Question about the osho zen...

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 04 Aug 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Mikael	04 Aug 2002
MM everybody, i have the osho zen now since a few weeks. i wonder something, i have been true alot of sites with the common explanations of the tarot cards from the rider waite (wich i think is the most common). i read a review on aeclectic wich said that de meanings from the osho cards are (almost) the same as the meanings of let's say the rider waite. i already went true some sites and searched for the meanings and i noticed that they are quiet the same as the meanings of the osho zen. i want to hear your appinion on this: do the cards of the osho zen have the same meaning of the cards of other tarot decks (for ones who don't know, osho zen is not a regular deck). it would be much easyer for me if i could study more sites witch expanations because than i won't have to stick to one source (the osho zen tarot book). i hope everyone onderstands my question. i'll be waiting. Bb, Mik

jema	04 Aug 2002
i find that the osho zen deck is quite different from the rider-waite deck. my suggestion is to read the deck on it's own terms. look at the images and read from what you see and feel is right for that specific card. read up on it in the osho book and then branch out to read about it in other books/sites. but start by giving it a chance to explain itself on it's own accord in it's own language. give it some time. i don't think you will find any quick solutions on the net or in any other books. so write your own. buy a blank book with at least 80 pages, write down a few keywords for each card and keep the book active. change in it, cross over, write new things, compare with other decks etc. while it is possile to fit the osho deck into the framework of let's say the rider deck - i doubt if it is really usefull to do so in this case. while the no-thingness could, if you stretch it a lot, be seen as the hierophant - i think you will lose something in the process. the osho is for me a very pleasant deck and reads very well and i hope you will have a lot of good times with your deck too!

Diana	04 Aug 2002
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Mikael	04 Aug 2002
MM Jema and Diana, i see what you mean. i think i just keep up reading in the osho zen tarot book. jema's idea of creating my own book is very good! i think i will buy one after studying the osho book some more. i have another question, i know osho is supposed to be for selfexploring wich is very good i think. i read that osho is not supposed for future readings. a while ago i read a where somebody said she did a past-present-future reading with the osho zen. is this possible?? Bb, Mik

jema	04 Aug 2002
hi mik, i think anything is possible. i have used this deck myself in readings for a client and it worked really well (she insisted on a celtic cross with the osho zen) i was a bit sceptic at first but then just relaxed and let the reading take it's own path. there are some spreads in the book you can use too! i haven't really tried them myself yet.

wavebreaker	04 Aug 2002
I too agree with jema and Diana: I don't think you should compare the Osho Zen to the Rider-Waite. As for your other question: I don't use the tarot to predict the future, I use it for advice. And I also use the Past-Present-Future reading, but again, not for prediction but for advice. When I use this spread, I don't see the Future as a set future that cannot be changed, but as something that will happen if I continue my current course. I hope this makes sense... ;)

Mikael	04 Aug 2002
MM, about the 'comparing'. i didn't mean: give the osho cards other meanigs. i ment: study other cards for better understanding of the osho cards. i wasn't going to give the osho cards the meanings of the RW. i just figured it would be better to study more than only the osho zen tarot book. tarotlady, i know that a past-present-future reading does give you insight in the future but not THE future. you can always changes things by changing your course. i know it was for advice but i only thought that you couldn't use this deck for future readings but just for selfinsight readings. Bb, Mik

Diana	04 Aug 2002
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Landon	04 Aug 2002
The Osho Zen gives me ideas about the future all the time. It seems to work very well, although it does not care about the time frame I ask about: I may ask a question about tomorrow and get a spread that deals with the next few months. As a newcomer to the Tarot, I find that the little I know about the Rider Waite deck does help with understanding this one. It does help to know that Past Lives here equates to the Moon in other decks or that "Clinging to the Past" relates to disappointment. This knowledge adds shades of meaning and a range of interpretation that would not be possible without it.

Mikael	04 Aug 2002
MM Landon, Quote: Originally posted by Landon As a newcomer to the Tarot, I find that the little I know about the Rider Waite deck does help with understanding this one. It does help to know that Past Lives here equates to the Moon in other decks or that "Clinging to the Past" relates to disappointment. This knowledge adds shades of meaning and a range of interpretation that would not be possible without it. that was what i ment! this is what i'm gonna do. after studying the osho zen tarot book i will go to sites/books to learn more about the original tarot cards (i really think that can help me to understand the osho better). after that or while that i will maybe start my own book as jema said. i will also start trying some future readings. i allready thought this could be possible. more reactions are welcome! Bb, Mik

Jewel	05 Aug 2002
If you search the past posts on this forum we had 1 or 2 extensive threads on this deck that you might want to read. For me personally, although non-traditional, the Osho has seemed like a different perspective on the traditional meanings as per the Raider Waite. It has been a completly different way in saying the same thing, but that is for me.

Mlle Lenormand	06 Aug 2002
I've just purchased the Osho Zen deck too. After looking at the cards I found a lot of comparisons to RW, however, I agree that these cards are better read for their own meanings. Personally, I find the deck good for confronting issues, not always a comfortable feeling, but sometimes a good slap in the face is what is needed in order to move on.

All Is One	06 Aug 2002
Mickael~ and all of you: I just got this deck along with a batch of others...it is a "heavy" deck... I'm jealous because I wish I had come to the O-Z fresh so that the Rider -Waite and other "traditional" decks were not even a reference point... As a huge fan of the Merlin (Noone ever mentions it...apparently it is even out of print...amazing!) as well as the Thoth I just wanted to admit that the O-Zen deck I put away as I read the book and work with, one by one, the more familiar symbols and feel of the other new decks I got...the Fantastical is just very "me"...I should have been a character on the Addams Family...Oh, wait...I am ~~~~ Morticia even looks like me (not really a good thing in the daylight) }) :SL }) I am getting too attached to the Giger deck- it works like greased lightning (or a pig on roller skates..) But the Haindl and the O-Zen and two others are on the reserved for a wiser point in my being-ness... Mikael; I congratulate you on your success with this complex deck so early on...thank you for sharing it with us- more? How did it go with the future and the O-Zen deck? I believe in what was said earlier - anythig is possible... and I think the decks want to be used in the most open, least traditional manner. I often play '52 pick-up' with a deck that I have gotten too serious over. If that does not translate...

All Is One	06 Aug 2002
Off to the back room to try the 52 pick up spread with the virgin Osho Zen How did I get so intimidated? Last deck to zap me like that was the Magickal Tarot and it is still a spell/ ritual/ do not play with me deck... But I did and it worked and we finally bonded. (6 yrs ago) As I said- off to break the barrier between me and the O-Z Send me kind thoughts and ???whatever you got... I trust this stuff that appears out of "no- where" ~a

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