aquatic tarot

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 Apr 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

paradoxx	18 Apr 2003
http://www.atarot.de/AquaticTarot/ simply fantastic

felicityk	18 Apr 2003
This is certainly my favorite Waite-Smith "clone", and I'd probably buy it if it were an actual deck. Felicity

HOLMES	19 Apr 2003
the last time i sent an email,, it was 2002. date for last update,, i was asking if they were closing to getting it published, and telling how much i loved it and if i had the money i would published it on the spot sigh i so want this deck,, now checking to see if there is any news. .. can anyone interpate the german to see if there is any new news? *falls on grounds and begs unmanly like PLEASEEE*

Jen	08 Oct 2003
I love this deck. It's energy is so soft and flowing. Has anybody heard about it being published? I emailed the owner this morning, so I'll let you know if I hear anything back. p.s you can transate the website into English or any other language via Google. I did this, but didn't find any info on it being published.

Mimers	08 Oct 2003
Quote: Originally posted by HOLMES the last time i sent an email,, it was 2002. date for last update,, i was asking if they were closing to getting it published, and telling how much i loved it and if i had the money i would published it on the spot sigh i so want this deck,, now checking to see if there is any news. .. can anyone interpate the german to see if there is any new news? *falls on grounds and begs unmanly like PLEASEEE* Firemaiden where are you!?!?! Give her a few days to get her computer set up Holmes, and I am sure she will interperet for you. Or maybe Catlin? She is from Germany, no? I too would love to have this deck. Mimi

Cerulean	08 Oct 2003
http://www.divinationsystems.com/ And if you can load orphalese software on your system--it's one of the decks you can load in your system free. And if you pay $10.00, you can get more features and play and print readings, etc. http://www.orphalese.net/tarot/tarot.htm At least we can enjoy it until someone wakes up and prints this gorgeous deck. Mari H.

HOLMES	10 Oct 2003
i just recieve a response, in my email after all this time, and i didn't reconize it at first and i hit delete just after i read the subject heading. i have no just sent another email saying i accidently deleted their response and if they can send me another. oh please i hope i get another :O( *stops kicking himself long enough to whipe away a tear and commences the kicking again *

Mimers	11 Oct 2003
HOLMES, If you have aol, you can go into recently deleted mail and find it again! Do you have a thing to click that says recently deleted mail?

HOLMES	11 Oct 2003
Hi, please excuse my very very delayted reply. Thank you for your mail. It made me happy very much that the cards please you. > 1. the cards looked finished correct? I painted the last one (Four Of Wands) in December, 1999. > 2. any hope of agm, llewyen, us games, lo scarabo publishing it ? I' ve tried agm, but it seemed in such a way, that they attach importance to a certain publishing tradition - my deck didn't fit to that. I tried another local publisher here in Germany - without any resonance. Thus I am thinking indeed about a publishing by U.S. Games or Llewellyn. In the summer I downloaded their puplishing guidelines, up to now that were all my activities. The reason of my restraint is that I don't have any time for it because of my commitment to my family and my job - time really hardly remains. > 3. are you looking into self publishing it ? I ordered an offer from Carta Mundi, 2,000 pieces of a simple 4 color print in a paper case costs about $4,500. That is too expensive for me. And who is to sell all this? > Forgive my bad english as i am lacking a highschool diploma. I just Forgive my bad English too because I am usually speaking German day by day. > i am wondering in closing what area of the tarot you looking at now?, > applying watercolour to the toth?. Is there a book being written by you on > the aquatic tarot as to the vibrantancy of the colours ?. I already thought about that, but I planned no such activities in the near future. > 1. what inspirited you to apply such vibrant water colours to rider tarot ? Passion to paint in water colors. I love colors. The great Tarot interpretations of Pamela Colman Smith, she filled the Tarot with live, like a scenery. My enthusiasm for the Tarot. > 2. what is your favourite tarot. 1. Rider-Waite (the best known) 2. Thoth Tarot (great art work, deep symbolism) 3. Osho Zen Tarot (very emotional and great art work) > 3. the difficulties you have had in painting them in water colour Water color is an unusual medium for painting. It is very difficult to control it. The colors on the paper can be mixed and with more waters they can run into one another. In a water color painting you can see every creation process (and mistake) of the artist, it is not possible to over-paint one color with another, and there is no white color, the brightness comes from the translucent paper. When you paint and paint and paint you get ever an dark grey picture. > 4. are you now going to make your own tarot ? No time. Later. I've some ideas, perhaps they would look like color explosions :) Best regards, Andreas should we make a small petition and send it to llewyn , (i think llewlyn would make the risk , then again us game is into repainted smith images isn't it ?)

Jen	11 Oct 2003
I'm all for a petition Holmes. I can't imagine anyone not wanting to publish these cards. There's not another deck like it (the watercolors, that is).

Mimers	11 Oct 2003
I am sure emails from potential buyers might make them look at it. I couldn't hurt to email them with the link to the site and ask when someone is going to be smart enough to publish the deck.

Mimers	11 Oct 2003
Here is a link to the Lleweynne contact page with email links http://www.llewellyn.com/history/contact.php I sent them one as well as to US Games. http://www.usgamesinc.com/email_directory.cfm The more the merrier!

Emily	12 Oct 2003
I also think this is a very pretty version of the Rider Waite, and if published I would buy it. Maybe its the kind of deck Lo Scarabeo would be interested in too. Its very different to their other Rider Waite clone decks.

Sulis	12 Oct 2003
This is definately the nicest recolouring of the Rider Waite Smith deck (In my opinion). the only RWS I own is the pocket version by US Games but I would buy this one if it were published, it's beautiful. Love and light Sulis xx

HOLMES	14 Oct 2003
how about a poll,, (that should serve for a petition ) and we can print that out and send it to us games, agm and llewyen?

Mimers	22 Oct 2003
Well, I got a responce back from US Games, and apparently they have a copyright and patent on the Rider Waite deck, so only they can reprint versions of this deck. Here is a copy of the email from them. Quote: Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, although your rendition on Rider-Waite is lovely, we cannot market it in our product line. We have just come out with our own "new" version called Radiant Rider and this along with all our other versions of Rider-Waite make it impossible to consider another one at this time. I'm sure you realize the images are copyrighted and trademarked and, thus, cannot be published by any other company except U.S. Games Systems, Inc. They cannot be self published as well. Thank you. Bobbie Bensaid Copyrights & Permissions U.S. Games Systems, Inc. 179 Ludlow Street Stamford, CT 06902 203-353-8400 tel 203-353-8431 fax

baba-prague	22 Oct 2003
There has been some discussion recently in the "Creation Forum" on the copyright of the RWS. The position is not, in fact, all that clear, but in a way that may make things worse, not better, for a self-publisher, as it's hard to know exactly what the legal situation is in different countries. Maybe we should have some links to some of the known information on this "pinned" in the Creation Forum? I can't think of anything worse that creating a RWS-clone then being told you can't even self-publish it. So perhaps it would be useful to have the information to hand for people - then they could make an informed decision. By the way, personally I much prefer the Aquatic to the new US Games Radiant. It's so much softer and more personal-looking. I could imagine using it and finding its "hand-made" feeling really adding to a reading. I'm not sure I'd say the same about the Radiant - but that's just my twopence worth.

Jen	22 Oct 2003
I just heard back from the author of the Aquatic: ------------------------------------------------------ Hi, Thank you for your EMail. It made me happy very much that the cards please you. Unfortunately the cards are not yet available. I am looking up a publishing house. Please have some patience. Andreas --------------------------------------------------------- I sent an email to Llewellyn and all they did was send me back a link to there submission form page.

Cerulean	22 Oct 2003
than the artist has... But his original paintings could be modified by him electronically in the presentation so it is close, but NOT a direct copy. For the majors and courts, a close up of the figure done with an oval or diamond portrait framing effect...I'd love to see a round format with a scallop edging or printouts done in landscape mode and with an original border so that you don't lose the atmospheric washes. If you look at the Sharman Caselli Tarot or the Universal Tarot by DeAngelis or the 'clones' on Joan Cole's page, there are close versions that are NOT copies. I'm afraid though, it sounds as if the artist is very busy.

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