The fool & Aleph follys doom is ruin

[ravenest]

If they don't know what it means then they haven't been paying attention to the ceremony, the knowledge lectures or sought interpretation.

I remember seeing one FM's apron that had Hebrew letters ... sort of ... they were Hebrew letters once but after years of copying them from one apron to an other, or through 'repetitive shorthand' they were hardly recognisable. The FM / owner of the article described them as ornamental curlicues and did not believe they had any significance. He also could not see the reason to have Hebrew on the apron regardless of the fact that his initiation was enacted in a simulation of the building of King Solomon's Temple.

 

[ravenest]

Anyway, to get back to the topic (sorta) I have always thought the construction of Hebrew letters is based on the shape of flames in fire.

(This is an 'occult idea' so forget the development of script from pictograms )

I also like to think of Arabic and Farsi script as air ( or incense smoke shapes in air)

Chinese and Japanese script as earth.

And for water .... hmmm ... I haven't really thought this through have I ?

 

[ravenest]

Secret meanings of Hebrew letters:

http://www.meru.org/Press/Atlantisrising.html


http://www.hope-of-israel.org/hay&vav.htm

Extract: “Secret Code of the Hebrew Alphabet.
The Awesome Mystery of the Hebrew "HAY"[h] and "VAV"[w]
Hidden in the original Hebrew text of the Tanakh are profound
and incredible truths -- truths contained in the usage of the first
six letters of the Hebrew alphabet. In particular, we find that
the fifth and sixth letters, Hay and Vav, contain a secret "code"
of rich significance and meaning. Let's explore these exciting
truths that relate to the mystery of YEHOVAH God, the Messi-
ah, creation, the purpose of human life, the redemption of man-
kind, and the END of this age! “



Maybe there is some confused reference to the GD study of what the letters signify in shemhamephoresh? That could be a ‘secret' GD teaching on the significance to Hebrew letters?

http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/leitch-shemhamephoresh.html



But of course some say the GD is all wrong anyway

http://www.psyche.com/psyche/tarot/RevivedTarot/traditionaltarot.html

Extract: “Hundreds of books have been written and countless authoritative statements have been made based on the fabrications of 19th century Englishmen who forged their credentials, played at being "magicians" and claimed to understand Hebrew tradition better than the Jews.

“ In an astonishingly successful act of intellectual and spiritual colonialism, the Order of the Golden Dawn "improved" on a millennia-old Hebrew tradition and discovered the "true" correspondences between the Hebrew letters and the astrological planets. The "supreme mystical insight" of the Golden Dawn, which surpassed ancient and classical tradition, both East and West, and was to have provided the "new light" for the coming age, went nowhere in the 20th Century.

… As someone sorta pointed out above.

 

[Zephyros]

Anyway, to get back to the topic (sorta) I have always thought the construction of Hebrew letters is based on the shape of flames in fire.

As an occult idea, it is quite intriguing. Something I read once about the word Yod was that it illustrated the construction of the dimensions. It starts off with the simple point, then the Vav that went down, then the Daled that expanded on that idea and went in two directions. The word basically illustrates the Supernals.

Even if the evidence is anecdotal, and the letters are not the product of a divine plan, they still supply much food for thought and meditation. Same thing with Gimatria. Any of the many calculators online show that any number can be any number of things, most unrelated to the occult, it is still interesting to contemplate sometimes.

Whatever the Golden Dawn did, it was an unprecedented success in packaging all these things in a structured, fascinating way, which is exactly why I am usually not too critical of it. Credit where credit is due, and a huge amount is indeed due.

However, I am always skeptical of the discoveries if "incredible truths."

 

[ravenest]

Uncredible 'truths' perhaps?

 

[Zephyros]

… As someone sorta pointed out above.

In defense of that someone who perhaps spoke rashly, for which he apologizes, I believe his intent was to infer that just because the GD considered something a secret, that does not mean it was or that no one else thought of those things over the millenia. The GD's sources are quite available to anyone who has the wherewithal to look for them, as many of them make the most obscure Hermetic texts seem like a child's letter book in comparison. For all its secrecy, the GD did more to democratize that knowledge than any other organization previously.

I have no problem with the "imaginary system" (as per the article) that so fascinates me. The qualms I do have, have to do with calling "ו" "vau" when it is properly "vav;" "ת" "tau" when it is properly "tav" and other such things. For the sake of convention, when discussing "GD Hebrew" I use its names, but they do give me a pause now and then.

 

[ravenest]

Aaaaa ! The GD needs a kick up its pompous colonial ignorant self-referential arse sometimes (as much as I love their work) e.g. their comments about the lack of spiritual wisdom and occult knowledge in the southern hemisphere

 

[Zephyros]

Aaaaa ! The GD needs a kick up its pompous colonial ignorant self-referential arse sometimes (as much as I love their work) e.g. their comments about the lack of spiritual wisdom and occult knowledge in the southern hemisphere

It is a bit too late for that, but again, that's fine. It is perfectly well to invent new things, and although the article made good and accurate points, I still found it too harsh, and that it missed one crucial point. This is that the GD's mistake was not in developing a new tradition, for which it should be applauded, but intimating that it was "true" or "right." This is the fallacy of ALL occultists, including the Kabbalists of old who maintained the letters were as divine as the six day creation. One cannot use double standards, it is ultimately all a hoax, it just depends how you us. It.

 

[Richard]

.........“ In an astonishingly successful act of intellectual and spiritual colonialism, the Order of the Golden Dawn "improved" on a millennia-old Hebrew tradition and discovered the "true" correspondences between the Hebrew letters and the astrological planets. The "supreme mystical insight" of the Golden Dawn, which surpassed ancient and classical tradition, both East and West, and was to have provided the "new light" for the coming age, went nowhere in the 20th Century.

… As someone sorta pointed out above.

What is the 'millennia-old Hebrew tradition' regarding the planetary attributions of the 7 double letters anyhow?

 

[Richard]

.....I have no problem with the "imaginary system" (as per the article) that so fascinates me. The qualms I do have, have to do with calling "ו" "vau" when it is properly "vav;" "ת" "tau" when it is properly "tav" and other such things. For the sake of convention, when discussing "GD Hebrew" I use its names, but they do give me a pause now and then.

I was taught Vav and Tav, but I kept seeing Vau and Tau, so I was starting to think that I had been taught wrong. I do know that Tau is the name of the Greek T. I'm slightly more familiar with classical Greek than Hebrew, but that ain't saying much.