New Marseilles deck/book set
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 28 Jul 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Trogon |
28 Jul 2003 |
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No no!!! Stop tempting me into the clutches of the dreaded Marseilles Tarot!!!!! AARRGGGHHH!!!!
I like my RWS decks...
I like my RWS decks....
I am a loyal Rider-Waiter (er... so to speak)
I hear the siren song of the Marseilles... calling my poor little RWS raft to destruction on the rocks of the Unillustrated Pips....
Pfui... something else to spend my money on... oh well, my wife doesn't really need those prescriptions... right?
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| Lee |
28 Jul 2003 |
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But this one's cheap! List price only $12.98, and only $10.38 at Amazon. What a deal! Who could resist?
-- Lee :)
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| Woof |
28 Jul 2003 |
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Any one know anything about Jane Lyle's work. What can we expect from the book? If she has a decent reputation I'd pick it up!
Woof
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| Lee |
28 Jul 2003 |
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Jane Lyle was the author of the deck/book set Renaissance Tarot, which was renamed Secret Tarot, and also of the Fortune-Teller's Deck, which is a playing card deck. She's also written some books on Tarot.
-- Lee
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| Cerulean |
30 Jul 2003 |
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http://www.thunderbaybooks.com/detail.asp?ISBN=1592231381
I checked again and it's the 1760, I believe Convers. I don't know if its the Lo Scarabeo, French or American/English reprint.
At least we know it is a 78 card set and it comes with something else...but which Marseilles? Inquiring minds want to know!!
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By the way, the Lovers Tarot as a majors only deck is one that I've always return to with some delight.
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I like her Secrets/Renaissance set as a modern Gumby meets tarot expert. Unfortunate the card stock is so flimsy.
Seriously, it's a pleasant deck, distinctive for the metallic clay or plate modeling. If you told me it was a tribute to Renaissance art, I'd say...hmmm. Maybe a literate craftsperson paying tribute to the Renaissance past, who was doing church doors or decorating cabinetry? The Esmeralda Tarot has high-relief modelling with an Egyptian theme (tarotgarden.com) and is the only one that comes slightly close to this style.
My opinions only--you might have very different take on the decks and books above.
Mari H.
Mari H.
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| Minderwiz |
31 Jul 2003 |
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Originally posted by Lee
But this one's cheap! List price only $12.98, and only $10.38 at Amazon. What a deal! Who could resist?
-- Lee :)
Don't say things like that - I will have to seek mutual wallet support with Trogon (I'm already repeating his RWS mantra :) )
There must be a catch somewhere, perhaps that's the price per card ?
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| Cerulean |
11 Jan 2004 |
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I waited on this, as I have a Lo Scarabeo Convers...however this printing is larger, somewhat crisper in many cards and while larger (same size as my Jane Lyle's 78 card version of the Lovers Tarot--but a quarter of an inch longer than U.S. Game's Rider Waite and an eighth of an inch wider)
http://www.tarotpassages.com/TarotSet-mf.htm
The faces on the World and Devil has smudged eyes...somehow it isn't too distracting, less distracting than some of the odd things I come across in my Lo Scarabeo version--although I sometimes don't mind reading with the imperfect older decks for a different take sometimes.
The book gives me some interesting insights, but doesn't describe the flora and fauna of the pip cards in the detailed way that I've heard from some people who have read French authors.
But it's nice to have an old-feel deck that is different from my beautiful engraved Italian sets..I am a little surprised when I look at some of the Rider Waite examples in the book. I think there's another post that notes a flimsyness to the card stock...but I actually found the cards rather smooth, not hard to layout and handle.. oh well, I seem to be pleased overall for it's price of about thirteen dollars to get a nice book, old deck reproduction and pretty lavendar layout cloth. The card backs are white and blue stencil and there's an airy, even kind of gentle nostalgia feeling when I see this deck.
I had a somewhat larger cotton velveteen bag in dark green with a floral motif, kind of like an old shawl...and it seems like a nice fit...kind of a grandmother deck!
Mari H.
Mari H.
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| Diana |
12 Jan 2004 |
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This must be the book which null recently spoke of, and said that the book has "RWS meanings tacked onto every card, but also images and descriptions of Waite cards". An example given is "On the magician's table, there is a cup, pentacle, sword and wand."
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| Gerbear |
12 Jan 2004 |
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I just received this set last week. The package is about the size of the Tarot of Prague, with a purple reading cloth, the deck and book inside. According to the review by Mark Filipas, the deck seems to be a reproduction of the Camoin Bicentennial deck. as opposed to the Convers. The production is first rate and I think it is a great introduction to the Marseilles side of Tarot.
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| Cerulean |
12 Jan 2004 |
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Gerbear, you are right, that explains the nice differences.
For the price, it's nice to get a Camoin reproduction. And since it is different from the other Tarot de Marseilles reprints that I have, I've been enjoying the differences.
Off to search the forum and net notes on Camoin reproductions...
Mari H.
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| null |
12 Jan 2004 |
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Originally posted by Diana
This must be the book which null recently spoke of, and said that the book has "RWS meanings tacked onto every card, but also images and descriptions of Waite cards". An example given is "On the magician's table, there is a cup, pentacle, sword and wand."
Yes, that was me. :D It was this thread that informed me of the then up-and-coming set. I was extremely hopeful about the book, as I don't have any books in English that focus on Marseilles decks. To me the book is no better than any of the countless RWS-based books that are everywhere. Justice is 11 in this book, strength 8. The section on "myth and symbols" regarding the chariot speaks of "two creatures, one black, one white" ... "usually said to symbolize night and day". And see also the above quote about the "magician". These are obviously RWS references. They apparently don't bother many people, but I feel they don't belong in a book which is part of a set that includes a Marseilles deck. Regarding the deck itself, it is very nice to look at, but I feel that it has a "cheap" feel to it, IE, the cards seem almost like punch-outs. The deck was worth the money (very inexpensive), but the book is a disappointment.
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| Diana |
12 Jan 2004 |
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Originally posted by null
Justice is 11 in this book, strength 8
You've got to be kidding. *Diana faints* (anyone got smelling salts?) Does it also talk of pain and anguish for the 10 of Swords?
Do you want to sell me the book (cheap?) I think I would like to see it after all.
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| Gerbear |
12 Jan 2004 |
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The cards are Justice at VIII, and Strength at XI. The book has them listed in reverse, but pictured correctly. It also has the Waite card pictured and a discussion of the controversy over VIII versus XI for the two cards. It must be aimed at the RWS market, trying to make the transition to the Marseilles easier. The cards in my set don't resemble punch outs, in fact they are reasonably firm. They are not of a heavy stock, but should last. For $12.98, it is still a bargain. If anyone is somehow confused by the book's attempt to present both sides, there are many other books to supplement the cards - which ARE correct.
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| null |
12 Jan 2004 |
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Originally posted by Diana
You've got to be kidding. *Diana faints* (anyone got smelling salts?) Does it also talk of pain and anguish for the 10 of Swords?
Ah, the 10 of swords! Behold: "Keywords: The only way is up." ... "Traditionally the card of ruin and betrayal, the ten of swords is often interpreted as the most doom-laden card in a disruptive suit, but it does have some redeeming features. ..."
:(
If you're really serious, you're more than welcome to the book for the cost of shipping.
Gerbear: I never said the cards were incorrect, I said the book has Justice as 11, Strength 8. The only thing I don't like about the deck is the quality --- my Lo Scarabeo and Grimaud decks are made of much better quality cardstock.
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| Diana |
12 Jan 2004 |
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What is the point of using a Marseilles deck with Rider Waite meanings?
If it is correct that the RWS meanings have been tacked onto the interpretation of the cards, I don't call this a transition from a RWS to a Marseilles. It just shows the author's lack of knowledge of the Marseille. If one is not prepared to study the Marseille, one shouldn't write books about it just because there is a handy little empty niche in the market. It's just not ethical. There are people out there who may even believe what's written in that book.
null: I will PM you about the book. I think I need it on my bookshelf.
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| Gerbear |
12 Jan 2004 |
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No one of reasonable intellect will be have their beliefs swayed by just one source of information, on any subject. No harm done there.
There are people who have built as strong of an ' RWS wall' around their minds, as those behind the Marseilles. Why not have a conduit between them? The 'purity' of the Marseilles isn't sacrosanct.
The concepts behind the Tarot, predate their attachment to a European card game, by many, many centuries. Tarot is more than a study of history, it's a path to personal discovery and developement, or at least it should be, in my opinion. Tarot isn't Marseilles, RWS, Thoth, or any other one system, but more than the sum of its parts, and richer for it. I think there is value to studying every facet of the field, after all, learning is about opening up the mind, indoctrination is about closing it in.
And remember, disagreement can be a learning experience itself.
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| Diana |
12 Jan 2004 |
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Originally posted by Gerbear
The 'purity' of the Marseilles isn't sacrosanct.
If we take sacrosant as meaning "most sacred", well to me it is. (Although the word "sacred" has different meanings attached to it, as does sacrosant. I don't mean sacred in the sense that I worship it and make sacrifices to it every morning. :laugh: )
But that's just me.
You make some good points.... and, in the long run, this may decide some people to study the Marseille in its own right. Even if they continue enjoying and even preferring their other decks.
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| Diana |
17 Mar 2004 |
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I have just received this book, which null kindly sent to me.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Tarot of Marseille. Where on earth (apart from the picture on the cover) does anyone get this idea from?
It is based purely on the Rider Waite definitions, and Rider Waite images themselves. Strength is 8, and Justice is 11 - impossible in a Marseille deck. I have checked about 30 different meanings, and they are all meanings which one can find in other books written by people on the Rider Waite deck (many of whom have just copied other people's meanings anyway).
The first thing I checked were the 9 and 10 of Swords.... there is no doubt there that these are Rider Waite definitions.
The Fool is numbered zero - not Marseille at all. The Magician is defined as a witch, a shaman or a wizard. There again, that is Rider Waite and Crowley stuff. The Bateleur in the Tarot of Marseille is someone completely different.
I think this is probably an excellent book for a student of the Rider Waite deck and it is written in a most pleasant way, extremely readable and logical.
I don't think Jane Lyle meant to write a book on the Marseille. If she had, she would not have based herself on the Rider Waite. She is an intelligent woman, no?
There must be some misunderstanding somewhere along the way - between her and the publishers. Or else it is once again Tarot being used purely for money-making.
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| crystal cove |
17 Mar 2004 |
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I'm glad I happened on this thread! I remember seeing it a few months ago, making a mental note to order it, but I forgot.
To me, getting a copy of the Camoin Bicentennial alone is worth the 13 dollars. I don't need a book so I really don't care about it. However, I can appreciate the frustration of buying a book that is supposed to be about Marseille decks and have them use RW meanings. I made that mistake once and will never make it again. ;)
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| lunakasha |
17 Mar 2004 |
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How disappointing!
I saw this thread and felt a little flutter of excitement at the idea of an actual book being written on how to work with the Marseille. But it sounds as though this is merely a case of *false advertisement*, or as someone pointed out, someone trying to make a buck by cashing in on a resurgence of interest in the Marseille.....
I really wish that someone with a thorough knowledge of Marseille and commitment to sharing that knowledge would sit down and write this book that so many of us are craving....
Diana??? Have you ever considered writing such a book?
:) Luna
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| Moongold |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Originally posted by lunakasha
Diana??? Have you ever considered writing such a book?
I support this suggestion, Diana. You could do it in a really creative way - meditations on each card - some examples of readings and so on.
It doesn't have to be extensive. Just simple and clear with your real love for the Marseilles evident. It is this feeling that gets people interested.
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| Diana |
17 Mar 2004 |
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I don't know how to write. :(
And I lack the time (nice excuse, huh?)
I've wanted to write a book for a long time on the Marseille. And then I realise how little I know, and that all I think I know is just a lot of hot air.
The idea is daunting. The Tarot of Marseille deserves the best. And the best is certainly not me. I am not a scholar. I have no "education". All the people who have written great books on the Tarot of Marseille are people who have studied philosophy, history, esoterics, etc... They have analytical minds.
And when I compare myself to them, I feel very stupid. :(
Even as co-moderator of the Historical forum, there are threads there that go above my head.
All I have is my deep love and respect for it.
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| spoonbender |
17 Mar 2004 |
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*Spoonbender comes hurrying in...*
Diana, you should write a book! (Fantastic idea, lunakasha!) I've read a fair amount of posts you wrote and if anything has become apparent, it is that you *can* write! And, Diana, I think you have a great understanding of the cards! (Only real excuse you have is the lack of time!)
And when I compare myself to them, I feel very stupid. ... All I have is my deep love and respect for it.
Oh boy, you're even humble! You see, you have all the right things to write a book :D.
Warm regards,
Spoonbender
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| lunakasha |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Diana:
OK....I can appreciate your not feeling *qualified* to write a historical/philosophical book on the Marseille, but.....
please don't try to tell us that you "can't write"......you are obviously a very articulate writer who admittedly has an incredible love and passion for the Marseille....
Why not consider writing a more user-friendly guide to the Marseille, as opposed to one of those dry, heavily-researched versions that have been done ad nauseum--and in French! ;) ?
On a more personal--OK, selfish--level, what I am looking for is a book that would help me, as a beginner, to learn the *basics* on how to read with the Marseille....with an emphasis on reading non-illustrated pips. BUT, I would like this book to focus more on numerological systems, color/suit interpretations, etc., rather than comparing RW meanings with non-RW (apples and onions, right???)
OK....I think I've made my point!
So....Diana....what say you??? ;)
:) Luna
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| Jewel-ry |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Excellent idea Diana!
(I think we may have discussed this before :D)
You should do it! You know you can. Go on .... go on .... go on...
There is definately a demand for one.
Pleeeaaaassssseeeee
J :)
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| Moongold |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Diana,
I sincerely support what luna and spoonbender have said.
One of the deterrents to ordinary people in non-European countries using the Marseilles is the perception that you have to be an academic, philosopher, historian to understand it.
Sure, some knowledge of history and philosophy might help but a simple understanding of symbolism and elementary numerology would be enough to set a beginner on the way. The best way to learn this is to see it in practice. I have seen readings you have done with the Marseilles and you clearly have the gift of explaining these things in practice.
Seeing love of the images, meditations on the cards, readings in practice by someone who clearly loves the deck would be attractive and useful to a new person.
As Mari has said (below this post) it is what comes from the heart that counts.
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| Cerulean |
17 Mar 2004 |
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A great start is you know the book not to write--this is such a beautiful deck, I wish there was an appropriate English language book on the Marseilles.
When people say 'write what you know' and if you know best from the heart, that that's the best perspective. Start there if you like this-passion is impossible to mimic and I enjoy heartfelt writing when I know where people are coming from.
For instance, your deep love of the Marseilles is stirring, profound. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe people write threads now more respectfully to these woodblock designs not only because of the analytical writings, but because they feel the love from you and others for these designs.
So you've already started by sharing the love, as that is what you know. And if you are glad to learn other things along the way and share, people respond quite sincerely to this, I believe.
I think Leah Samuls (sp) wrote a very beautiful companion to the Hudes from her own perspective and moved forward from there.
I just have not seen any English language book do justice to the Grimaud designs. If I could take a few dozen peeks into your mental journal as you look at one of the majors, I bet I would see startling and poetic parallels.
I'd love to see a book suggesting some design pointers to what to look for in the majors--for instance, the Emporer in profile, white beard, legs crossed, leaning on a cube, notes like this...maybe some of the things from what I see in the Italian designs would echo, maybe not--the French evolved their own iconography. And how about adding into the notebook about 4 to 12 spreads you favor, appropriate to the season or month? Eventually this tarot notebook might be a book for others.
How about starting a notebook that eventually might become a stylish interactive Marseilles Journal? I don't know if any of these ideas appeals to you, but it I was thinking of how to do this for myself...only not with French designs. I was curious about the Italian-French-other design crossovers and poetic literature
Anyway, best of wishes for whatever you come up with, also. I always look forward to your posts.
Mari Hoshizaki
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| Moonbow* |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Not puting you under any pressure or anything!!!!
But yes, we want a book and yes, you could do one. You spend alot of time and effort joining in everyones posts here, you write beautifully, you know you do. You aren't afraid to speak your mind and you are very clever with words. Apart from that you have a love afair with marseilles decks- you are passionate about them. Go on Diana. We have faith and belief in you. AND we need a marseilles book.
Moonbow*
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| lunakasha |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Originally posted by Moonbow*
Not puting you under any pressure or anything!!!!
But yes, we want a book and yes, you could do one. You spend alot of time and effort joining in everyones posts here, you write beautifully, you know you do. You aren't afraid to speak your mind and you are very clever with words. Apart from that you have a love afair with marseilles decks- you are passionate about them. Go on Diana. We have faith and belief in you. AND we need a marseilles book.
Moonbow*
Here here!!!!
We definitely NEED a Marseilles book...something that would help those of us with a real desire to learn more about these mysterious cards...specifically, how to read with them. Perhaps if there were more information out there, geared toward beginners, those people might look beyond the "cover" (ie the basic colors and woodcut design) and finally appreciate why so many people love the Marseille....
:) Luna
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| Diana |
17 Mar 2004 |
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I understand the need for a book in the English language. It is becoming urgent.
Your words of encouragement are most heartening. The title of the book is obvious to me... and I think I could take it from there.
I will think about it, and see if I can set aside regular time to work on it. I have many other commitments (don't we all) and seem to be taking on more and more, so one more should not be a problem.
This is not a promise, because that would be foolish of me. But your encouragement is being taken very seriously.
Thank you. :)
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| Jewel-ry |
17 Mar 2004 |
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Yeah !!
Go Diana!!
Hey everyone,
She's thinking about it. Thats a good start.
J :)
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| Cerulean |
17 Mar 2004 |
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The very good fans aren't going anywhere. The Marseilles will be the same magical deck it always was and Aeclectic fans sometimes can keep a post open for two years running and revisiting the same question.
So breathe, take your time and if your wisdom well needs to distill, who are we to do much less than encourage and cheer as we wait? When the Marseilles deck decides to cheerfully spill forth, even if the names of those waiting change a bit, the need and waiting audience will be there.
Glad you are encouraged and please take your time.
Mari H.
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| jmd |
18 Mar 2004 |
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For the little my added voice is worth, I also sense it would be fantastic if you were to take on that wonderful task...
...to gift the world with that much needed book!!!
Looking forward to its completion :)
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| crystal cove |
18 Mar 2004 |
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Originally posted by Diana
I understand the need for a book in the English language. It is becoming urgent.
Your words of encouragement are most heartening. The title of the book is obvious to me... and I think I could take it from there.
I will think about it, and see if I can set aside regular time to work on it. I have many other commitments (don't we all) and seem to be taking on more and more, so one more should not be a problem.
This is not a promise, because that would be foolish of me. But your encouragement is being taken very seriously.
Thank you. :)
I'm glad you're considering it, Diana. I think you'd do the project justice.
BTW, not all professional writers are "writers", either. ;) That's why they all have editors. The important thing is to get the ideas down on paper. :)
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| lunakasha |
18 Mar 2004 |
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That sounds wonderful, Diana!
As someone else mentioned, take your time....we can be patient! Meanwhile, you know that you have a network of people here to support you through the process...so if you want to get input from us, don't hesitate to ask. I am sure you will create something very special, a book that will be appreciated by scholars of the Marseille as well as those who have only recently discovered her beauty....
:) Luna
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| Rusty Neon |
18 Mar 2004 |
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Diana ... You should go for it! With the increasing interest in things tarot, there's probably a market for a Marseilles all-78-cards book in English. Everytime I read your insights into the pips and courts, I learn and experience something new about the Marseilles deck. You have a fun and interesting way of looking into the cards.
On a related note, it would also be nice to see some of the French books never translated into English, e.g., Paul Marteau's book and Sédillot's _Ombres_ book, finally translated and published in English. If Banzhaf's books and Ziegler's books in German on the Thoth deck can be translated into English, I can't see why various Marseilles books in French can't be translated.
P.S. - As an example, it would be a good to see a book such as Diana's as part of the Llewellyn advanced series of tarot books. The reason I say this is that, unfortunately in English-speaking countries, the really is that, unless the Marseilles becomes more mainstream in English, the best market for a Marseilles book in English is among tarotists who have already had exposure to a RWS-type deck and are looking for new and/or deeper insights into tarot, rather than people who have never used any kind of tarot deck before. There is a vicious circle in a way -- The Marseilles deck can't become more mainstream in English until there are books in English that cover its major and minor arcana in a meaningful way. The exception is Aeclectic Tarot, where discussions signficantly fill in the void that exists because of the absence of books.
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| Rusty Neon |
04 Jul 2004 |
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I was just given a partial deck that appears to be the deck in the Lyle Tarot Set. (I got the cards in loose form, nothing else.) The images are crisper, cleaner and brighter than I had imagined they would be, especially since they are a photoreproduction of a specimen of a Camoin Bicentennial deck printed off the 1760 Conver plates (circa 1880 colours) in 1960 - crisp, clean and bright enough that I am confident enough to order the Lyle Tarot Set when amazon.ca begins to carry it in the near future and that I may not need to order the 1960 deck from the Camoin site. The Tarot Set cardstock is thinner and less laminated than US Games and LoScarabeo decks, so careful use is the order of the day with this deck.
One thing I'm wondering about though is that in his review, Mark Filipas, mentions that some of the linework was retouched by the publisher and that such retouching was evident. I wonder which cards had the lines retouched by the publisher. I haven't noticed it among the cards that I have in my partial set, but I can imagine that it could be distracting if the retouching was poorly done and evident.
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| crystal cove |
05 Jul 2004 |
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Originally posted by Rusty Neon
One thing I'm wondering about though is that in his review, Mark Filipas, mentions that some of the linework was retouched by the publisher and that such retouching was evident. I wonder which cards had the lines retouched by the publisher. I haven't noticed it among the cards that I have in my partial set, but I can imagine that it could be distracting if the retouching was poorly done and evident.
Let me say that I'm no expert on retouching, but IMO, some of it in this deck really was poorly done.
To me, the worst of the retouching is in the borders. You can tell that some of the lines were gone over with a pen/marker that was considerably thicker than the original and you can see the stroke marks. Very sloppily done. The 3 of Swords, 8 of Wands and Knight of Cups are probably the worst, but almost every card has visible retouching on the borders and a few look like they've had none at all. Again, lack of consistency makes little things more noticeable.
There is considerable retouching on the tips of the wands and swords, and also the black portions of the coins, as evidenced by the different color of ink that looks almost blue.
The faces of Temperance, Devil, Lovers, Page of Swords look strange with the poor Queen of Batons really getting the short end of the stick. I'm thinking that one was done during Happy Hour.
I'll leave it at that. I really am glad the set was only 12 dollars. :)
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| Rusty Neon |
05 Jul 2004 |
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Thanks twenty-one ... I'll check out your comments when looking at the partial deck I have. I'm planning to get the Lyle Tarot Set mostly because I want it for a reference to compare against the Grimaud/Marteau TdM deck colours.
I wonder whether this retouching was done by Lyle's publisher or whether it was done by Camoin itself in 1960 when publishing the Camoin Bicentennnial deck. Hmm ... Anyone see any such retouching in the actual Camoin Bicentennial deck from Camoin? Thanks for any comments!
Maybe I should be getting the actual Camoin Bicentennial deck itself.
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| tmgrl2 |
05 Jul 2004 |
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Originally posted by Diana
You've got to be kidding. *Diana faints* (anyone got smelling salts?) Does it also talk of pain and anguish for the 10 of Swords?
Do you want to sell me the book (cheap?) I think I would like to see it after all.
Good. Diana, you can read it and let the rest of the TdMaholics know if we should get it.
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| tmgrl2 |
05 Jul 2004 |
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tmgrl ...grinning..she posted before finishing the thread because she was so upset about the possible RW interpretations....
Now I can thank you for sharing what you read, Diana...
terri
It is frustrating, though, for non-French speaking Tarot readers who are anxious to delve into some literature that we don't have a good guide in English. Even Silvie Simon, while she pictures mostly Grimaud cards, has many RW definitions for the minors.
Some of it is good, but not as good as Klea, Jodorowsky and Sedillot...all French, alas!
It's a big project, Diana. Of course, you CAN as in ARE ABLE to do a very commendable writing of a book in English. Knowing you, you would agonize over every bit of it being..."just so." As would anyone who loves the Tarot de Marseille. But we really have nothing in English other than AT discussions and translations.
terri
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| crystal cove |
05 Jul 2004 |
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I think the colors are actually quite good. It just seems to be the black areas that were retouched. For me, personally, it's not a deal breaker. I just wanted to be specific so you had all the information.
I was wondering about the retouching as well. Something tells me that the source is a little of both. It's clear to look at them that some are older and more faded than others. Plus, with many of the border touch-ups, there are breaks in them. I would assume if all the touch ups were new the breaks wouldn't be there. With some of the facial retouching, I had the impression that they had been touched once too often! LOL
I've never seen a Bicentennial deck. I'd love to compare with what I have.
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