Favorite Marseilles deck

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 19 Dec 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Lee	19 Dec 2003
I'm following Bob's suggestion for this poll. Deciding which decks to include will always be somewhat subjective. I've decided to limit it to 78-card, easily-obtainable, commercially available decks which adhere closely to the Marseilles pattern for both trumps and pips; in other words, no 22-card decks, no limited editions. But I've included the Tarot Classic deck, a variant, because of its easy availability and popularity. I'm sure I've forgotten some, so if anyone has any other suggestions, I'll be glad to add them as long as they're 78 cards and easily obtainable. I've checked the option to allow members to vote for more than one choice. -- Lee EDITED TO ADD: I just discovered I can't edit the poll, only moderators can do that. So hopefully there won't be too many suggested additions, because for each one I need to PM the moderators and ask them to do it for me. :)

Dark_angel	19 Dec 2003
My vote's for the Fournier - I think it's probably the prettiest of the decks you have up there, and I'm a sucker for a pretty deck. I don't use a Marseilles deck though, so I'm basing this purely on my attractions to various decks listed.

spoonbender	19 Dec 2003
I voted for the Hadar and the Conver. The only Marseille Deck I own so far is the Hadar, and I absolutely love it -- I think it's very beautiful - the art, the use of colour, the backs - and I'm glad that it doesn't include too many strange changes, like the Camoin does... Though I don't own it, I think the Conver is beautiful too, I really like that ancient look!...

WolfyJames	19 Dec 2003
I warn you right away, I've been traumatised seriously in my childhood by an average hideous Marseilles deck, which drove me away from tarot for at least a decade. When I hear "Tarot de Marseilles", my heart stops and I run in the opposite direction. Yet, I have to admit that since I'm here, after looking at many Marseilles decks, I've found the Tarot Classic, and particularly the Fournier, pretty. You have no idea how much it costs me to admit such a thing, but I still think that the others are repulsive and ugly. I have even put the Fournier in my wishlist. I think it is the only one in which the characters have life in them.

Cerulean	19 Dec 2003
I didn't vote because I don't use any of these French or listed Marseilles versions regularly and I don't favor the ones listed. I find the Hadar and Grimaud titles harder to get where I am. Mostly Lo Scarabeo and U.S. Games titles are easier for me to obtain in California--otherwise it is online. I think I'm one of the odd ducks that only use Italian Milanese variants and perhaps the Visconti precursor to the French and Swiss styles listed. Mari H.

Moonbow*	20 Dec 2003
Hi Lee I'd very much like to contruibute here but I only have one deck, Tarot of Marseille UK games (the ugly one) -which - to be fair is OK (I am waiting for Hadar to arrive - have I said that more than once now?). I couldn't choose a favourite without knowledge of the others but this thread needs a bump I think Moonbow* :)

Kaz	20 Dec 2003
the most beautiful one is definately by far the hadar deck. i use the grimaud just as much.

Umbrae	20 Dec 2003
Does a Marseille have to be French? Can a non-illustrated pips qualify? I like the Tarocco Neoclassico.

Myrrha	23 Dec 2003
I voted for the Conver (I have the Lo Scarabeo and Heron versions) To me, the woodcuts are softer looking than the line drawings of the Grimaud decks. The Lo Scarabeo one has thick, fat llines and the lines on the Heron are a little more delicate. Because of this the faces are better on the Lo Scarabeo version, the figures seem more present. The colors are much much better (to me) in the Heron version, rich gold and red and black. The Lo Scarabeo colors are lively but all that red and green gets to me after a while. The Heron deck is also a bit smaller and feels wonderful to shuffle and play with. I am not sure about the Hader from scans I have seen. It looks like there are some elements added, like the knife on the Valet de Coupe and what looks like a barred window on the Reyne de Coupe. I think I will still like it a lot and can't wait to get it. --Myrrha

Lee	23 Dec 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae Does a Marseille have to be French? Can a non-illustrated pips qualify? I like the Tarocco Neoclassico. That would I think be in a different category. I would classify a Marseille deck as adhering fairly strictly to the Marseille pattern for each card. We should do a poll of antique non-Marseilles decks like the one Umbrae mentions. -- Lee

jmd	23 Dec 2003
I had already voted in the poll, but just thought I'd mention that the three decks I ticked (even though I also like the others mentioned) are the Conver, the Camoin and the Hadar. The Schaffhouse, though I personally like it very much, and is the deck I use most regularly for readings, I do not classify as a Marseille - it has sufficient differences for me to place the deck, and its similarly depicted ones, in a different class. As for the Marteau/Grimaud and Fournier, they have charm, but are not my personaly favourite.

Le_Corsair	23 Dec 2003
I've not voted yet, because the only Marseilles I currently have is the Fournier. I have a copy of the Grimaud coming, and I eventually hope to get the Hadar or the Camoin. (I'll decide on that one based on reviews, not aesthetics.) Lee, I noticed that the Piatnik version of the Marseilles is fairly easy to find, would you like to add that to the poll choices? Bob :THERM

Lee	24 Dec 2003
Well, as it turns out, adding an item to a poll is a more involved process than I thought... I have to ask the moderators to do it for me, a non-moderator can't edit a poll, even one they start. If there's overwhelming support for adding the Piatnik, then I'll ask the moderators to add it. So if anyone's favorite Marseilles include the Piatnik, speak now! :) -- Lee

Moonbow*	31 Dec 2003
Are there really only 30 people who have voted for this? I'm bumping because I think we need more votes and I think its useful info for all those thinking of getting a Marseilles deck. Here goes, hold on tight: Moonbow*

Cerulean	11 Jan 2004
to use regularly...actually it is from Jane Lyle's set from Thunder Bay and it is different look than the other TdM's that I mentioned before. http://www.tarotpassages.com/TarotSet-mf.htm

Nevada	12 Jan 2004
Well, even though I'm a complete novice to the Marseilles and don't even own one yet, I voted for the Conver (Ancient Tarot of Marseilles), since it's the first one I plan to purchase. That's about as much intelligence as I can offer on this topic. ;) Nevada

Jewel-ry	12 Jan 2004
I have voted for the Hadar because it is the only one I have and I love it! J :)

Moongold	14 Feb 2004
Hello, I just purchased a Fournier because I really like the thought and image of paintings as opposed to woodcuts, but I am wondering why there is no review of the Fournier on Aeclectic. What a pity :). I think it would be great for people to see the different types of Marseilles. I know there are Italian versions as well ............... Hmmmmmmmm... I have a lot to learn. I have the Conver already but really liked the Fournier Moongold

Rusty Neon	15 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by jmd As for the Marteau/Grimaud and Fournier, they have charm, but are not my personaly favourite. If you don't like the Grimaud, you may like the Marteau TdM put out by publishers Dusserre. It's a photoreproduction of the 1930 Marteau deck. Its colours are not as saturated (thus making it easier to see the black design lines underneath the blue and green) and, as well, are truer to the hues of the colours of the full-size card illustrations in Marteau's book and its colour usage is truer to that of the cards in the cards in the book. The Grimaud blues are too dark and the yellow and flesh colours are too similar. On the other hand, my quibbles with the Dusserre are that it has blurry photography in some cases and, in some small zones, the colour fills are not there, leaving white. Compared to the Jodo-Camoin and the Hadar decks with their added and "restored" details, I find the design of the Marteau/Grimaud decks to be closer to the designs of the 1760 Conver.

skytwig	15 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Moongold I think it would be great for people to see the different types of Marseilles. This webpage may help: Samples of Different Marseilles Decks

lunakasha	16 Feb 2004
Thanks for the link, skytwig! It was nice to compare the different Marseilles decks, which had never really appealed to me before. I am still not sure about reading with a Marseilles, as I consider myself a "beginner" and therefore more comfortable with RWS-type decks. However, I was surprised to find myself attracted to both the Fournier and Hadar versions of the Marseilles...someday maybe! :) Luna

crystal cove	16 Feb 2004
I voted for the Hadar. I went to the site that is linked a few posts up and the Heron looks pretty good....hmmmm.....don't think I've seen that one around much. Time to visit TarotGarden.

Bean Feasa	23 Feb 2004
I've voted for the Fournier - it's the only one I have so I'm cheating a little bit. But I have browsed scans of the others and am still convinced the Fournier is the one for me!

Aure	25 Feb 2004
I don't own a Marseilles deck yet but I voted for Fournier. Did you notice the deck Tarot De La Félicité on that link skytwig posted? I think it was interesting. Spanish Tarot was too but the people were a little too red faced for my liking, seemed like they were sweating in the sun...

Lee	25 Feb 2004
I'm finding the developing progress of this poll to be very interesting. The Hadar established itself as an early favorite, and still leads, but the Camoin and the Fournier are quickly gaining! -- Lee

Cerulean	25 Feb 2004
Amazon Canada probably is to praise or blame...The Hadar is about $18.00 in the U.S. conversion. Mari H.

Rusty Neon	25 Feb 2004
Mari ... I'm in Canada and I still haven't purchased Hadar's deck. And I even see them in person in stores here. :)

Kaz	26 Feb 2004
goodness rusty, you better get yourself one then !

MSPSYCHOMAGNET	02 Mar 2004
I voted for the Conver. I think that the point in using a Marseilles deck, is to use the "original" deck. Other than that it is just a mass-marketed softer version for people who don't feel comfortable with ancient images, and the ancient truth of this deck. But than again, I am a purist and classicist about things, and hold in disdain images of goddesses, dragons, and fairies on my decks.

punchinella	02 Mar 2004
--Anybody here know where I can find a Fournier deck? Tarotgarden doesn't have it, learntarot doesn't have it, alida doesn't have it . . . I'm stumped! & it is awfully attractive, & I am determined to some day learn how to read with pips . . . I haven't voted because I don't own any of these decks. My only Marseilles is called 'Spanish' . . . (???) Anyway, I'm LOOKING for a Fournier . . . :) Punch [Edit: I EAT MY WORDS. Alida does have it, & cheap too, I was typing "Marseilles" rather than "Marseille" into the search engine . . . now the big question: do I spring for Soprafino as well :smoker: )

crystal cove	02 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by punchinella [b . now the big question: do i spring for soprafino as well :smoker: ) [/b] Heck yeah!! :D

punchinella	02 Mar 2004
--Naw, I didn't do it. Fournier was just SO CHEAP . . . I couldn't bring myself to ruin the beauty of the moment . . . :eek:

laura_borealis	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by MSPSYCHOMAGNET I voted for the Conver. I think that the point in using a Marseilles deck, is to use the "original" deck. Other than that it is just a mass-marketed softer version for people who don't feel comfortable with ancient images, and the ancient truth of this deck. But than again, I am a purist and classicist about things, and hold in disdain images of goddesses, dragons, and fairies on my decks. I don't hold faeries on decks in disdain -- but I voted for Conver too. I don't own a Marseilles deck (yet) but having looked at the samples (thanks for the link, skytwig!) and read the various reviews, I was turned off a bit by the cleaned-up versions. They felt prettied-up and less powerful. If I get a Marseilles, I will want something that preserves the historical feel of the deck, and the Heron Conver was my favorite of the repros. :)

Dark_angel	03 Mar 2004
What's wrong with having faeries or goddesses on a deck? I suppose it depends a lot on your individual reading style, and on the way a theme is used. Personally, I tend to read intuitively, and as such I gravitate towards decks that have imagery that I can use to facilitate this; for example, I own the Greenwood, Vertigo and Amber, all of which speak to me in distinct ways. Just because a deck uses a theme such as faeries does not make it fluffy or inferior; it is the quality of the artwork and the depth of the possible interpretation that can make or break it. For example, the Fey Tarot, while using faeries as its theme, is actually anything but fluffy, and is a very deep deck, as many people here have found. I do not consider myself to be uncomfortable with ancient images or culture; in fact I am a keen history student. However, I do not believe that just one kind of deck is capable of speaking the truth (if it did, surely that would be the only deck available, as it would be the only one worth studying).

laura_borealis	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Dark_angel Just because a deck uses a theme such as faeries does not make it fluffy or inferior; it is the quality of the artwork and the depth of the possible interpretation that can make or break it. For example, the Fey Tarot, while using faeries as its theme, is actually anything but fluffy, and is a very deep deck, as many people here have found. Hear, hear! :) Quote: I do not believe that just one kind of deck is capable of speaking the truth (if it did, surely that would be the only deck available, as it would be the only one worth studying). I completely agree. My pick of the available Marseilles decks is based on personal aesthetic preference. The "coloring outside the lines" look of woodblock printing appeals to me. But I would never try to imply that another person's choice wasn't "pure" enough.

Diana	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by MSPSYCHOMAGNET I voted for the Conver. I think that the point in using a Marseilles deck, is to use the "original" deck. Mspsychomagnet: You may find this thread interesting. It is Kris Hadar's response to a question by Rusty Neon. I first posted his reply in French, but after that follows the English translation. There are some very interesting pictures to be seen on it. http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?threadid=21791

MSPSYCHOMAGNET	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Dark_angel What's wrong with having faeries or goddesses on a deck? Absolutely nothing, if your querents happen to be fairies, dragons, or goddesses. But, I reason that tarot is about the human condition and should put forth images that bring to mind the human condition be it in historical or modern imagery. I apologize for veering off the topic everyone, but apparently several people wanted clarification on my rather elistist opinion. BTW: Thank you Diana for illuminating me on the purer historical aspects of the Marseilles!

Lee	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by MSPSYCHOMAGNET Absolutely nothing, if your querents happen to be fairies, dragons, or goddesses. But, I reason that tarot is about the human condition and should put forth images that bring to mind the human condition be it in historical or modern imagery. Hmmm... well, let's stick with the Marseille, then. Let's see... we have half-humans/half-animals and a griffin on the Wheel of Fortune... an animated skeleton on Death... a half-human, half-goat on the Devil, along with horned and tailed humans... and winged angels on Temperance and Judgment. Do griffins speak more to the human condition than dragons? Do angels speak more to the human condition than fairies or goddesses? Isn't Themis, pictured on the Justice card, a goddess? -- Lee

laura_borealis	03 Mar 2004
Diana, thank you for posting the link to Kris Hadar's explanation -- it was fascinating reading.

Dark_angel	03 Mar 2004
In my opinion, decks that use dragons and goddesses speak just as much about the human condition, as these are creations of humanity (in their present form, I mean). And it's difficult to think of a deck that doesn't use at least one mythological or non-human character; as Lee mentions, even the Marseille contains plenty of non-humans.

Rusty Neon	04 Mar 2004
Hi all ... When I answered the poll question, I couldn't choose one single Tarot de Marseille deck as my favourite, so (as permitted by the poll) I chose more than one. Let's see ... one single favourite TdM deck .... Conver (Lo Scarabeo): I like this deck's energy more than for any of the other TdM decks. As well, the colours are bright and cheery. One big minus of this deck is that the Italian museum specimen of which this deck is a photoreproduction has one missing card: the 6 of Batons. Thus, rather than have an artist-drawn replacement, LS airbrushed away the middle baton, and the I's from each of the VII's, from the 7 of Batons. (Ross discovered this on a recent thread.) I find that 6 of Batons now stands out like a sore thumb! :( I always hope that I don't draw the 6 of Batons on a throw. Conver (Héron): I like that this deck has all 78 cards intact. So it's my favourite complete 1760 Conver. I also like it because its colours are the ones to which the Jodo-Camoin deck corresponds to, in general. Too bad the colours are washed out and faded, which makes the deck distracting for reading purposes. As well, it's too bad the greens and dark blues are almost black. (I don't know if the washing out/fading is the reproduction's fault, the museum specimen's fault, or both.) Jodo-Camoin: I love the really clean lines of this deck, and bright cheery colours, although the powder blue colour bugs me. If it weren't for the added or enhanced occult details and some changes colours from the Héron Conver, this deck may well have been my one single favourite. I don't have the Hadar deck. Maybe he'll send me a review copy. :) (My mailing address is available on request.) Added details and colour changes are also a problem with the Hadar deck, in my view as well -- although Hadar intended an Ür-Tarot de Marseille rather than a Conver restoration. Incidentally, my ideal restored TdM deck (which doesn't exist yet -- maybe if I win a lottery I can commission it!) is a deck that faithfully reproduces (with fine clean lines and bright and clear colours) the design details of the Héron Conver and faithfully restores the Héron Conver's colours. The added and enhanced details unfortunately make the Jodo-Camoin deck quite distracting, but mostly what I feel when I see them is an opportunity lost for this being my ideal restored TdM. Marteau deck: What I like about this deck is that it has really clean lines and, more than any other restored TdM deck, faithfully respects the design details of the Héron Conver. Unfortunately, its colours are altered. If not for the altered colours, this deck could have come close to being an ideal restored TdM deck. I have three versions of the Marteau (first published in 1930): the full-size, colour illustrations in a 1977 edition of Marteau's book; the recent Grimaud deck; and the Éditions Dusserre photoreproduction of a 1930 Bibliothèque nationale (Paris) specimen. - I prefer the one in the book but unfortunately they're not physical cards. Generally, the colour tones are faithful to those of the BN specimen. - The Grimaud's yellows and flesh colours are too similar, both looking like yellow; and the blues are way too dark - e.g., you can barely make out the crustacean in the Moon card. The Dusserre, being reproduced from an original 1930 specimen, is the most faithful. - The Dusserre is faithful to the BN specimen, I would presume. Drawbacks are that some of the photography is blurry and that there is a minor, printing alignment problem (Certain small blocks of colour don't accurately align with the line drawings). As well, I have the Fournier. (Maybe I'll discuss it later on.) Overall, no single favourite, but a number of favourites: - Conver (Héron) - Conver (Lo Scarabeo) - Marteau (Dusserre) - Marteau (the one in the book) - Jodo-Camoin Together, they comprise my one single perfect TdM deck. Overall, least distracting TdM decks (therefore good as reading decks) are the Marteau (Dusserre) and, if I could forget about the 6 of Batons, the Conver (Lo Scarabeo).

punchinella	17 Mar 2004
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mj07	01 Apr 2004
I just ordered the Fournier from Alida. eeek! scared now... at least I HOPE I ordered it, first time ordering from them and it was a bit confusing! PS does anyone know how I can check order status on their site to make sure they got it okay? thanks!

punchinella	01 Apr 2004
I don't think you can. But I know that you do have to fill out two forms, the order form & the payment form. If you don't receive email confirmation within 24 hours, I doubt that they got it (but I'm sure you will get the confirmation). Punch

lunakasha	01 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by mj07 I just ordered the Fournier from Alida. eeek! scared now... at least I HOPE I ordered it, first time ordering from them and it was a bit confusing! PS does anyone know how I can check order status on their site to make sure they got it okay? thanks! Hey mj! I hope your order with alida goes through....but if it doesn't, here is where I got mine: http://www.areyougame.com/Interact/item.asp?q=marseille+tarot&qmethod=0&itemno=UC172&sa=0 This company is located in the US, and I received it within one week of placing my order! :D AND It only cost me $13.96 including shipping...how can you go wrong??? Unfortunately, it looks like the Fournier is out of stock at the moment....is it possible that I got the last one???? :eek: Hmmmm..... But if you click on that link, there is a place where you can register to be notified when they are back in stock.... Best of luck to you in finding these cards...you will be very glad you did! :) Luna

Moonbow*	02 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by mj07 PS does anyone know how I can check order status on their site to make sure they got it okay? thanks! Hi mj07, I e-mailed them just to make sure everything was OK (like you - I found it a bit confusing). They e-mailed me straight back with a link to be able to look at my order and told me everything was fine - a great relief! M*

mj07	02 Apr 2004
I actually got THREE emails from them this morning, basically telling me that the package is shipping out today (woo hoo, excited) and how I can check the order online! So apparently it went through just fine! SOOOO excited about the new deck! more to learn, it's all good!

Dexter	02 Apr 2004
Well I voted for the Hadar. One of the things that attracted me the most was the back of the cards. They are beautiful. Thankyou again to jmd for recommending them. Also Diana thankyou for posting Kris Hadar's response, I too found it enlightening. I do have to admit to being a little biased as I am also Canadian and the thought of owing a deck created by a fellow countryman was appealing. But now that I have the deck it is only one of the numerous reasons for me enjoying it so much. I am also enjoying researching the history of the different decks as I have since last month been the proud owner of all 3 volumes of The Encyclopedia of Tarot and am waiting, unfortunately not too patiently for the fourth volume to come out. It is a thrill to be able to actually look at the old decks and read their history. Dexter

Diana	02 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Dexter I do have to admit to being a little biased as I am also Canadian and the thought of owing a deck created by a fellow countryman was appealing. Actually, he is a French Canadian by adoption and a Frenchman by birth. Makes for a truly wonderful combination of cultures!!!

Le_Corsair	02 Apr 2004
That's two strikes against him, as far as I'm concerned... only joking. :D Seriously, I voted for the Fournier, only because Lee wouldn't include the Piatnik. Someday there'll have to be a discussion of the Piatnik. Bob :THERM

Lee	02 Apr 2004
I've asked the moderators to add the Piatnik. -- Lee

Le_Corsair	02 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Lee I've asked the moderators to add the Piatnik. -- Lee Thanks, Lee! Bob :THERM

Marion	02 Apr 2004
I added it, but how can you vote again?

Lee	02 Apr 2004
I see someone has voted for it, it must have been Bob, unless there is a shy Piatnik fan who has not declared themselves in a post yet. :) -- Lee

Le_Corsair	02 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Lee I see someone has voted for it, it must have been Bob, unless there is a shy Piatnik fan who has not declared themselves in a post yet. :) -- Lee 'Twasn't me, I voted for the Fournier..... :) Bob :THERM

Marion	03 Apr 2004
Bob, I added a vote for you to the Piatnik. Now it says 2. hehe. Hope that's okay. So technically you got to vote twice.

Le_Corsair	03 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Marion Bob, I added a vote for you to the Piatnik. Now it says 2. hehe. Hope that's okay. So technically you got to vote twice. Thanks, Marion! Although I think that if we are to get truly technical, I got two votes but only voted once.... :D Bob :THERM:

punchinella	07 Apr 2004
Well, just now I finally officially voted--for Kris Hadar & Fournier. I received my long-awaited Hadar deck in the mail yesterday, so now I feel justified in officially voting for it. The Hadar deck is regal in stature. It positively crackles with energy . . . it's like a vortex around which everything else seems to spin. (&, it's beautiful. --Need I say more?) My Fournier vote is not just for the Fournier 'Fournier' (which I own & enjoy) but also for the Fournier 'Spanish' (which I enjoy even more). The Spanish deck is very special: the thing I like best about it is that unlike my two other Marseilles decks, in which the lines are 'dead' or of even width/thickness, in this deck they truly resemble the lines of woodcut in that the thicknesses vary (throughout the majors & court cards . . . the pips, while still lovely & delicate, are more 'dead' in their approach to line.) This is a unique look, a look that very much appeals to me. This was the first Marseilles deck I ever bought . . . one which I picked up just because I liked the look of it, before it ever occured to me to want a Marseilles deck as a Marseilles deck . . . if that makes any sense . . . :) I suppose this deck was not included in the voting list because titles etc. have been translated into Spanish & English . . . also I think there are some iconographic inconsistencies (for example, I notice that the death card is a reverse-image of Hadar's death card, & not having done much research yet I'm not exactly sure how much of an infraction this sort of thing might be . . . :| ) But in its defense (as a Marseilles) I will point out that number-wise nine is VIIII, four IIII; death has no name, & the fool no number . . . (here I am surely betraying my ignorance in ways that at this point I cannot even imagine.) At any rate: consider one of my votes, until further notice, cast for the Spanish deck in spite of (???) dubious repute, real or imagined. Punchinella

Diana	07 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by punchinella (for example, I notice that the death card is a reverse-image of Hadar's death card, & not having done much research yet I'm not exactly sure how much of an infraction this sort of thing might be . . . :| ) punchinella: Do you mean that the skeleton in trump XIII (never forget that this card does not have a name) is facing the opposite way? :eek:

Rusty Neon	07 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Diana punchinella: Do you mean that the skeleton in trump XIII (never forget that this card does not have a name) is facing the opposite way? :eek: In the Noblet Tarot de Marseille, which predates the 1760 Conver Tarot de Marseille, this card does indeed have a name, LAMORT (Death).

punchinella	07 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Diana punchinella: Do you mean that the skeleton in trump XIII (never forget that this card does not have a name) is facing the opposite way? Yes that's exactly what I mean.

Centaur	07 Apr 2004
I voted Fournier. :)

lunakasha	07 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Centaur I voted Fournier. :) No kidding, C......I had no idea! ;) Hehehe.... Me too! :) Luna

tmgrl2	07 Apr 2004
Still waiting for Camoin and book...for Hadar... Do not like ...USGames at all.... Have Conver Ancient TdMarseilles.... Which version is that? terri will then look, study and compare...still working hard on my basic RW...but think I will find TdM fascinating as well...just got Klea's book and also Ombres et Lumieres du Tarot....so have lots of reading to do as well...when time affords itself...so wonderful to have all of this to look forward to.... I voted for Conver, Hadar and Camoin...from what I have seen so far..pictured...but feel that will change when I work with cards...maybe not....it's weird how the overall color affectsme The Conver Ancient TdM is so...so.....TAN...

Lee	07 Apr 2004
Interesting to see that the Fournier has now inched ahead of the Camoin. -- Lee

lunakasha	07 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Lee Interesting to see that the Fournier has now inched ahead of the Camoin. -- Lee Yes Lee.....very interesting! I have noticed recently that the Fournier is getting harder to find...apparently there is a lot of interest right now in this cute and colorful little deck! :) Luna

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