new lo scarabeo pagan

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 11 Feb 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

punchinella	11 Feb 2004
Hey does anybody here know anything about the new lo scarabeo pagan deck that was supposed to come out--well, I thought it was already supposed to be out by now, actually! Back in the Fall I remember seeing sample cards but now I can't even find those . . . anybody know where I can view samples?? --Do you know the deck I mean?? --I really liked the look of it, it was pagan but in a modern setting . . . typical ls art . . . Everywhere I go looking for it now, I only find Pagan 2000 (which I hate :( ) P.

Cerulean	11 Feb 2004
under pre-releases and the website from the Lo Scarabeo post by Riccardo Minetti: www.loscarabeo.com/catalogo2004/Catalogo_UK/catalogo.htm Click on tarots on upper left hand side, then choose the category Classical and the Pagan is listed third from the bottom. Only a few cards.

spoonbender	11 Feb 2004
Here are some images too.

lunalafey	11 Feb 2004
Llewellyn says, north american release is scheduled for april.

Hedera	11 Feb 2004
Does anyone know if the Pagan tarot will have a book to go with it, too? Considering who helped develop it (can't remember her name off the top of my head, but it's the woman from the wicce.com site) that would be interesting!

punchinella	11 Feb 2004
Hedera, I don't know anything about a book, but somehow I doubt it. Thanks for the links--now WHY would they bury a modern pagan deck in the classical section of their website--?? This makes no sense to me. I actually went to the website last week looking for the deck, & didn't even bother checking classical because I thought there was no way it could be there. Hmmmph. The tarotpassages preview was what I had seen before--thanks for finding it again for me! I'm very much attracted to this deck from a texture/content perspective, although the Hermit's cleavage is a bit off-putting . . . Wouldn't it be nice if LS would just--you know, give it a rest? Oh, well. It's certainly not enough to turn me off the deck--P.

RiccardoLS	11 Feb 2004
Some few answers... The deck should be realesed in about 15 days. We are waiting for the printed decks to arrive. There won't be a book, probably, but I have a lot of information by Wicce (Gina M. Pace) that she provided along with the script for the deck... and it's all in English. There is almost enough for a whole book... but it needs to be polished up a bit. Anyway I should be able to make that information public, to access on the net. The deck concept is of a modern Wiccan. While the majors are more "classical", the minors adapt as much as it is possible the menaing of the cards to everyday life... on a Wiccan side. And there is a great focus on the balance between spiritual and material, as well as on the incidence of the spiritual ON the material (and the other way round). Best, Ric

punchinella	11 Feb 2004
Oh, 15 days! Now I AM excited. RiccardoLS, you must work for/be somehow behind Lo Scarabeo??? --Sorry for criticizing the cleavage thing, I'm sure it appeals to male tarotists . . . :) Net access to Wicce's info will be great, if there's no book. Thanks for noticing/responding to us here! P.

Maan	12 Feb 2004
15 days????? wauw!!! So that's in europe? Ooohh i love living in europe ;)

Hedera	12 Feb 2004
LOL! Me too! Wanna race me, Maan? ;-))

RiccardoLS	12 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by punchinella RiccardoLS, you must work for/be somehow behind Lo Scarabeo??? I do work for LoScarabeo indeed. The LS after my name stand for LoScarabeo, actually. Quote: --Sorry for criticizing the cleavage thing, I'm sure it appeals to male tarotists . . . :) That things are left usually to the Artist. I think it may be in the habits of many artists to add that something sexual. It's difficult for me to notice. When I notice it, sometimes it helps me... for that card, it helps me feeling the beauty of the person there. Other times, I feel like it is not appropriate... like a contamination of the card. Really it would be a long topic... Maybe it should be worth to address it again :)

Shade	13 Feb 2004
I mentioned the cleavage in LS decs in another post but we decided it only really bothers Americans.

punchinella	13 Feb 2004
Woah, really??? That old Puritan heritage kicking up its heels again? Well, okay, yes, I'll admit there are some Mayflower folks on my family tree. But I'm usually okay with cleavage, really . . . only just . . . not on a hermit . . . :confused: P.

Darla	14 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Shade I mentioned the cleavage in LS decs in another post but we decided it only really bothers Americans. Lol, I had to go back to the page to see the Hermit picture again to see what you mean. As European I really didn't even notice it. I guess you are right and it's mainly an American thing. Always interesting to see how cultural differences exist even in the western world!

13thFaeChylde	14 Feb 2004
I checked it out and I *love* this deck! Can't wait to get one :) I live in America and the cleavage didn't bother me ;)

Maan	14 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Hedera LOL! Me too! Wanna race me, Maan? ;-)) On your marks get set and GOOOOOOOOO!!! ( Its a shame its not on www.proxis.com or i would have been able to pre order it...now i will just have to hop in certain shops every day ;) ) Love Maan

shryl	09 Mar 2004
HI, The deck should be coming out in April. I am also looking forward to seeing it. Hope this helps. Cheryl http://www.loscarabeo.com/catalogo2004/Catalogo_UK/catalogo.htm

HudsonGray	09 Mar 2004
The cleavage thing....I think we get so much sex and violence thrown at us that it just gets to be too much after a while. I know it's the human body, but we're being force fed it in every advertisement, every tv show, every movie, every book cover practially. There ARE a ton of women who only have an A cup, yet those aren't represented very often, just the well endowed ladies seem to be in our face everywhere we turn. No pun intended. I'd like to see the rest of the human body types be given a fair shake, you know?

lunakasha	09 Mar 2004
I see what you are saying, HudsonGray......there really should be women of varying body types depicted in the media, but it just doesn't happen. Sex and "sexually ideal" body types sell, it's what most people want to see. As another example, it might be more realistic to see women with *cleavage* who also have rounder, heavier bodies to go with the larger breasts...but you won't see much of that either. It is no wonder that most women hate themselves and their bodies....how can we compete with perfection??? BTW, on a personal note, I do not have a problem with the "cleavage" or bare-breasted women in many of the LoS decks....I just feel that it is unfortunate that we don't see more variety in these women....different ages, sizes and ethnic backgrounds would be nice.....that's all, I'm off my soapbox now! :P Luna

punchinella	09 Mar 2004
Yeah. Come to think of it, this is exactly what bothers me about the cleavage. In a deck where I would expect celebration & acceptance of the natural, instead I see the unrealistic & impossible. (In real life, you're right, maybe one out of a hundred women might have a body shaped like that.) It's not exposed flesh that I have a problem with, but exposed commercialized/phony flesh . . . :)

HudsonGray	09 Mar 2004
Remember all older ladies do 'hang down' too, and we can get fat, skinny, etc. The Mary-el tarot celebrates this, which is fantastic.

lunakasha	09 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by punchinella It's not exposed flesh that I have a problem with, but exposed commercialized/phony flesh . . . Yes, I agree...like what HudsonGray said about not seeing any small-breasted women represented...it is for the same reason that (real-life) women get breast implants: they want perfection, they are trying to live up to this fake, Barbie-doll image that is, for most women, unattainable and unhealthy. :) Luna

punchinella	10 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by HudsonGray Remember all older ladies do 'hang down' too, and we can get fat, skinny, etc. The Mary-el tarot celebrates this, which is fantastic. I read a Darwinian take on the 'hang-down' phenomenon awhile back & was quite taken with it. The argument was that hanging is exactly what breasts are designed to do (for ease of feeding, etc.) The Mary-el is (going to be???) a great tarot.

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