bosch tarot
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Jun 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| starnight |
06 Jun 2003 |
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What do you think about Bosch Tarot?Do you think it is a reading deck?
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| dolphingirl |
15 Aug 2003 |
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Ok a friend just gave me this deck and YIKES!!! I don't know if it is just me but this is the first deck I have ever seen which has made me queasy just looking at some of the images. Does anyone like this deck? Use this deck? Boy I can't believe that there are so many awsome decks out there that arent published but this one did :(
Thanks guys
Samantha
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| SongDeva |
18 Aug 2003 |
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This deck is actually on my wish list. I saw it at B&N a few years ago for the first time and thought it looked very interesting.
Talk about probing the subconscious...that's what this deck, or the few images I've seen from it, makes me think of.
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| Scorpion |
18 Aug 2003 |
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I've got it and I love it! And yes, I read with it, although I tend to save it for specific readings - it's a no-nonsense deck that'll take you to the heart of the matter instantly. Yet it can deliver difficult messages with surprisingly gentle humour - I think that's down to the quirkiness of the characters. At first I thought the LWB made no sense, as it consists of short sayings which seemed to be quite cumbersome translations, but now I've got used to it and I find it sheds invaluable light on the card meanings.
Definitely an indispensible deck in my collection.
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| Macavity |
18 Aug 2003 |
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I think the main keywords are indeed quite useful and match the cards. I sense the pithy sayings were translated "hurridly" from original Italian? They do have a certain Zen-like resonace? :)
9 of wands: "The Gendarme" - To learn to protect one's rear doesn't guarantee protection.
But, judging by the number of "sharps" around, it might wise? :laugh:
Macavity (almost a convert...)
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| truthsayer |
18 Aug 2003 |
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not to be disrespectful of bosch enthusiasts but for me the bosch is too bizarre. i think the creator had body issues just from studying his strange arrangements of human body parts. i can't relate to his ideas and find this deck way too disturbing. not that i have any room to criticize someone else's ideas about art or tarot for that matter... ;) :)
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| Le_Corsair |
19 Aug 2003 |
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be sure to thank Phillip II, King of Spain, who collected his works, many of which hang in the Prado to this day. Presumably when Phillip was suffering one of his gout attacks he could look at the paintings and see people in even more misery than himself. ;)
Bob :THERM
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| catlin |
19 Aug 2003 |
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I cannot help but the pictures of Bosch are somehow nightmarish to me. I still have it not in my collection.
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| WolfSpirit |
27 Aug 2003 |
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Originally posted by Le_Corsair
be sure to thank Phillip II, King of Spain, who collected his works, many of which hang in the Prado to this day
Ouch that bad Spanjard stole our cultural heritage })
Luckily Rembrandt wasn't around yet.
When I was a kid we had a painting by Bosch in one of our history books, I think it was the ship of fools, and found it so frightening ! Now when I look at the deck it does not seem too bad, i think I can take it better in small portions than one whole painting. I haven't seen the whole deck but what I saw I thought was funny as well in a dark way. It is a deck that does not instantly appeal to me but that does intrigue me. Sometimes I wonder whether Bosch was a genius or smelled too much of his own paint.
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| Scorpion |
27 Aug 2003 |
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Originally posted by WolfSpirit
Sometimes I wonder whether Bosch was a genius or smelled too much of his own paint.
Well, this should ring a bell with you WolfSpirit: "come on, you painter, you piper, you prisoner and SHINE!"
Louise
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| WolfSpirit |
27 Aug 2003 |
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Right !! :laugh: :laugh:
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| anjocoxo |
27 Aug 2003 |
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LOL
Actually, the bosch is on my wishlist, so if anyone wants to give it to me... :D
I know it's dark, weird, etc, but from what I've seen, I like it.
Can't wait to have it on my hands (one day...)
Anjo
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| Frater Neshama |
10 Sep 2003 |
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I do have it; I've had it for a few years now. I like it quite a bit. I mostly use it for personal readings, because I'm not sure how others would take it (judging by the responses in this thread, I was wise to listen to my instincts).
My favorites are still, The Golden Dawn Magickal Deck, the Templar Deck, and the Thoth Deck (by Crowley and Harris).
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| Sherra |
23 Nov 2003 |
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I love this deck, even though it wasn't on the top of my wish list. I don't like the packaging (I don't like the back design either), but I'm very intrigued by the surreal images. It looks like another world, yet it is a world of our subconcious where everything is grotesque.
I don't like the lwb in it, though.
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| Centaur |
10 Apr 2004 |
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I thought I would bump this thread. I was looking at some scans of this deck and I thought that it looked very interesting.
Bosch Tarot
Anyone else care to share their opinions of this deck?
***Edited to add: More Pics
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| Le_Corsair |
10 Apr 2004 |
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I bought it as an art deck and not a serious reading deck. I'll probably do the same with the Bruegel Tarot.
The original collector of Bosch paintings was Phillip II of Spain, the gloomy son of Charles V and husband of England's Queen Mary. The Bosch paintings Phillip collected can be seen in the Prado in Madrid.
There are some interesting and painful takes on some of the cards, to say the least. :joke:
Bob :THERM
edited to add an s to the word painting in paragraph 2.
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| Centaur |
10 Apr 2004 |
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Originally posted by Le_Corsair
There are some interesting and painful takes on some of the cards, to say the least. :joke:
LOL. I was thinking that.
What on earth is going on in the Ten of Pentacles? Mwahaha.
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| lionette |
10 Apr 2004 |
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The deck looks really interesting.
At least not all the images are as gruesome as I expected from Bosch!
That 7Cups is really playful!
Does anyone know if all the images are taken from Bosch's own art, or have some been created by someone else in his style?
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| Macavity |
10 Apr 2004 |
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I always imagine some (many?) of the images were "reworked" from The Garden of Earthly Delights. This image is big and blurry, but e.g. I didn't know until now that the original was in THREE bits! There are a lot of other (clearer!) images on the net, so it might be quite fun to try to find where the individual cards were drawn from... :D
Macavity
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| Osher |
10 Apr 2004 |
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The problem with this forum is that decks you bought and then half-forgotten about get mentioned, and then you feel obligated to try and find them. The Rohrig, the Secret, and now the Bosch. Is someone trying to hint something to me? ;)
Ah well! I can't say I've used my Bosch much, but I guess I'll have to read with it sometime now!
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| Centaur |
10 Apr 2004 |
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Ooooo... some very interesting links have been posted so far!!! I have to say that I just love this deck. But then, I am drawn to dark imagery.
Macavity, thanks for the link to the Garden! More debauchery for me to view! Haha. ;)
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| WolfyJames |
11 Apr 2004 |
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The art in the deck is not from Bosh but painted by Atanassov, recreating Bosh's art. I think he/she did a great work on this deck.
As for the Ten of Pentacle, the image is strikingly similar to the Ten Of Pentacles of the Sola-Busca (the Ancient Enlightement Tarot), a deck done in the 15th century. The Sola-Busca contains disturbing art like the Bosh, but on the card, it is a cherub who holds in his hand the tenth coins. My guess is that for many, excrement means gold (check dictionary of symbols), so when Atanassov made the deck, he included the excrement=gold symbol by making the last coin coming out from the character's anus.
I remember reading in the LWB that the Bosch Tarot was based on fear, and I saw many cards indeed filling that. On the Ace of Cups, the character wears an armur, so I view that as someone who fears love, to love and to be loved; in the LWB it says "Frailty; the fear of perceiving, of feeling, of loving should not give us cause tu defend ourselves". On the Ten of Pentacles, the box contains nine coins and is full, but the character makes a tenth coins because he fears it won't be enough, that his fortune is not enough; by the way, this card is called avarice, in the LWB.
I haven't studied the deck carefully, card by card, but I would like that to do it some times, because I like this deck and I would like to use it.
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| Centaur |
13 Apr 2004 |
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Originally posted by WolfyJames
I remember reading in the LWB that the Bosch Tarot was based on fear, and I saw many cards indeed filling that. On the Ace of Cups, the character wears an armur, so I view that as someone who fears love, to love and to be loved; in the LWB it says "Frailty; the fear of perceiving, of feeling, of loving should not give us cause tu defend ourselves". On the Ten of Pentacles, the box contains nine coins and is full, but the character makes a tenth coins because he fears it won't be enough, that his fortune is not enough; by the way, this card is called avarice, in the LWB.
Very interesting. I really want this deck. It strikes me as quite different from the usual.
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