Deck questions for 'the list'

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 08 Feb 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Marion	08 Feb 2003
I would like to update the list, and make some corrections, but I have questions. How many decks are there that are some version of “Universal”? Should I try and sort decks by sizes? Or would that just confuse the count? I have been leaving out all oracle decks listed. Would folks be interested in seeing those as well? How many Art Nouveau decks are there? I get the idea there is Matt Myers and a Lo Scarabeo deck but is there another? Is Baphomet, Gieger Baphomet and Balbi Baphomet the same deck? Is Tarot of Baseball and Baseball tarot the same thing or two different decks? What does Dead mean? Is there a Dead tarot? Is this an oracle? A joke? Celtic…. Arrrrggghhhh… there must be 5 or 6 variations on this. Are Cosmic tarot and Cosmic Tribe tarot the same deck or different decks? There definitely appear to be two Enchanted decks… could anyone who listed them go back and specify? Please, sniff Okay, Fairies (Luptelli), Fairy, Fairy Wicca and fairy tarots. All different? Karma cards (presumably and oracle) vs Karma Tarot (for real?) I have assumed that Peterson and Margarete Peterson are the same deck. Tell me if I am wrong. Marseilles… arrrggghhh One person wrote new Age which I recorded but am now wondering if it might have been Neuzeit. Is there a new Age tarot? Renaissance: three decks, right… Lo Scarabeo, Lyle and Williams. Tell me if I am wrong. Two Secret Tarots… Lo Scarabeo, and Lyle… right? Visconti, Visconti-Sforza, Visconti gold. One deck? Two decks? Three different decks? Vision vs Vision Quest?? Same deck or not? help....

Diana	08 Feb 2003
ROFLMAO!! :laugh: Marion, I'm not going to be much help here. But you have cheered me up no end! You're far better than any aspirin or cough medicine! I wish you the best of luck and hope you still have some hair left on your head once you've finished pulling at it!

wavebreaker	08 Feb 2003
Poor Marion!!! :laugh: Quote: Originally posted by Marion Are Cosmic tarot and Cosmic Tribe tarot the same deck or different decks? I know this one: the Cosmic and the Cosmic Tribe are definitely different decks!

Pollux	08 Feb 2003
*I have been leaving out all oracle decks listed. Would folks be interested in seeing those as well?* Yeah sure!!! Especially the God(des)s oriented ones! :D *Is Baphomet, Gieger Baphomet and Balbi Baphomet the same deck?* Baphomet and Gieger are, the other I have no idea actually never heard before of it. *Is Tarot of Baseball and Baseball tarot the same thing or two different decks?* Two different ones - and I will get both. :D *LOL* One has soft artwork, the other is a RW caricature. *What does Dead mean? Is there a Dead tarot? Is this an oracle? A joke?* Tarot of the Dead, in the list in Aaclectic as well. *Celtic…. Arrrrggghhhh… there must be 5 or 6 variations on this.* Never counted... *Are Cosmic tarot and Cosmic Tribe tarot the same deck or different decks?* You shouldn't be asking such questions! Where's the tarot-holic in you??? *LOL* *There definitely appear to be two Enchanted decks… could anyone who listed them go back and specify? Please, sniff* Truthsayer shall help. I believe it deals with sizes and images. *Okay, Fairies (Luptelli), Fairy, Fairy Wicca and fairy tarots. All different?* And add the Fae and Faerie-related Oracles (two at least) *Karma cards (presumably and oracle) vs Karma Tarot (for real?)* RIGHT. *I have assumed that Peterson and Margarete Peterson are the same deck. Tell me if I am wrong.* Maybe? *Marseilles… arrrggghhh* ROFLMAO The only ones that could help you are Jmd, Diana, catboxer and few others... *One person wrote new Age which I recorded but am now wondering if it might have been Neuzeit. Is there a new Age tarot?* I believe it's the same deck. *Renaissance: three decks, right… Lo Scarabeo, Lyle and Williams. Tell me if I am wrong.* Yep! *Two Secret Tarots… Lo Scarabeo, and Lyle… right?* Alleggedly... I have no idea? *Visconti, Visconti-Sforza, Visconti gold. One deck? Two decks? Three different decks?* I think it's even more than three actually... *Vision vs Vision Quest?? Same deck or not?* NOPE two decks. ;)

zorya	08 Feb 2003
marion, did i miss something? what is 'the list', and what is it for?

Lee	08 Feb 2003
The Lyle Renaissance and the Lyle Secret are the same deck, with a different title. I suggest you forget about different size versions of the same deck. One has to draw the line somewhere. :) My suggestion is to consider the Visconti as two decks; "Visconti" and "Visconti-Sforza" would be the USGames large-size reproduction, and "Visconti Gold" would be the Lo Scarabeo deck that's hot-stamped with gold. -- Lee

felicityk	08 Feb 2003
Quote: How many Art Nouveau decks are there? I get the idea there is Matt Myers and a Lo Scarabeo deck but is there another? These are the only two I know of. However, I have a related question about the Lo Scarabeo deck. The title on the box is "Tarot Art Nouveau", but the English title[1] on the title card is "Primavera Tarot". Why wasn't this title used on the box? If nothing else it would help distinguish it from Matt Myers' deck, and it seems odd to me that the English edition wouldn't use the English title! Felicity [1] I assume this is the English title based on the order of languages on the cards themselves. Italian is at the top, followed by English, French, German, and Spanish. "Tarot Art Nouveau" would in fact appear to be the German title.

truthsayer	08 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Marion How many decks are there that are some version of “Universal”? ****there's the lo scarabeo and the hanson roberts Should I try and sort decks by sizes? Or would that just confuse the count? ****doing size, too would prove too confusing. maybe like with the big and small thoth go by the different manufactorers like u.s. games and lo scarabeo**** I have been leaving out all oracle decks listed. Would folks be interested in seeing those as well?******i think it would be interesting****** How many Art Nouveau decks are there? I get the idea there is Matt Myers and a Lo Scarabeo deck but is there another?****the lo scarabeo AN and the matt myers**** Is Baphomet, Gieger Baphomet and Balbi Baphomet the same deck?******not a clue! LOL **** Is Tarot of Baseball and Baseball tarot the same thing or two different decks?***2 different**** What does Dead mean? Is there a Dead tarot? Is this an oracle? A joke?****there;s the tarot de muerte or the tarot of the dead or the dead tarot. one deck to my knowledge******* Celtic…. Arrrrggghhhh… there must be 5 or 6 variations on this.****LS celtic, celtic tarot by julian de burgh, celtic bycourtney davis, celtic wisdom by caitlin matthews,celtic book of the dead-caitlin matthew, celtic shaman by john matthews, celtic oracle, celtic dragon**** Are Cosmic tarot and Cosmic Tribe tarot the same deck or different decks?*****different There definitely appear to be two Enchanted decks… could anyone who listed them go back and specify? Please, sniff******i think there one by LS and the zerner farber****** Okay, Fairies (Luptelli), Fairy, Fairy Wicca and fairy tarots. All different?*******LS fey, LS fairy, fairy wicca, greg hoose fae, fairy oracle, fairy ring Karma cards (presumably and oracle) vs Karma Tarot (for real?)***i think it's just one****** I have assumed that Peterson and Margarete Peterson are the same deck. Tell me if I am wrong.******the same********** One person wrote new Age which I recorded but am now wondering if it might have been Neuzeit. Is there a new Age tarot?******the neuzit and the new age are the same Renaissance: three decks, right… Lo Scarabeo, Lyle and Williams. Tell me if I am wrong.***i think that's correct*** Two Secret Tarots… Lo Scarabeo, and Lyle… right?****i think so***** Visconti, Visconti-Sforza, Visconti gold. One deck? Two decks? Three different decks?****i think 3 different decks **** Vision vs Vision Quest?? Same deck or not?*******2 different decks****** any other questions? glad to help*********

Marion	08 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by zorya marion, did i miss something? what is 'the list', and what is it for? http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6714&perpage=10&pagenumber=25 I have compiled this list three times now... hehe... so, everyone is thinking "She doesn't have enough to do"

zorya	08 Feb 2003
hahahaha! i stopped going to THAT thread long ago! it was depressing me, lol. now that i've received some new decks for the winter solstice, maybe i'll have to post my pitifully short list and make even more work for you ;) please do include 'oracle' decks!

Khatruman	08 Feb 2003
ahh, marion... I never enjoyed clerking skills myself, gives me a headache just thinking of it... Anyway, to throw more into the mix: I have been updating my list of decks by editing my original post, not adding a new post with new acquisitions. I don't know if this helps or not. I guess it depends on whether you go back to the beginning or if you start from the post you left off at. Perhaps you could start a new thread where guidelines for posting our lists is standardized (i.e. specifying deck publishers alongside the actual deck, and asking for full names of decks rather than nicknames.) Your survey is wonderful, but I see it is getting to be a royal pain in the pattuti to you... Peace!

Lee	08 Feb 2003
There's a third Universal deck, the Universal Tarot by Maxwell Miller, a deck whose theme is world religions. -- Lee

jmd	08 Feb 2003
Your questions are difficult, as the choices you make do affect how things are perceived. For myself, I would prefer to see how many have, for example, a Visconti-type deck, rather than trying to sort through who has which type (Visconti-Sforza vs Visconti Gold), likewise for the Marseilles varieties - if someone has the Conver reproduction published by the Camoin House, or by LS, or by Héron, or has the Hadar, are all interesting details, but of greater significance is how many have a(ny) Marseilles! Likewise deck sizes - certainly they are different in one sense, as are, for that matter, the Swiss and the German prints of the large Crowley/Harris Thoth AGMüller decks. These, however, though very useful for cataloguing collections, is probably not as useful to get a sense for which seem popular decks... assuming, of course, this is part of the purpose of the list. I've probably thrown more spanners in the works than helped... :):):) ...but it has given me an idea for another poll-thread...

rostie	10 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Marion I would like to update the list, and make some corrections, but I have questions. Should I try and sort decks by sizes? Or would that just confuse the count? I have been leaving out all oracle decks listed. Would folks be interested in seeing those as well? Is Baphomet, Gieger Baphomet and Balbi Baphomet the same deck? help.... i wouldn't sort them by sizes, but i'm very interested in the oracle decks!!! i don't know if there exist a balbi baphomet tarot, but the 'balbi tarot' exist, mayby it's a mistyping/misunderstanding :) (balbi tarot: http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/balbi/index.html) and baphomet and giger tarot is the same (baphomet: tarot of the underworld = giger tarot) i hope you get out of this mess ;) with love.

Diana	10 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jmd (........) but of greater significance is how many have a(ny) Marseilles! If there are any tarotholics out there who don't have a Marseilles deck in their collection, then they are not real tarotholics. *Diana keeps a wary eye out for any fake tarotholics* :D Bet you didn't know I was a member of the T.I.A. (Tarot Intelligence Agency, for those who don't know - but of course, if you're a REAL tarotholic, then you also know what the T.I.A. is.)

Khatruman	10 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana If there are any tarotholics out there who don't have a Marseilles deck in their collection, then they are not real tarotholics. *Diana keeps a wary eye out for any fake tarotholics* :D ~Whips out my 20 year old Marseilles deck I bought when I was a plebe, but never reads with, holds it at shaky arm length~ Here here, Diana, h-h-here's my Marseilles!!! I am a true tarotholic, honest I am!! Don't take me in for interrogation!!! :D

Jewel	10 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana If there are any tarotholics out there who don't have a Marseilles deck in their collection, then they are not real tarotholics. ~giggles~ I have to disagree ... I do not own a Marseilles (almost did, but when it got here from France I sent it to Faunabay *LOL*) ... and I think my taroholic affliction is beyond contestation ~giggles madly~

felicityk	10 Feb 2003
Quote: If there are any tarotholics out there who don't have a Marseilles deck in their collection, then they are not real tarotholics. I guess I'm not a real tarotholic, then. I only buy decks I find attractive, and I think the Marseilles is U-G-L-Y! :) If I were to start buying decks for their historical significance (something I'm trying to avoid doing for the sake of my wallet), I would naturally want a Marseilles in my collection, but it would never be a deck I would enjoy looking at. Felicity -- My collection: http://home.attbi.com/~felicityk/tarot/

zorya	10 Feb 2003
diana, i don't really have enough decks to qualify as a collector so i hope you'll forgive me ;) each time i have the opportunity for a new deck, i tell myself that i need a marseilles.... but instead i keep falling for the 'italians' :D and pass by the french decks :laugh:

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