Tarot of Prague

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 26 Mar 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

FaerieStorm	26 Mar 2004
I just ordered the Tarot of Prague directly from the website. Does anyone know how long it takes to receive it, condering it ships from Europe? Thanks

Le_Corsair	26 Mar 2004
I got mine in less than a week. :) Bob :THERM

mota	26 Mar 2004
I received mine from the same source...about a week and a half to the central USA. I used the European paypal, straight from the site and had no problems. You'll be happy with the cards and service, I'm sure.

Kosmos	26 Mar 2004
I have to ask about this deck again because I'm not sure what's going on... I ordered it from a local bookstore a few weeks ago, and since then baba-prague posted about the fact that the individual decks were sold out but the sets were available. I ordered the set, however, a week ago I got a call from the bookstore saying that they were out of stock at the suppliers. I'm not sure who their suppliers are, but I'm in central Canada. Can anyone help me out as to whether the SET (cards and book) is available or not?

punchinella	26 Mar 2004
I'm sure the set is still available. Originally there were far more sets than individual decks printed (I'm not sure of the exact proportions, but I think it might have been something like 2000 sets & 500 single decks--something like that???) I think baba didn't anticipate single decks selling so well, but the thing is that a lot of people love this deck so much that they buy additional single decks as back-up, after purchasing the set (in order not to worry about using/abusing the cards). Anyway, just because the single decks are now sold out does NOT mean that the sets are too. I wouldn't worry too much. (Also, I think baba & baba are working on 2nd edition right now as well :) )

baba-prague	27 Mar 2004
Hi - yes, the set IS still available. We have quite a few - I think enough to last this year probably. We have also sent a lot to the US suppliers. I think what has happened is simply that it takes ages to get them across the sea and then distributed. As far as we know they are currently in Los Angeles (with 100 separate decks - the last left!) It's the first time we've worked with a US distributor and so I'm not sure how long it all takes. I know they are accepting orders so ToP should I hope start to appear in US and Canadian shops pretty soon now. PLEASE, if you sight it in a shop in the next few weeks, do let me know. I just want to know that it really is there!

baba-prague	05 Apr 2004
I'm bumping this to say that Tarot of Prague has finally made it to the distributors (SCB) in Los Angeles, and will now begin to ship out to shops in the US and Canada. They have sets and 100 only decks - the very last separate decks (which have been at sea for two months) so there is a chance of ordering one of these if you are still looking for a separate deck. As there are so few I think they will go very fast though. There are still plenty of sets. I am so pleased it finally got there, I an hardly believe it!

le pendu	06 Apr 2004
Hi Baba-Prague, Congratulations to your decks on a safe passage! I love my set, and use it so much, that I'd like to get a seperate deck. I found the website for SBC but, as you say, they are distributers, not retailers. I can't find any area on their site to actually order anything. Would you suggest contacting them directly to find our how/where to acquire a deck, or do you know some of the outlets that they will be distributing to? best, robert

baba-prague	06 Apr 2004
I will ask them. All I know so far is that NewLeaf, who are large wholesaler to independent bookshops, will be one of the intermediaries (amazing how many people are in the "chain"!). I would guess that some may go to places like Borders, though in fact this is more likely for "Cats" - as ToP does not have standard packaging it is a bit more difficult for large chains like Borders to handle the sets, though I guess they may take some. I will find out more and get back to you. I would guess that the quickest way may be to ask your local bookstore to order through NewLeaf or Ingrams. But I will check. By the way, Tarotgarden and Alidastore may also have a few separate decks left if you can't track down one of the illusive 100!

baba-prague	21 Apr 2004
I just sort of casually checked to see if Tarot of Prague is now on Amazon.com and yes, it is, though not yet available AND it is unbelievably discounted. Really unbelievable. I suppose our distributors have done some sort of deal or something. Or Amazon have got mixed up? Anyway, while I am here with a kind of stunned look on my face - this is a heads up to everyone on Aeclectic. I know (for sure, I packed them!) that in fact it is impossible for Amazon to have more than about 20 of the first edition decks - it's the last of them - and the second edition are not yet printed (i.e cannot be out in the US until around July/August at best) so if you buy one at this price you may have to take pot-luck as to whether you get a first edition, or a second edition (after a wait). I'm not sure Amazon will really understand the question either, so it may literally be pot luck. But it might be worth just trying. Honestly, this is about cost price and I'm stlll not sure I really believe it (I mean will they actually supply at this price?) I think I might order a couple LOL! The sets all DO have first-edition decks in them - that's the good news and they are at very good price too. Once those are gone (but as yet we have some) we will switch to a second-edition set. Please tell me if you order and actually receive a set or deck. As I say, I am kind of stunned - but sort of pleased too in a way. _____ edited to add - I hope this isn't too commercial a post, but I'd rather it was me saying "Look on Amazon" and explaining the true situation, (as far as I can work it out). Hope that's okay.

le pendu	21 Apr 2004
I just ordered a backup deck. Amazon says that it is not released yet, but when I got my order comfirmation it says this: Shipping estimate: April 23, 2004 Delivery estimate: April 27, 2004 - April 29, 2004 1 "The Tarot of Prague (Deck)" Magic Realist Press; Hardcover; @ $14.00 each So who knows. robert

Mimers	21 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by robertmealing I just ordered a backup deck. Amazon says that it is not released yet, but when I got my order comfirmation it says this: Shipping estimate: April 23, 2004 Delivery estimate: April 27, 2004 - April 29, 2004 1 "The Tarot of Prague (Deck)" Magic Realist Press; Hardcover; @ $14.00 each So who knows. robert Only $14!!! that's a steal! Scap em up.

punchinella	21 Apr 2004
Oh, my God, that's ridiculous. Are we sure it's not a mistake? --Why would they do this? It just doesn't make sense.

baba-prague	22 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by punchinella Oh, my God, that's ridiculous. Are we sure it's not a mistake? --Why would they do this? It just doesn't make sense. I honestly assume it's a loss-leader or something. We did have to ship the last 100 separate decks (well, the last 100 we had - tarotgarden and alida have some I hope) to our distributors. We had to cost for the second edition - at $20 - but as we don't yet have it we made the decision to let them take the last of the FIRST edition to be going on with. Does all this make sense? What I mean is that we couldn't ask our distributors to do all the work then leave them in the lurch with no decks while we reprinted. So in fact there are 100 first edition decks somewhere in the US and priced at $20. It IS a steal and it was a hard decision for us to make (but one of those weird things that can happen in publishing). What I can't tell is how many have made it to Amazon. Not many I think as I KNOW 45 or so immediately went off to independent bookstores in the US. I would rather the ones that are at Amazon make it to AT people - or anyone who can't afford the usual price for that matter. The sets are another story. We are still on first edition sets. I can't tell when those will sell out. When they do, then again, we will switch to a less lavishly packaged second edition (our bookbinder really did not want to do the "bookbinder" cover again, and the US distributor asked us to keep the price down with different packaging). However on the plus side the newer cards may be a little larger, will be on very nice "made to order" card stock that we found, and will have heavier lacquer. So it's a bit swings and roundabouts. One way or another though, we wanted to keep the first edition really unique - and I think we've succeeded in this! We had to price - in US dollars - the same for all sets (or again, we would have driven our distributors up the walls with the complexity of it all, though they are really nice people) so for a while, though perhaps not for that long, there will also be very well-priced first edition sets around - but only in the US. However, the Amazon price IS something else again. I did not expect this sort of massive discounting. In a way it's just great - but a bit of a shock too. But if they can do this, well then, I suppose why not? But please don't be surprised if they tell you very quickly that they have no separate decks - as I say, they simply cannot have more than a few. Oh - and as this is on my mind - if you have ordered ToP with your Baroque Bohemian Cats pre-order you can always switch your pre-order of course. We don't mind at all if people can get their ToP set at a lower price. By the way, all this is one of the reasons we decided to take a biggish risk and price BBCats from the beginning in US dollars and at a lower price. It keeps things more predictable, even if it does mean that it all starts off a bit under-priced in a way. Oh dear, the joys of being your own publisher... :-)

Aerin	22 Apr 2004
This is even very cheap to import. I am expecting that I will not get my 'backup' deck, but this is too good not to give it a go. Even in the midst of teaching practice aaaaarghhhhh Aerin

laura_borealis	23 Apr 2004
I ordered the set from Amazon. I was going to order it direct from you, Karen, but I couldn't pass up the price, sorry... Amazon claims it will be shipped today. :) Yay!

baba-prague	24 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by laura_borealis I ordered the set from Amazon. I was going to order it direct from you, Karen, but I couldn't pass up the price, sorry... Amazon claims it will be shipped today. :) Yay! Don't worry - it's a fantastic price and I wouldn't pass up on it either!

le pendu	27 Apr 2004
I just got the shipment notice from amazon! It's on it's way! What a deal! robert

laura_borealis	28 Apr 2004
My Amazon account still says: Items not yet shipped: Delivery estimate: Apr 26, 2004 - Apr 27, 2004 * 1 of The Tarot of Prague (Kit) Considering the estimated delivery date has passed, I'm not holding my breath yet. (But I am crossing my fingers for it to be shipped soon)

le pendu	30 Apr 2004
It's here! I'm the proud owner of 2298/3500. Amazon really came through on this one. And, as always, thank you Baba-Prague for such a wonderful deck. robert

Jewel-ry	30 Apr 2004
Mine is 1929/3500. Boy I'd love to know who got number 1. :)

baba-prague	30 Apr 2004
We did :-) but we put other significant numbers into the world. It will be interesting to see where they all end up. Anyway, this is also just to say that I won't be around AT for a while - not sure how long. I just need to take some time out after what happened on this forum tonight. I don't want to say more now, but yes, it IS about Diana leaving. That has shaken me - and saddened me.

laura_borealis	30 Apr 2004
Not you, too! :(

zagone	02 May 2004
I put in an order for the set and for the lone deck this evening through Amazon -- we'll see what happens. They gave me an estimated ship date of May 7th. At least, I assume that the "Softcover" at $26, and the "Hardcover" at $14 refer to set versus deck alone. Anyone know? At $26, the set is worthwhile compared to the equiv. of $40-$45 US dollars ordering direct (although for this deck, that was certainly worth it). Hopefully I'll get both, keep the standalone deck, and give the set as a present later. But, if the standalone deck does not come through, another set is worth it for back-up. -- Zagone

Kissa	03 May 2004
Quote: Originally posted by zagone I put in an order for the set and for the lone deck this evening through Amazon -- we'll see what happens. They gave me an estimated ship date of May 7th. At least, I assume that the "Softcover" at $26, and the "Hardcover" at $14 refer to set versus deck alone. Anyone know? At $26, the set is worthwhile compared to the equiv. of $40-$45 US dollars ordering direct (although for this deck, that was certainly worth it). Hopefully I'll get both, keep the standalone deck, and give the set as a present later. But, if the standalone deck does not come through, another set is worth it for back-up. -- Zagone Not sure since i found only one tarot of prague listed on amazon.com. But i know that the companion book is available separately so could one be the set and the other one only the book? my two cents... get the set, the book is excellent, the best companion book ever! Kissa

le pendu	03 May 2004
I didn't know the book was available by itself. My bet is that one is the set, and one is the deck. I would highly recommend keeping the SET. The book is, as has been noted, superior to many others and will bring the deck further to life for you. While you're at it, you might want to keep the deck too, as a back up! That's why I ordered the second deck. My first that came with the set is getting a LOT of use. : ) robert

laura_borealis	03 May 2004
I believe the $26 is for the deck and book. When I look at the package tracking page on Amazon, it says "kit": Items not yet shipped: Delivery estimate: Apr 26, 2004 - Apr 27, 2004 * 1 of The Tarot of Prague (Kit) It makes sense for the $14 to be the deck alone. Such an amazing deal! I still can't quite believe that it's true. Mine still hasn't shipped, according to the Amazon website. *is on pins and needles*

zagone	04 May 2004
Thanks -- I think I have this figured out now. I already have the set (purchased direct). So I'm looking for a backup deck and/or a really nice gift for someone next Yule!\ After finals, maybe I'll be able to participate in some of study group threads around here. We'll see. -- Zagone

laura_borealis	07 May 2004
The Tarot of Prague (deck and book) has gone up to $39.00 US dollars on amazon.com. The deck alone has gone up to $20.00. They are also saying that an extra charge of $1.99 might apply, for some weird reason. I'm glad I ordered mine when it was still inexpensive. It hasn't shipped yet, according to amazon, but it looks like I'll be charged the lower price... if they come through at all... :P

laura_borealis	09 May 2004
.....and, now they've gone back down! 26.59 for the deck/book and 14.00 for the deck alone, with the higher prices crossed out. :confused:

zagone	12 May 2004
And now the prices are back up to $39 and $20, and it appears that the deck is only available through zshops rather than through Amazon?? They are confused... My order from May 2nd has not shipped so I think you all snatched up the available copies -- drat! ;-) Well, hopefully they will dig up some or hold order at these prices until 2nd edition. -- Zagone

Aerin	12 May 2004
Am waiting patiently to see if Amazon make ggod their promise. STill shows delivery of May 2-9 Aerin

laura_borealis	12 May 2004
I have cancelled my order with Amazon, and will wait until the Baroque Bohemian Cats is finished to get my Tarot of Prague -- I asked baba-prague if I could change my BBCats pre-order to the option of getting a T of P along with it, and she graciously assented. I felt very impatient with Amazon and their tactics, and I would far rather support Karen and Alex by ordering direct. :P The deal from Amazon is sweet (the low prices they had before, that is), and I hope for those of you that have an order pending with them that they come through for you. :)

Bean Feasa	13 May 2004
My Tarot of Prague deck is no. 243/3500, I'm happy to say!:D But my friends, why not forget all this number- and price-crunching and come on over to the Tarot of Prague Café Club in the general study group section, to share your thoughts on the CARDS themselves. We have no particular order in mind, just chime in wherever you like. Dash off a reply to a thread that's already started, or, better again start a new thread about something in the deck that catches your eye. We will ply you with wine and cakes and coffee, and great views of the Old Town! Apologies to the moderator if I'm not allowed tout for business in this section ;) blessings, Kate

punchinella	13 May 2004
Aaah, I didn't realize the cafe club was still in business! --I'll have to drop in for a cappucino & slice of something (carrot cake sounds good--do they have such an item in Prague???)

Bean Feasa	14 May 2004
Looking forward to seeing you Punchinella :) I'm sure they have carrot-cake in Prague - if not I'll rustle up some Irish carrot-cake for you. Can't say fairer than that, can I? ;) BF

TemperanceAngel	18 May 2004
Hi all, last week I ordered 2 prints of these cards: The Moon (my fave) and the Magician. I have never seen the deck in the flesh, but very much look forward to it :) XTAX

zagone	22 May 2004
Okay... Now, as of Saturday afternoon 5/22/04 at 1:00pm EST, Amazon is once again selling the deck alone and the set. The prices are once again BACK TO THE VERY, VERY LOW $14 and $26 price points that this discussion started at!!! Go figure... This is your chance to get in on this if you missed it the first go around. Yesterday May 21st Amazon managed to source some of these from somewhere... They finally filled my order from May 2nd. The set is shipping from Tennessee and the deck alone is shipping from Oregon... I wonder who they got more from, and why they went back to the discounted prices??? Oh well, I'm HAPPY!!! -- Zagone

Jewel-ry	22 May 2004
In case you guys have missed it, as of yesterday Tarot of Prague has its very own study group forum. All the cards are so much easier to find now. Please feel free to pop over there and add any thoughts you may have about the deck. If you can't find the thread for the card you want to drool about, you may of course start it yourself. Its really interesting to read others observations so sit right down pull out your fave card and tell us what it means to you! Its worth the trip as I understand Bean Feasa is providing Irish carrot cake!! :)

Cocobird55	22 May 2004
I got an e-mail from Amazon today, letting me know that my deck had shipped. Sue

13thFaeChylde	24 May 2004
(crosses fingers) okay, I just ordered the set from amazon....here's hoping that there are no problems. (crosses toes and eyes also, just to make sure)

Aerin	24 May 2004
Just got an e-mail saying that my Amazon.com cheapie deal deck is on its way. It will be lovely to have a spare deck so that I don't need to worry about wear and tear so much. The only other deck I have two of is the Fey. Aerin

13thFaeChylde	26 May 2004
MY DECK SHIPPED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (claps hands and jumps up and down) :) :) :) :) :)

zagone	27 May 2004
Its true -- I got deck 2518/3500 on Friday!

Aerin	29 May 2004
I got 2539 to join my beloved 124 yesterday. Hurrah! Aerin

Cocobird55	29 May 2004
Mine came yesterday, too. I don't know what number it is. It is going to be a gift, and I'm really bad at tying ribbons, so I'm afraid to untie it. :-) Sue

13thFaeChylde	03 Jun 2004
Never would I have thought that I would ever need/want to have duplicate decks, but the day has come. I received my Tarot of Prague from another dealer via Amazon...and it was just that, the deck sans the book. So I told my husband my dilemma, that I really needed the book and I had ordered incorrectly in my zest to obtain the Prague deck. We looked at the deck and agreed that it was well worth the investment...so I ordered the SET today. And ya know what? I don't even feel guilty or extravagant for having two of the same decks :)

punchinella	03 Jun 2004
When I got my first ToP, I took one look at it & ordered 3 more.

13thFaeChylde	04 Jun 2004
You have FOUR Prague Tarots???? WOW. Are they "just in case" decks, just in case something happens to them...or are they going to be gifts? And, how do you shuffle them? I'm scared to take them out of order!

Mimers	04 Jun 2004
Quote: Originally posted by 13thFaeChylde And, how do you shuffle them? I'm scared to take them out of order! just do it! What good is having the deck if you don't use it? I have one for using and when i use it for a reading I let people shuffle it any way they want. I also have an extra first edition for collecting purposes. I just decided that I was not going to worry about it. Just use and enjoy it. I am also going to get one from the second run too. Love this deck! Hope it never goes out of print!

janstar17	04 Jun 2004
Quote: Originally posted by 13thFaeChylde And, how do you shuffle them? I'm scared to take them out of order! I have 0069/3500 so that should give you an idea of how long I have owned the set and I can't bring myself to take them out of order or handle them with anything but "kid gloves" yet!!! :-) Their presentation is so beautiful that I've decided to keep this deck as my coffee-table edition and buy a mass-market copy to actually use. It is a spectular tarot deck!

13thFaeChylde	04 Jun 2004
Now that's some serious willpower you have, janstar! Don't know if I could wait that long. I'm waiting for my second deck to arrive before I start using the current one. And who knows, maybe I'll have to get one of the mass-market ones as well, to travel with. Oh, and I have #2551....which adds up to 13!!

zagone	05 Jun 2004
Looks like its common to not use the deck until you have a 2nd copy to use. I originally got deck 300-something, got a friend a set some months later and she got 90-something. Urgh... :-) Oh well, I'm just happy to have them. I've purchased a few of these for friends -- they make great unique gifts for important occasions. -- Zagone

laura_borealis	05 Jun 2004
I am so broke now it's not funny -- but I scraped up my pennies (literally -- I took my change jar in to the bank :) ) and I ordered the deck alone. I know a few weeks ago I said I was going to order it direct -- but I just had to have it. I plan to get the 2nd edition, along with the book, when it comes out. My Prague deck is somewhere between Amazon and me now... I was hoping it would come today, but it seems I have to wait a bit longer. I cannot imagine having it and not using it, though. I plan to put a nice patina of wear on mine. :) Can't wait!

le pendu	05 Jun 2004
When I got mine, I was afraid to use it. I'd never held a deck like that felt like that before. I finally said what the heck and started using it. The deck has changed, like a beloved leather jacket, it grows more and more comfortable in the hand. The colors have held up. The varnish has held up. Nothing has cracked or worn. But it just gets better. Use the deck. Order a backup.. for the just in case phobia.. but use the deck.. it is wonderful! robert

punchinella	05 Jun 2004
Yes, I agree, incredible though it may seem this is a deck that is meant to be used. Quote: Originally posted by 13thFaeChylde You have FOUR Prague Tarots???? WOW. Are they "just in case" decks, just in case something happens to them...or are they going to be gifts? I had four, now I have two. Of the original four, I bought one for my mother & two as spares. I then wound up giving my second spare to my ex & his girlfriend, who grew up in Prague. It just had to be . . . they spent last summer in Prague &, I felt, needed the deck! Alas, this leaves me with one spare only. I'm waiting for 2nd ed. (hopefully a bit more glossy) at which point I plan to retire the 1st ed. I'm using now :)

Alta	05 Jun 2004
Karen mentioned somewhere that she had printed off a limited number, 1000 copies, of a second run of the deck.

WolfSpirit	07 Jun 2004
I have deck number 2832 and I bought it last week in Prague. I found it on the last day of my holiday when I had just parted from a friend who moved on to New Zealand (while I had to go back home to the Netherlands) so I like to think the deck was there to comfort me, and it brings to me memories of both the pleasure and pain of travelling and meeting old friends again. This makes the deck very personal to me, I don't know if I want to use it for readings. Also it is interesting to see the streets of Prague without all the tourists that are there now ;) O yes, I have two lwb's, one in English and one in Czech. The Czech sure looks intriguing...

laura_borealis	07 Jun 2004
My Prague just came! Also a big check -- talk about getting lucky with the mailman... :D Kittyboy wants to play with the ribbons, so he and I are going to look over the deck together now. ;) ETA: mine's 2322, and it put Kittyboy to sleep! But not me... it's gorgeous

13thFaeChylde	07 Jun 2004
Wow, people are getting lucky all over the place today! You'd hardly guess it was a Monday :D I checked on my 2nd Prague deck (the one with the book) and it won't be shipping until next week, due to me clicking the "super-saver-free shipping" on the amazon site instead of regular 3-5 day shipping.

Aerin	24 Jun 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Aerin I got 2539 to join my beloved 124 yesterday. Hurrah! Aerin Ordered another for a gift (from Amazon.com again): number 2542 arrived from Germany today. I am surprised that the numbers are so close together! Aerin

baba-prague	24 Jun 2004
It arrived from Germany?! Goodness I am surprised. I never really understand how Amazon distribute. These must have crossed the Atlantic twice! The numbers are probably not really in order as when we pack to ship we may end up mixing them up a bit, so it really is chance who gets what. We added some signatures to some - but it was fairly at random, just according to numbers that made us smile or that seemed significant.

Thea Lynx	24 Jun 2004
I finally couldn't resist getting this deck any longer and ordered it from Amazon just last week. I had no idea there was a limited edition available. My set arrived an hour ago, and I hadn't planned to look at it until tomorrow - being rather tired tonight. But after reading some of the posts here about limited edition numbers I just had to open it and see. Mine is listed as #0678/3500. My Temperance is definitely not Prudence - I think I may have liked Prudence better - but if this gives me an excuse to get another edition of the deck, I'll be one happy taroteer! Also on the subject of the price - I was amazed to see the figure of 29.90 Pounds on the case - Amazon charged me only $26.52! I think I've gotten one heck of a deal as well as a most lovely deck! Altogether, one very happy shopping experience. Thea Lynx

tao51	25 Jun 2004
I decided to buy it--especially when I saw the only 1 left message. Ironically, it was in the distribution center close to me. I can hardly wait to spread them and experience its magic!--Tao

tao51	30 Jun 2004
The deck has a magical feel from the first touch. I just sat studying each card. The communicate the feelings of the Magic City. It is easy to see the reason for its popularity.--Tao

WolfSpirit	30 Jun 2004
I only really started to love this deck when I had the cards in my hands. I don't think the scans did it justice. The actual cards look so much better.

tao51	30 Jun 2004
the are far more beautiful when you actually see them.--Tao

alizarin	01 Jul 2004
I caved and ordered them from Amazon a few weeks ago, and was also surprised to receive the first edition, numbered 2529. The cards really are gorgeous, and even more impressive in person. Personally, I love the way they feel, something about the finish and the weight just feels comfortable and old, even though they're brand new. Lovely, lovely deck.

tao51	01 Jul 2004
When you hold the deck they feel like old friends but yet they are really quite new. This is one of my prized decks. My deck is number 2514.--Tao

tao51	02 Jul 2004
The deck comes in a beautiful cover which is tie together with gold ribbons. Wonderful touch!--Tao

tao51	06 Jul 2004
to see why this deck is so popular!--Tao

baba-prague	09 Jul 2004
Quote: Originally posted by zagone Looks like its common to not use the deck until you have a 2nd copy to use. I originally got deck 300-something, got a friend a set some months later and she got 90-something. Urgh... :-) Oh, I only just saw this. If she got 90 something she was lucky indeed. We kept some low numbers and one friend bought about a dozen others, so there were even fewer in circulation than you'd imagine. Maybe it doesn't really matter though? To be honest, we are not even sure if we kept number one (isn't that crazy?) although we know we have some from the first 50 - but still wrapped.

zagone	09 Jul 2004
If I was keeping pristine copies for a museum, I'd be irked about not having the 90-something... But, no it truly does not matter. I'm happily using my copies and pleased when friends get the deck. I'm keeping 2 copies for myself, and have bought (over the past year) 3 copies for friends. Besides, I have a signed copy ;-) -- Zagone

tao51	10 Jul 2004
and I thought my ONE copy of these wonderfully magic cards was a joy to own. I use my cards daily! I am a careful shuffler. It took me so long to acquire my copy that I would never let anyone else touch them.--Tao

WolfSpirit	10 Jul 2004
It would be cool to have the very last of the limited edition though :D Think I will want a copy of the second edition for everyday (so to speak) use

Alta	10 Jul 2004
Now that I have the 2nd edition I find I use it constantly. Something about the size of the cards, the finish. And I find I just like to handle them. With only 3500 in the 1st edition, and all the attention to quality in the press runs, I very much doubt that the numerical value of the set is any indication of 'goodness' of the cards.

baba-prague	11 Jul 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Marion Now that I have the 2nd edition I find I use it constantly. Something about the size of the cards, the finish. And I find I just like to handle them. With only 3500 in the 1st edition, and all the attention to quality in the press runs, I very much doubt that the numerical value of the set is any indication of 'goodness' of the cards. I'm so glad to hear that these are useful to you. This deck likes to be used, I'm convinced. No, in fact there is no deterioration as the print process continues, not with modern print equipment. Besides which our printers have very high standards. But as you say, we don't do very large runs in any case. I think the "low number" thing is just that collectors like it. The friend who bought up around twenty of the lowest numbers is a design critic, and she says she will simply put some aside "for the record" as it were. We don't particularly want the deck seen as a collector's thing though, it's good to think of it in use. But of course, the second edition may be the more robust working version, as you say. We are probably going to go ahead with the very limited edition of the Baroque Bohemian Cats's deck, and that WILL consciously be more for gentle use and meditation, we plan very large cards with some gold inks and they will be beautiful but not really shuffle-able. Even then, it would be nice to think of it used sometimes - we wouldn't produce anything too delicate for any use. We're very William Morris in our approach "have nothing in your house which is not beautiful and useful" :-) (it's a paraphrase of the exact quote)

tao51	13 Jul 2004
I can attest that the Tarot of Prague is both beautiful and useful. The beauty extends to the gold ribbon hard case that encloses the cards. I am able to meditate on a card and feel like I am in the Magic City!--Tao

BrigantiaTarot	15 Jul 2004
...for my copy of deck-only edition 2. Honestly a lot of use (my other major deck right now is Golden Tarot) has not hurt my deck. But I will be happy to have a second copy and maybe keep the first one for meditaiton...and all that exploring Prague through the book! I also ordered the Bohemian Cats Tarot through Amazon when I had to cancel my original pre-order because I just wasn't sure it was going to be a good month to buy anything at all. But I will be happy to have it even if it's not from The Source! On a cats note, a clever, very-inexpensive deck is the Chat du Marseilles. It's b&w and majors-only, a redrawing of the Convers deck with--cats, obviously. But to return to the point I love the Tarot of Prague and look forward to the new edition and the Cats! Robin

Jewel-ry	15 Jul 2004
Hey everyone, Don't forget we have a study forum of our very own. Please feel free to add anything to any of the posts or begin your own. :)

tao51	02 Aug 2004
that the second edition of has the same magic os the first edition. I have used my first edition heavily. When I received the second edition, I did my usually routine. I loved the Prudence card. I rarely took the first edition with me when I was reading at different locations other than my home. I have people ask for readings using the Tarot of Prague. It is a beautiful and insightful group of cards. Now that I have the second edition I may take it with me when I am reading at other places. (I am very close with my cards--especially the Tarot of Prague.--Tao

Thea Lynx	07 Aug 2004
I received my Taort of Prague deck a short time ago, in side the cover of the deck is says 0678/3500 limited edition 2003, but I don't know if this is the first or second edition. I ordered by deck through Amazon and it arrived with all wrapping intact. The sad news is that I have discovered that there are three cards missing - Queen of Wands, Ace of Cups, 2 of Cups. Also, there are two 10 of cups. I have written directly to baba-prague about this problem and wondered if anyone else had problems of this nature and how they were resolved. We don't live in a perfect world so stuff happens and we have to deal with it. This IS NOT a bash of the deck - it is gorgeous and I look forward to having it intact as soon as possible. But if this has happened a lot, there may be quality control issues that need to be addressed. Any comments? Thea

baba-prague	07 Aug 2004
I have emailed back but probably ought to address this publicly too as it's important. So - thus far we have had very little of this with Tarot of Prague. To my knowledge it has only happened on two or at the most three decks (sorry, edited to clarify, I mean two or three decks besides this one that I've just heard about) - which is pretty good going. But, collation is done by hand so if one person is having an off day or a temp worker is used, or anything like that, then it can happen of course. With Baroque Bohemian Cats we have had three decks so far where we have had to send out replacement cards - this is not too bad but a worse "hit rate" than Tarot of Prague. So we sat down last week and discussed it with the bookbinder and came up with an ingenious idea (we hope!) He is now weighing each deck with a set of micro-scales before packing. This would not prevent a card substitution of course, but it will catch missing cards. Also (okay, this may have been going a bit far, but anyway, it's what we mutually agreed) he has unpacked and weighed 1000 of the decks that were already packed - just to make sure. I think all this should more or less solve the problem, although the fact is that with cards it can never be 100% - cards can still stick to each other, or somehow be mixed up. I think it happens in just about all decks as it does get discussed here on AT quite often. The good news is that we always keep spares in stock, so can mail out any necessary replacements. Now, I should ask Tom if I should start a thread on this on "Creation" or if it's all too scary! Oh - and thanks for letting me know about this. We NEED to know, otherwise we can't take action.

Thea Lynx	07 Aug 2004
Well, As you may tell from the above, I have had one of the fastest responses on record from Karen at Baba Studio!!! I am wicked impressed!! ("wicked" is a Mainerism I have adopted since moving her a dozen years ago - usually it means "very, very, very, ultra" whatever it is being used to modify) Soon, my Tarot of Prague will be complete and I will be a very, very happy camper. So nice to know there are folks who really truly care both about their product and the people who use them. Bravo. Thea

fyreflye	07 Aug 2004
When I won a factory sealed copy of the Alchemical Tarot set recently from an eBay seller in the UK the Judgemrnt card turned out to be missing. The seller promptly replaced it at her own expense but clearly didn't believe any such thing could happen. It's interesting to hear that decks are collated by hand (I had envisioned a long assembly line consisting of 80 chutes feeding cards into a container as it rolled down the line :D) since that makes error even more likely - especially since such jobs will probably soon be outsourced to Indian piece workers at 10 cents per deck.

baba-prague	08 Aug 2004
Well, I can't speak for places like Carta Mundi, who probably do have the 80 chutes! But as far as I know many decks are still collated by hand - it's more usual than you might imagine. The Indian piece workers? Well, we are careful about such things (not that I'd mind using Indian piece workers if they were not exploited and they were not children). In fact we have used two firms locally now (we want to continue to use local firms where possible), and in both cases we go there ourselves (though for the recent firm only Alex went as it is out of town). We check out the conditions and actually meet the people who do the work so that there is a chance to get to know them as individuals (not just "workers") a bit. Of course the reality is that it is unskilled and part-time work so it isn't well paid. But here it also isn't exploitative - the pay is not that bad compared to the cost of living. By what we have seen the work is generally done by a mix of students getting vacation money, retired people supplementing pensions (pensions here tend to be very low) and recent - legal - immigrants, usually women with children who want to work part-time. The conditions are pleasant and chatty and in fact, don't give the impression of being terribly pressurised - by what we saw people were working quite slowly and there were things like on-site shower facilities and coffee-making equipment (as well as music playing). It isn't like some huge factory operation - think of somewhere with about a dozen people where even the "boss" does a fair bit of the manual work and you have got the rough picture. I'm not saying that it's an ideal career, far from it, but it is no sweatshop and in fact in comparison to average wages it is better paid than an equivalent job in the West (i.e. here it pays just about enough to live on if you had to make it your main job, in the West these very low-skilled jobs often don't pay anything like a living wage). We will always try to check out every stage of the operation in this way - it's vital I think.

Le_Corsair	08 Aug 2004
Quote: Originally posted by fyreflye When I won a factory sealed copy of the Alchemical Tarot set recently from an eBay seller in the UK the Judgemrnt card turned out to be missing. The seller promptly replaced it at her own expense but clearly didn't believe any such thing could happen. It's interesting to hear that decks are collated by hand (I had envisioned a long assembly line consisting of 80 chutes feeding cards into a container as it rolled down the line :D) since that makes error even more likely - especially since such jobs will probably soon be outsourced to Indian piece workers at 10 cents per deck. It's especially hard when a deck is OOP, then you just want to weep and gnash your teeth. I had it happen with a sealed copy of the Ravenswood Eastern Tarot. Bob :THERM

Emily	08 Aug 2004
I've worked on packing lines - not tarot cards but I did work packing hologram cards. These cards had about 100 cards to a set each one card different to make the set. It did just consist of about a dozen workers - working in teams to get these cards packed and sorted. It gave you a certain sense of pride when these cards were all packed and sorted and ready to go out :) - The year I did this job was the best of my working life - friendly people, no stress, and no pressure. Slightly off topic but reading the above threads took me back to my youth. :) Edited to add:- I also need to get a second copy of the Tarot of Prague so that I don't damage or overuse my first copy.

northsea	10 Aug 2004
Tarot of Prague is one of my favorites. Much of the symbolism is really outstanding, and I like to see a RWS-based deck where the authors really do understand the original RWS meanings, and convey them in their own way. The only thing I really didn't like is spending $40 to have one sent from Europe, then finding out a bit later that Amazon is selling it for $14.

baba-prague	10 Aug 2004
Well, we were not exactly thrilled to find that Amazon had discounted so much either - though of course it's good for people buying. It isn't something we have any control over - it's purely up to Amazon. However, the $14 is for the NEW second edition, not the first edition. The second edition has a recommended price of $20, so while it's still a good discount it ISN'T a discount from $40! The original first edition (with bookbinder cover) was set at a much higher price than the second edition - partly because we had very few of them as separate decks - and in fact sold out very fast. They also cost a lot to produce - and are not now possible to do again even at a higher price, so they should be very collectible. At one stage there were 100 of the first edition around in the US at the "second edition" pirces - but only 100 (I packed them myself!) This was to give the distributors something while waiting for the reprint. I did do a "heads up" on this here, as these 100 WERE an amazing bargain for anyone who got them - frankly we would never have sold them at that price if we hadn't needed to for our distribution agreement. Pricing is an on-going issue for small publishers like ourselves. When we began we didn't really imagine having distributors. Once we did, they insisted on certain prices. This means that the Baroque Bohemian Cats deck is set at "mass market" prices from day one. We do think this makes it a very good buy. Of course, as our print runs are comparatively small, this leaves us with tiny amounts of profit on each, so these prices are a risk. I would say that our decks and kits are quite a bargain right now, as they ARE small run decks at ordinary mass prices. I hope we'll be able to continue these sorts of prices - but no guarantees. We plan to do a few limited edition decks (well, two in fact). These will NOT be sold to places like Amazon - in other words the prices will be in our control - as limited edition decks are very expensive to produce and we really can't have Amazon running them as a "loss leader". Hope that helps to clarify - and thanks for the kind words about the deck. (btw, I have several times updated the Amazon information to say that the separate deck they are offering is second edition, but it does take Amazon a while to actually show this on their site).

northsea	10 Aug 2004
That's good to know, thanks for the info, Baba, and great deck!

baba-prague	10 Aug 2004
Thanks for that. We really do try hard to be fair with the pricing. I think from now on our decks will be a bit more predictably priced - a "mass market" version (though in our case a bit less mass than usual :-) ) and a limited edition version IF there seems to be a demand. (edited from a sudden attack of cold feet! I think we aren't quite ready to talk about the next project yet.)

cundi	13 Aug 2004
I've just received my Tarot of Prague (2nd edition) from yesasia.com today, so excited....... It's beautiful, breath-taking, but instead of two Death cards (as stated in the LWB), mine has only one Death, one Prudence and one Temperance. Is this the case for all 2nd edition?

Jewel-ry	13 Aug 2004
Yes, I think that is correct cundi. The first edition had two Death cards and the 2nd edition has just the one, with Prudence as a bonus. Isn't she beautiful? Enjoy! Please join us in the study forum, would love to hear your impressions. :)

baba-prague	13 Aug 2004
Yes, it's correct. In fact I think I must put a bit more information on the site soon - there is a lot I want to put up there, but the only issue has been time. In fact, I think we need something more about the Prudence card too (there is nothing about her in the book as it's the first edition book, although once we reprint all we can edit both book and LWB). Prudence definitely wanted to be in the deck. She is there in the Seven of Pentacles (looking down from a corner) urging the main figure to be a little more prudent and a little less dreamy perhaps? However, I have a feeling that gradually she will become a valid part of reading with the deck. I'v said before that we have a certain belief in going with serendipity - we just had a feeling that the fact that we had collected quite a range of beautiful Prudence images from around Prague was telling us something :-)

cundi	13 Aug 2004
Initially, I want to buy the set, but yesasia.com is not offering it...... I'm eager to use this deck, I'll try to have a read tonight. Also, looking forward to seeing more information on Prudence so I can add some notes on the LWB.

jema	13 Aug 2004
I am using this deck for my daily readings now. Yeah, I put the BBC deck away today. I have had the ToP close by and looked up the cards in the book and thought I would read the book first but felt I really wanted to dive right into this deck. It is beautiful and very easy to use. I will check out the forum-thread for it later this weekend.

tao51	13 Aug 2004
Tarot of Prague is easy to use. It does compel the reader to look deeper. It is one of my decks that I use daily.--Tao

Thea Lynx	15 Aug 2004
My adventure with the Tarot of Prague has come to a most happy conclusion. Karen at Baba-studio shipped the missing cards to me & they arrived yesterday - I sent an email to her and the reply indicated this was a bit quicker that she thought they would get to me. She also included a large post card of the Two of Cups - my favorite card in any deck! So, what started out as a regretable situation with missing cards has turned into a very, very pleasant experience with Karen at baba-studio. I wish everyone else was as considerate of their customers as they are. Thea

purplelady	17 Sep 2004
And it was only $25.59 from overstock.com, my current favorite place to order books online. I am a bargain shopper! The set is beautiful! It is # 2473 of 3500, 1 st edition( The deck cover says of 3500 but the back of the set cover says 3000 printed!) I have to say the packaging is unique. The funny thing is they mailed it in a box that is like 3 times as large as the set!

Jewel-ry	18 Sep 2004
Thats great purple lady! We have a very good study forum on here, if you feel like contributing. Its still one of my favourite decks. I have the limited edition and the second edition now. I use the second and keep the limited safe and sound in its pretty little box :) Enjoy! ~

baba-prague	18 Sep 2004
The limited really IS totally unrepeatable because of the packaging apart from anything else. We actually got shouted at recently by the lady at Prague Castle as she loved the original packaging (and the deck is stocked at the Castle Shop) but there is no way we can repeat the "book with ribbons" packaging, for this or any other deck. Well, not without it costing a fortune. It's a shame in a way. Maybe we can do something a little like it for the See of Logos (32-card very limited edition deck we are working on with Rachel Pollack - but that's just sneaked in here, we aren't intending to talk about it much for a while) but basically, it's not going to happen again. It's a shame, but it took the poor bookbinder far longer than he expected. BUT - doesn't matter which version you have for the study group. In fact, some people prefer version two for reading (I use both). The colours in version two are arguably better - and the card stock is stronger - although it's interesting how people differ in their preference for one or the other. But now I feel a bit ashamed at still not writing anything coherent about Prudence for the website - though there is some really nice input in the study group. Once we are over the current mad print schedule I will add a page. Prudence deserves to have something serious said about her. I'm glad she made it into the deck on her own card (she is also in the Seven of Pentacles, but only in one small corner). _________ edited to add. By the way, there is no way we can match these prices at Amazon and places - the problem for us is the postage which would be high if we charged the real cost to most places (we pay about half usually). It is crazy, as I keep saying, but we can't match Amazon without actually losing money on each set. Oh well, at least it means people are getting the set at a fantastic price, which is good. In future we think we will do only "normal" prices (as for BBCats) and, if we do limited edition sets, we won't sell them via dsitributors, just via us at fixed price. That way we have a bit more control. But we don't mind the "normal" priced decks being discounted - in some ways that's just great for buyers.

WolfSpirit	18 Sep 2004
Big shops like amazon don't always distinguish properly between first or second editions, or maybe they don't realise it can be important. I wanted to order the 2nd edition ToP through amazon because I was already buying books there. The picture + description were both of the 2nd edition, but I still got a first edition. I already had one, but a deck like that you just can't return :) if I don't want to keep it it will make a special gift for someone some day. And I ended up buying the 2nd edition through Karen's website so I knew what I was getting :D

baba-prague	18 Sep 2004
I endlessly try to keep Amazon updated. Currently they have the wrong pictures for BBCats. Eight or so emails later I STILL haven't managed to get it corrected. I agree, it's very frustrating when you can't be sure. I am half-thinking of tryng to put information in the "about this product" bit, as that we CAN control (usually). Anyway, enough of Amazon moaning. They are very inexpensive, but I agree that it's better when you want to be specific to deal with the artist or with specialists like Tarot Garden, for the sake of a few dollars difference.

The 78th Fool	20 Sep 2004
With regard to the first and second editions of the Tarot of Prague I have both but I have to say I prefer reading with the second edition. I loved the back design on the first edition but changing the colours to blue on the second ed have made such a difference to me. Also the cards are slightly larger and more durable. That's fine as it means I can retire my first ed from everyday use and treat it with the care and respect it deserves as a collector's item of the future ! Chris. xx

Jewel-ry	20 Sep 2004
I agree with everything you said here, Chris. I much prefer the slightly larger size of the second edition and the colour of the back. I also think the deck has a silky finish which seems different to the first edition and makes it easier to shuffle. I really like some of the colour changes too. The King and Knight of Wands are gorgeous and are amongst my favourites now. I must admit, I had a lot of fun comparing the two decks :) ~

Emily	24 Sep 2004
I've just took delivery of the second edition and am very please with it too. I couldn't bring myself to use my first edition except to look through it, it felt too special but the second is larger and the cards do shuffle better. I haven't compared the two decks together yet but later on I might. It does feel like a different deck so I think this must be down to the colour changes and difference in card stock. :)

baba-prague	24 Sep 2004
You might enjoy Diane Wilkes' new review of the second edition. Oddly enough, she doesn't single out the same changes that most people do (the Knight of Cups is the one that usually divides people - the new colouring really does alter this card). But it's a really interesting assessment. I have to say that the new card stock is more robust - not that the original was bad (it was slightly heavier in fact) but it wasn't specifically made for playing cards, whereas the new stock is. This makes it more resistant to tearing and bending. Anyway, I'll let Diane's review do the talking! http://www.tarotpassages.com/prague2.htm

tinkerbell	14 Oct 2004
you know what? i really wanted to like this deck. i love the hermit and the chariot, and the 2 death cards but after looking through the deck, i have to say it's not for me. i think the minors are inferior to the majors( a pet hate of mine) and it just dosen't work for me. however, i can see how much work went into this deck and i think the actual presentation of the first edition is the best i have ever seen. just thought i'd add my two penneth worth as this deck has been so well received. love tink xx

baba-prague	14 Oct 2004
Well - it's honest of you to say this and all comments are appreciated. No deck is for everyone. In fact, we worried a bit about the fact that in many cases we spent longer on the Minors than the Majors - so at least as much work went into them - but it doesn't mean you have to like them! But we will never rush the Minors in favour of the Majors - if anything we tend to find the Minors more challenging so they get a lot of attention. Anyway, the next deck is an Oracle - so no Majors OR Minors! Thanks again for your comments - it's always good to hear honest feedback.

tinkerbell	14 Oct 2004
( tink hopes baba-prague is not too upset in light of her recent comments!) i am a real fan of oracle decks! when can we hope to hear more about the new project? if its afforded the same love and thought as the tarot of prague i'm sure it will be a winner! love tink xx

baba-prague	14 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by tinkerbell ( tink hopes baba-prague is not too upset in light of her recent comments!) i am a real fan of oracle decks! when can we hope to hear more about the new project? if its afforded the same love and thought as the tarot of prague i'm sure it will be a winner! love tink xx No - honestly not at all upset. I think I might be disturbed if everyone liked the deck equally :-) Also, I just think it's important to be honest - we can all do with hearing a variety of viewpoints, so it's great. Well, we haven't made a secret of the new project, but we also haven't really publicised it as it is very early days (we LITERALLY completed the first sketch today - but far too early to show). It is a project that is being done in collaboration with Rachel Pollack, and it's called "The See of Logos" - and all I can say is that it is very unusual and will probably arouse strong opinions - I don't think everyone will like it as it's not an easy deck at all (oh - I don't mean that people only like easy decks, but well - it's quite controversial.) It's very much Rachel expressing a lot of her experience, knowledge and humour. She wrote all the words and it's her concept - we are doing the images and visualisation (including unusual packaging). We are putting a lot of care into it - as you can imagine, it's quite wonderful to be working with Rachel and to begin with it was even a bit daunting to start - but she is great, very warm and friendly and easy to discuss the work with. So - watch this space! (well, not immediately I should add :-) )

Stregaverde	18 Oct 2004
Actually, deck and book kit (1st edition) directly from the source! baba-prague, this deck is truly amazing! The book is excellent, too! I ordered one from Amazon.com for a friend in the US, and she was raving over it as well. And although I'm not a collector-type, I am going to pick up another TOP deck (2nd ed) to read with, and keep this set pristine--it's just too lovely, and the presentation is fantastic. Thank you! Now goes off to unwrap and cackle delightedly over the BBC kit and deck that also arrived...

faunabay	18 Oct 2004
For those of you who have the BBC deck as well as the TOP - how do they compare? **Of course Karen I'd love to hear your opinions too. LOL Anyway I have the BBC deck and absolutely love it!! So much so that I'm thinking about getting the TOP too. The BBC deck has loads of personality from the different cats, their body language and facial expressions. It just speaks to me soooo well in readings. My hesitation with the TOP is I've never been able to connect with "statue" decks. For example I loved the artwork on the Tarot de Paris but could never read with it - too cold and no movement. IMO So from past experiences I'm not sure how I'd get on with the TOP. I guess I'm trying to get some opinions from you who have both.

baba-prague	18 Oct 2004
I'm not ignoring the question but I am going to stay out of this one for now and let others speak. I will of course add my bit later if it's useful - but it will be from a creator's point of view perhaps more than a users (although of course we use both decks) and I think what you need is a range of honest user perspectives :-)

Stregaverde	18 Oct 2004
Well, I just got both decks today, so I haven't been able to look at them in-depth yet, but they have totally different feels. I'm a cat person, and I don't know if that is what made me connect instantly with the Baroque Bohemian cats--their facial expressions add a great deal to the meaning of the cards to me, as does the 'Cat Interpretation' part in the book. As the statues seem more static, the cards don't communicate the same way, but they are still tremendously evocative and do speak--they are not like other 'statue' decks that I've seen. Heck, this deck has more to say than many 'people' decks! TOP is gorgeous, I love it and am delighted that I bought it, but so far I feel drawn to and prefer the BBC. However, I think that the TOP is a fantastic deck in it's own right, and I'd highly recommend it.

The 78th Fool	18 Oct 2004
I don't think it's easy or possible to make a true comparison. I lean towards the Tarot of Prague because I prefer it's more mainstream appeal. However, both decks are real masterpieces in their own way and any comparisons, my own included are bound to be subjective. Chris. xx

ambermoon	19 Oct 2004
It is hard to compare. The similarities are the richly saturated colors, and the layers of images and meanings. The ToP is a little harder for me to read. The readings come out well, but I am a lot more tired after a reading than I am with the BBC. I think the wide range of styles in the ToP makes me work harder, I have to connect with each card in a separate and different way. The cards are so active, and so bursting with imagery that they leave me feeling like a tired and overwhelmed tourist at the end of the day. These cards 'talk' incessantly. Now with the BBC, I know where I stand. Their world is more unified; their circle is smaller. I can easily walk into any one of the cards (as a sleek Abyssinian in an aqua gown) and be at home. I was raised by my family's cats, and they were more loving and more scolding than any nanny I've met. So, it's easy for me to connect with this deck. These are quiet cards, speaking in the subtle nuances and gestures of cats.

faunabay	21 Oct 2004
Thank you all for your comments. You've helped alot. I'm glad to hear Stregaverde and ambermoon say that the TOP does speak. - Most other "statue" decks didn't, at least to me. :) So it's nice to hear someone say this one does. Stregaverde, it's funny to hear you say it doesn't stop talking. LOL And 78th Fool - I completely understand and agree with you that the two are hard to compare. That's why I'm asking for someone else's opinions. LOL I'd still love to hear from others but I'm leaning more towards trying the TOP now. :*

baba-prague	21 Oct 2004
One reason that Tarot of Prague may feel a little different from other decks that use statues is that very often we redrew the faces or in fact superimposed the faces of real people on to the statues. I know that this isn't obvious - we really wanted it to be subtle and so we drew carefully and blended it in thoroughly.The aim was to give a "life" to some of the faces where we felt that otherwise it might have been missing. The Queen of Cups and the Page of Swords are good examples - and in these cards I think you can clearly see that the faces are of real girls (interestingly, both in real life are ballet students) rather than the colder ones of the original statues. I'm not saying that this approach is "better" - but it's just different and may account for the different feel of the deck. http://www.tarotofprague.com/examples/p_sw_close.jpg http://www.tarotofprague.com/examples/q_cups_face.jpg (sorry, Queen of Cups is a bit small) ___ edited to add - and THANK-YOU for the kind comments on both decks, it really is lovely to hear and both Alex and I appreciate it.

faunabay	21 Oct 2004
Oh Oh Oh!! Now you've done it Karen! :D See that was what I didn't like about other 'statue' decks. There was no expression, no movement to them. And now you tell me there is some humanity to these and point it out I can see the "faces" are much more human in your two examples. Time to start saving up the money. LOL

WolfSpirit	21 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by baba-prague One reason that Tarot of Prague may feel a little different from other decks that use statues is that very often we redrew the faces or in fact superimposed the faces of real people on to the statues. Ah yes now that you mention it :) The faces do look very human. This is just so cool - I am sure it makes a huge difference though it is not very obvious if you don't know.

Gardener	21 Oct 2004
Ah Karen, this story you just told about the faces has brought me great delight. Last spring I did a reading for a friend using the Tarot of Prague, and Page of Swords came up in the reading. I'm still (like many here) struggling with the courts, I tend to say something like, Is there someone in your life who is young and talks too much? But with this one, I asked my friend to take a close look at the card (this is something I do with Tarot of Prague more than any other deck when I read for other people, and I've found it amazingly insightful.) While he looked, I mentioned some of the usual Page of Swords attributes (pushy, energetic, intellectual), but he wasn't really listening. He studied the card and said she was his friend Anne, who kicks him in the butt and tells him to stop stalling and go to theater auditions. She motivates him, and I think he realized how important a friend she was to him partly because of how this card came up in the reading we did. Here's the letter I wrote him today after reading your post: You know how we call Anne your "Page of Swords"? I don't know if you remember, but it came up in a tarot card reading I did for you using one of my favorite decks OTHER than the Blue Rose. It's called the Tarot of Prague, by the same people who made the Cat tarot I gave you a few months ago. I was on the tarot boards today, and the creater of those decks was addressing a question about decks using statues instead of paintings or photos of real people. Some people were worried that statues generally were too cold and abstract, so they couldn't relate to the images. Karen wrote that when they were making Tarot of Prague, over the photos of the statues they sometimes drew better faces in PhotoShop or superimposed photos of read people. The example she used was the Page of Swords! She is a real life ballerina in Prague who they asked to photograph for the deck. When I look at the card, I can see it so clearly I don't know how I didn't notice before! I don't know if this seems magical to you, but somehow I feel like it's important that we saw in that card something that made us think of Anne and how she is a special person in your life, the "kick-you-in-the-butt" person who helps remind you that you love acting and adventure. If the tarot card hadn't been so beautiful, suffused with the presence of that Czech ballerina, we might not have realized that Anne belongs in your life. It gave me pleasure to make that connection, imaginary but real, if you know what I mean, so I'm sending the thought your way. [end letter] Thanks Karen, for telling us about this small but wonderful detail. It's great to find out more of why I love this deck so much!

baba-prague	22 Oct 2004
Hi Gardener, That's a wonderful story. I'll remember this - it's actually very touching, especially if you have met this girl, who is somehow very serious and slightly anxious when she dances (beautifully) - her character is part of the card. I'll just also say that we adore the elderly Russian ballet tutor here who teaches these girls. Her work is extraordinary - she is a totally dedicated person and terribly inspiring. In her time she was quite a famous artist in Russia. She once danced on the deck of an aircraft carrier (classical ballet) to entertain the troops - can you imagine?!! We sometimes do photographs for her as a contribution to the work. She was very happy with the way that some of the faces were used in the deck, so the whole thing fitted together. In terms of reading, well we had something a little similar happen a couple of times. One was very striking. Someone asked us about a relationship problem (I say "us" as the querent was Russian, and in that case Alex and I often both take part in a reading - my Russian language is very basic) and two cards came up that in fact showed very similar faces. I had never noticed before that they were similar (Nine of Pentacles and Five of Pentacles if you are interested). It was very much like seeing the same woman, but in very different circumstances - in one image, she is prosperous and happy, in the other, she is abandoned and desolate. This was very appropriate to the reading, and in fact, in the positions in which these cards came up, gave quite a startlingly accurate reading. We didn't always superimpose faces - but we did very often do work on the faces if we wanted them to be more human. Alex ended up calling them our "living statues" - which was nice, as in fact there is a belief here that on some nights the statues on Charles Bridge come to life and chat to one another!

Terrie	09 Nov 2004
Keren, my Tarot of Prague kit finally arrived after a long delay from Amazon.com. Actually I now have two TOP kits because I waited so long for Amazon that I feared the kits were out of stock, so I ordered another kit from an Amazon marketplace shop. What can I say about this deck? It's incredibly beautiful from the stunning outer box to the beautiful book and card case to each individual card that is like its own little painting. I've started to read the book right from the beginning and loved the history/myths, and am looking forward to learning how each card relates to the city's art and architecture. I love the color and design of the card backs too and how the cards combine soft subtle colors with brighter hues. I can understand why so many don't want to do readings with these cards. Each card is a work of art in itself. I don't think a more beautiful Tarot deck will ever be designed. It was definitely a good idea to have a second edition designed for readings. The scans on the internet are good, but don't do justice to the colors and feel of the cards. I haven't decided what to do with the second kit, which is still sealed. I may take it to one of our local occult/book stores to see if someone would like to buy it. I don't like to be selfish and hold on to two of the original kits, though I expect their value will skyrocket over time. My Amazon kit was around $26 with no postage. The marketplace deck came to around $33 with postage. Don't these people know the value of the work of art they're selling? These low prices are totally crazy. Thank you, Karen, for a truly wonderful book and deck. Terrie

baba-prague	10 Nov 2004
Right from the beginning we did try to keep down the cost. But it's just good that Amazon give such a discount - we have no control over that, but I'm glad that they can do it and give people such a bargain. The original deck is a total one-off as we can never again really do something so un-standard (well, not at anything like that price - See of Logos will be partly hand-made too, but it will be very limited and has to be a much higher price). Right now it's especially great to hear how much you like the deck. Making it was - as Alex was talking about last night - an oddly obsessional and at times almost dream-like experience. I know that may sound silly, but it's really the way it felt - it became very emotional and intense at some points. I don't think we thought of much else for a year. I talked to Rachel last night and she had some very interesting things to say about the deck and about certain cards. I won't quote her - not sure it's really right to do that - but she made me think again a lot. There is a great deal of Prague in the deck (of course) and Prague itself has absorbed a great deal. The city is very beautiful - that goes without saying - but also full of symbolism from many different times. We always find it interesting to see how some visitors see the symbolism and others don't. It's like the deck itself, I don't think it connects with everyone - but when it does, it can be quite powerful. Enjoy it please!

Gardener	10 Nov 2004
Hello Terrie and welcome to the wonderful world of the Tarot of Prague. As you say, it is the most beautiful deck ever made. Whatever you do, don't let go of your second copy! That first edition is going to be valuable, yes, but that's not the point. It's not about being a collector, not with this deck. The cards of this edition are a little more fragile than the second edition, but they are sooooooooooooo much nicer to use. Yes, yes, I know others disagree, preferring the sturdier and slicker cards, but these first edition cards have the most wonderful feel in the hands. Talk about yummy! So you need that second set as backup, cards to keep in wonderful pristine condition. Or, it's just possible that someday you will meet someone who absolutely needs to have the deck. That's what I'm keeping my backup set for, I know that someday a friend of mine will see the deck and connect to it, and I'll be able to give it to them. So hang on it!

Gardener	10 Nov 2004
PS Karen, aw, c'mon, give us a *hint* about what Rachel said!!! We're dying of curiosity!!!! Nobody will think it's promotional or anything. I'd just love to know what she saw. How about just one of the cards? *wheedle, wheedle*

baba-prague	10 Nov 2004
You know, Alex prefers the first edition cardstock too in some ways (though he is very happy with the image changes in the second edition) - there I said it! But it IS a bit less robust - and when we asked, most people did want something more standard. The second edition is on expensive stock that we have to order months in advance, so I'm not knocking it, objectively it IS better quality, but well, maybe Alex and I will always be attached to the first edition. It's understandable I suppose? Rachel? It isn't that I think it would seem promotional, it's just that well, it was a conversation, not a public thing and so I don't think I can say much without it seeming a bit rude. But it's probably okay to say that she talked about The Magician and the Eight of Wands among other cards. Now if you want to know what she thinks - you'll have to ask her! :-) I'm just hugely happy to know that she uses the deck - and of course simply to be working with her is great.

Terrie	10 Nov 2004
Gardener wrote: Hello Terrie and welcome to the wonderful world of the Tarot of Prague. As you say, it is the most beautiful deck ever made. Whatever you do, don't let go of your second copy! That first edition is going to be valuable, yes, but that's not the point. It's not about being a collector, not with this deck. The cards of this edition are a little more fragile than the second edition, but they are sooooooooooooo much nicer to use...Or, it's just possible that someday you will meet someone who absolutely needs to have the deck. That's what I'm keeping my backup set for, I know that someday a friend of mine will see the deck and connect to it, and I'll be able to give it to them. So hang on it! Gardener, thanks for the advice! I must say it doesn't take much convincing to hold on to the second set. It is so fantastic and so special. I have a degree in art so I probably appreciate the artistic work even more than others do. And maybe someday I'll meet someone who is dying to have the set long after it's been sold out and costs $$$ on ebay. I haven't seen the second edition, but can't imagine how it can match the special feeling of the first deck. It gives me a feeling of peace and happiness just to hold each card. Once a few years ago I really wanted a beautiful book on the constellations for some research I was doing, but the price had gone up to a collectors' price: $250! There was no way I could buy that book, but an internet friend insisted on gifting me with the book. I hope I can do the same for someone some day. Thanks again! Terrie

Terrie	10 Nov 2004
baba-prague wrote: ...Making [the deck] was - as Alex was talking about last night - an oddly obsessional and at times almost dream-like experience. I know that may sound silly, but it's really the way it felt - it became very emotional and intense at some points... I don't think it sounds silly at all. Any great work of art or actually any great creation of anything has to be something like an obsession, even dream-like, being carried on a wave, because that's where real inspiration comes from. Total concentration, the creator almost becoming the work, the music or the art. The inspiration shows in the ToP as real beauty and sort of a mystical aura. just think--before computers these cards wouldn't have been possible. I smile to think of how amazed some of the early deck artists like Pamala Coleman Smith would be if they could see today's cards. Terrie

The 78th Fool	11 Nov 2004
baba-prague wrote: Right now it's especially great to hear how much you like the deck. Making it was - as Alex was talking about last night - an oddly obsessional and at times almost dream-like experience. I know that may sound silly, but it's really the way it felt - it became very emotional and intense at some points. I don't think we thought of much else for a year. ! I would just like to second this - It's not silly and I don't think it's out of the ordinary either. People who create tarot decks usually do so as a labour of love. There's certainly no great money to be made and the process of publication in whatever form is a total headache! However, speaking for myself as the creator of a tarot deck, I embarked on my project primarily as a result of my own passion for the cards and only secondarily for commercial reasons. Like Karen and Alex I found the whole process to be intense, thrilling, sometimes heart - breaking but always fulfilling. One of the most exciting moments of my life was watching the proofs roll out of the laser printer and laminator for the very first time. My particular project constituted eighteen months of this rollercoaster and indeed, you do think of nothing else during that time. My greatest excitement at the moment is the fact that the rollercoaster is about to start up all over again! Having crossed paths with the most wonderful artistic collaborator I could ever have wished for we are about to embark on the writing of the accompanying book in December. This, as a solo project on my part had stalled so I'm overjoyed to have really fresh imput. Would I go through all of this again? Karen and Alex obviously would and I would too! Chris. xx

Terrie	11 Nov 2004
Chris, My blessings for a wonderful inspirational ride! Terrie

baba-prague	11 Nov 2004
The 78th Fool wrote: Would I go through all of this again? Karen and Alex obviously would and I would too! Chris. xx Chris - that made me grin, I must say. Yes, it's one of those things where you SWEAR you'll never do it again, but then you gradually forget the way in takes over your life completely (and totally!) and suddenly, you find yourself designing another card - or writing about cards. I'm glad you're back into the work again - and look forward to seeing the results. We aren't planning to do another tarot for quite some time though as we're absorbed in the work with Rachel Pollack (you might loosely call it an Oracle deck, but in fact it isn't a classic Oracle) and in some books. I think in any case we need to spend time with the two decks we've done right now. I find that when you use a deck you've designed, you begin to see it a whole new way - and that's really valuable.

Waterdancer	17 Nov 2004
I just received my Tarot of Prague set from Amazon. I was expecting the Second Edition considering that is what they advertized and the heavily discounted price. Instead I got the First Edition, No. 2291. All I can think is that Amazon doesn't know the difference and is just grabbing them at random. I am now tempted to get a set of the Second Edition cards to do readings with.

baba-prague	18 Nov 2004
LOL! I'm sure Amazon don't really know the difference. The SETS are all still first edition, but the decks alone should all be second edition - we ran out of first edition decks months ago (which one shop here was really cross about - but we had to explain that the whole point of a limited edition is that you don't repeat it!). If you got a deck alone from Amazon and it was first edition, then you've been lucky - and I agree, they must have just thrown them all in together or something. Originally Amazon only got about 60 first edition decks alone - and then no more as we had none - so they may have muddled them all up once the second edition arrived? Oh well, it's fate then! We've just heard that the sets are now selling really well in shops in the UK (we got proper distributors recently - it's so nice to see the set getting into shops at last) so they are going down quite fast now. We may or may not do a second edition SET at some point - but if so, not for ages as there is a lot in the pipeline for next year.

Terrie	18 Nov 2004
baba-prague wrote: ...If you got a deck alone from Amazon and it was first edition, then you've been lucky - and I agree, they must have just thrown them all in together or something... Amazon.com is a huge, huge operation with shipping centers and probably suppliers all over the country. It took Amazon forever to ship my set, so I assume that Center 1 didn't have it, so a memo went down the line until it got to a location that had the set. It would probably boggle our minds if we knew the number of articles, books and personnel that Amazon has. I'm amazed that no matter what I type into Amazon's 'search,' usually something will come up, even it it's a long out-of-print book that might be available in the Marketplace. Terrie

TemperanceAngel	20 Nov 2004
I just ordered the last one from Amazon, thank goodness I read this thread! I have wanted the deck forever and prints of a couple of cards....can't wait.

baba-prague	20 Nov 2004
It won't be the last one forever I think (I hope!). Amazon tend to do this "one only left" when they run out at the warehouse, but there will be some sets into next year. It' s just impossible to tell how fast Amazon will restock though - as has been said, they are such a huge corporation. I'm glad you are enjoying the deck. I think it gets better over time too - well, I've found I read with it better now than last year.

Emily	20 Nov 2004
I'm really enjoying my second edition - I don't think I've ever read with the first edition, I never wanted to risk spoiling it so when I had the second deck it was like looking through it for the first time. :)

TemperanceAngel	20 Nov 2004
baba you are right, I got the last one in stock, but they will be getting more in! The thing for me is that if I decide to FINALLY buy something and then it's out of stock, well I am not going to be very happy at all...

zagone	25 Nov 2004
I see everyone raving about the high quality of the artwork in the cards. Don't forget the posters available directly through the Tarot of Prague website! I can vouch that they turn out really, really well! All of the cards are available. Those of us in the backwater USA use different framing sizes than Europe, so be prepared to get creative with finding a way to frame the prints. It's worth it. It's possibly too late for the holidays, but you can always give an IOU card of what's coming in the mail with a little picture of it printed off the web. These would be great and unique gifts for any Tarotholics out there. -- Zagone

baba-prague	28 Nov 2004
Many thanks for the kind words about the prints. I hadn't even thought about ready-made framing sizes - but if it's a problem for anyone we could always size specially. Someone wrote to me last week to ask about holiday specials so Alex and I think we should do something. Just not sure what! We hadn't quite realised the season is approaching so fast :-)

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