing... maybe it's not your element

OR
perhaps you are used to using TOOLS for channelling like cards or stones... and a scrying tool is much more broad and openbased... it lacks the fixed concepts, arranged in endless combinations, that is represented by the tarot, etc...

i haven't tryed scrying with a crystal ball but i have tried meditating with crystals and they usually help me to sense and see more truely if i hold them in my hand and quiet my mind and try to put my feelers out to what is going on.

also i have tried scrying with turkish coffee grounds and that is really about seeing images in the bottom of a dark pool... similar to a crystal ball...

you almost have to cross your eyes a little bit, like looking at a rorsarsch blot, to stop seeing and to see INSIDe your mind's eye

but it's definitely hard to differentiate what's intuition and what's projection

to help make sure it's intuition and not projection, i would maybe try a crystal ball made of actual crystal, like a ball of smokey quartz or something like that.
because the energy of the crystal will help ground you and make sure you are seeing truth...

maybe when i see my b.f. again i will ask him, after sharing the reading you gave me, if we can give you one of ours...


b.f. is always buying crystals and giving them away so we have a lot of them lying around!
...

sorry to be so random and tangential, just thought i'd add a few thoughts...
i don't mean to discourage you from crystal scrying, i was just trying to help think of reason why it might be not flowing as easily. for example, i am far better at swimming than running...


sincerely,

serena

Waterfaery
06-10-2007, 23:44
hi waterfaery,

i had the honor of having a VERY amazing reading done by you recently, so being familiar with your extremely talented intuitive nature, i felt inclined to add my two cents...

Heavens, thank you!

but i'm not as earthy, i am more watery and emotional... i can feel people's emotions whether i want to or not and have to guard or ground myself by dressing in a way that enhances my spirit when i go out in public, otherwise i get overwhelmed...

Same here

maybe when i see my b.f. again i will ask him, after sharing the reading you gave me, if we can give you one of ours... b.f. is always buying crystals and giving them away so we have a lot of them lying around!

That would be lovely, Serena. Thank you.

sorry to be so random and tangential, just thought i'd add a few thoughts...
i don't mean to discourage you from crystal scrying, i was just trying to help think of reason why it might be not flowing as easily. for example, i am far better at swimming than running...


sincerely,

serena

You weren't, and thanks for the input. Being an empath I'm water as well, so that may have a good bit to do with it, who knows? I'm gonna keep trying, though.

stella01904
07-10-2007, 01:32
And that's another detail that all the books argue about. Light level. So far I've only tried by candlelight. Another thing I keep running across is that most of them tell you never to scry at night. Seems odd to me considering the Moon rules the world of intuition, dreams, and divination. Looks like that would be best time to do it. Or maybe since I view it that way, maybe just the best time for me. ;)
Night is fine! I've seen a similar warning that from 10 pm until 2 am is considered the "worst time" - no reason given, no source cited, and it just got copied from
book to book. Makes me wonder how many of these later writers even tried.

As for the earlier works, I think I should mention that Melville and Achad bring a bit of a ceremonial aspect to the process, none of this is necessary at all! Unless, like John Dee and Edward Kelly, you are trying to compel the presence of an angel into the crystal!!! Simply sitting and gazing is enough. You will find that your mind starts to wander at times. When it does, re-direct it to the crystal. This is what trains your mind to react to it automatically.
It's all you need. :)

Waterfaery
07-10-2007, 18:22
Thank you everyone for the input. You've all been a tremendous help. I'm going to keep trying and we'll see what develops ;)

thinbuddha
08-10-2007, 04:10
I prefer the inclusions of a natural crystal ball, though it is obviously not necessary for everyone. For me, it is much like watching the clouds change shape (and believe it or not, the inclusions *do* appear to move when I am scrying). It is simply amazing- it is a bit like a dream in that I can't really interpret anything based on the shapes I see, but it is wonderful and meditative all the same when I can do it. My best luck has been late at night with only small amounts of light. I haven't tried candlelight, but I suspect it would work well for the method that I've had success with.

-tb

mystere2e
04-04-2008, 05:25
Best books on the subject:
Crystal-Gazing by Theodore Besterman
Crystal Vision Through Crystal Gazing by Frater Achad
Crystal Gazing and Clairvoyance by John Melville


FYI, all three of these books are available from Google Books. You can view a limited preview of each of them.

You should also look these up on Google Books because they are available in their entirety for free...

Crystal Gazing, Its History and Practice: With a Discussion of the Evidence ... By Northcote Whitridge Thomas, Andrew Lang

and

The Curious Lore of Precious Stones By George Frederick Kunz

mystere2e
06-04-2008, 13:14
I ordered my first (and only?) crystal ball to begin scrying... Here she is...

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01712.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01713.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01714.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01715.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01716.jpg

She looks just like the moon... Perfect! I cannot wait to work with her.

stella01904
09-04-2008, 03:45
You should also look these up on Google Books because they are available in their entirety for free...

Crystal Gazing, Its History and Practice: With a Discussion of the Evidence ... By Northcote Whitridge Thomas, Andrew Lang

Hmmm, Andrew Lang, one of the old SPR crowd! Thanks!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lang

Waterfaery
10-04-2008, 04:49
Does anybody have any personal tips for brain training with the crystal ball? I get focused and get started pretty well, but as soon as I notice that it's doing something I lose it! It's frustrating me no end lol.

stella01904
11-04-2008, 01:35
Does anybody have any personal tips for brain training with the crystal ball? I get focused and get started pretty well, but as soon as I notice that it's doing something I lose it! It's frustrating me no end lol.
Just to sit every day and gaze. When your mind starts to wander, and it will, direct your attention back to the crystal. If you "lose it" when you start to see things, just tell yourself that next time will be better and keep practicing. Short practice periods are best - 15 or 20 minutes. Don't sit for more than a half hour, especially when you are still learning. It's fatiguing, and you are trying to learn to get results quickly, after all.

Enjoy! And let us know how things progress.

mystere2e
11-04-2008, 13:44
I will also be training myself to scry, once my crystal arrives. I look forward to posting my results/progress as well. :)

Violetgems
13-04-2008, 10:01
I ordered my first (and only?) crystal ball to begin scrying... Here she is...

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01712.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01713.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01714.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01715.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh85/my_rainbow_photo/ball/DSC01716.jpg

She looks just like the moon... Perfect! I cannot wait to work with her.

ONly to post to say...how utterly beautiful is that sphere?! Divine. I could get stuff off of her just by looking at the photo. Just breathtaking. <3 Thank you. :)

elenamhs
14-04-2008, 17:47
I wanted to say that when I scry successfully, I am not exactly seeing things in the crystal, though that can happen too, rather it is as though images project across my forehead or sort of appear on an internal screen in my mind. It's as though I am in a reverie and just pay attention to what comes. This can come in images such as animals, birds or wise folk, or images like boats on water, or other situations like that. These things are symbols which then are for me to interpret according to my own internal reference.

However, there are books on symbols which can be helpful to read before hand to sort of prepare my mind to speak a language of symbols.

Best wishes,

elenamhs
14-04-2008, 18:02
I also wanted to tell you about a large gazing crystal which I once saw. It was a large smoky or slightly yellowish quartz with MANY inclusions. It wasn't round at all, and was maybe 1 1/2 feet wide, with one side polished and rounded. It was extremely powerful and old. All the "dirty" inclusions really added to the organic nature of this being. The inclusions did not interfere with anything like I thought they would. [The balls which I have are very clear because I thought they needed to be.]

I would love one of those! It's one of those things you dream about owning. Maybe some day...

Best wishes,

Waterfaery
15-04-2008, 14:07
Oh wouldn't a crystal like that smoky quartz be a beautiful addition to your tools?? Wow! I started with a leaded glass one since they were cheaper, figuring if I could learn to use it I would add another one later on. I've seen some of the most stunning pieces in gem shops and Wiccan catalogs. There's an amethyst ball with large inclusions at our local shop that I would kill for! But alas, it's nearly $400!!

Update on my personal progress: the crystal begins to get misty or smoky looking, my eyes move and I lose it. I think my problem is all those years of sitting outside in the woods just watching nature. I trained myself to watch for the slightest movement, even of shadows, so I wouldn't miss any of the creatures I was there to study. I think it's become so ingrained that I can't just sit and stare without moving my eyes lol. I also seem to have better luck looking at the wall just above the crystal rather than at the crystal itself. Maybe since it's in my peripheral vision my subconscious has more control over what is shown there?

7 months to get this far, but it is progress lol. Good luck to my fellow scryers!

stella01904
16-04-2008, 02:46
Update on my personal progress: the crystal begins to get misty or smoky looking, my eyes move and I lose it. I think my problem is all those years of sitting outside in the woods just watching nature. I trained myself to watch for the slightest movement, even of shadows, so I wouldn't miss any of the creatures I was there to study. I think it's become so ingrained that I can't just sit and stare without moving my eyes lol. It's natural for your eyes to follow movement to some extent. You just gaze naturally into the crystal, blink as much as you want, relax. Don't force a hard stare.
I also seem to have better luck looking at the wall just above the crystal rather than at the crystal itself. Maybe since it's in my peripheral vision my subconscious has more control over what is shown there?I get a lot of stuff going on around and outside the crystal as well. Acknowledge it and let it pass. Keep directing your attention to the crystal.

Has it gone black yet?

Alta
16-04-2008, 02:53
Hi all,

This is entering a tricky divide now. Crystals & Herbs Forum is for the discussion of properties and uses of crystals and herbs. And, yes, scrying is a use. And, you could discuss which ones were best, your experiences in choosing and opinions on types of crystal balls, post pictures of yours, discuss whether inclusions are better than purely clear, etc. for scrying.

But, when you get to scrying techniques and scrying observations, a new thread in Divination would be best. And I think we have gotten there. Feel free to post the link to the new thread here though so those following on this section can find it easily.

Alta,
Moderator, Crystals & Herbs