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Minderwiz
30-11-2002, 01:43
It's really encouraging to see people trying to read their own charts - and those of others. So I thought I'd start a thread on the process so that people can ask questions on the methods of chart interpretation.

For this thread I'll assume that you already have your own chart, obtained of the Net or from computer software.

The first thing you should do is go through the balance of elements (triplicities) and qualities or modalities (quadruplitities).

I'll deal with the elements in this post

The Elements are:

Fire - Aries, Leo, Sagittarius
Earth - Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn
Air - Gemini, Libra, Aquarius
Water - Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces

The simplest way is to count one for each planet in one of these signs. So you could end up with say, five Water, three Air and one each of the other two.

Most astrologers will go beyond this. The most common variant is to count two each for the luminaries (Sun and Moon). Some will go further and also count two for the Ascendant ruler (which is also called the chart ruler), some will even count two for the Sun's ruler (planet that rules the sign that the Sun is in). Others do not count the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto as their effect is generational, rather than personal. I tend to use the first variant and count two for Sun and Moon, giving me a maximum of twelve in the count.

You should also take not of the elements of the Ascendant and the MC - use these as possible 'tie breakers' (though again some astrologers will include them in the count).

Look for which element is dominant (if any) and just as important, which element or elements are weak.

In crude terms Fire is action, enthusiasm, strength, honesty, radiated energy, and impatience.

Earth is practicality, materialistic, persistant, careful and suspicious

Air is ideas, mental activity, theories, abstract concepts, detached and rational

Water is feelings, emotions, the power of the unconscious mind, empathy, sympathy, sensitive and receptive.

A lack of one of these does not mean that that side of the personality is entirely absent - it means that the person may have difficulty expressing that side - a lack of Water may suggest that the person has difficulty expressing their feelings and emotions or treats them with suspicion or will be uncomfortable with emotional displays by others.

Astrologers will also look for compensations in the chart for any lack of element. These are through house placements. The first, fifth and ninth Houses are sometimes called the Fire Houses or the Triplicity of Life. Planets in these, what ever the sign, can be seen as offseting a lack of Fire.

The Triplicity of Substance or Matter, the second, sixth and tenth houses may provide planets which offest a lack of Earth.

The remaining Triplicities of Houses are those of Relationships and Soul (or endings) which correspond to Air and Water respectively.

The Astrologer, Stephen Arroyo, reckons that over 50% of his interpretation is based on the elements (and their qualities).

If there are any questions, I'll answer them and then post on the qualities of Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable in terms of balance and the Yin/Yang balance.

isthmus nekoi
30-11-2002, 01:54
Thanks for starting this up, Minderwiz! I think that understanding the elements and modalities (aka qualities) are really important and that's why I'm going through the rest of the zodiac by element. It's easy to get caught up in the nitty gritty of the signs and planets, in fact, I didn't pay much attn to the elements/modes at first.... but now I find them to be very important basic concepts that yield a lot of info.

Minderwiz
30-11-2002, 02:23
For anyone wanting a good book on this area Stephen Arroyo's Astrology, Psychology and The Four Elements is excellent.

Minderwiz
01-12-2002, 01:41
After estaablishing the element balance for the chart go on and look at the qualities and the Yin/Yang balance.

The Qualities are:

Cardinal: Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn

Fixed: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius

Mutable: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces

The best way to look at them is as the attributes you need to design, initiate and see through a project.

Cardinal signs are initiators, they provide the push to get things going, but they may become bored once things are underway and lose interest - staying power may be a problem

Fixed signs have the staying power to see things through. They can be single minded and will work hard to a purpose. They are not particularly good at getting things underway and once things are underway they may be slow to adapt to changing circumstances

Mutable signs are good at change and adaptation, though again may lack staying power.

A good balance of all three shows the ability to intiate, see things through and adapt to change. An excess of one or a lack of another can cause problems in seeing a 'project' through.

The Yin/Yang balance is sometimes referred to as masculine and feminine or positive and negative.

The Yang principle is embodied by the Fire and Air signs and is active and outwardly directed - it is associated with extroversion by psychological astrologers.

The Yin principle is embodied in the Earth and Water signs and is passive and receptive. It is associated with introversion by psychological astrologers.

Again a balance is desirable an imbalance, especially a strong imbalance may be a good indicator of introversion or extroversion.

In the next post I'll mention hemisphere analysis and aspect patterns.

Minderwiz
01-12-2002, 21:27
The final issues in taking an overview of your chart are hemisphere analysis and aspect patterns.

I'll talk about hemisphere analysis here and then do a separate post on aspect patterns.


Hemispheres analysis looks at the relative weighting between two hemispheres of the chart. The first two are the Northern Hemisphere - which consists of Houses 1 - 6 inclusive and the Southern Hemisphere which consists of Houses 7 - 12 inclusive.

Or to put it more simply, the Northern hemisphere is that part of your chart below the Ascendant/Descendant line and the Southern hemisphere is that part of your chart above the Ascendant/Descendant line. Incidentally, if your Sun is in the Southern hemisphere you were born during the daytime, if it is in the Northern hemisphere you were born during nightime.

Count the planets in each half. If most of your planets fall into the northern hemisphere then you are more likely to be more introverted and private in your expression, you don't easily share your innermost thoughts with others. If most of your planets are in the Southern hemisphere then you are more likely to be extroverted in your expression and more open with your feelings to others. The argument for this is that in the Southern hemisphere planets are visible (assuming that the Sun is not one of them) in the Northern hemisphere planets cannot be seen at all, as (in the Northern hemisphere of Earth) they have set below the horizon.

The other part of hemisphere analysis is to look at the Eastern and Western hemispheres. The Eastern hemisphere is houses 10 - 12 and 1 -3 or the left hand half as you look at your chart. Technically these lie to the East of the Midheaven, the Ascendant being the most Easterly part of your chart. The Western hemisphere is that to the right of the Midheaven, the right hand part of your chart, Houses 4 - 9 inclusive.

If you have most planets in the East, then your are most focused on individual expresion, you are self reliant, self initiating and active.

If you have most of your planets in the West then you are most focused on relating to others. You are more receptive, tend to rely on others and follow the lead of others.

Don't overdo the interpretation here. a 6 - 4 split is only just out of balance and is actually more likely than a 5 -5 split of planets. However 8 -2 or 9 - 1 gives a strong picture and 7 -3 shows definite tendencies.

You can combine both these approaches and look at the quadrants of your chart (SE, SW, NW, and NE) by combining the interpretations.

The interpretations above apply to people born in the Northern Hemisphere of Earth and thinking about it whilst I was writing, I think the North/South interpretation would have to be reversed for people living in the Southern Hemisphere of Earth.

Hemisphere analysis is not as widely accepted as the analysis of elements done previously and you will find many who do not use it. I use it as a back up to element analysis but will give precedence to the elements if I come across conflict between two interpretations.

zorya
02-12-2002, 14:46
thank you, thank you, thank you minderwiz! i can now look at the charts of my family and feel like i am really getting a 'big important picture'.

i am using a chart from astrodienst. it includes chiron and the 'true node'. should i leave these out when analysing the elements and hemispheres etc.?

you wrote about looking for compensations for lack of elements. does this also apply with qualities, yin yang balance and hemispheres? would a sun, moon and rising have more influence than the other planets?

Minderwiz
03-12-2002, 01:33
I wouldn't use the nodes in this process, nor for that matter the part of fortune or any other mathematical point (with the exceptions of Ascendant and MC, which I would note separately).

Chiron is a very debatable issue. There are many Astrologers who would count it here. There are also many who would not count it at all or use it as a supporting 'planet' after the count. I don't use it at this stage but if you feel that Chiron has a definite role to play then you can include it.

You could use compensation for the qualities, using Angular, Succedent and Cadent Houses, for Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable signs. I haven't seen any compensation based on the Yin/Yang balance - I think if you have also done the hemisphere analysis you probably have enough info to form a judgement.

Ranking of planets is again a rather debatable issue but I think there is little doubt that the Sun ranks first (though by how much is the debate) followed by Ascendant, Moon (some would say vice versa), Chart Ruler, and possibly Sun ruler. Then the personal planets Mercury, Venus and Mars. Jupiter and Saturn are more social planets (you and your interaction with society) because of their relatively slow orbit and then the outer planets last.

Astrologers will give more emphasis to a planet that is Angular (rising, zenith, setting or nadir) than if it is placed away from the angles. Saturn or one of the outer planets on the Ascendant would become important rather than a relatively minor consideration.

This is rather simplistic because it ignores aspects - a conunction of the Sun and Neptune will give Neptune more importance than say Jupiter when it is inconjunct Mars (and assuming that it has no other aspect of importance).

Some computer software will rank aspects depending on the planets, where they are and what the aspect is - that can be helpful in sorting out relative importance.

Otherwise work from the Sun outwards for planets and take account of where they are and if they make major aspects to other planets.

Minderwiz
03-12-2002, 02:01
The last part of the overview is in someways the most difficult - especially without loads of sample charts.

However here goes: Astrologers also give importance to some of the patterns formed by drawing aspect lines between the planets. On computer/internet charts these tend to be blue for easy aspects such as trines and sextiles and red for hard aspects such as oppositions and squares.

The main patterns are:

Grand Trine - three planets in signs of the same element and in trine to each other. This gives a blue equilateral triangle on your chart. It shows the easy flow of energy around your chart - in Fire signs this signifies a highly active person. in Earth signs people who are grounded and practical and material things come easily to them. In Air they are extremely social and relationship oriented, good at making connections and ideas and in Water they are extremely sensitive to emotions and often act on intuition and instinct.

Grand Cross - two planets in opposition to each other both in square to two other planets in opposition to each other. They form a red square on your chart and can be in Cardinal, Fixed or Mutable signs. They show a store of driving energy. In Cardinal signs they are conccerned with identity, in Fixed signs they are concerned with self worth and in Mutalbe signs they are concerned with maintaining focus and coherence.

For both Grand Trines and Grand Squares the effect is lessened (some would say greatly lessened) if one or more of the planets is out of element or out of quality. For example a Grand Trine with two Earth signs and a Fire sign (late degree) would be weakened.

T Square - this is a Grand Cross with a missing planet,, so to speak - it forms a right angle triangle (in red) on your chart. There are two planets in opposition both square to a third planet. A T square is about moving forward or taking action with the focus on the planet at the apex of the T Square. So take note of this planet by element and quality.

Stelium - in someways this is the easiest to recognise - several planets all conjunct in one sign. In practice they will be separated by several degrees, strictly speaking, no more than eight degrees from the next. Four planets could therefore more or less cover the entire sign, though it is most likely that they will all be in a space of 10 - 15 degrees. The usual definition is that three or more planets have to be involved. The closer they are together the strong the stellium is. A stellium places a great importance on the energy of that sign in the person's life - again it is stronger if the personal planets (Sun, Moon , Mercury, Venus and Mars) are involved. You can get away with taking a stellium as simply three or more planets in the sign, no matter what the separation but be a little cautious if you do.

I have two stellia - one in Scorpio and one in Leo, each with three planets.

You will see reference to other aspect patterns, with exotic names such as 'Kite', 'See Saw,' 'Finger of Yod','Bowls', 'Buckets' and 'Locomotives'. Start out with the ones mentioned above and as you get used to chart analysis seek out the definitions and meanings of the rest.

Aspect patterns enable you to tease more out of the chart at a holistic level and they are relatively easy to analyse.

isthmus nekoi
03-12-2002, 09:52
T-Square cont: I've read that if you find the degree that opposes the apex planet you'll find the area of your chart that you need to work on, or where you will find resolution to the T-Square. w/my limited experience, I find ppl instinctively work on those areas anyways... ie. I have a friend who is aware of major issues w/body image and self worth and her 'empty' opposition is in the 2nd house (forget which sign).

One question I think might have gotten lost in the Sag thread: How important are dispositors in interpreting a chart?

Étoile Filante
10-12-2002, 00:57
Question to Minderwiz

What does having weak aspects or strong aspects means?

Minderwiz
10-12-2002, 07:13
Etoile,

In the context I've used it a strong aspect is one which is exact or near to it. For example a square is a 90 degree angle between two planets, if the angle is say 88- 92 degrees I would take this as a strong aspect. If the angle were say 84 - 96 degrees I would take that as a weak aspect.

There is no hard and fast rules about how quickly aspects use strength and indeed whether they ever become so weak as to be completely negligible. However for practical purposes all astrologers will set 'orbs' - a range around the exact angle - which they will use to decide whether an aspect should be considered. All astrologers will agree that the nearer to exact the angle becomes the stronger is the interaction between the two planets.

Minderwiz
14-12-2002, 01:19
We have looked at the elements and the overall shape of the Natal Chart – now is the time to start looking at the planets and sensitive points.

I am going to divide these into four main groups.

Firstly the Ascendant, Sun and Moon. These are the three most important placements in the natal chart.

Secondly Mercury, Venus and Mars. Together with the Sun and Moon they make up the Personal Planets in any natal chart.

Thirdly, Jupiter, Saturn and the Midheaven. Jupiter and Saturn are termed social planets – they give an indication of how a person fits into society and reacts with society. The Midheaven or MC gives some indication of Social Status and Career.

Fourthly, the trans-Saturns – Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. These are often called generational planets because they stay in the same sign for several years – over 30 years in the same sign is possible in the case of Pluto.

There are other bodies that you might include, such as Chiron the comet/asteroid, or Sensitive Points, such as the Part of Fortune. However if you are a novice I would not include these until you can satisfactorily handle the rest. That is not to say that they are unimportant but that in the main they give supporting information rather than prime information about a person.

In each case the method is to look at the sign in which the planet or point is located, look at the House in which it is located and look at any aspects it makes to the other Planets and sensitive points. I will only cover major aspects – the conjunction, opposition, square, trine and sextile. Again this is not because minor aspects are unimportant but because as a beginner these are the main ones that require synthesis into your interpretation. The minor aspects will add supporting information and detail. Deal with them when you feel confident.

The above areas are the essentials. You may well see other techniques being used, such as midpoints, but the essentials are what count. I tend only to use minor aspects, midpoints, Chiron, etc when I am focussing on a particular issue. For a general interpretation I tend to emphasise elements and shape, plus personal planets and their major aspects.

zander770
14-12-2002, 07:51
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Minderwiz
[B]Chiron is a very debatable issue. There are many Astrologers who would count it here. There are also many who would not count it at all or use it as a supporting 'planet' after the count. I don't use it at this stage but if you feel that Chiron has a definite role to play then you can include it.

(~Z~770) great thread, btw...i just got a new transit reading done and was a "wee-bit confused" regarding this "astroid" dubed "chiron"--for example:

"Chiron 3rd House – Chiron through the 3rd House has to do with the ways we were allowed to express our ideas and feeling to others as children. We learn how we should communicate very early in life, what is OK and what isn’t OK. The results color the way that we will exchange information throughout the rest of our life. The manner in which you learned to communicate or not communicate to others can hold you back from expressing your true self to others, and from intimately sharing who you are with another in a relationship. This transit reveals the pain you feel by not being able to express whom you truly are to others, and offers you the opportunity to open up and communicate."

i've been attempting to "understand" astrology, for years! cannot figure out exactly my "lack of talent" is, but, it's still "hard," for me...well? at least tarot's a forte!

and, moreover: how can one doubt "the king of the centaurs"?!?

~Z~770
:T2P

isthmus nekoi
14-12-2002, 09:04
Minderwiz, I feel a bit weird asking this again, but it's something that I've been wondering about: How important are dispositors in interpreting a chart? Do mutual receptions have a great impact (esp if one planet is in exalt or fall), or do they need strong aspects to really have an influence?

Minderwiz
14-12-2002, 23:55
A very good question Isthmus, and I'm not sure there is a definitive answer to it - or at least whether I know the answer to it :) .

For other's reading this thread a dispositor is the planet who rules the sign another planet is in. so at the moment the Sun is in Sagittarius, the ruler of Sagittarius is Jupiter, so Jupiter is the Sun's dispositor. Next weekend when the Sun moves into Capricorn, the Sun's dispositor will be Saturn. Each planet has a dispositor, unless it is in a sign that it rules itself. So Jupiter in Sagittarius is its own dispositor - or if you prefer it does not have a dispositor. Dispositors are rather like the person who is putting you up for the night, you have something of an obligation to them and they have considerable influence over you.

Mutual reception is where two planets disposit each other - for example Jupiter in Cancer and the Moon in Sagittarius disposist each other - its the equivalent of swapping houses for a week with someone. You each have an obligation to the other but you are in quite a strong position because they owe you just as much as you owe them.

In traditional Astrology dispositorships are important, and I use them in my horary readings if I need to. In a natal reading I tend not to use them unless I'm exploring something in more depth. So if I'm looking at say, the sixth House in some depth because I've a question relating to health. Then I will use the dispositor (or ruler) of the planet who rules the sixth House. For example if the sixth House is in Gemini and Mercury is in Aries, then I will also involve Mars in my analysis by sign and House, as well as Mercury and as well as any planet in the sixth (and also the Moon if any of the planets are in Cancer - though Mars will get the important emphasis and the Moon much less).

I take mutual reception as having some importance even if there is no aspect between the two planets - though if there is an aspect then the relationship is more important and if it is a strong aspect then it will be very important.

One of the problems I find, is that using a computer you can amass an awful lot of data and if you try to include it all then you can run to thirty to fifty pages for a reading. At this length you probably obscure as much as you highlight - so I now keep to a much shorter list of chart features (those I'm covering in this thread) and use the others for an indepth look at a particular issue in depth.

Whether others do the same I'm not sure but I think they probably do.

isthmus nekoi
15-12-2002, 03:34
Thanks a bunch, Minderwiz! :D I was finding it strange, how some books would emphasize dispositors, and some wouldn't mention them at all! I suspected my 2 mutual receptions were important b/c they aspect each other: Jup/Ven quintile by less than a degree, Mars/Uran sextile by 4. Mars/Uran are very important though b/c they're conj my ASC/MC respectively...

I agree that dispositors is probably not the first thing in a chart someone should look at. After the main structures and themes of the chart has been laid down, this can probably be built upon it. In following big to little, general to specific, you won't find yourself lost in all the information... ie once you know what the main issues of the chart are, you can apply the specifics accordingly (instead of having a bunch of specifics and not knowing what to do w/them).

Minderwiz
15-12-2002, 03:50
If you are looking for a good book on dispositors have a look at Alan Oken's Rulers of the Horoscope for an application of these to a natal chart. On the more traditional side Kevin Burk's Astrology - Understanding The Birth Chart, gives a slightly different slant - both are well worth the read.

As you say, for focussing right down into particular areas of the chart they are very useful. They don't really help you see the wood from the trees, but once you've identified the wood they're great in identifying the species of trees and their sub species.

isthmus nekoi
15-12-2002, 05:32
thanks for the book suggestions, Minderwiz. I'm going to add them to the intro thread!

Minderwiz
17-12-2002, 01:21
The first and most important group of planets (and sensitive points) is the Ascendant, Sun and Moon.

In the space available I cannot really cover all possibilities in terms of sign and house placement and therefore will not attempt the undertaking. Instead I’ll deal with general principals of the approach and suggest some reading.

Dealing with the reading first, there are many books on the market designed to provide a ‘cookbook’ approach. A good one in Stephen Arroyo’s ‘Chart Interpretation Handbook’, which is fine for beginners and the experienced alike. For the more advanced student Tracy Marks’ ‘Art of Chart Interpretation’ provides an excellent structural approach – excellent for Virgo’s and Capricorns.

The Ascendant is often described as the mask we wear or the image of ourselves that we project to the outside world. The only real disagreement with this definition comes from the Parkers (Julia and Derek) in their Parker’s Astrology – where they argue that people are now so used to their Sun sign characteristics that they deliberately project those, the Ascendant being the real underlying ‘you’. I go with the majority. For my purposes the ‘Ascendant’ therefore is the characteristics of the sign on the Eastern Horizon of your natal chart, that you project to the outside world. It also gives an indication of how we ‘see’ and ‘interpret’ the world around us. If you have a Scorpio Ascendant then you will project yourself in a very ‘Scorpion’ way to others but you will also see the world through the eyes of ‘Scorpio’ – it tells us something about how we meet life. If you are using the equal House system, knowing the Ascendant will also give further indications of personality- for example the Scorpio Ascendant person will have Sagittarius on the cusp of his or her second House and therefore will have a very optimistic and energetic approach to money and possessions. Also of importance is the blend between Ascendant and Sun sign – if the two are compatible then we are much more at peace with ourselves than if the two are rather incompatible. Someone with an Aries Sun but a Cancer Ascendant may find it difficult to express their creativity and their will and their inner selves through their interaction with the world. A Sagittarius Sun sign with a Leo Ascendant will find it much more easy.

Finally on the Ascendant, look for the Ascendant ruler – the Planet ruling your Ascendant sign. Its position in your horoscope is very important and it is the third most important planet in your chart (some would say second most important) – its position by sign and house will influence the way in which you behave. For example if your ruling planet is Mercury and its in the tenth House then you will find a need to establish your self through your position in the world (career and social status), through communicating with others to achieve this or through the use of mental energy in your chosen career. If Mercury is in Scorpio then you will do this in a very intense way.

The Sun sign denotes the way in which your creativity, will power, general health and inner purpose manifest themselves in the outside world. For example Sun in Sagittarius suggests that this will be in an expansive and optimistic manner. The Sun’s House placement shows the area of life in which the foremost expression of these traits occurs (but of course not the only one). The Sun in the sixth may denote a desire to serve others, or work in health care industries. Sun in the fifth may denote an inclination to be a gambler, or a sports person or to express through hobbies and games. Sun in the eighth may express these traits through working for big business, working with other people’s money and resources or designing in waste disposal systems (amongst a large variety of other things). The extent to which you find this easy or difficult will depend on compatibility between Sun and Ascendant, Sun and Moon and the various aspects to the Sun. A preponderance of easy aspects (trines and sextiles) may make it easier to express yourself than a preponderance of squares and oppositions. (of course the planets involved in these aspects will influence how the expression takes place). For example Sun aspects to Saturn (father) or the Moon (mother) may indicate childhood experiences and the effect of childhood on our lives. Finally look for the planet ruling the sign in which the Sun is placed. Unless you are a Leo, the Sun will have a ruler and its placement by sign and house will also affect the way in which the Sun can express itself.

The Moon represents our receptive, passive, instinctual feelings. It is often identified with the unconscious and our reactions without thinking. It also shows the situations in which we feel at ease with ourselves or right about ourselves. Traditionally it also says something about our relationship to public things and the public at large. The Moon is identified with the Mother and so it also represents our Mothers in the horoscope, along with the tenth House. As with Sun/Ascendant the Sun/Moon compatibility is important. For example if we have Aquarius as our Sun sign we may find it very difficult to integrate a Cancer Moon into our personality. Aquarius likes to be detached, does not really trust feelings and emotions, the Same would be true of a Capricorn Sun and Cancer Moon. The Moon’s placement by sign and House indicate how we express this intuitive, receptive, somewhat moody side of ourselves. In Cancer we will be highly protective of family and Children, taking an extremely ‘maternal’ role whether we are male or female, in the ninth house we are likely to feel good about ourselves whilst learning, developing and expanding ourselves. We feel at ease with long distance travel or higher education.

Again the ease with which we can express the Moon in our charts is governed by the aspects to it from the other planets. The Moon’s ruler does not get the attention that the chart ruler and the Sun’s ruler get. However it will help to look at its position by sign and house. The affairs of the House occupied by the Moon and the House occupied by its ruler are linked.

AquarianGoddess suggested in one of her posts that it’s a good idea to construct cue cards, for the planets, signs and houses. All that you need to do then is to take the cue card for, say, the Sun and find the cue cards relating to its sign and House. Read these consecutively to achieve your initial interpretation.

I’ve assumed here that people are relatively familiar with the Signs and Houses. If you are not I will gladly post these as a separate (short) thread and try to keep them relatively high up in the threads list. Just let me know.

lunalafey
19-12-2002, 22:04
Originally posted by Minderwiz
For the more advanced student Tracy Marks’ ‘Art of Chart Interpretation’ provides an excellent structural approach – excellent for Virgo’s and Capricorns.



Asc. virgo
Sun. capricorn
Moon. capricorn

Ya' think I should get this book???

I can see how the Sun and Asc. can get turned around, people getting used to thier sun sign....projecting those traits I think I'm sort of that way, but not the same in projecting.
Yet, I agree with the majority as well, that the Asc. is the 'us' we take into the world.
There is Virgo that comes out in me that I never noticed before. People think I'm a Virgo. Virgo and Cap are very simular though, and the combination of signs and planets sort of squeezes it all into one ball.

Minderwiz
20-12-2002, 03:04
Lunalafey,

The book is an account of Tracy Marks' method and weighting but if you are after a very methodical approach to chart interpretation then this is a good book. However it assumes that you are pretty familiar with the meanings attached to signs, planets and Houses and that you want some structure for integrating the various chart aspects - if this is where you are then this book is a very good buy.

If you don't feel that you are familiar with these areas then Arroyo's book is the best one, then progress onto Marks when you feel comfortable.

Barbaras Ahajusts
19-11-2006, 03:02
In the context I've used it a strong aspect is one which is exact or near to it. For example a square is a 90 degree angle between two planets, if the angle is say 88- 92 degrees I would take this as a strong aspect. If the angle were say 84 - 96 degrees I would take that as a weak aspect.
There is no hard and fast rules about how quickly aspects use strength and indeed whether they ever become so weak as to be completely negligible. However for practical purposes all astrologers will set 'orbs' - a range around the exact angle - which they will use to decide whether an aspect should be considered. All astrologers will agree that the nearer to exact the angle becomes the stronger is the interaction between the two planets.

I'm not a math person, and obviously it is going to show in this post.
Is there pictures with the exact degree anywhere for reference?
Example, L = ?degrees , _l= ?degrees.

Sorry for this, but I have to see to understand.

Thanks so much for your help!
I've googled this question and got an answer. Thank you anyway.
Barb

leephd
19-11-2006, 23:29
and, moreover: how can one doubt "the king of the centaurs"?!?

~Z~770
:T2P

Actually - doubt is easy. The queston isn't Chiron's position among the pantheon's, but mythology's place in astrological interpretation! You see - there's no evidence that any of the interretations in astrology were ever that closely linked to mythology until either the 19th or the 20th century.

Babylonian astrology lacked any kind of birth chart untl relatively late (circa 400 BCE) - so an comments about the planets before that were omenistic, not descriptive. Even once the birth chart developed, the birth was read omenistically - it showed what you would do, not who you were. In this context, stories about Marduk were not especially useful to astrological analysis.

Hellenistic astrology developed in a culture in which the "gods" were not necessarily taken that seriously - and at any rate, there was a polyglot of possible deities. Stories of Aphrodite's loves were just that - stories. Hellenistic astrology developed ideas of timing - again, not mythic based.

These were the two root systems for the development of Western classical astrology - along with cross-fertilization from India. By the development of classical astrology by the Arabs, one monotheism or another was the dominant cultural influence, and so again, these myths were just stories. And not especially applicable to event-based astrology.

Mythology only comes on strong in astrology after Jung's work showing the correlation of mythical themes with many life issues for the person. And by this time, modern astrology had developed the concept that the birth chart shows who you are, as well as where you're going. It's within that context of "who" that mythical themes become important.

But this kind of modern astrology is less than 100 years old. We have yet to see how stable it will be.